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Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan

2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy

combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military

base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than

twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed

military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. Bagram has received just

a fraction of the world attention paid to Guantanamo, but the two

facilities have prompted very similar complaints about prisoners

held incommunicado for weeks or months, the lack of recourse to any

system of legal redress, and persistent reports of prisoner

mistreatment that many human rights campaigners have characterised

as torture.

"His blood rose and he asked the occupying soldiers to stop beating

the woman," they said in the statement. "Their answer through the

translator was:

'We will do what we want.' So he opened fire on them." Killer of

U.S. Soldiers Becomes a Hero By Ali al-Fadhily and Dahr Jamail 07

Jan 2008 On Dec. 26, an Iraqi soldier opened fire on U.S. soldiers

accompanying him during a joint military patrol in the northern

Iraqi city Mosul. He killed the U.S. captain and another sergeant,

and wounded three others, including an Iraqi interpreter. Conflicting

versions of the killing have arisen. Col. Hazim al-Juboory, uncle

of the attacker Kaissar Saady al-Juboory, told IPS that his nephew

at first watched the U.S. soldiers beat up an Iraqi woman. When he

asked them to stop, they refused, so he opened fire.

2 Fires in Hit Iraqi Refinery; 1 Dead 07 Jan 2008 Two fires broke

out Monday in Iraq's largest oil refinery in the northern town of

Beiji, killing one person and injuring nine, police and hospital

officials said. The U.S.

military said two separate fires broke out in the refinery in the

town 155 miles north of Baghdad due to a mechanical fault [?].

Fire destroys Iraq refinery's LPG unit - engineer 07 Jan 2008 Iraq's

largest oil refinery was continuing to operate on Monday despite a

fire that destroyed its liquified petroleum gas (LPG) unit, an

engineer at the facility told Reuters. The engineer at Baiji refinery,

who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the fire had stopped

spreading but firefighters were struggling to extinguish the blaze

and had asked for reinforcements.

Bush to push Turkey, Iraq on Kurd fighters 08 Jan 2008 US President

[sic] George W. Bush was to encourage Turkish President Abdullah

Gul Tuesday to work with Iraq on a "long-term political solution"

to clashes with Kurdish fighters, the White House said.

US almost opened fire on Iranian boats, Pentagon says 08 Jan 2008

The US and Iran have engaged in their most serious military

confrontation in recent times, with American warships on the verge

of opening fire on gunboats of the Revolutionary Guards which had

threatened to blow them up.

Iranian boats confront U.S. warships in Strait of Hormuz 07 Jan

2008 In a confrontation in the strategic Strait of Hormuz, five

armed Iranian boats approached three U.S. Navy warships in international

Iranian waters, taking aggressive actions in a brief weekend

confrontation described by the Pentagon as "reckless and dangerous."

2 Hornets crash in Persian Gulf, crews safe 07 Jan 2008 Two F/A-18

Super Hornet fighter jets from the carrier Harry S. Truman collided

in midair over the northern Persian Gulf on Monday afternoon. Rescue

teams saved the three aviators involved in the crash and safely

returned all three to the ship.

Mega barf alert! More than 10,000 police will guard Bush during

Israel visit 07 Jan 2008 Israeli officials in Jerusalem are to

deploy more than 10,000 police officers in a vast security operation

ahead of the arrival this week of George Bush, the first US president

to visit in a decade. Graffiti are being cleaned off walls, road

markings are being repainted and hundreds of American flags are

being put up across the city.

Discrimination recorded against Yemenis in Guantanamo Bay 08 Jan

2008 International human rights activists accuse the American

government of exercising discrimination against Yemenis by keeping

most of them incarcerated in the Guantanamo Bay prison while most

other foreign nationals have been returned to their respective home

countries. Of the 107 incarcerated Yemenis, only thirteen have been

returned.

Heathrow Terror Plot Extremist Jailed 08 Jan 2008 A man arrested

at Heathrow Airport has been jailed for four-and-a-half years after

he admitted planning to fly to Pakistan with the intention of

committing acts of terrorism. Sohail Qureshi admitted three charges

of preparing or commissioning terrorist acts, possessing articles

likely to be used in a terror act and possessing records likely to

be useful in terrorism.

ACLU rips plan to track R.I. students 07 Jan 2008 A tech company

with ties to a school district plans to test a tracking system by

putting computer chips on grade-schoolers' backpacks, an experiment

the ACLU ripped Monday as invasive and unnecessary. [Just destroy

the backpacks --problem solved!]

In the toilet: Bush convenes Plunge Protection Team 08 Jan 2008

Bears beware.

The New Deal of 2008 is in the works. The US Treasury is about to

shower households with rebate cheques to head off a full-blown

slump, and save the Bush p_residency. On Friday, Mr Bush convened

the so-called Plunge Protection Team for its first known meeting

in the Oval Office. The black arts unit - officially the President's

Working Group on Financial Markets - was created after the 1987

crash... The Plunge Protection Team - long kept secret - was last

mobilised to calm the markets after 9/11. It then went into hibernation

during the long boom.

US recession is already here, warns Merrill 07 Jan 2008 The US has

entered its first full-blown economic recession in 16 years, according

to investment bank Merrill Lynch. Merrill, itself one of Wall

Street's biggest casualties of the sub-prime crisis, is the first

major bank to declare that a recession in the world's biggest economy

is now underway.

Pending home sales sink 2.6% in November 08 Jan 2008 Sales contracts

on previously owned U.S. homes fell by 2.6% in November, a sign

that home sales will continue to decline. The pending home sales

index, based on contracts signed but not closed in November, fell

2.6% in November and was down 19.2% in the past year, the National

Association of Realtors reported Tuesday.

Baltimore Is Suing Bank Over Foreclosure Crisis 08 Jan 2008 Baltimores

mayor and City Council are suing Wells Fargo Bank, contending that

its lending practices discriminated against black borrowers and led

to a wave of foreclosures that has reduced city tax revenues and

increased its costs.

Bloomberg, Others Urge Bipartisanship --N.Y. Mayor, Former Lawmakers

Use Forum to Ask for Unified Government 08 Jan 2008 New York Mayor

[GOPervert] Michael R. Bloomberg, declaring once again that he is

"not a candidate" for the presidency, joined a bipartisan forum

Monday of mostly former elected officials seeking new ways to solve

Washington's partisan gridlock. [The Democrats are winning, so the

PentaPost urges 'bipartisanship!' The power-brokers who run the US

know that the people are starting to demand a curb of Bush-style

predatory capitalism, and they can't have that. Hence, the emergence

of the 'bipartisanship card.' That's code for surrender to Bush and

allowance for the corpora-terrorists to continue to plunder the

National Treasury. God only knows, we've had enough of that for

7 years. Eliminate the Bush dictatorship; gridlock will end. --LRP]

Obama widens lead over Clinton in New Hampshire 08 Jan 2008 Democrat

Barack Obama expanded his lead over Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire

to 13 points as voting began in the state's critical presidential

primary, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on

Tuesday.

Obama and McCain get early win in New Hampshire hamlet --GOP gets

7 votes;

Dems, 10 08 Jan 2008 Sen. Barack Obama won seven of the 10 votes

cast for Democrats in the first balloting of the New Hampshire

primary on Tuesday in the northern hamlet of Dixville Notch, while

Sen. John McCain won the Republican balloting.

Edwards burns the midnight oil 08 Jan 2008 Presidential candidates

often call on America to "wake up" but John Edwards is bringing

that message to voters literally. The couple launched a 36-hour bus

tour of New Hampshire that began on Sunday and ended in the early

hours of today - the day that polls open.

Huckabee vows to defy birthright citizenship 08 Jan 2008 Mike

Huckabee wants to amend the Constitution to prevent children born

in the U.S. to illegal aliens from automatically becoming American

citizens, according to his top immigration surrogate -- a radical

step no other major presidential candidate has embraced.

Court Stays Out of Mich. Abortion Case 07 Jan 2008 The Supreme Court

turned down efforts by Michigan and an anti-abortion group Monday

to revive the state's law banning the procedure opponents call

partial-birth abortion.

Scientists: Flu virus must pick lock before entering human 07 Jan

2008 U.S.

researchers found that flu viruses must be able to pick a very

specific type of lock before entering human respiratory cells, media

reports quoted researchers as saying Monday. [And Bush's bioterrorists

have the key.]

Groups cite oil leases in U.S. delay on rating polar bear's status

08 Jan 2008 Environmental groups fear that political meddling and

a rush to sell oil leases in Arctic waters are behind the Bush

administration's announcement Monday that it will miss a legal

deadline to determine whether to list the polar bear under the

Endangered Species Act. Climate scientists predict that floating

polar ice will disappear by midcentury, leaving the bear without

food and habitat. Two-thirds of the population could disappear by

2050, scientists say.

Polar Bear Fate Undecided --U.S. Agency Says It Will Miss Deadline

for Endangered Species Decision 07 Jan 2008 The head of the U.S.

Fish and Wildlife Service took responsibility Monday for missing a

deadline requiring a final decision on whether to give polar bears

federal protection under the Endangered Species Act. "Rather than

speed up protections for this iconic animal, the Bush administration

is speeding up its giveaway of polar bear habitat to big oil," said

Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., in a statement. Markey chairs the House

Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.

Decision on Listing Polar Bear Postponed 08 Jan 2008 Federal officials

said Monday that they will need a few more weeks to decide whether

polar bears need protection under the Endangered Species Act because

of global warming. The deadline was Wednesday, but the U.S. Fish

and Wildlife Service said it now hopes to provide a recommendation

to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne in time for a decision by him

within the next month. [Please sign NRDC's petition to add the polar

bear to the "threatened" list.]

Pittsburgh basking in 66 degrees in January 08 Jan 2008 According

to the National Weather Service, the high temperature for Pittsburgh

yesterday reached 66, shattering the old record of 63 set on Jan.

7, 1930, by an almost-balmy three degrees of separation. "And we'll

probably break the record again," said Roger Stairs, a meteorologist

with the weather service, which is forecasting highs in the mid-

to upper 60s today.

Rare winter tornadoes pop up in nation's midsection 08 Jan 2008 A

tornado was reported blowing across eastern Arkansas Tuesday, a day

after a freak cluster of January twisters sprung up in the unseasonably

warm Midwest and demolished houses, knocked a railroad locomotive

off its tracks and shuttered a courthouse.

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[Previous lead stories:] Al-Qaeda: bombs waiting for Bush visit 07

Jan 2008 An 'al Qaeda' member [Adam Pearlman] warned on a videotape

Sunday that U.S.

President [sic] George Bush's upcoming trip to the Middle East will

meet bombs and booby-traps instead of roses and applause, media

reported Monday.

U.S. says Iranian gunboats harassed warships --Officials describe

incident as a 'significant provocative act' 07 Jan 2008 Iranian

Revolutionary Guard gunboats harassed three U.S. Navy warships in

the Strait of Hormuz Sunday, in what the U.S. military officials

described as a "significant provocative act."

Military officials told NBC News Monday that two U.S. Navy destroyers

and one frigate were heading into the Persian Gulf through the

international Iranian waters of the Strait of Hormuz when five armed

"fast boats" of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard approached a high

speed, darting in and out of the formation. At one point a radio

message from one of the Iranian boats warned, "You are going to

blow up within minutes." [How can you 'harass' a (foreign) warship

in your own waters? Its existence in your waters is, in itself, a

provocation. --LRP]

Navy fighter jets crash in Persian Gulf 07 Jan 2008 Two U.S. Navy

fighter jets plunged into the Persian Gulf Monday, after what initial

reports suggest was a mid-air collision, a defense official said.

All three pilots ejected safely from the planes and were headed

back to the USS Harry Truman, the aircraft carrier they were operating

from, according to the official, who requested anonymity because

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cor <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote:

>

>

They're definitely trying harder!

"cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message

news:13obrdh4r0vlo0c@corp.supernews.com...

>

> Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan

> 2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy

> combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military

> base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than

> twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed

> military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

BOO FUKKING HOO! The bastards (terrorists) who have been captured should get

the same treatment they have given people like Paul Johnson. Geneva

convention? HA! The Geneva convention applies ONLY to people who have

accepted it and HONOR it! NOT to THUGS. For them there is NO Geneva

convention, what they sew so SHALL they reap! They want to shoot women in

the back of the head because they show too much ankle from under their

Burkas, or behead folks, they they MUST get the SAME. What ya send around

comes around. And PLEASE - jerkoff - do NOT try the lame shit that Bush

caused all of this. These people have been doing this for thousands of years

and Bush isn't quite THAT old. Now just go back to that rock at the insane

asylum you crawled out from underneath and STFU NUTJOB!

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:30:31 GMT, " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote:

>

>"cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message

>news:13obrdh4r0vlo0c@corp.supernews.com...

>>

>> Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan

>> 2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy

>> combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military

>> base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than

>> twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed

>> military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

>

>BOO FUKKING HOO! The bastards (terrorists) who have been captured should get

>the same treatment they have given people like Paul Johnson. Geneva

>convention? HA! The Geneva convention applies ONLY to people who have

>accepted it and HONOR it! NOT to THUGS. For them there is NO Geneva

>convention, what they sew so SHALL they reap! They want to shoot women in

>the back of the head because they show too much ankle from under their

>Burkas, or behead folks, they they MUST get the SAME. What ya send around

>comes around. And PLEASE - jerkoff - do NOT try the lame shit that Bush

>caused all of this. These people have been doing this for thousands of years

>and Bush isn't quite THAT old. Now just go back to that rock at the insane

>asylum you crawled out from underneath and STFU NUTJOB!

But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why

can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do

like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no

reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,

some of us anyway.

WB Yeats

<wbyeats@ireland.com> wrote in message

news:r24fo354a9io6deh5ct56rl01827g5r481@4ax.com...

>>> Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan

>>> 2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy

>>> combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military

>>> base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than

>>> twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed

>>> military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

>>

>>BOO FUKKING HOO! The bastards (terrorists) who have been captured should

>>get

>>the same treatment they have given people like Paul Johnson. Geneva

>>convention? HA! The Geneva convention applies ONLY to people who have

>>accepted it and HONOR it! NOT to THUGS. For them there is NO Geneva

>>convention, what they sew so SHALL they reap! They want to shoot women in

>>the back of the head because they show too much ankle from under their

>>Burkas, or behead folks, they they MUST get the SAME. What ya send around

>>comes around. And PLEASE - jerkoff - do NOT try the lame shit that Bush

>>caused all of this. These people have been doing this for thousands of

>>years

>>and Bush isn't quite THAT old. Now just go back to that rock at the insane

>>asylum you crawled out from underneath and STFU NUTJOB!

> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why

> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do

> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no

> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,

> some of us anyway.

Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

Sorry if you place yourself outside the rules of civilized conduct -

there you are. Choice was yours. "We're better than that?" That only makes

us DEAD! Bullshit on that! We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.

They want to fly an airplane into our skyscrapers? We should fly our B-2 to

their villages and drop a nuke on them. Problem solved! Kill 3,000 of us,

we kill 3 million of you. See how long those odds keep working fer ya!

Seems they are already running our of MARTYRS in Iraq. They ran out of

virgins LONG ago.

Better than WHAT?

" krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message

news:9Q0ij.7390$W73.4471@trnddc04...

>

>

> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.

The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters that say otherwise.

Mens sana.

Mens sana wrote:

> " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message

> news:9Q0ij.7390$W73.4471@trnddc04...

>

>> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.

>

> The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters

Go live in one you scumbag.

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:42:13 GMT, " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote:

>

><wbyeats@ireland.com> wrote in message

>news:r24fo354a9io6deh5ct56rl01827g5r481@4ax.com...

>>>> Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan

>>>> 2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy

>>>> combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military

>>>> base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than

>>>> twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed

>>>> military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

>>>

>>>BOO FUKKING HOO! The bastards (terrorists) who have been captured should

>>>get

>>>the same treatment they have given people like Paul Johnson. Geneva

>>>convention? HA! The Geneva convention applies ONLY to people who have

>>>accepted it and HONOR it! NOT to THUGS. For them there is NO Geneva

>>>convention, what they sew so SHALL they reap! They want to shoot women in

>>>the back of the head because they show too much ankle from under their

>>>Burkas, or behead folks, they they MUST get the SAME. What ya send around

>>>comes around. And PLEASE - jerkoff - do NOT try the lame shit that Bush

>>>caused all of this. These people have been doing this for thousands of

>>>years

>>>and Bush isn't quite THAT old. Now just go back to that rock at the insane

>>>asylum you crawled out from underneath and STFU NUTJOB!

>

>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why

>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do

>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no

>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,

>> some of us anyway.

>

>Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

A pox on both Islam and Xtianity. Exactly what has either of these

done for the poor? The disenfranchised? Peace? The founders of these

movements would be sick to observe what has happened to both.

"Convert or die?" Sounds like the Catholic Inquisition as much as the

war cry of Islam.

> Sorry if you place yourself outside the rules of civilized conduct -

>there you are. Choice was yours. "We're better than that?" That only makes

>us DEAD! Bullshit on that! We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.

>They want to fly an airplane into our skyscrapers? We should fly our B-2 to

>their villages and drop a nuke on them. Problem solved! Kill 3,000 of us,

>we kill 3 million of you. See how long those odds keep working fer ya!

>Seems they are already running our of MARTYRS in Iraq. They ran out of

>virgins LONG ago.

You espouse a jihadi type war against one of the world's major

religions. If one walks like a duck, etc; one is most likely a duck.

Why do you possibly feel you're any better than Mohammed Atta?

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves everybody blind and

hungry. Dumb, dumb, dumb!

>Better than WHAT?

Than you to start. Than blind vengeance for another.

WB Yeats

Watch our what you do with that gun, sonny. You'll shoot your eye out.

wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:42:13 GMT, " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote:

>

>> <wbyeats@ireland.com> wrote in message

>> news:r24fo354a9io6deh5ct56rl01827g5r481@4ax.com...

>>>>> Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan

>>>>> 2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy

>>>>> combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military

>>>>> base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than

>>>>> twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed

>>>>> military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

>>>> BOO FUKKING HOO! The bastards (terrorists) who have been captured should

>>>> get

>>>> the same treatment they have given people like Paul Johnson. Geneva

>>>> convention? HA! The Geneva convention applies ONLY to people who have

>>>> accepted it and HONOR it! NOT to THUGS. For them there is NO Geneva

>>>> convention, what they sew so SHALL they reap! They want to shoot women in

>>>> the back of the head because they show too much ankle from under their

>>>> Burkas, or behead folks, they they MUST get the SAME. What ya send around

>>>> comes around. And PLEASE - jerkoff - do NOT try the lame shit that Bush

>>>> caused all of this. These people have been doing this for thousands of

>>>> years

>>>> and Bush isn't quite THAT old. Now just go back to that rock at the insane

>>>> asylum you crawled out from underneath and STFU NUTJOB!

>>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why

>>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do

>>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no

>>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,

>>> some of us anyway.

>> Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

>

> A pox on both Islam and Xtianity.

A pox on foul scumsuckers like who can so swiftly lie to equate the two.

Islime chop heads.

Christians do not.

http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php

Since 9/11, the word "Jihad" has become a household word. Jihad

literally means "struggle" in Arabic. Among conservative Muslims, the

word has come to mean "holy war".

There are actually two kinds of Jihad. There is the Greater Jihad,

which is the inner struggle for sanctity. Then there is the Lesser

Jihad, or an actual fight against infidels, or non-Muslims. For our

purposes, we will discuss only the Lesser Jihad. After all, this is the

Jihad that has resulted in countless attacks against U.S. and Israeli

interests. The Muslim scripture - the Qur'an - refers to Jews and

Christians specifically as infidels. Therefore, it should be no

surprise that Israel and the U.S. (a nation at least founded as a

Christian nation) would be the primary targets of the Jihad.

Many would say that only "radical" Muslims espouse Jihad. If that is

so, then every Muslim who believes in the Qur'an must be radical. As

you shall see, the Qur'an specifically makes a case for waging Jihad

against infidels. The following are quotes from the Qur'an:

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power,

including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies

of Allah...Whatever ye spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto

you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly." (Surah 8:60)

"Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if

they were a solid cemented structure," (Surah 61:4).

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress

limits...191And slay them wherever ye catch them. and turn them out from

where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than slaughter;

But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they (first) fight you

there; But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those

who reject faith. 192 But if they cease, Allah is oft-forgiving, Most

Merciful. 193And fight them on until there is no more persecution. And

the religion becomes Allah's. But if they cease, Let there be no

hostility except to those who practice oppression" (Surah 2:190-193).

"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked

to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye

prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the

comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go

forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in

your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power

over all things. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous

penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the

least. For Allah hath power over all things," (Surah 9:38-39).

"For the unbelievers are to you open enemies" (Surah 4:101)

"Seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and in any case take no

friends or helpers from their ranks." (Surah 4:89)

"Then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,

beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."

(Surah 9:5)

As you can see, the commandment to wage a holy war against infidels

comes not from some radical Islamic cleric. It comes, in fact, from the

Islamic scripture! And while there are radical Muslim sects, one of

which thinks that Jihad should be the sixth Pillar of Islam, the

practice of Jihad is mainstream. For even more evidence, let's refer to

the Hadith. The Hadith are the quotes and actions of the Muslim prophet

Muhammad. They are often used in conjunction with the Qur'an to clarify

scripture. As you can see, Muhammad favored Holy War as well:

"The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in

Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah

and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or

booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed

in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my

followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and

I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive,

and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His

cause." Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35, Narrated Abu Huraira.

"Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira

added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy

battles), Hajj, and my duty to serve my mother, I would have loved to

die as a slave. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724: Narrated Abu Huraira.

"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees (the person who carries out

Jihad in His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but Jihad in His

Cause and the belief in His Word) that He will either admit him into

Paradise (Martyrdom) or return him with reward or booty he has earned to

his residence from where he went out." Volume 9, Book 93, Number 555:

Narrated Abu Huraira.

Why is it important to know this? Because every non-Muslim must realize

that according to Islam, you are an infidel. And to a faithful Muslim

who believes the Qur'an and faithfully executes his religious duties,

you are an enemy.

It's also important to know this, because fundamental Islamic nations

make war and fund terror based on the belief in Jihad. Many of these

nations outlaw not only Christian evangelizing, but also the very

practice of Christianity. People have been imprisoned and even

sentenced to death for being openly Christian. These people are

Christian martyrs, who contended for their faith and the cost of their

own earthly lives. What great rewards God must have for them in Heaven!

"Seal Harbor" <lion@rock.sea> wrote in message

news:Ii6ij.230228$uv7.211281@fe05.news.easynews.com...

> Mens sana wrote:

>> " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message

>> news:9Q0ij.7390$W73.4471@trnddc04...

>>

>>> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.

>>

>> The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters

>

> Go live in one you scumbag.

Is the poor little Merkin all upset at the truth?

The Viet Cong, a peasant army, kicked America's arse so badly that you had

to throw your helicopters into the sea in your panic to run away.

Mens sana.

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:57:03 -0000, "Mens sana" <Spambush@Area51.cia>

wrote:

>The Viet Cong, a peasant army, kicked America's arse so badly that you had

>to throw your helicopters into the sea in your panic to run away.

Well, no -- that's not what happened.

The photos of the helicopters you saw being thrown into or ditched

into the sea had been piloted by RVN personnel. Ours landed quite

nicely.

Mens sana wrote:

> "Seal Harbor" <lion@rock.sea> wrote in message

> news:Ii6ij.230228$uv7.211281@fe05.news.easynews.com...

>> Mens sana wrote:

>>> " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message

>>> news:9Q0ij.7390$W73.4471@trnddc04...

>>>

>>>> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.

>>> The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters

>> Go live in one you scumbag.

>

>

> Is the poor little Merkin

DIE YOU SCUM!

Mens sana wrote:

> "Seal Harbor" <lion@rock.sea> wrote in message

> news:Ii6ij.230228$uv7.211281@fe05.news.easynews.com...

>> Mens sana wrote:

>>> " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message

>>> news:9Q0ij.7390$W73.4471@trnddc04...

>>>

>>>> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.

>>> The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters

>> Go live in one you scumbag.

>

>

> Is the poor little Merkin all upset at the truth?

>

> The Viet Cong, a peasant army, kicked America's arse so badly that you had

> to throw your helicopters into the sea in your panic to run away.

>

> Mens sana.

>

>

>

DIE YOU SCUM!

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:52:10 GMT, Seal Harbor <lion@rock.sea> wrote:

>>>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why

>>>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do

>>>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no

>>>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,

>>>> some of us anyway.

>>> Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

>>

>> A pox on both Islam and Xtianity.

>

>

>A pox on foul scumsuckers like who can so swiftly lie to equate the two.

>

>Islime chop heads.

>

>Christians do not.

>

>http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php

>

>Since 9/11, the word "Jihad" has become a household word. Jihad

>literally means "struggle" in Arabic. Among conservative Muslims, the

>word has come to mean "holy war".

>

>There are actually two kinds of Jihad. There is the Greater Jihad,

>which is the inner struggle for sanctity. Then there is the Lesser

>Jihad, or an actual fight against infidels, or non-Muslims. For our

>purposes, we will discuss only the Lesser Jihad. After all, this is the

>Jihad that has resulted in countless attacks against U.S. and Israeli

>interests. The Muslim scripture - the Qur'an - refers to Jews and

>Christians specifically as infidels. Therefore, it should be no

>surprise that Israel and the U.S. (a nation at least founded as a

>Christian nation) would be the primary targets of the Jihad.

>

>Many would say that only "radical" Muslims espouse Jihad. If that is

>so, then every Muslim who believes in the Qur'an must be radical. As

>you shall see, the Qur'an specifically makes a case for waging Jihad

>against infidels. The following are quotes from the Qur'an:

>

>"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power,

>including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies

>of Allah...Whatever ye spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto

>you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly." (Surah 8:60)

>

>"Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if

>they were a solid cemented structure," (Surah 61:4).

>

>"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress

>limits...191And slay them wherever ye catch them. and turn them out from

>where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than slaughter;

>But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they (first) fight you

>there; But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those

>who reject faith. 192 But if they cease, Allah is oft-forgiving, Most

>Merciful. 193And fight them on until there is no more persecution. And

>the religion becomes Allah's. But if they cease, Let there be no

>hostility except to those who practice oppression" (Surah 2:190-193).

>

>"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked

>to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye

>prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the

>comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go

>forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in

>your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power

>over all things. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous

>penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the

>least. For Allah hath power over all things," (Surah 9:38-39).

>

>"For the unbelievers are to you open enemies" (Surah 4:101)

>

>"Seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and in any case take no

>friends or helpers from their ranks." (Surah 4:89)

>

>"Then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,

>beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."

>(Surah 9:5)

>

>As you can see, the commandment to wage a holy war against infidels

>comes not from some radical Islamic cleric. It comes, in fact, from the

>Islamic scripture! And while there are radical Muslim sects, one of

>which thinks that Jihad should be the sixth Pillar of Islam, the

>practice of Jihad is mainstream. For even more evidence, let's refer to

>the Hadith. The Hadith are the quotes and actions of the Muslim prophet

>Muhammad. They are often used in conjunction with the Qur'an to clarify

>scripture. As you can see, Muhammad favored Holy War as well:

>"The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in

>Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah

>and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or

>booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed

>in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my

>followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and

>I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive,

>and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His

>cause." Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35, Narrated Abu Huraira.

>"Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira

>added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy

>battles), Hajj, and my duty to serve my mother, I would have loved to

>die as a slave. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724: Narrated Abu Huraira.

>"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees (the person who carries out

>Jihad in His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but Jihad in His

>Cause and the belief in His Word) that He will either admit him into

>Paradise (Martyrdom) or return him with reward or booty he has earned to

>his residence from where he went out." Volume 9, Book 93, Number 555:

>Narrated Abu Huraira.

>

>Why is it important to know this? Because every non-Muslim must realize

>that according to Islam, you are an infidel. And to a faithful Muslim

>who believes the Qur'an and faithfully executes his religious duties,

>you are an enemy.

>

>It's also important to know this, because fundamental Islamic nations

>make war and fund terror based on the belief in Jihad. Many of these

>nations outlaw not only Christian evangelizing, but also the very

>practice of Christianity. People have been imprisoned and even

>sentenced to death for being openly Christian. These people are

>Christian martyrs, who contended for their faith and the cost of their

>own earthly lives. What great rewards God must have for them in Heaven!

It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of

innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said

"Don Homuth" <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote in message

news:ev3io3p02gcfuuodgad4mbt73g2nqvkoa5@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:57:03 -0000, "Mens sana" <Spambush@Area51.cia>

> wrote:

>

>

>>The Viet Cong, a peasant army, kicked America's arse so badly that you had

>>to throw your helicopters into the sea in your panic to run away.

>

> Well, no -- that's not what happened.

>

> The photos of the helicopters you saw being thrown into or ditched

> into the sea had been piloted by RVN personnel. Ours landed quite

> nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV7ccOdonCo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVO7obuT9e0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVDF2aQpYZc

Helicopters bearing US insignia ditching beside a US aircraft carrier or

being pushed off a US aircraft carrier by US military personnel. Helicopters

that had taken off from US territory carrying fleeing Americans, including

US Marines ("These colours don't run" LOL) and collaborators.

It was a rout. A first class arse kicking.

Mens sana.

Mens sana wrote:

> "Don Homuth" <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote in message

> news:ev3io3p02gcfuuodgad4mbt73g2nqvkoa5@4ax.com...

>

>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:57:03 -0000, "Mens sana" <Spambush@Area51.cia>

>>wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>>The Viet Cong, a peasant army, kicked America's arse so badly that you had

>>>to throw your helicopters into the sea in your panic to run away.

>>

>>Well, no -- that's not what happened.

>>

>>The photos of the helicopters you saw being thrown into or ditched

>>into the sea had been piloted by RVN personnel. Ours landed quite

>>nicely.

>

>

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV7ccOdonCo

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVO7obuT9e0

>

>

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVDF2aQpYZc

> Helicopters bearing US insignia ditching beside a US aircraft carrier or

> being pushed off a US aircraft carrier by US military personnel.

Silly goose. Those are NOT US insignia.

The South Vietnamese national insignia was identical to the US insignia

except being outlined in red rather than blue and the horizontal bars in

yellow rather than white.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/21/300px-T28-bienhoa1962.jpg

http://modelingmadness.com/WarplaneColors/34/33.jpg

Peace and justice,

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:13:53 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:52:10 GMT, Seal Harbor <lion@rock.sea> wrote:

>

>

>>>>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why

>>>>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do

>>>>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no

>>>>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,

>>>>> some of us anyway.

>>>> Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

>>>

>>> A pox on both Islam and Xtianity.

>>

>>

>>A pox on foul scumsuckers like who can so swiftly lie to equate the two.

>>

>>Islime chop heads.

>>

>>Christians do not.

>>

>>http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php

>>

>>Since 9/11, the word "Jihad" has become a household word. Jihad

>>literally means "struggle" in Arabic. Among conservative Muslims, the

>>word has come to mean "holy war".

>>

>>There are actually two kinds of Jihad. There is the Greater Jihad,

>>which is the inner struggle for sanctity. Then there is the Lesser

>>Jihad, or an actual fight against infidels, or non-Muslims. For our

>>purposes, we will discuss only the Lesser Jihad. After all, this is the

>>Jihad that has resulted in countless attacks against U.S. and Israeli

>>interests. The Muslim scripture - the Qur'an - refers to Jews and

>>Christians specifically as infidels. Therefore, it should be no

>>surprise that Israel and the U.S. (a nation at least founded as a

>>Christian nation) would be the primary targets of the Jihad.

>>

>>Many would say that only "radical" Muslims espouse Jihad. If that is

>>so, then every Muslim who believes in the Qur'an must be radical. As

>>you shall see, the Qur'an specifically makes a case for waging Jihad

>>against infidels. The following are quotes from the Qur'an:

>>

>>"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power,

>>including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies

>>of Allah...Whatever ye spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto

>>you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly." (Surah 8:60)

>>

>>"Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if

>>they were a solid cemented structure," (Surah 61:4).

>>

>>"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress

>>limits...191And slay them wherever ye catch them. and turn them out from

>>where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than slaughter;

>>But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they (first) fight you

>>there; But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those

>>who reject faith. 192 But if they cease, Allah is oft-forgiving, Most

>>Merciful. 193And fight them on until there is no more persecution. And

>>the religion becomes Allah's. But if they cease, Let there be no

>>hostility except to those who practice oppression" (Surah 2:190-193).

>>

>>"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked

>>to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye

>>prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the

>>comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go

>>forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in

>>your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power

>>over all things. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous

>>penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the

>>least. For Allah hath power over all things," (Surah 9:38-39).

>>

>>"For the unbelievers are to you open enemies" (Surah 4:101)

>>

>>"Seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and in any case take no

>>friends or helpers from their ranks." (Surah 4:89)

>>

>>"Then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,

>>beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."

>>(Surah 9:5)

>>

>>As you can see, the commandment to wage a holy war against infidels

>>comes not from some radical Islamic cleric. It comes, in fact, from the

>>Islamic scripture! And while there are radical Muslim sects, one of

>>which thinks that Jihad should be the sixth Pillar of Islam, the

>>practice of Jihad is mainstream. For even more evidence, let's refer to

>>the Hadith. The Hadith are the quotes and actions of the Muslim prophet

>>Muhammad. They are often used in conjunction with the Qur'an to clarify

>>scripture. As you can see, Muhammad favored Holy War as well:

>>"The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in

>>Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah

>>and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or

>>booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed

>>in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my

>>followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and

>>I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive,

>>and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His

>>cause." Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35, Narrated Abu Huraira.

>>"Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira

>>added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy

>>battles), Hajj, and my duty to serve my mother, I would have loved to

>>die as a slave. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724: Narrated Abu Huraira.

>>"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees (the person who carries out

>>Jihad in His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but Jihad in His

>>Cause and the belief in His Word) that He will either admit him into

>>Paradise (Martyrdom) or return him with reward or booty he has earned to

>>his residence from where he went out." Volume 9, Book 93, Number 555:

>>Narrated Abu Huraira.

>>

>>Why is it important to know this? Because every non-Muslim must realize

>>that according to Islam, you are an infidel. And to a faithful Muslim

>>who believes the Qur'an and faithfully executes his religious duties,

>>you are an enemy.

>>

>>It's also important to know this, because fundamental Islamic nations

>>make war and fund terror based on the belief in Jihad. Many of these

>>nations outlaw not only Christian evangelizing, but also the very

>>practice of Christianity. People have been imprisoned and even

>>sentenced to death for being openly Christian. These people are

>>Christian martyrs, who contended for their faith and the cost of their

>>own earthly lives. What great rewards God must have for them in Heaven!

>

>

>It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing

Cluebat!

Islime = headchopping TODAY...

Christianity = reformation = NO more head chopping.

HTH, you asshat!

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:34:33 -0000, "Mens sana" <Spambush@Area51.cia>

wrote:

>

>It was a rout.

DIE YOU SCUM!

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:25:11 -0800, Bill Shatzer

<bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote:

>Peace and justice,

>And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little

>adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure

>

>You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the

>economic injury incurred from that event.

>

>It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer

>another 9-11 every six or seven years.

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:36:03 GMT, tangential <ray@vector.it> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:13:53 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

>

>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:52:10 GMT, Seal Harbor <lion@rock.sea> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>>>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why

>>>>>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do

>>>>>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no

>>>>>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,

>>>>>> some of us anyway.

>>>>> Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

>>>>

>>>> A pox on both Islam and Xtianity.

>>>

>>>

>>>A pox on foul scumsuckers like who can so swiftly lie to equate the two.

>>>

>>>Islime chop heads.

>>>

>>>Christians do not.

>>>

>>>http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php

>>It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing

>

>

>Cluebat!

>

>Islime = headchopping TODAY...

>

>Christianity = reformation = NO more head chopping.

>

>HTH, you asshat!

Good job, Goober. Edit anything with which you don't agree and then

add some idiotic comment. Which religion do you feel has killed more

folks in history - Judaism, Christianity, or Islam. Hint: it's the one

in the middle. Just check your history. Secondly - religious hatred,

oppression, and violence ended with the Reformation? Again, check your

history. Can you say pogroms? Can you say Holocaust? Can you say

Bosnia? Thought not.

WB Yeats

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:06:01 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:36:03 GMT, tangential <ray@vector.it> wrote:

>

>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:13:53 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

>>

>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:52:10 GMT, Seal Harbor <lion@rock.sea> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>>>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why

>>>>>>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do

>>>>>>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no

>>>>>>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,

>>>>>>> some of us anyway.

>>>>>> Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

>>>>>

>>>>> A pox on both Islam and Xtianity.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>A pox on foul scumsuckers like who can so swiftly lie to equate the two.

>>>>

>>>>Islime chop heads.

>>>>

>>>>Christians do not.

>>>>

>>>>http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php

>

>>>It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing

>>

>>

>>Cluebat!

>>

>>Islime = headchopping TODAY...

>>

>>Christianity = reformation = NO more head chopping.

>>

>>HTH, you asshat!

>

>Good job, Goober. Edit anything with which you don't agree and then

>add some idiotic comment.

So how many heads have Christians chopped off this past year?

CITE!

>Which religion do you feel has killed more

>folks in history -

Does it matter?

I'd say what counts is who's chopping heads off NOW, declaring jehad,

and waging war on the West, wouldn't you???

You fucking insolent, traitorous, exterminable VERMIN!

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:37:15 GMT, tangential <ray@vector.it> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:06:01 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

>

>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:36:03 GMT, tangential <ray@vector.it> wrote:

>>

>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:13:53 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

>>>

>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:52:10 GMT, Seal Harbor <lion@rock.sea> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why

>>>>>>>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do

>>>>>>>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no

>>>>>>>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,

>>>>>>>> some of us anyway.

>>>>>>> Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> A pox on both Islam and Xtianity.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>A pox on foul scumsuckers like who can so swiftly lie to equate the two.

>>>>>

>>>>>Islime chop heads.

>>>>>

>>>>>Christians do not.

>>>>>

>>>>>http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php

>>

>>>>It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing

>>>

>>>

>>>Cluebat!

>>>

>>>Islime = headchopping TODAY...

>>>

>>>Christianity = reformation = NO more head chopping.

>>>

>>>HTH, you asshat!

>>

>>Good job, Goober. Edit anything with which you don't agree and then

>>add some idiotic comment.

>

>So how many heads have Christians chopped off this past year?

>

>CITE!

>

>>Which religion do you feel has killed more

>>folks in history -

>

>Does it matter?

Get some perspective, dolt.

>I'd say what counts is who's chopping heads off NOW, declaring jehad,

>and waging war on the West, wouldn't you???

>

>You fucking insolent, traitorous, exterminable VERMIN!

Coming from an ignorant cracker like yourself, that's a compliment.

The problem with uneducated dolts is that they have no sense of

historical perspective - it's more like hysterical perspective.

WB Yeats

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:00:19 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:37:15 GMT, tangential <ray@vector.it> wrote:

>

>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:06:01 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

>>

>>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:36:03 GMT, tangential <ray@vector.it> wrote:

>>>

>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:13:53 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:52:10 GMT, Seal Harbor <lion@rock.sea> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why

>>>>>>>>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do

>>>>>>>>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no

>>>>>>>>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,

>>>>>>>>> some of us anyway.

>>>>>>>> Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> A pox on both Islam and Xtianity.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>A pox on foul scumsuckers like who can so swiftly lie to equate the two.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Islime chop heads.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Christians do not.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php

>>>

>>>>>It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Cluebat!

>>>>

>>>>Islime = headchopping TODAY...

>>>>

>>>>Christianity = reformation = NO more head chopping.

>>>>

>>>>HTH, you asshat!

>>>

>>>Good job, Goober. Edit anything with which you don't agree and then

>>>add some idiotic comment.

>>

>>So how many heads have Christians chopped off this past year?

>>

>>CITE!

>>

>>>Which religion do you feel has killed more

>>>folks in history -

>>

>>Does it matter?

>

>Get some perspective, dolt.

Step into the PRESENT, DOLT!

>>I'd say what counts is who's chopping heads off NOW, declaring jehad,

>>and waging war on the West, wouldn't you???

>>

>>You fucking insolent, traitorous, exterminable VERMIN!

>

>Coming from an ignorant cracker

Fuck off and die muzzie scumbag!

"Mens sana" <Spambush@Area51.cia> wrote in message

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>> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.

>

> The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters that say otherwise.

Yeah - we lost 58,000 THEY buried 4 MILLION. They can HAVE the old

helicopters.

"Mens sana" <Spambush@Area51.cia> wrote in message

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>

> "Seal Harbor" <lion@rock.sea> wrote in message

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>> Mens sana wrote:

>>> " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message

>>> news:9Q0ij.7390$W73.4471@trnddc04...

>>>

>>>> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.

>>>

>>> The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters

>>

>> Go live in one you scumbag.

>

>

> Is the poor little Merkin all upset at the truth?

>

> The Viet Cong, a peasant army, kicked America's arse so badly that you had

> to throw your helicopters into the sea in your panic to run away.

Sorry weenie they never won even ONE engagement.

EXCEPT in the U.S. Congress.