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"Roy Jose Lorr" <kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Immortalist wrote:
>
>> On Mar 20, 4:29 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>lorad...@cs.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mar 20, 2:03 pm, cmdr buzz corey <cmdr-buzz-co...@mailcity.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>On Mar 20, 3:11 pm, "Hybrid Angel" <HybridAn...@kingdom.god> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>New and
>>>>>>improved.....http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080320-mars-salt-deposits.html#...
>>>
>>>>>>12/5/06 on Richard Hoagland's
>>>>>>site.....http://www.enterprisemission.com/NewsArchive.php
>>>
>>>>>>Maybe something about that 'face' after all, Richard....
>>>
>>>>>>"The chickens, have come home, to roost".!?
>>>>>>(Everybody)
>>>
>>>>>Scientists have been sure for a long time that there was lots of water
>>>>>on Mars in the past and probably still water there now, more than
>>>>>likely locked up as ice underground.
>>>
>>>>Not for a long time.. they just came clean a few years ago.
>>>
>>>>>When they speak of possible life on Mars in the past they are speaking
>>>>>of primitive forms such as micro-organisms, not intelligent life that
>>>>>could build a "face".
>>>
>>>>Not necessarily... besides water, they have also detected methane..
>>>>which on a rock planet - such as the earth and mars are - is a strong
>>>>indicator of organic metabolysis.
>>>
>>>>As far as disclosure is concerned, the space sector is as infected
>>>>with secrecy as many of the other sectors of the US government have
>>>>been.
>>>
>>>Since when has the presence on mars (if any at all) of water and methane
>>>indicated the presence of or production of biological life from those
>>>non living substances? The atheist myth keeps evolving, eh?-

>>
>>
>> Abiogenesis (Greek a-bio-genesis, "non biological origins") is the
>> formation of life from non-living matter. Today the term is primarily
>> used to refer to the chemical origin of life, such as from a
>> 'primordial soup' or in the vicinity of hydrothermal vents, and most
>> probably through a number of intermediate steps, such as non-living
>> but self-replicating molecules (biopoiesis)...> ...In 1936 Aleksandr
>> Ivanovich Oparin, in his "The Origin of Life on
>> Earth", suggested that organic molecules could be created in an oxygen-
>> less atmosphere, through the action of sunlight. These molecules, he
>> suggested, combine in ever-more complex fashion until they are
>> dissolved into a coacervate droplet. These droplets could then fuse
>> with other droplets and break apart into two replicas of the original.
>> This could be viewed as a primitive form of reproduction and
>> metabolism. Favorable attributes such as increased durability in the
>> structure would survive more often than nonfavorable attributes.> Around
>> the same time J. B. S. Haldane suggested that the earth's pre-
>> biotic oceans - very different from their modern counterparts - would
>> have formed a "hot dilute soup" in which organic compounds, the
>> building blocks of life, could have formed. This idea was called
>> biopoiesis or biopoesis, the process of living matter evolving from
>> self-replicating but nonliving molecules....> ...[The] Clay hypothesis
>> (sometimes called clay theory) has been
>> presented by Graham Cairns-Smith as a possible solution of the problem
>> of origin of life from inorganic non-living matter. It is based on the
>> assumption that original living organisms were low-complexity "naked
>> genes", whose shape and chemical properties influenced their survival
>> chances; the transition from inorganic lifeforms to DNA-based
>> organisms was a "genetic takeover".> Cairns-Smith suggests crystals as
>> original naked genes, and in
>> particular clays. Clays can also include other atoms and molecules in
>> their structures, and perhaps evolved including more and more complex
>> structures, until DNA-related molecules would have taken control of
>> the organism, becoming the genetic driver of its life...>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life> The iron-sulfur world theory
>> is a hypothesis for the origin of life
>> advanced by G
 
"Roy Jose Lorr" <kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> lorad474@cs.com wrote:
>
>> On Mar 20, 3:29 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>lorad...@cs.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mar 20, 2:03 pm, cmdr buzz corey <cmdr-buzz-co...@mailcity.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>On Mar 20, 3:11 pm, "Hybrid Angel" <HybridAn...@kingdom.god> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>New and
>>>>>>improved.....http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080320-mars-salt-deposits.html#...
>>>
>>>>>>12/5/06 on Richard Hoagland's
>>>>>>site.....http://www.enterprisemission.com/NewsArchive.php
>>>
>>>>>>Maybe something about that 'face' after all, Richard....
>>>
>>>>>>"The chickens, have come home, to roost".!?
>>>>>>(Everybody)
>>>
>>>>>Scientists have been sure for a long time that there was lots of water
>>>>>on Mars in the past and probably still water there now, more than
>>>>>likely locked up as ice underground.
>>>
>>>>Not for a long time.. they just came clean a few years ago.
>>>
>>>>>When they speak of possible life on Mars in the past they are speaking
>>>>>of primitive forms such as micro-organisms, not intelligent life that
>>>>>could build a "face".
>>>
>>>>Not necessarily... besides water, they have also detected methane..
>>>>which on a rock planet - such as the earth and mars are - is a strong
>>>>indicator of organic metabolysis.
>>>
>>>>As far as disclosure is concerned, the space sector is as infected
>>>>with secrecy as many of the other sectors of the US government have
>>>>been.
>>>
>>>Since when has the presence on mars (if any at all) of water and methane
>>>indicated the presence of or production of biological life from those
>>>non living substances? The atheist myth keeps evolving, eh?

>>
>>
>> Oh please.. don't confuse 'evolution' with everyday living that all
>> biological creatures (even the most profound bible thumpers) go
>> through every blessed day.> The Krebs Cycle has nothing to do with
>> religion... it's just chemistry. Methane is

>
> Try saying something that makes sense.


Right back atcha!
 
On Mar 20, 4:30 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
> On Mar 20, 2:03 pm,cmdr buzz corey<cmdr-buzz-co...@mailcity.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 20, 3:11 pm, "Hybrid Angel" <HybridAn...@kingdom.god> wrote:

>
> > > New and improved.....http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080320-mars-salt-deposits.html#...

>
> > > 12/5/06 on Richard Hoagland's site.....http://www.enterprisemission.com/NewsArchive.php

>
> > > Maybe something about that 'face' after all, Richard....

>
> > > "The chickens, have come home, to roost".!?
> > > (Everybody)

>
> > Scientists have been sure for a long time that there was lots of water
> > on Mars in the past and probably still water there now, more than
> > likely locked up as ice underground.

>
> Not for a long time.. they just came clean a few years ago.


I guess you need to define a few years ago, they have known that water
existed on Mars since the 1980s.
>
> > When they speak of possible life on Mars in the past they are speaking
> > of primitive forms such as micro-organisms, not intelligent life that
> > could build a "face".

>
> Not necessarily... besides water, they have also detected methane..
> which on a rock planet - such as the earth and mars are - is a strong
> indicator of organic metabolysis.


And that has what to do with intelligent life?
>
> As far as disclosure is concerned, the space sector is as infected
> with secrecy as many of the other sectors of the US government have
> been.


And you know that how?
 
Ouroboros_Rex wrote:

> "Roy Jose Lorr" <kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:8tidnYRL3-li0n7anZ2dnUVZ_r-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>Immortalist wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mar 20, 4:29 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>lorad...@cs.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mar 20, 2:03 pm, cmdr buzz corey <cmdr-buzz-co...@mailcity.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>On Mar 20, 3:11 pm, "Hybrid Angel" <HybridAn...@kingdom.god> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>New and
>>>>>>>improved.....http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080320-mars-salt-deposits.html#...
>>>>
>>>>>>>12/5/06 on Richard Hoagland's
>>>>>>>site.....http://www.enterprisemission.com/NewsArchive.php
>>>>
>>>>>>>Maybe something about that 'face' after all, Richard....
>>>>
>>>>>>>"The chickens, have come home, to roost".!?
>>>>>>>(Everybody)
>>>>
>>>>>>Scientists have been sure for a long time that there was lots of water
>>>>>>on Mars in the past and probably still water there now, more than
>>>>>>likely locked up as ice underground.
>>>>
>>>>>Not for a long time.. they just came clean a few years ago.
>>>>
>>>>>>When they speak of possible life on Mars in the past they are speaking
>>>>>>of primitive forms such as micro-organisms, not intelligent life that
>>>>>>could build a "face".
>>>>
>>>>>Not necessarily... besides water, they have also detected methane..
>>>>>which on a rock planet - such as the earth and mars are - is a strong
>>>>>indicator of organic metabolysis.
>>>>
>>>>>As far as disclosure is concerned, the space sector is as infected
>>>>>with secrecy as many of the other sectors of the US government have
>>>>>been.
>>>>
>>>>Since when has the presence on mars (if any at all) of water and methane
>>>>indicated the presence of or production of biological life from those
>>>>non living substances? The atheist myth keeps evolving, eh?-
>>>
>>>
>>>Abiogenesis (Greek a-bio-genesis, "non biological origins") is the
>>>formation of life from non-living matter. Today the term is primarily
>>>used to refer to the chemical origin of life, such as from a
>>>'primordial soup' or in the vicinity of hydrothermal vents, and most
>>>probably through a number of intermediate steps, such as non-living
>>>but self-replicating molecules (biopoiesis)...> ...In 1936 Aleksandr
>>>Ivanovich Oparin, in his "The Origin of Life on
>>>Earth", suggested that organic molecules could be created in an oxygen-
>>>less atmosphere, through the action of sunlight. These molecules, he
>>>suggested, combine in ever-more complex fashion until they are
>>>dissolved into a coacervate droplet. These droplets could then fuse
>>>with other droplets and break apart into two replicas of the original.
>>>This could be viewed as a primitive form of reproduction and
>>>metabolism. Favorable attributes such as increased durability in the
>>>structure would survive more often than nonfavorable attributes.> Around
>>>the same time J. B. S. Haldane suggested that the earth's pre-
>>>biotic oceans - very different from their modern counterparts - would
>>>have formed a "hot dilute soup" in which organic compounds, the
>>>building blocks of life, could have formed. This idea was called
>>>biopoiesis or biopoesis, the process of living matter evolving from
>>>self-replicating but nonliving molecules....> ...[The] Clay hypothesis
>>>(sometimes called clay theory) has been
>>>presented by Graham Cairns-Smith as a possible solution of the problem
>>>of origin of life from inorganic non-living matter. It is based on the
>>>assumption that original living organisms were low-complexity "naked
>>>genes", whose shape and chemical properties influenced their survival
>>>chances; the transition from inorganic lifeforms to DNA-based
>>>organisms was a "genetic takeover".> Cairns-Smith suggests crystals as
>>>original naked genes, and in
>>>particular clays. Clays can also include other atoms and molecules in
>>>their structures, and perhaps evolved including more and more complex
>>>structures, until DNA-related molecules would have taken control of
>>>the organism, becoming the genetic driver of its life...>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life> The iron-sulfur world theory
>>>is a hypothesis for the origin of life
>>>advanced by G
 
lorad474@cs.com wrote:

> On Mar 20, 10:06 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>lorad...@cs.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Mar 20, 3:29 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <ken...@comcast.net> wrote:

>>
>>>>lorad...@cs.com wrote:

>>
>>>>>On Mar 20, 2:03 pm, cmdr buzz corey <cmdr-buzz-co...@mailcity.com>
>>>>>wrote:

>>
>>>>>>On Mar 20, 3:11 pm, "Hybrid Angel" <HybridAn...@kingdom.god> wrote:

>>
>>>>>>>New and improved.....http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080320-mars-salt-deposits.html#...

>>
>>>>>>>12/5/06 on Richard Hoagland's site.....http://www.enterprisemission.com/NewsArchive.php

>>
>>>>>>>Maybe something about that 'face' after all, Richard....

>>
>>>>>>>"The chickens, have come home, to roost".!?
>>>>>>>(Everybody)

>>
>>>>>>Scientists have been sure for a long time that there was lots of water
>>>>>>on Mars in the past and probably still water there now, more than
>>>>>>likely locked up as ice underground.

>>
>>>>>Not for a long time.. they just came clean a few years ago.

>>
>>>>>>When they speak of possible life on Mars in the past they are speaking
>>>>>>of primitive forms such as micro-organisms, not intelligent life that
>>>>>>could build a "face".

>>
>>>>>Not necessarily... besides water, they have also detected methane..
>>>>>which on a rock planet - such as the earth and mars are - is a strong
>>>>>indicator of organic metabolysis.

>>
>>>>>As far as disclosure is concerned, the space sector is as infected
>>>>>with secrecy as many of the other sectors of the US government have
>>>>>been.

>>
>>>>Since when has the presence on mars (if any at all) of water and methane
>>>>indicated the presence of or production of biological life from those
>>>>non living substances? The atheist myth keeps evolving, eh?

>>
>>>Oh please.. don't confuse 'evolution' with everyday living that all
>>>biological creatures (even the most profound bible thumpers) go
>>>through every blessed day.>
>>>The Krebs Cycle has nothing to do with religion... it's just chemistry.
>>>Methane is

>>
>>Try saying something that makes sense.

>
>
> So sorry.. I assumed you knew enough about the subject to know what
> you were talking about.>
> Let me try again..
> Water and methane and nitrous oxide are all indicators of biological
> life on Earth.
> Since they also exist on Mars, one could logically conclude that there
> might life on Mars.
> Period.


Presence of indicators is not conclusive evidence of anything. The
parts of a light bulb do not indicate light.

>
> The presence of those chemical compounds have nothing to do with
> 'atheism' or with 'religion'.


Exploiting 'indicators' to further spurious notions centered on the
atheist myth that life springs from inanimate matter is a religious
act... plain and simple.

> Period.
>
> Slow enough for you?
> Good.
>
 
lorad474@cs.com wrote:

> On Mar 21, 1:21 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>lorad...@cs.com wrote:
>>
>>>So sorry.. I assumed you knew enough about the subject to know what
>>>you were talking about.>
>>>Let me try again..
>>>Water and methane and nitrous oxide are all indicators of biological
>>>life on Earth.
>>>Since they also exist on Mars, one could logically conclude that there
>>>might life on Mars.
>>>Period.

>>
>>Presence of indicators is not conclusive evidence of anything.

>
>
> So true... the presence of water and methane and nitrous oxide do not
> prove anything about Earth - and


the presence of its billions of forms
> of biological life.


Precisely.

>
>
>>The
>>parts of a light bulb do not indicate light.

>
>
> Correct.. the parts of a LIGHT bulb are not LIGHT... even if they make
> LIGHT.


Precisely.

>
>
>>>The presence of those chemical compounds have nothing to do with
>>>'atheism' or with 'religion'.

>>
>>Exploiting 'indicators' to further spurious notions centered on the
>>atheist myth that life springs from inanimate matter is a religious
>>act... plain and simple.

>
>
> LIAR. You suck as a christian poseur.. >
> No one has exploited indicators..
> No one has advanced 'spurious notions' - other than you.
> No one has advanced atheist myth.
> No one has stated that evolution is religious.>
> You appear to be a totally retarded LIAR.
> Go confess your willful and repeated violation of God's Laws.


Religious fundamentalism in action, anyone who challenges your myth is a
liar.
 
lorad474@cs.com wrote:

> On Mar 22, 6:26 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <ken...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>lorad...@cs.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Mar 21, 1:21 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <ken...@comcast.net> wrote:

>>
>>>>lorad...@cs.com wrote:

>>
>>>>>So sorry.. I assumed you knew enough about the subject to know what
>>>>>you were talking about.>
>>>>>Let me try again..
>>>>>Water and methane and nitrous oxide are all indicators of biological
>>>>>life on Earth.
>>>>>Since they also exist on Mars, one could logically conclude that there
>>>>>might life on Mars.
>>>>>Period.

>>
>>>>Presence of indicators is not conclusive evidence of anything.

>>
>>>So true... the presence of water and methane and nitrous oxide do not
>>>prove anything about Earth - and

>>
>>the presence of its billions of forms
>>
>>
>>>of biological life.

>>
>>Precisely.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>The
>>>>parts of a light bulb do not indicate light.

>>
>>>Correct.. the parts of a LIGHT bulb are not LIGHT... even if they make
>>>LIGHT.

>>
>>Precisely.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>The presence of those chemical compounds have nothing to do with
>>>>>'atheism' or with 'religion'.

>>
>>>>Exploiting 'indicators' to further spurious notions centered on the
>>>>atheist myth that life springs from inanimate matter is a religious
>>>>act... plain and simple.

>>
>>>LIAR. You suck as a christian poseur.. >
>>>No one has exploited indicators..
>>>No one has advanced 'spurious notions' - other than you.
>>>No one has advanced atheist myth.
>>>No one has stated that evolution is religious.>
>>>You appear to be a totally retarded LIAR.
>>>Go confess your willful and repeated violation of God's Laws.

>>
>>Religious fundamentalism in action, anyone who challenges your myth is a
>>liar.

>
>
> You make no sense whatsoever.
>
> Life will be discovered on Mars... as soon as NASA is politically
> willing to make the announcement.
> The precursors and metabolites have been evidenced.>
> Evolution has been proven on earth.
> And 'short term creationists' are demonstrably crazy.


Spoken like a true fundamentalist religious fanatic.
 
This discovery was announced but the messengers were executed by christians
who do not reason: they kill instead.



--
Chris
http://www.myphilosophy.eu

You make no sense whatsoever.

Life will be discovered on Mars... as soon as NASA is politically
willing to make the announcement.
The precursors and metabolites have been evidenced.

Evolution has been proven on earth.
And 'short term creationists' are demonstrably crazy.
 
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