WAR OF WORDS -- Barack Obama vs. Hillary Clinton

[blues517@hotmail.com]

<
QUOTING BARACK OBAMA:
<
"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania
and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have
been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them.
And they fell through the Clinton administration and the Bush
administration, and each successive administration has said
that somehow these communities are going to regenerate
and they have not. So it's not surprising, then, that they get
bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people
who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade
sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
<
(I'd say Obama really hit the nail on the head.)
<
==============
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QUOTING HILLARY CLINTON:
<
"You know, I'm going to start thanking the woman who
cleans the restroom in the building I work in. I'm going
o start thinking of her as a human being"
-Hillary Clinton (From the book "The Case Against Hillary
Clinton" by Peggy Noonan, p. 55)
<
"You f king idiot."
(From the book "Crossfire" p. 84 - Hillary Clinton to a State Trooper
who was driving her to an event.)
<
"If you want to remain on this detail, get your f king ass
over here and grab those bags!"
(From the book "The First Partner" p. 259 - Hillary Clinton
to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her
luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case
of an incident.)
<
"Get f ked! Get the f k out of my way!!! Get out of my face!!!"
From the book "Hillary's Scheme" p. 89 - Hillary's various comments to
her Secret Service detail agents.)
<
"Where is the G-damn f king flag? I want the G-damn f king flag up
every f king morning at f king sunrise."
(From the book "Inside The White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 244 -
hillary to the staff at the Arkansas Governor's mansion on Labor Day,
1991)
<
"You sold out, you mother f ker! You sold out!"
From the book "Inside" by Joseph Califano, p. 213 - Hillary yelling at
a Democrat lawyer.
<
"It's been said, and I think it's accurate, that my husband was
obsessed by terrorism in general and al-qaida in particular."
(Hillary telling a post-9/11 world what a 'great' commander in chief
her husband was; Dateline, NBC 4/16/2004.)
<
"I have to admit that a good deal of what my husband and I have
learned [about Islam] has come from our daughter."
(TruthInMedia.org 8/8/1999 - Hillary at a White House function,
proudly tells some Muslim groups she is gaining a greater appreciation
of Islam because Chelsea was then taking a class on the "religion of
peace")
<
"F k off! It's enough that I have to see you ****-kickers every
day,
I'm not going to talk to you too!! Just do your G damn job and keep
your mouth shut."
(From the book "American Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p. 90 -
Hillary to her State Trooper bodyguards after one of them greeted her
with "Good morning."
<
"Stay the f k back, stay the f k away from me! Don't come within 10
yards of me, or else! Just f king do as I say, Okay!!!?"
(From the book "Unlimited Access", by Clinton FBI Agent in Charge,
Gary Aldrige, p. 139 - Hillary screaming at her Secret Service
detail.)
<
"Many of you are well enough off that [President Bush's] tax cuts may
have helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track,
we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're
going to have to take things away from you on behalf of the common
good."
(Hillary grandstanding at a fund raising speech in San Francisco;
SFGate.com 6/28/2004.)
<
"Why do I have to keep proving to people that I am not a liar?!"
(From the book "The Survivor," by John Harris, p. 382 - Hillary in her
2000 Senate campaign)
<
"Where's the miserable c ck sucker?"
(From the book "The Truth About Hillary" by Edward Klein, p. 5 -
Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer)
<
"No matter what you think about the Iraq war, there is one thing we
can all agree on for the next days - we have to salute the courage and
bravery of those who are risking their lives to vote and those brave
Iraqi and American soldiers fighting to protect their right to vote".
(Was posted on Hillary Clinton's senate.gov <http://senate.gov>
web site on 1/28/05)
<
"Put this on the ground! I left my sunglasses in the limo . . . I
need those sunglasses. We need to go back!"
(From the book "Dereliction of Duty" p. 71-72 - Hillary to Marine One
helicopter pilot to turn back while en route to Air Force One.)
<
"A right-wing network was after his presidency...including perverting
the Constitution."
(To Barbara Walters about the Republicans who impeached her husband;
20/20, ABC 6/8/2003.)
<
"Son of a bitch."
(From the book "American Evita" by Christopher An , p. 259 -
Hillary's opinion of President George W. Bush when she found out he
secretly visited Iraq just days before her highly publicized trip to
Iraq)
<
"What are you doing inviting these people into my home? These people
are our enemies! They are trying to destroy us!"
(From the book "The Survivor" by John Harris, p. 99 - Hillary
screaming to an aide, when she found out that some Republicans had
been invited to the Clinton White House)
<
"I mean, you've got a conservative and rig ht-wing press presence with
really nothing on the other end of the political spectrum."
(C-Span, 1/19/1997 - Hillary complains about the mainstream media,
which are all conservatives in her opinion)
<
"Come on Bill, put your dick up! You can't f k her here!!"
(From the book "Inside The White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 243 -
Hillary to Gov. Clinton when she spots him talking with an attractive
female at an Arkansas political rally)
<
"You show people what you're willing to fight for when you fight your
friends."
(From the book "The Agenda" by Bob Woodward, ch. 14)
<
"We are at a stage in history in which remolding society is one of the
great challenges facing all of us in the West.
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p.
119 - During her 1993 commencement address at the University of
Texas)
<
"The only way to make a difference is to acquire power"
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas
D. Kuiper, p. 68 - Hillary to a friend before starting law school.)
<
"We just can't trust the American people to make those types
of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people."
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p.
20 - Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hastert in 1993 discussing her expensive,
disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan)
<
"I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe"
Hillary in 1996 From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by
Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 76 - published in 1996)
<
(Now THAT'S a mouthful.)
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[Bevchcgo@gmail.com]

On Apr 13, 4:31

 

[Patrick1765@aol.com]

So it's not surprising, then, that they get
bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people
who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade
sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
<
(I'd say Obama really hit the nail on the head.)
<

First of all, as a Presidential candidate.. he should know that people
are not frustrated over immigration, they are frustrated over ILLEGAL
immigration. But secondly, is he saying people turn to religion out
of frustration ? I thought he was a Christian himself.

 

[Bevchcgo@gmail.com]

On Apr 13, 1:03

 

[Bevchcgo@gmail.com]

On Apr 13, 1:09 pm, "Bevch...@gmail.com" <Bevch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 1:03 pm, Patrick1...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > So it's not surprising, then, that they get
> > bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people
> > who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade
> > sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
> > <
> > (I'd say Obama really hit the nail on the head.)
> > <
>
> > First of all, as a Presidential candidate.. he should know that people
> > are not frustrated over immigration, they are frustrated over ILLEGAL
> > immigration.   But secondly, is he saying people turn to religion out
> > of frustration ?   I thought he was a Christian himself.
>
> My understanding of what he said was that because these people feel
> the government is never there for them and doesn't care about them
> specificially, they are demoralized and "frustrated" with the
> government and therefore cling to their belief systems in religion and
> whatever their values are -- NRA, 2nd Amendment, watching Yankees
> games .... that make them feel better about who they are.  I
> personally agree with what he said 100%.
>
> There was nothing anti-Christian or anti-religion or anti-2nd
> Amendment in what he said.  He was talking about peoples' belief
> systems and it came out sounding like he was the Crown Royal of
> whiskey drinkers.  http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
>
> This will come up in tonight's CNN discussion.
>
> Bev

Posting in today's paper:

PA Small Town and Rural Leaders Reject Clinton and McCain Attacks



In open letter to fellow Pennsylvania voters, community leaders and
elected officials reject broken politics of the past, affirm that
Obama will fight for Pennsylvanians



PHILADELPHIA, PA�"Twenty-one elected officials and community leaders
from small towns and rural areas throughout Pennsylvania today
released an open letter asking fellow Pennsylvanians to set aside
Senators Clinton and McCain's recent attempts at political point-
scoring and consider who will fight for them as President.



"A few days ago, Sen. Obama made some comments that his opponents are
now using to make him appear as if he is something he is not. Instead
of speaking to us honestly about how they intend to solve the problems
we are facing, they are playing the same old Washington games that
accomplish nothing," the letter reads. "...The politicians who are
now saying that we shouldn't be frustrated are the ones who are out of
touch."



Citing a broken Washington politics that has allowed special interests
and Washington lobbyists to crowd out the voice of working Americans,
the authors praise Obama's commitment to fighting for every day people
and rejection the same old political games.



"Unlike his opponents who have been part of the Washington
establishment for decades, Barack Obama understands the struggles we
are going through," the letter concludes. "We welcomed him with open
arms as he made his way through small towns and rural areas on his
recent bus tour across the state. And we will work day and night from
now until the primary on his behalf not only because he has heard our
frustrations, but because he speaks to our hope that Washington can
actually work for people like us."



The full text of the letter is below:





Dear Fellow Pennsylvanian,



We live in small towns and rural areas throughout Pennsylvania and we
support Barack Obama for President.



A few days ago, Sen. Obama made some comments that his opponents are
now using to make him appear as if he is something he is not. Instead
of speaking to us honestly about how they intend to solve the problems
we are facing, they are playing the same old Washington games that
accomplish nothing.



What Sen. Obama said is that over the last 25-30 years, working class
people in places like Pennsylvania have been falling behind, and that
politicians in Washington haven't been looking out for them. He also
said that, as a result, many people have become frustrated, angry and
even bitter about all the broken promises.



He was right.



The politicians who are now saying that we shouldn't be frustrated are
the ones who are out of touch.



People in the towns and communities we live in have seen their jobs
shipped overseas. We've seen our pensions disappear. We've seen our
health care costs skyrocket. We've seen everything from the cost of
gasoline to a gallon of milk go through the roof.



As our families have struggled to make ends meet and our communities
fought to stay intact, how has Washington responded? By giving tax
breaks to the wealthy, rewarding corporations who ship jobs overseas,
and turning the levers of power over to the lobbyists and special
interests.



It's easy to feel a little frustrated when you see these Washington
politicians continue to ignore you. But it's not the only emotion we
feel. When someone comes along who is untainted by the system in
Washington , who doesn't take money from federal lobbyists or special
interests and who promises that things can be different, we feel
something else�"hope.



That's why we're supporting Barack Obama. Others have come along and
promised change, but failed to deliver. Sen. Obama is different than
the rest. He doesn't take money from the special interests, and he
speaks honestly about the issues we are facing.



In addition to supporting his plans for jobs, health care and
education, we believe that he can deliver on his promises to ensure
economic opportunity for family farmers, to provide support for rural
economic development, to promote renewable energy in rural America, to
protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to
purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and
target shooting, and to preserve open land for hunting and fishing.



Unlike his opponents who have been part of the Washington
establishment for decades, Barack Obama understands the struggles we
are going through. We welcomed him with open arms as he made his way
through small towns and rural areas on his recent bus tour across the
state. And we will work day and night from now until the primary on
his behalf not only because he has heard our frustrations, but because
he speaks to our hope that Washington can actually work for people
like us.



Sincerely,



Ted Alter, State College

Westmoreland County Commissioner Tom Bayla, Greensburg

Mayor John Brenner, York

Lloyd Casey, West Chester �" President, Pennsylvania Forestry
Association

Mayor John Fetterman, Braddock

Mayor Rick Gray, Lancaster

Scott Harrison, Warriors Mark

State Representative Bryan Lentz, Swarthmore

State Senator Sean Logan, Monroeville

Carl Majji, Claysville �" Corporal , U.S. Army

Mayor Thomas McMahon, Reading

State Senator Bob Mellow �" Pennsylvania Senate Democratic Leader

U.S. Representative Patrick Murphy, Doylestown �" U.S. Congressman
(PA-08)

Perry County Commissioner Steve Naylor, New Bloomfield

Lackawanna County Commissioner Corey O'Brien, Dunmore

Fran Rodriquez, Lancaster

State Representative Josh Shapiro, Abington �" Deputy Speaker,
Pennsylvania House of Representatives

Major General Walter Stewart, Berks County � " Former Commander, 28th
28th Infantry Division, Pennsylvania Army National Guard

State Representative Dan Surra, St. Marys

State Representative Thomas Tangretti, Greensburg

Lackawanna County Commissioner Michael Washo, Scranton



http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19480144&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=418218&rfi=6

 

[rawbylaw]

On Apr 13, 3:13 pm, "Bevch...@gmail.com" <Bevch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 1:09 pm, "Bevch...@gmail.com" <Bevch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 1:03 pm, Patrick1...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > So it's not surprising, then, that they get
> > > bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people
> > > who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade
> > > sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
> > > <
> > > (I'd say Obama really hit the nail on the head.)
> > > <
>
> > > First of all, as a Presidential candidate.. he should know that people
> > > are not frustrated over immigration, they are frustrated over ILLEGAL
> > > immigration.   But secondly, is he saying people turn to religion out
> > > of frustration ?   I thought he was a Christian himself.
>
> > My understanding of what he said was that because these people feel
> > the government is never there for them and doesn't care about them
> > specificially, they are demoralized and "frustrated" with the
> > government and therefore cling to their belief systems in religion and
> > whatever their values are -- NRA, 2nd Amendment, watching Yankees
> > games .... that make them feel better about who they are.  I
> > personally agree with what he said 100%.
>
> > There was nothing anti-Christian or anti-religion or anti-2nd
> > Amendment in what he said.  He was talking about peoples' belief
> > systems and it came out sounding like he was the Crown Royal of
> > whiskey drinkers.  http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
>
> > This will come up in tonight's CNN discussion.
>
> > Bev
>
> Posting in today's paper:
>
> PA Small Town and Rural Leaders Reject Clinton and McCain Attacks
>
> In open letter to fellow Pennsylvania voters, community leaders and
> elected officials reject broken politics of the past, affirm that
> Obama will fight for Pennsylvanians
>
> PHILADELPHIA, PA�"Twenty-one elected officials and community leaders
> from small towns and rural areas throughout Pennsylvania today
> released an open letter asking fellow Pennsylvanians to set aside
> Senators Clinton and McCain's recent attempts at political point-
> scoring and consider who will fight for them as President.
>
> "A few days ago, Sen. Obama made some comments that his opponents are
> now using to make him appear as if he is something he is not.  Instead
> of speaking to us honestly about how they intend to solve the problems
> we are facing, they are playing the same old Washington games that
> accomplish nothing," the letter reads.  "...The politicians who are
> now saying that we shouldn't be frustrated are the ones who are out of
> touch."
>
> Citing a broken Washington politics that has allowed special interests
> and Washington lobbyists to crowd out the voice of working Americans,
> the authors praise Obama's commitment to fighting for every day people
> and rejection the same old political games.
>
> "Unlike his opponents who have been part of the Washington
> establishment for decades, Barack Obama understands the struggles we
> are going through," the letter concludes.  "We welcomed him with open
> arms as he made his way through small towns and rural areas on his
> recent bus tour across the state.  And we will work day and night from
> now until the primary on his behalf not only because he has heard our
> frustrations, but because he speaks to our hope that Washington can
> actually work for people like us."
>
> The full text of the letter is below:
>
> Dear Fellow Pennsylvanian,
>
> We live in small towns and rural areas throughout Pennsylvania and we
> support Barack Obama for President.
>
> A few days ago, Sen. Obama made some comments that his opponents are
> now using to make him appear as if he is something he is not.  Instead
> of speaking to us honestly about how they intend to solve the problems
> we are facing, they are playing the same old Washington games that
> accomplish nothing.
>
> What Sen. Obama said is that over the last 25-30 years, working class
> people in places like Pennsylvania have been falling behind, and that
> politicians in Washington haven't been looking out for them.  He also
> said that, as a result, many people have become frustrated, angry and
> even bitter about all the broken promises.
>
> He was right.
>
> The politicians who are now saying that we shouldn't be frustrated are
> the ones who are out of touch.
>
> People in the towns and communities we live in have seen their jobs
> shipped overseas.  We've seen our pensions disappear.  We've seen our
> health care costs skyrocket.  We've seen everything from the cost of
> gasoline to a gallon of milk go through the roof.
>
> As our families have struggled to make ends meet and our communities
> fought to stay intact, how has Washington responded?  By giving tax
> breaks to the wealthy, rewarding corporations who ship jobs overseas,
> and turning the levers of power over to the lobbyists and special
> interests.
>
> It's easy to feel a little frustrated when you see these Washington
> politicians continue to ignore you.  But it's not the only emotion we
> feel.  When someone comes along who is untainted by the system in
> Washington , who doesn't take money from federal lobbyists or special
> interests and who promises that things can be different, we feel
> something else�"hope.
>
> That's why we're supporting Barack Obama.  Others have come along and
> promised change, but failed to deliver.  Sen. Obama is different than
> the rest.  He doesn't take money from the special interests, and he
> speaks honestly about the issues we are facing.
>
> In addition to supporting his plans for jobs, health care and
> education, we believe that he can deliver on his promises to ensure
> economic opportunity for family farmers, to provide support for rural
> economic development, to promote renewable energy in rural America, to
> protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to
> purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and
> target shooting, and to preserve open land for hunting and fishing.
>
> Unlike his opponents who have been part of the Washington
> establishment for decades, Barack Obama understands the struggles we
> are going through.  We welcomed him with open arms as he made his way
> through small towns and rural areas on his recent bus tour across the
> state.  And we will work day and night from now until the primary on
> his behalf not only because he has heard our frustrations, but because
> he speaks to our hope that Washington can actually work for people
> like us.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ted Alter, State College
>
> Westmoreland County Commissioner Tom Bayla, Greensburg
>
> Mayor John Brenner, York
>
> Lloyd Casey, West Chester �" President, Pennsylvania Forestry
> Association
>
> Mayor John Fetterman, Braddock
>
> Mayor Rick Gray, Lancaster
>
> Scott Harrison, Warriors Mark
>
> State Representative Bryan Lentz, Swarthmore
>
> State Senator Sean Logan, Monroeville
>
> Carl Majji, Claysville �" Corporal , U.S. Army
>
> Mayor Thomas McMahon, Reading
>
> State Senator Bob Mellow �" Pennsylvania Senate Democratic Leader
>
> U.S. Representative Patrick Murphy, Doylestown �" U.S. Congressman
> (PA-08)
>
> Perry County Commissioner Steve Naylor, New Bloomfield
>
> Lackawanna County Commissioner Corey O'Brien, Dunmore
>
> Fran Rodriquez, Lancaster
>
> State Representative Josh Shapiro, Abington �" Deputy Speaker,
> Pennsylvania House of Representatives
>
> Major General Walter Stewart, Berks County � " Former Commander, 28th
> 28th Infantry Division, Pennsylvania Army National Guard
>
> State Representative Dan Surra, St. Marys
>
> State Representative Thomas Tangretti, Greensburg
>
> Lackawanna County Commissioner Michael Washo, Scranton
>
> http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19480144&BRD=218....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

pathetic, as was Senator Casey defense. Obama, nor any of his
defenders have addressed the basic elitist tenet of his comments: that
is, if you're rich and employed you don't need any of these
distractions such as guns or religion, only poor folks need to cling
to such nonsense. Obama comments showed a disgusting vile willingness
to pander to the wackos in frisco to get that money by speaking
direclty to thier pointy-headed views that have succeeded in bringing
precisley 1 two term democract to the white house since fdr, and that
only cause there a was a third wacko, perot in the race. people don't
"cling" to things cause they're bitter about how washington has failed
them, he and his pathetic defenders refuse to directly address the
giagantic blunder this was,- now he says he 'misspoke' sorry if he
offended anybody. hey, it's one thing when you telling folks about
your religion and that they may not understand it, but telling folks
they don't understand why they do the things they do, in thier
religion, just step the **** off,, is the response that must be
expected. judgement? his judgement? uniter? a political sensibility
of understanding folks motivation as required for forging of any
poltical solutions to the problems ahead. sorry, there is no amount
of elequounce or brillance that can splain the basic biogtry of his
initial comments. even as poor a candidate a mccain, isn't poor
enough to not know how to use as big and lethal a club that's handed
to him by his opponent. witness mccain's opting of tonite's
"compassion forum", **** **** **** **** **** ****, this sucks, if
****ing sucks

-jim

-jim

-jim

 

[Bevchcgo@gmail.com]

On Apr 13, 2:39 pm, rawbylaw <rawby...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 3:13 pm, "Bevch...@gmail.com" <Bevch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 1:09 pm, "Bevch...@gmail.com" <Bevch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 13, 1:03 pm, Patrick1...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > > So it's not surprising, then, that they get
> > > > bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people
> > > > who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade
> > > > sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
> > > > <
> > > > (I'd say Obama really hit the nail on the head.)
> > > > <
>
> > > > First of all, as a Presidential candidate.. he should know that people
> > > > are not frustrated over immigration, they are frustrated over ILLEGAL
> > > > immigration.   But secondly, is he saying people turn to religion out
> > > > of frustration ?   I thought he was a Christian himself.
>
> > > My understanding of what he said was that because these people feel
> > > the government is never there for them and doesn't care about them
> > > specificially, they are demoralized and "frustrated" with the
> > > government and therefore cling to their belief systems in religion and
> > > whatever their values are -- NRA, 2nd Amendment, watching Yankees
> > > games .... that make them feel better about who they are.  I
> > > personally agree with what he said 100%.
>
> > > There was nothing anti-Christian or anti-religion or anti-2nd
> > > Amendment in what he said.  He was talking about peoples' belief
> > > systems and it came out sounding like he was the Crown Royal of
> > > whiskey drinkers.  http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
>
> > > This will come up in tonight's CNN discussion.
>
> > > Bev
>
> > Posting in today's paper:
>
> > PA Small Town and Rural Leaders Reject Clinton and McCain Attacks
>
> > In open letter to fellow Pennsylvania voters, community leaders and
> > elected officials reject broken politics of the past, affirm that
> > Obama will fight for Pennsylvanians
>
> > PHILADELPHIA, PA�"Twenty-one elected officials and community leaders
> > from small towns and rural areas throughout Pennsylvania today
> > released an open letter asking fellow Pennsylvanians to set aside
> > Senators Clinton and McCain's recent attempts at political point-
> > scoring and consider who will fight for them as President.
>
> > "A few days ago, Sen. Obama made some comments that his opponents are
> > now using to make him appear as if he is something he is not.  Instead
> > of speaking to us honestly about how they intend to solve the problems
> > we are facing, they are playing the same old Washington games that
> > accomplish nothing," the letter reads.  "...The politicians who are
> > now saying that we shouldn't be frustrated are the ones who are out of
> > touch."
>
> > Citing a broken Washington politics that has allowed special interests
> > and Washington lobbyists to crowd out the voice of working Americans,
> > the authors praise Obama's commitment to fighting for every day people
> > and rejection the same old political games.
>
> > "Unlike his opponents who have been part of the Washington
> > establishment for decades, Barack Obama understands the struggles we
> > are going through," the letter concludes.  "We welcomed him with open
> > arms as he made his way through small towns and rural areas on his
> > recent bus tour across the state.  And we will work day and night from
> > now until the primary on his behalf not only because he has heard our
> > frustrations, but because he speaks to our hope that Washington can
> > actually work for people like us."
>
> > The full text of the letter is below:
>
> > Dear Fellow Pennsylvanian,
>
> > We live in small towns and rural areas throughout Pennsylvania and we
> > support Barack Obama for President.
>
> > A few days ago, Sen. Obama made some comments that his opponents are
> > now using to make him appear as if he is something he is not.  Instead
> > of speaking to us honestly about how they intend to solve the problems
> > we are facing, they are playing the same old Washington games that
> > accomplish nothing.
>
> > What Sen. Obama said is that over the last 25-30 years, working class
> > people in places like Pennsylvania have been falling behind, and that
> > politicians in Washington haven't been looking out for them.  He also
> > said that, as a result, many people have become frustrated, angry and
> > even bitter about all the broken promises.
>
> > He was right.
>
> > The politicians who are now saying that we shouldn't be frustrated are
> > the ones who are out of touch.
>
> > People in the towns and communities we live in have seen their jobs
> > shipped overseas.  We've seen our pensions disappear.  We've seen our
> > health care costs skyrocket.  We've seen everything from the cost of
> > gasoline to a gallon of milk go through the roof.
>
> > As our families have struggled to make ends meet and our communities
> > fought to stay intact, how has Washington responded?  By giving tax
> > breaks to the wealthy, rewarding corporations who ship jobs overseas,
> > and turning the levers of power over to the lobbyists and special
> > interests.
>
> > It's easy to feel a little frustrated when you see these Washington
> > politicians continue to ignore you.  But it's not the only emotion we
> > feel.  When someone comes along who is untainted by the system in
> > Washington , who doesn't take money from federal lobbyists or special
> > interests and who promises that things can be different, we feel
> > something else�"hope.
>
> > That's why we're supporting Barack Obama.  Others have come along and
> > promised change, but failed to deliver.  Sen. Obama is different than
> > the rest.  He doesn't take money from the special interests, and he
> > speaks honestly about the issues we are facing.
>
> > In addition to supporting his plans for jobs, health care and
> > education, we believe that he can deliver on his promises to ensure
> > economic opportunity for family farmers, to provide support for rural
> > economic development, to promote renewable energy in rural America, to
> > protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to
> > purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and
> > target shooting, and to preserve open land for hunting and fishing.
>
> > Unlike his opponents who have been part of the Washington
> > establishment for decades, Barack Obama understands the struggles we
> > are going through.  We welcomed him with open arms as he made his way
> > through small towns and rural areas on his recent bus tour across the
> > state.  And we will work day and night from now until the primary on
> > his behalf not only because he has heard our frustrations, but because
> > he speaks to our hope that Washington can actually work for people
> > like us.
>
> > Sincerely,
>
> > Ted Alter, State College
>
> > Westmoreland County Commissioner Tom Bayla, Greensburg
>
> > Mayor John Brenner, York
>
> > Lloyd Casey, West Chester �" President, Pennsylvania Forestry
> > Association
>
> > Mayor John Fetterman, Braddock
>
> > Mayor Rick Gray, Lancaster
>
> > Scott Harrison, Warriors Mark
>
> > State Representative Bryan Lentz, Swarthmore
>
> > State Senator Sean Logan, Monroeville
>
> > Carl Majji, Claysville �" Corporal , U.S. Army
>
> > Mayor Thomas McMahon, Reading
>
> > State Senator Bob Mellow �" Pennsylvania Senate Democratic Leader
>
> > U.S. Representative Patrick Murphy, Doylestown �" U.S. Congressman
> > (PA-08)
>
> > Perry County Commissioner Steve Naylor, New Bloomfield
>
> > Lackawanna County Commissioner Corey O'Brien, Dunmore
>
> > Fran Rodriquez, Lancaster
>
> > State Representative Josh Shapiro, Abington �" Deputy Speaker,
> > Pennsylvania House of Representatives
>
> > Major General Walter Stewart, Berks County � " Former Commander, 28th
> > 28th Infantry Division, Pennsylvania Army National Guard
>
> > State Representative Dan Surra, St. Marys
>
> > State Representative Thomas Tangretti, Greensburg
>
> > Lackawanna County Commissioner Michael Washo, Scranton
>
> >http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19480144&BRD=218....Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>   pathetic, as was Senator Casey defense.   Obama, nor any of his
> defenders have addressed the basic elitist tenet of his comments: that
> is, if you're rich and employed you don't need any of these
> distractions such as guns or religion, only poor folks need to cling
> to such nonsense.  Obama comments showed a disgusting vile willingness
> to pander to the wackos in frisco to get that money by speaking
> direclty to thier pointy-headed views that have succeeded in bringing
> precisley 1 two term democract to the white house since fdr, and that
> only cause there a was a third wacko, perot in the race.  people don't
> "cling" to things cause they're bitter about how washington has failed
> them, he and his pathetic defenders refuse to directly address the
> giagantic blunder this was,- now he says he 'misspoke'  sorry if he
> offended anybody.  hey, it's one thing when you telling folks about
> your religion and that they may not understand it, but telling folks
> they don't understand why they do the things they do, in thier
> religion, just step the **** off,, is the response that must be
> expected.  judgement? his judgement?  uniter? a political sensibility
> of understanding folks motivation as required for forging of any
> poltical solutions to the problems ahead.  sorry, there is no amount
> of elequounce or brillance that can splain  the basic biogtry of his
> initial comments.  even  as poor a candidate a mccain, isn't poor
> enough to not know how to use as big and lethal a club that's handed
> to him by his opponent. witness mccain's opting of tonite's
> "compassion forum",    **** **** **** **** **** ****, this sucks, if
> ****ing sucks
>
> -jim
>
> -jim
>
> -jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No, Jim,

He never said he misspoke. That's Hillary's line for her sniper
attacks in Bosnia, or whatever her latest lie is. Obama does not use
the word "misspoke."
He said he deeply regrets his statement; but, he shouldn't because his
statement was dead on right. I have talked to well over 23 political
advocates from places like the Sierra Club to the NRA today, and NONE
of them thinks that Obama was out of touch or out of step with what is
going on in America. Moreover, all of these activists are taking
action ON this statement (NRA is doing a PR; Catholic Ministries are
doing one as well) to state where they stand. They all seem to agree
that Obama was right --especially those involved in the clergy -- that
people turn to their faith more and more when they recognize that
their government (as they see it) has let them down.

And I think McCain HAS to become an even more "compassionate
conservative" than did GWB. It's all a lie though, so don't get your
panties get too bunched up in this. McCain will end up losing, and
you should be happy about that because maybe in 4 years if the Dem
candidate doesn't successfully deal with the platter of **** d'jour
handed down from GWB, people will be griping again.

Don't we always gripe? Isn't it always the president?

Bev

 

[matt.orel@gmail.com]

Bevchcgo@gmail.com wrote:
>
> He never said he misspoke. That's Hillary's line for her sniper
> attacks in Bosnia, or whatever her latest lie is. Obama does not use
> the word "misspoke."
> He said he deeply regrets his statement; but, he shouldn't because his
> statement was dead on right.

Oh, my, we are royally ****ed.

 

[rawbylaw]

On Apr 13, 4:18 pm, "Bevch...@gmail.com" <Bevch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2:39 pm, rawbylaw <rawby...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 13, 3:13 pm, "Bevch...@gmail.com" <Bevch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 13, 1:09 pm, "Bevch...@gmail.com" <Bevch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 13, 1:03 pm, Patrick1...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > > > So it's not surprising, then, that they get
> > > > > bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people
> > > > > who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade
> > > > > sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
> > > > > <
> > > > > (I'd say Obama really hit the nail on the head.)
> > > > > <
>
> > > > > First of all, as a Presidential candidate.. he should know that people
> > > > > are not frustrated over immigration, they are frustrated over ILLEGAL
> > > > > immigration.   But secondly, is he saying people turn to religion out
> > > > > of frustration ?   I thought he was a Christian himself.
>
> > > > My understanding of what he said was that because these people feel
> > > > the government is never there for them and doesn't care about them
> > > > specificially, they are demoralized and "frustrated" with the
> > > > government and therefore cling to their belief systems in religion and
> > > > whatever their values are -- NRA, 2nd Amendment, watching Yankees
> > > > games .... that make them feel better about who they are.  I
> > > > personally agree with what he said 100%.
>
> > > > There was nothing anti-Christian or anti-religion or anti-2nd
> > > > Amendment in what he said.  He was talking about peoples' belief
> > > > systems and it came out sounding like he was the Crown Royal of
> > > > whiskey drinkers.  http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
>
> > > > This will come up in tonight's CNN discussion.
>
> > > > Bev
>
> > > Posting in today's paper:
>
> > > PA Small Town and Rural Leaders Reject Clinton and McCain Attacks
>
> > > In open letter to fellow Pennsylvania voters, community leaders and
> > > elected officials reject broken politics of the past, affirm that
> > > Obama will fight for Pennsylvanians
>
> > > PHILADELPHIA, PA�"Twenty-one elected officials and community leaders
> > > from small towns and rural areas throughout Pennsylvania today
> > > released an open letter asking fellow Pennsylvanians to set aside
> > > Senators Clinton and McCain's recent attempts at political point-
> > > scoring and consider who will fight for them as President.
>
> > > "A few days ago, Sen. Obama made some comments that his opponents are
> > > now using to make him appear as if he is something he is not.  Instead
> > > of speaking to us honestly about how they intend to solve the problems
> > > we are facing, they are playing the same old Washington games that
> > > accomplish nothing," the letter reads.  "...The politicians who are
> > > now saying that we shouldn't be frustrated are the ones who are out of
> > > touch."
>
> > > Citing a broken Washington politics that has allowed special interests
> > > and Washington lobbyists to crowd out the voice of working Americans,
> > > the authors praise Obama's commitment to fighting for every day people
> > > and rejection the same old political games.
>
> > > "Unlike his opponents who have been part of the Washington
> > > establishment for decades, Barack Obama understands the struggles we
> > > are going through," the letter concludes.  "We welcomed him with open
> > > arms as he made his way through small towns and rural areas on his
> > > recent bus tour across the state.  And we will work day and night from
> > > now until the primary on his behalf not only because he has heard our
> > > frustrations, but because he speaks to our hope that Washington can
> > > actually work for people like us."
>
> > > The full text of the letter is below:
>
> > > Dear Fellow Pennsylvanian,
>
> > > We live in small towns and rural areas throughout Pennsylvania and we
> > > support Barack Obama for President.
>
> > > A few days ago, Sen. Obama made some comments that his opponents are
> > > now using to make him appear as if he is something he is not.  Instead
> > > of speaking to us honestly about how they intend to solve the problems
> > > we are facing, they are playing the same old Washington games that
> > > accomplish nothing.
>
> > > What Sen. Obama said is that over the last 25-30 years, working class
> > > people in places like Pennsylvania have been falling behind, and that
> > > politicians in Washington haven't been looking out for them.  He also
> > > said that, as a result, many people have become frustrated, angry and
> > > even bitter about all the broken promises.
>
> > > He was right.
>
> > > The politicians who are now saying that we shouldn't be frustrated are
> > > the ones who are out of touch.
>
> > > People in the towns and communities we live in have seen their jobs
> > > shipped overseas.  We've seen our pensions disappear.  We've seen our
> > > health care costs skyrocket.  We've seen everything from the cost of
> > > gasoline to a gallon of milk go through the roof.
>
> > > As our families have struggled to make ends meet and our communities
> > > fought to stay intact, how has Washington responded?  By giving tax
> > > breaks to the wealthy, rewarding corporations who ship jobs overseas,
> > > and turning the levers of power over to the lobbyists and special
> > > interests.
>
> > > It's easy to feel a little frustrated when you see these Washington
> > > politicians continue to ignore you.  But it's not the only emotion we
> > > feel.  When someone comes along who is untainted by the system in
> > > Washington , who doesn't take money from federal lobbyists or special
> > > interests and who promises that things can be different, we feel
> > > something else�"hope.
>
> > > That's why we're supporting Barack Obama.  Others have come along and
> > > promised change, but failed to deliver.  Sen. Obama is different than
> > > the rest.  He doesn't take money from the special interests, and he
> > > speaks honestly about the issues we are facing.
>
> > > In addition to supporting his plans for jobs, health care and
> > > education, we believe that he can deliver on his promises to ensure
> > > economic opportunity for family farmers, to provide support for rural
> > > economic development, to promote renewable energy in rural America, to
> > > protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to
> > > purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and
> > > target shooting, and to preserve open land for hunting and fishing.
>
> > > Unlike his opponents who have been part of the Washington
> > > establishment for decades, Barack Obama understands the struggles we
> > > are going through.  We welcomed him with open arms as he made his way
> > > through small towns and rural areas on his recent bus tour across the
> > > state.  And we will work day and night from now until the primary on
> > > his behalf not only because he has heard our frustrations, but because
> > > he speaks to our hope that Washington can actually work for people
> > > like us.
>
> > > Sincerely,
>
> > > Ted Alter, State College
>
> > > Westmoreland County Commissioner Tom Bayla, Greensburg
>
> > > Mayor John Brenner, York
>
> > > Lloyd Casey, West Chester �" President, Pennsylvania Forestry
> > > Association
>
> > > Mayor John Fetterman, Braddock
>
> > > Mayor Rick Gray, Lancaster
>
> > > Scott Harrison, Warriors Mark
>
> > > State Representative Bryan Lentz, Swarthmore
>
> > > State Senator Sean Logan, Monroeville
>
> > > Carl Majji, Claysville �" Corporal , U.S. Army
>
> > > Mayor Thomas McMahon, Reading
>
> > > State Senator Bob Mellow �" Pennsylvania Senate Democratic Leader
>
> > > U.S. Representative Patrick Murphy, Doylestown �" U.S. Congressman
> > > (PA-08)
>
> > > Perry County Commissioner Steve Naylor, New Bloomfield
>
> > > Lackawanna County Commissioner Corey O'Brien, Dunmore
>
> > > Fran Rodriquez, Lancaster
>
> > > State Representative Josh Shapiro, Abington �" Deputy Speaker,
> > > Pennsylvania House of Representatives
>
> > > Major General Walter Stewart, Berks County � " Former Commander, 28th
> > > 28th Infantry Division, Pennsylvania Army National Guard
>
> > > State Representative Dan Surra, St. Marys
>
> > > State Representative Thomas Tangretti, Greensburg
>
> > > Lackawanna County Commissioner Michael Washo, Scranton
>
> > >http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19480144&BRD=218...quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> >   pathetic, as was Senator Casey defense.   Obama, nor any of his
> > defenders have addressed the basic elitist tenet of his comments: that
> > is, if you're rich and employed you don't need any of these
> > distractions such as guns or religion, only poor folks need to cling
> > to such nonsense.  Obama comments showed a disgusting vile willingness
> > to pander to the wackos in frisco to get that money by speaking
> > direclty to thier pointy-headed views that have succeeded in bringing
> > precisley 1 two term democract to the white house since fdr, and that
> > only cause there a was a third wacko, perot in the race.  people don't
> > "cling" to things cause they're bitter about how washington has failed
> > them, he and his pathetic defenders refuse to directly address the
> > giagantic blunder this was,- now he says he 'misspoke'  sorry if he
> > offended anybody.  hey, it's one thing when you telling folks about
> > your religion and that they may not understand it, but telling folks
> > they don't understand why they do the things they do, in thier
> > religion, just step the **** off,, is the response that must be
> > expected.  judgement? his judgement?  uniter? a political sensibility
> > of understanding folks motivation as required for forging of any
> > poltical solutions to the problems ahead.  sorry, there is no amount
> > of elequounce or brillance that can splain  the basic biogtry of his
> > initial comments.  even  as poor a candidate a mccain, isn't poor
> > enough to not know how to use as big and lethal a club that's handed
> > to him by his opponent. witness mccain's opting of tonite's
> > "compassion forum",    **** **** **** **** **** ****, this sucks, if
> > ****ing sucks
>
> > -jim
>
> > -jim
>
> > -jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> No, Jim,
>
> He never said he misspoke.

he said, ""I didn't say it as well as I should have" - misspoke,
brainfart, whatev, it ain't his particular choice of words that's his
problem now.

 That's Hillary's line for her sniper
> attacks in Bosnia, or whatever her latest lie is.  Obama does not use
> the word "misspoke."

whatev

> He said he deeply regrets his statement; but, he shouldn't because his
> statement was dead on right.

well, remember to take solace in that when he loses by 50
electoral votes

 I have talked to well over 23 political
> advocates from places like the Sierra Club to the NRA today, and NONE
> of them thinks that Obama was out of touch or out of step with what is
> going on in America.  Moreover, all of these activists are taking
> action ON this statement (NRA is doing a PR; Catholic Ministries are
> doing one as well) to state where they stand.  They all seem to agree
> that Obama was right --especially those involved in the clergy -- that
> people turn to their faith more and more when they recognize that
> their government (as they see it) has let them down.

whatev, it's about electoral votes. all that don't matter jack.

>
> And I think McCain HAS to become an even more "compassionate
> conservative" than did GWB.  It's all a lie though, so don't get your
> panties get too bunched up in this.

you sound as presumptious as obama in front of his frisco fatcats,
i'll have you know, in fact, i wear thongs.

 McCain will end up losing, and
> you should be happy about that because maybe in 4 years if the Dem
> candidate doesn't successfully deal with the platter of **** d'jour
> handed down from GWB, people will be griping again.

bev, i will be supporting obama 110% in the fall ( it don't matter
if clinton wins PA by 20 points, the bosnia nonsense was the final
bridge too far) but the dems are ****ed. unless, as has been
suggested elsewhere, mccain is found in bed with a dead shemale
hooker, he's gonna win. and no matter how well obama does in bring in
the more down ticket dems in congress and locally, which he will do,
it won't mean 60 votes in the senate to override mccain's veto to end
the war in iraq. obama ****ed up, and not just a little.

-jim



>
> Don't we always gripe? Isn't it always the president?
>
> Bev

 

[Willy Eyenine]

<matt.orel@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6c450b1e-e505-4493-b287-22ddf40f4d43@a22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Bevchcgo@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> He never said he misspoke. That's Hillary's line for her sniper
>> attacks in Bosnia, or whatever her latest lie is. Obama does not use
>> the word "misspoke."
>> He said he deeply regrets his statement; but, he shouldn't because his
>> statement was dead on right.
>
> Oh, my, we are royally ****ed.

Yeah we are...
I'm really praying for a deadlock at the convention....and, at this point,
they
can nominate the gal or guy who releases the balloons at the end of the
festivities for all I care.

I wonder if a SuperDelegate can take your on-the-mark, succinct
assessment...and pledge otherwise (meaning
other than either of those two)....in the interests of the party and all.

 

[angelagrace]

This is so lame .....


> In open letter to fellow Pennsylvania voters, community leaders and
> elected officials reject broken politics of the past, affirm that
> Obama will fight for Pennsylvanians


> "A few days ago, Sen. Obama made some comments that his opponents are
> now using to make him appear as if he is something he is not. Instead
> of speaking to us honestly about how they intend to solve the problems
> we are facing, they are playing the same old Washington games that
> accomplish nothing," the letter reads. "...The politicians who are
> now saying that we shouldn't be frustrated are the ones who are out of
> touch."

The whole reason he made the comments is because he hasn't been able
to make any purchase with the PA voters precisely because he has
nothing tangible to offer them in the probelm-solving realm. People
who're truly in the economic **** don't go for the pie-in-the-sky hope
thing, they want to hear about the here and now. If he wasn't out of
touch, as well as bombing badly, he wouldn't have made those comments
in the first place.

> Citing a broken Washington politics that has allowed special interests
> and Washington lobbyists to crowd out the voice of working Americans,
> the authors praise Obama's commitment to fighting for every day people
> and rejection the same old political games.

Nobody gets to run for president in 2008 who isn't paying to play with
corporate money and special interests. Nobody, nohow, no matter how
they try to spin it. If Obama was any different, he'd get on board
with campaign finance reform; until he does, it's the same old
political games.

 

[Evolution]

Bevchcgo@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2:39 pm, rawbylaw <rawby...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 13, 3:13 pm, "Bevch...@gmail.com" <Bevch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 13, 1:09 pm, "Bevch...@gmail.com" <Bevch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 13, 1:03 pm, Patrick1...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> So it's not surprising, then, that they get
>>>>> bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people
>>>>> who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade
>>>>> sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
>>>>> <
>>>>> (I'd say Obama really hit the nail on the head.)
>>>>> <
>>>>> First of all, as a Presidential candidate.. he should know that people
>>>>> are not frustrated over immigration, they are frustrated over ILLEGAL
>>>>> immigration. But secondly, is he saying people turn to religion out
>>>>> of frustration ? I thought he was a Christian himself.
>>>> My understanding of what he said was that because these people feel
>>>> the government is never there for them and doesn't care about them
>>>> specificially, they are demoralized and "frustrated" with the
>>>> government and therefore cling to their belief systems in religion and
>>>> whatever their values are -- NRA, 2nd Amendment, watching Yankees
>>>> games .... that make them feel better about who they are. I
>>>> personally agree with what he said 100%.
>>>> There was nothing anti-Christian or anti-religion or anti-2nd
>>>> Amendment in what he said. He was talking about peoples' belief
>>>> systems and it came out sounding like he was the Crown Royal of
>>>> whiskey drinkers. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
>>>> This will come up in tonight's CNN discussion.
>>>> Bev
>>> Posting in today's paper:
>>> PA Small Town and Rural Leaders Reject Clinton and McCain Attacks
>>> In open letter to fellow Pennsylvania voters, community leaders and
>>> elected officials reject broken politics of the past, affirm that
>>> Obama will fight for Pennsylvanians
>>> PHILADELPHIA, PA�"Twenty-one elected officials and community leaders
>>> from small towns and rural areas throughout Pennsylvania today
>>> released an open letter asking fellow Pennsylvanians to set aside
>>> Senators Clinton and McCain's recent attempts at political point-
>>> scoring and consider who will fight for them as President.
>>> "A few days ago, Sen. Obama made some comments that his opponents are
>>> now using to make him appear as if he is something he is not. Instead
>>> of speaking to us honestly about how they intend to solve the problems
>>> we are facing, they are playing the same old Washington games that
>>> accomplish nothing," the letter reads. "...The politicians who are
>>> now saying that we shouldn't be frustrated are the ones who are out of
>>> touch."
>>> Citing a broken Washington politics that has allowed special interests
>>> and Washington lobbyists to crowd out the voice of working Americans,
>>> the authors praise Obama's commitment to fighting for every day people
>>> and rejection the same old political games.
>>> "Unlike his opponents who have been part of the Washington
>>> establishment for decades, Barack Obama understands the struggles we
>>> are going through," the letter concludes. "We welcomed him with open
>>> arms as he made his way through small towns and rural areas on his
>>> recent bus tour across the state. And we will work day and night from
>>> now until the primary on his behalf not only because he has heard our
>>> frustrations, but because he speaks to our hope that Washington can
>>> actually work for people like us."
>>> The full text of the letter is below:
>>> Dear Fellow Pennsylvanian,
>>> We live in small towns and rural areas throughout Pennsylvania and we
>>> support Barack Obama for President.
>>> A few days ago, Sen. Obama made some comments that his opponents are
>>> now using to make him appear as if he is something he is not. Instead
>>> of speaking to us honestly about how they intend to solve the problems
>>> we are facing, they are playing the same old Washington games that
>>> accomplish nothing.
>>> What Sen. Obama said is that over the last 25-30 years, working class
>>> people in places like Pennsylvania have been falling behind, and that
>>> politicians in Washington haven't been looking out for them. He also
>>> said that, as a result, many people have become frustrated, angry and
>>> even bitter about all the broken promises.
>>> He was right.
>>> The politicians who are now saying that we shouldn't be frustrated are
>>> the ones who are out of touch.
>>> People in the towns and communities we live in have seen their jobs
>>> shipped overseas. We've seen our pensions disappear. We've seen our
>>> health care costs skyrocket. We've seen everything from the cost of
>>> gasoline to a gallon of milk go through the roof.
>>> As our families have struggled to make ends meet and our communities
>>> fought to stay intact, how has Washington responded? By giving tax
>>> breaks to the wealthy, rewarding corporations who ship jobs overseas,
>>> and turning the levers of power over to the lobbyists and special
>>> interests.
>>> It's easy to feel a little frustrated when you see these Washington
>>> politicians continue to ignore you. But it's not the only emotion we
>>> feel. When someone comes along who is untainted by the system in
>>> Washington , who doesn't take money from federal lobbyists or special
>>> interests and who promises that things can be different, we feel
>>> something else�"hope.
>>> That's why we're supporting Barack Obama. Others have come along and
>>> promised change, but failed to deliver. Sen. Obama is different than
>>> the rest. He doesn't take money from the special interests, and he
>>> speaks honestly about the issues we are facing.
>>> In addition to supporting his plans for jobs, health care and
>>> education, we believe that he can deliver on his promises to ensure
>>> economic opportunity for family farmers, to provide support for rural
>>> economic development, to promote renewable energy in rural America, to
>>> protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to
>>> purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and
>>> target shooting, and to preserve open land for hunting and fishing.
>>> Unlike his opponents who have been part of the Washington
>>> establishment for decades, Barack Obama understands the struggles we
>>> are going through. We welcomed him with open arms as he made his way
>>> through small towns and rural areas on his recent bus tour across the
>>> state. And we will work day and night from now until the primary on
>>> his behalf not only because he has heard our frustrations, but because
>>> he speaks to our hope that Washington can actually work for people
>>> like us.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Ted Alter, State College
>>> Westmoreland County Commissioner Tom Bayla, Greensburg
>>> Mayor John Brenner, York
>>> Lloyd Casey, West Chester �" President, Pennsylvania Forestry
>>> Association
>>> Mayor John Fetterman, Braddock
>>> Mayor Rick Gray, Lancaster
>>> Scott Harrison, Warriors Mark
>>> State Representative Bryan Lentz, Swarthmore
>>> State Senator Sean Logan, Monroeville
>>> Carl Majji, Claysville �" Corporal , U.S. Army
>>> Mayor Thomas McMahon, Reading
>>> State Senator Bob Mellow �" Pennsylvania Senate Democratic Leader
>>> U.S. Representative Patrick Murphy, Doylestown �" U.S. Congressman
>>> (PA-08)
>>> Perry County Commissioner Steve Naylor, New Bloomfield
>>> Lackawanna County Commissioner Corey O'Brien, Dunmore
>>> Fran Rodriquez, Lancaster
>>> State Representative Josh Shapiro, Abington �" Deputy Speaker,
>>> Pennsylvania House of Representatives
>>> Major General Walter Stewart, Berks County � " Former Commander, 28th
>>> 28th Infantry Division, Pennsylvania Army National Guard
>>> State Representative Dan Surra, St. Marys
>>> State Representative Thomas Tangretti, Greensburg
>>> Lackawanna County Commissioner Michael Washo, Scranton
>>> http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19480144&BRD=218...Hide quoted text -
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>> pathetic, as was Senator Casey defense. Obama, nor any of his
>> defenders have addressed the basic elitist tenet of his comments: that
>> is, if you're rich and employed you don't need any of these
>> distractions such as guns or religion, only poor folks need to cling
>> to such nonsense. Obama comments showed a disgusting vile willingness
>> to pander to the wackos in frisco to get that money by speaking
>> direclty to thier pointy-headed views that have succeeded in bringing
>> precisley 1 two term democract to the white house since fdr, and that
>> only cause there a was a third wacko, perot in the race. people don't
>> "cling" to things cause they're bitter about how washington has failed
>> them, he and his pathetic defenders refuse to directly address the
>> giagantic blunder this was,- now he says he 'misspoke' sorry if he
>> offended anybody. hey, it's one thing when you telling folks about
>> your religion and that they may not understand it, but telling folks
>> they don't understand why they do the things they do, in thier
>> religion, just step the **** off,, is the response that must be
>> expected. judgement? his judgement? uniter? a political sensibility
>> of understanding folks motivation as required for forging of any
>> poltical solutions to the problems ahead. sorry, there is no amount
>> of elequounce or brillance that can splain the basic biogtry of his
>> initial comments. even as poor a candidate a mccain, isn't poor
>> enough to not know how to use as big and lethal a club that's handed
>> to him by his opponent. witness mccain's opting of tonite's
>> "compassion forum", **** **** **** **** **** ****, this sucks, if
>> ****ing sucks
>>
>> -jim
>>
>> -jim
>>
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>
> No, Jim,
>
> He never said he misspoke. That's Hillary's line for her sniper
> attacks in Bosnia, or whatever her latest lie is. Obama does not use
> the word "misspoke."

No, he said he "regrets the words he chose"... That's a whole lot better
than saying he misspoke...

> He said he deeply regrets his statement; but, he shouldn't because his
> statement was dead on right.

So is he lying when he says he regrets his statement, or just pandering?
"Different kind of politician" my ass...

Laurie