phreakwars Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I saw this strange post on the usenets asking one question... something like this: Re: I want to ask you the most important question of your life. The question is: Are you saved? It is not a question of how good you are, nor if you are a church member, but are you saved? Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die? The reason s And to me, I had to ask the obvious question... what exactally is SAVED ?? . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokersarewild Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 http://www.answers.com/topic/salvation [ ] Deliverance from the power or penalty of sin; redemption. [ ] The agent or means that brings about such deliverance. Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiredofwhiners Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 http://www.answers.com/topic/salvation [ ] Deliverance from the power or penalty of sin; redemption. Squeal like a pig...Ned The agent or means that brings about such deliverance. Burt there people shooting at are canoe, out here on this redneck river in Arkansas. Sorry could'nt help it...carry on:D Quote AA's for quitters...i'm no quitter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixes Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Fuck I read it wrong and thought it said ,"are you shaved?". Had to read it twice to get the "saved part". Anyway to be saved.... Do you have the inner light or our lord as a Christian? Now I'm a ruthless evil bastard ,and if there is a reason for that ,its because I was forced to go to church most of my life. Had someone not opened my eyes to something called the 'bullshit factor". I would still be a walking Zombie of the Christian faith, Not afraid to do something really dumb that would cost me my life ,just because I'm brainwashed into thinking Jesus has my back. When you are dead you are dead. I'm sure any body here in the Service can tell you just how true that is. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalfind Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I saw this strange post on the usenets asking one question... something like this: And to me, I had to ask the obvious question... what exactally is SAVED ?? . . From what I have heard it depends on the religion you have been suckered into. I was raised a Seventh Day Adventist (thank god I escaped) and they have a completely different way of using that phrase then do Baptists for instance. I don't think you can get a clear answer to that question until you decide what church your shackeled to. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phreakwars Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 It's a fucking comforting factor is all. I mean, supposedly a person is supposed to die happier knowing they are forgiven by their creator for like following some sort of rules or something correct ?? Obviously the way Christianity is practiced NOW is much different then the time of Jesus. And by many claims Islam has not changed the way it is practiced... not too much anyway. It seems to me the idea of being saved is a funny concept... I attended a funeral of an acquaintance about 10 years ago, and this was a Lutheran funeral, and during the services I remember the reverend or whatever say something to the tune of "HE BELIEVED IN JESUS CHRIST AS HIS SAVIOR AND SO HE IS SAVED" or something like that... Hmm... is it really THAT easy ??? What am I being saved from exactly ?? Surely not from my final destination because I would believe in the existence of a MAN who was also a GOD supposedly... Same with Mohammad... Don't get me wrong here, I believe Jesus was a man who walked the Earth, I also know Mohammad was as well... I can grasp the concept of using the teachings of these individuals as a guiding principal in how I treat my fellow man and how I live my life, but I just find the whole idea of "FOLLOW MY WISDOM AND YOUR SOUL SHALL BE GRANTED ETERNAL BLISS, DISOBEY AND YOUR SOUL WILL BE TORMENTED FOREVER" type of scenario. I think if there is something to be said about being saved, is that it comes from within a person.. Maybe it might take a faith in someone else's wisdom, or a dream of a happy soul that might exist after death in a whole new realm of being called HEAVEN, but ultimately, being saved means being able to accept the wrongs you may have done and believing that you have been forgiven for them... whether it's friends, family, or a faith you get the forgiveness from, your still never saved until you forgive yourself. Take for instance a person who was drunk at a party and say went into a rage and killed their girlfriend/spouse.. They are sentenced to life in prison and decide to find comfort in a religion... Well, I guess one can live the rest of their life out like that, but what if, after spending all this time in prison, this old man feels nothing but hurt and regret for taking the life of someone he cared for, and he eventually dies resenting his life, but he DID follow the words of Jesus/Mohammad/Buddha...etc... Is HE saved ??? In my opinion, I say NO... he could never forgive himself. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalfind Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 It's a fucking comforting factor is all. I mean, supposedly a person is supposed to die happier knowing they are forgiven by their creator for like following some sort of rules or something correct ?? Obviously the way Christianity is practiced NOW is much different then the time of Jesus. And by many claims Islam has not changed the way it is practiced... not too much anyway. It seems to me the idea of being saved is a funny concept... I attended a funeral of an acquaintance about 10 years ago, and this was a Lutheran funeral, and during the services I remember the reverend or whatever say something to the tune of "HE BELIEVED IN JESUS CHRIST AS HIS SAVIOR AND SO HE IS SAVED" or something like that... Hmm... is it really THAT easy ??? What am I being saved from exactly ?? Surely not from my final destination because I would believe in the existence of a MAN who was also a GOD supposedly... Same with Mohammad... Don't get me wrong here, I believe Jesus was a man who walked the Earth, I also know Mohammad was as well... I can grasp the concept of using the teachings of these individuals as a guiding principal in how I treat my fellow man and how I live my life, but I just find the whole idea of "FOLLOW MY WISDOM AND YOUR SOUL SHALL BE GRANTED ETERNAL BLISS, DISOBEY AND YOUR SOUL WILL BE TORMENTED FOREVER" type of scenario. I think if there is something to be said about being saved, is that it comes from within a person.. Maybe it might take a faith in someone else's wisdom, or a dream of a happy soul that might exist after death in a whole new realm of being called HEAVEN, but ultimately, being saved means being able to accept the wrongs you may have done and believing that you have been forgiven for them... whether it's friends, family, or a faith you get the forgiveness from, your still never saved until you forgive yourself. Take for instance a person who was drunk at a party and say went into a rage and killed their girlfriend/spouse.. They are sentenced to life in prison and decide to find comfort in a religion... Well, I guess one can live the rest of their life out like that, but what if, after spending all this time in prison, this old man feels nothing but hurt and regret for taking the life of someone he cared for, and he eventually dies resenting his life, but he DID follow the words of Jesus/Mohammad/Buddha...etc... Is HE saved ??? In my opinion, I say NO... he could never forgive himself. . . To me this kind of statement implys that these people have a direct connection to God and KNOW what he is thinking (that is assuming of course he exists at all). Its like Christians make up things so life will be more certain rather then the crap shoot it really is. Utter Bullshit if you ask me... Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixes Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I think alot of the "you are saved" is just a reward for knowing that person has learned SOME morals. LOL -Am I wrong? Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scout Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I don't know nor care. I had religion shoved down my throat since birth. It was when I was about 12 I seen the hypocrisy of it all and quit paying attention to the drivel. Grandad and I had "church" wandering the farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalfind Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I don't know nor care. I had religion shoved down my throat since birth. It was when I was about 12 I seen the hypocrisy of it all and quit paying attention to the drivel. Grandad and I had "church" wandering the farm. I'm with you there. My dad was a minister but had retired when I was born. I always went to religious schools and by the time I was in high school, I had a hard time not shouting out BULLSHIT at the top of my lungs when they would start talking about it. When I was 17 I got a job working at night as a dispatcher on the weekends just so I didn't have to go to church. The last time I was in church was for my Dad's funeral. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisanbt Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Being saved is a luxery of the blindly religious. So, is self-deception resulting with the good possibility of feeling you've served the greater cause of god an acceptable option? For you, or everyone? Quote http://www.boohbah.com/zone.html "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards" -Lewis Carroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 I saw that one too. i think I was saved simply by being born into the family I got. being saved is being aware you have choices and being aware of consequences and that nothing is permanent. No god in that, just common sense Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddo Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 wowsa, whole lot of tension in this here thread... Being saved is not: --Going to church --Being perfect --Giving all your money to that funny haired lady with too much make up on TV --bullshit. Being saved is: --Being forgiven for your screw ups --the ability to have one-on-one growing relationship with God --knowing that while I am not perfect, I have assurance that God still loves me I hate to get all cliche on you all here, but here goes: What if you are right and there is no God? -If I am living by the example of Jesus- Then I have lived my life with others in the forefront. Sure, I may not be in "heaven," but my life has not been in vain, because I have lived a life full of love, and spend much of my life helping others, bettering myself, and teaching strong morals and ethics to future generations- all in all, making the world a better place for us all. But what if I am right and there is a God? Where are you then? Quote I'm trusted by more women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarky1.0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 http://www.answers.com/topic/salvation [ ] Deliverance from the power or penalty of sin; redemption. [ ] The agent or means that brings about such deliverance. This is something I just love in Christianity, REDEMPTION. I can be a murdering, wife beating, kiddy raping, flesh eating monster and if I confess to all my crimes, all if forgiven and I get to go to heaven. What a load of BS! As far as the agent goes, talk about one deviant releasing another deviant from there sins, its crap like this, that makes me want to crush my nuts in a vice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddo Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 This is something I just love in Christianity, REDEMPTION. I can be a murdering, wife beating, kiddy raping, flesh eating monster and if I confess to all my crimes, all if forgiven and I get to go to heaven. What a load of BS! As far as the agent goes, talk about one deviant releasing another deviant from there sins, its crap like this, that makes me want to crush my nuts in a vice. ehh, it takes a bit more than just confessing. and the agent that offers deliverance is God (or Jesus) not a priest. You wanna borrow my vice? Quote I'm trusted by more women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarky1.0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 ehh, it takes a bit more than just confessing. and the agent that offers deliverance is God (or Jesus) not a priest. You wanna borrow my vice? Not yet In most religions of the priests of that religion are gods representatives on earth, there for they're the agents of the god they represent on earth, there for confessing to one of these agents is like confessing to god, thus my point still holds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallytuck Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 You've got to be kidding me. Do you really want to know what it is to be saved? Does the server have enough space to support my reply? Probably not, but I can squeeze in the main parts. If you want to be saved, realize that all of our world religions are crocks of shit. Sure, there might have been some dude named Jesus who ran a cult a couple of thousand years ago. But he was the son of god sure enough as Mohammed was the prophet of god. And don't even get me started on Judaism. Do you want to be saved? Then you must overhaul a lot of what is you. Stop watching television. Do research into what is being put into your water supply and into your food. Go and read about how our children are being dumbed down. That's a start. The world is headed in a direction which has a destination of such undesirable happenings that the Christians will wish there was a Jesus to come down and save them. And it's their continued belief in their fairytale deity that has a hand on the steering wheel. The longer people continue to worship traditional deities the longer we'll be in this mess and the worse it will get. Do you want to be saved by god? Then you must save yourself, because you ARE god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterNetProphet Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 I saw this strange post on the usenets asking one question... something like this: And to me, I had to ask the obvious question... what exactally is SAVED ?? . . Beats me...I kinda look at this way,It's a big maybe!!!why? because it defeats the purpose of judgement day, anyway The book of revelation describe the faith of people of the churches in asia minor as examples either they are cold or hot or lukewarm in faith and works.Being lukewarm=moderate just does'nt cut it.Very strict on that count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skategreen Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 I saw this strange post on the usenets asking one question... something like this: And to me, I had to ask the obvious question... what exactally is SAVED ?? . . When I was about 8 years old. I went to the Assembly of God church just a block away from home. They were having an "Open House" or something..and it appeared that any old person could just waltz right in...so I did. I listened to the fella up there talking and he said that anyone who came forward and accepted Jesus into their Hearts would be saved. I figured, Hell, I was there, might as well take advantage of it. So I went up to the altar area, he put his hand on me, asked me if I accepted Jesus as my Savior, .. I said yes. He then told me I was saved. I'm glad I got that done so young. They were having another Open House the following week so I brought my 2 little sisters in and they got saved too. After you got saved, you got to pick a toy out of a box up behind the guy. If you brought people in, you got to go up and get another toy, even if you'd already been saved. It was only later that I realized that I should have spaced the sisters out a week apart. Coulda scored a third toy. Quote The thought manifests as the word. The word manifests as the deed. The deed develops into habit. And the habit hardens into character. So watch the thought and its ways with care. And let it spring from love, born out of concern for all beings. - Buddha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallytuck Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I knew if i waited long enough you would come up with somethng i could agree with. well said Now I feel all warm and tingly inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlantic Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 It's a fucking comforting factor is all. I mean, supposedly a person is supposed to die happier knowing they are forgiven by their creator for like following some sort of rules or something correct ?? Obviously the way Christianity is practiced NOW is much different then the time of Jesus. And by many claims Islam has not changed the way it is practiced... not too much anyway. It seems to me the idea of being saved is a funny concept... I attended a funeral of an acquaintance about 10 years ago, and this was a Lutheran funeral, and during the services I remember the reverend or whatever say something to the tune of "HE BELIEVED IN JESUS CHRIST AS HIS SAVIOR AND SO HE IS SAVED" or something like that... Hmm... is it really THAT easy ??? What am I being saved from exactly ?? Surely not from my final destination because I would believe in the existence of a MAN who was also a GOD supposedly... Same with Mohammad... Don't get me wrong here, I believe Jesus was a man who walked the Earth, I also know Mohammad was as well... I can grasp the concept of using the teachings of these individuals as a guiding principal in how I treat my fellow man and how I live my life, but I just find the whole idea of "FOLLOW MY WISDOM AND YOUR SOUL SHALL BE GRANTED ETERNAL BLISS, DISOBEY AND YOUR SOUL WILL BE TORMENTED FOREVER" type of scenario. I think if there is something to be said about being saved, is that it comes from within a person.. Maybe it might take a faith in someone else's wisdom, or a dream of a happy soul that might exist after death in a whole new realm of being called HEAVEN, but ultimately, being saved means being able to accept the wrongs you may have done and believing that you have been forgiven for them... whether it's friends, family, or a faith you get the forgiveness from, your still never saved until you forgive yourself. Take for instance a person who was drunk at a party and say went into a rage and killed their girlfriend/spouse.. They are sentenced to life in prison and decide to find comfort in a religion... Well, I guess one can live the rest of their life out like that, but what if, after spending all this time in prison, this old man feels nothing but hurt and regret for taking the life of someone he cared for, and he eventually dies resenting his life, but he DID follow the words of Jesus/Mohammad/Buddha...etc... Is HE saved ??? In my opinion, I say NO... he could never forgive himself. . . I was thinking the exact same thing! Can you forgive yourself first? For without that, aren't you in hell anyways? Quote Do the right thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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