WHY DO CHRISTIANS LISTEN TO CAVE DWELLERS AND GOAT FUCKERS ?

there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY PIXIE

presented by the christian nuts.

the only thing they have is the bullshit ramblings from some book that was

buried in the sand for a few thousand years and was written by some

superstitious cave dwellers and goat fuckers.

now if this god asshole was ALL-POWERFUL as these christian retards say, you

would think that there would be a slightly more reliable source of the sky

pixie god's existence than the bullshit ramblings of some superstitious cave

dwellers and goat fuckers wouldn't you?

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

<killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY PIXIE

>presented by the christian nuts.

It's called eye witnesses.

duke, American-American

"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."

Pope Paul VI

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>

>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>PIXIE

>>presented by the christian nuts.

>

> It's called eye witnesses.

eyewitness of superstitious cave dwellers and goat fuckers from a couple of

thousand years ago.

try again.

you're not going to suggest that ernest angley or benny hinn were really

healing people are you? if so, why didn't they heal amputees? what does the

christian god have against amputees?

> duke, brainwashed christian retard

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>

>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>PIXIE

>>presented by the christian nuts.

>

> It's called eye witnesses.

Can we interview one of these witnesses?

--

Andrew W.

Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth

naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief

and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the

messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.

You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda

Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit

guides, earth changes.

http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich

Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!

http://www.acim.org/

Religion Exposed!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

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> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>

>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>PIXIE

>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>

>> It's called eye witnesses.

>

>

> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

good question, now we're waiting on duke's usual backpedalling on why there

isn't any real; PROOF of this great miracle and why this so-called

eyewitness of his is unavailable

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, Andrew W wrote:

> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>

>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>PIXIE

>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>

>> It's called eye witnesses.

>

>

> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

As long as we are allowed to interview an eye witness to Julius Caesar.

alt wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, Andrew W wrote:

>

>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>> PIXIE

>>>> presented by the christian nuts.

>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>>

>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>

> As long as we are allowed to interview an eye witness to Julius Caesar.

A MAJOR difference here, though, is that there are no extraordinary

claims regarding Julius Caesar. Extraordinary claims (such as those

claims made about Jesus) require extraordinary evidence. An eyewitness

account is not extraordinary. Besides, we DO NOT HAVE eyewitness

accounts of the life of Jesus. The gospels were written long after the

supposed time of the crucifixion and simply CANNOT be taken as

eyewitness accounts. In a court of law they would simply be dismissed as

hearsay.

If God came to earth in the flesh and sacrificed himself to himself to

save all of mankind (which is another subject entirely) why on earth is

there such feeble evidence of such an occurrence? It seems that giving

mankind sufficient evidence would be a far lesser challenge than the

whole sacrifice business in itself.

BF

duke wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>

> >there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY PIXIE

> >presented by the christian nuts.

>

> It's called eye witnesses.....

...only by people wearing blinkers recalling the lies crammed into them as an

innocent child.

It is called Brainwashing and for the 'under twelve years of age' should be

criminalised.

[see what a mess it made of you Dook]

>

>

> duke, American-American

>

> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."

> Pope Paul VI

>

Andrew W wrote:

> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

> >

> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

> >>PIXIE

> >>presented by the christian nuts.

> >

> > It's called eye witnesses.

>

> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

They are all conveniently dead

>

>

> --

> Andrew W.

>

> Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth

> naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief

> and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the

> messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.

>

> You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda

>

> Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit

> guides, earth changes.

> http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm

>

> The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.

> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich

> Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

>

> Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!

> http://www.acim.org/

>

> Religion Exposed!

> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

Bob Frapples wrote:

> alt wrote:

> > On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, Andrew W wrote:

> >

> >> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

> >> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

> >>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> >>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

> >>>> PIXIE

> >>>> presented by the christian nuts.

> >>> It's called eye witnesses.

> >>

> >> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

> >

> > As long as we are allowed to interview an eye witness to Julius Caesar.

>

> A MAJOR difference here, though, is that there are no extraordinary

> claims regarding Julius Caesar. Extraordinary claims (such as those

> claims made about Jesus) require extraordinary evidence. An eyewitness

> account is not extraordinary. Besides, we DO NOT HAVE eyewitness

> accounts of the life of Jesus. The gospels were written long after the

> supposed time of the crucifixion and simply CANNOT be taken as

> eyewitness accounts. In a court of law they would simply be dismissed as

> hearsay.

Or, wasting The Court's time

>

> If God came to earth in the flesh and sacrificed himself to himself to

> save all of mankind (which is another subject entirely) why on earth is

> there such feeble evidence of such an occurrence? It seems that giving

> mankind sufficient evidence would be a far lesser challenge than the

> whole sacrifice business in itself.

Absolutely

>

>

> BF

On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

wrote:

>

>

>Andrew W wrote:

>

>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>> >>PIXIE

>> >>presented by the christian nuts.

>> >

>> > It's called eye witnesses.

>>

>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>

>They are all conveniently dead

Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

"Bob Frapples" <bob@frapples.com> wrote in message

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> alt wrote:

>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, Andrew W wrote:

>>

>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>>> PIXIE

>>>>> presented by the christian nuts.

>>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>>>

>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>>

>> As long as we are allowed to interview an eye witness to Julius Caesar.

>

> A MAJOR difference here, though, is that there are no extraordinary claims

> regarding Julius Caesar. Extraordinary claims (such as those claims made

> about Jesus) require extraordinary evidence. An eyewitness account is not

> extraordinary.

That's right. Its not extraordinary in itself. We have eyewitness accounts

of current day celebrities, yet we do not have accurate transcripts of

many of the things they say (much worse during ancient times when nothing

was written down until much later). More, we don't know exactly what people

meant when they said them. That's why there are so many silly rumours going

around about people in any time. Meaning is everything, and the meaning of

many words and verses from Aramaic and Hebrew scrolls are still not known

today, yet believers make a big song and dance about very specific claims.

> Besides, we DO NOT HAVE eyewitness accounts of the life of Jesus. The

> gospels were written long after the supposed time of the crucifixion and

> simply CANNOT be taken as eyewitness accounts. In a court of law they

> would simply be dismissed as hearsay.

> If God came to earth in the flesh and sacrificed himself to himself to

> save all of mankind (which is another subject entirely) why on earth is

> there such feeble evidence of such an occurrence? It seems that giving

> mankind sufficient evidence would be a far lesser challenge than the whole

> sacrifice business in itself.

Too hard for the Christian God so he forces us to rely on other frail humans

for ALL our information.

>

> BF

--

Andrew W.

Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth

naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief

and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the

messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.

You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda

Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit

guides, earth changes.

http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich

Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!

http://www.acim.org/

Religion Exposed!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

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> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>Andrew W wrote:

>>

>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>> >

>>> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>> >>PIXIE

>>> >>presented by the christian nuts.

>>> >

>>> > It's called eye witnesses.

>>>

>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>>

>>They are all conveniently dead

>

> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

Obviously you Christians have a different meaning for the word 'witness'.

Simply announcing oneself to be a Christian automatically makes one a

witness. Correct?

One of the signs of a sect/cult is they make up new meanings and definitions

for certain words in the English language (as well as make up their own

words in some cases e.g. sin).

--

Andrew W.

Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth

naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief

and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the

messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.

You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda

Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit

guides, earth changes.

http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich

Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!

http://www.acim.org/

Religion Exposed!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, "Andrew W"

<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>

>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>PIXIE

>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>

>> It's called eye witnesses.

>

>

>Can we interview one of these witnesses?

You ask for a witness, yet you take a woman's word for it who

claims to have spoken to Jesus Christ in the 60's, and now follow

her newly designed religion. Please stop being a hypocrite.

gabriel

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:22:31 GMT, Bob Frapples <bob@frapples.com>

wrote:

>alt wrote:

>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, Andrew W wrote:

>>

>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>>> PIXIE

>>>>> presented by the christian nuts.

>>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>>>

>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>>

>> As long as we are allowed to interview an eye witness to Julius Caesar.

>

>A MAJOR difference here, though, is that there are no extraordinary

>claims regarding Julius Caesar. Extraordinary claims (such as those

>claims made about Jesus) require extraordinary evidence.

That's not the point. The point is the question was asked to

speak to a witness. Those witnesses are no more with us today

than witnesses who spoke with Julius Caesar.

Now, if you're after other evidence, then so be it. But his

rebuttal stands on the ridiculousness of asking to speak to those

witnesses.

Although now that I think about it, talk to Andrew W -- he

follows a woman's religion that spoke with Jesus Christ in the

60's. Not sure if she's still alive, but maybe Andrew W could set

you up with an interview?

In the meantime, if you're after extraordinary evidence, it's

been around you all the time: life, intelligence, consciousness,

conscience, sight, reproduction, laws of nature, millions of

distinct species, the planets, orbits, perfectly sustained

conditions for life here on earth to even be possible, the sun,

and the list goes on. Those are all extraordinary things, and

they point to the extraordinary creator The Lord our God!

Romans 1:18-23 KJVR

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all

ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in

unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in

them; for God hath showed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the

world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are

made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are

without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not

as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their

imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an

image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted

beasts, and creeping things.

Glory to God in the highest!

gabriel

>An eyewitness

>account is not extraordinary. Besides, we DO NOT HAVE eyewitness

>accounts of the life of Jesus. The gospels were written long after the

>supposed time of the crucifixion and simply CANNOT be taken as

>eyewitness accounts. In a court of law they would simply be dismissed as

>hearsay.

>If God came to earth in the flesh and sacrificed himself to himself to

>save all of mankind (which is another subject entirely) why on earth is

>there such feeble evidence of such an occurrence? It seems that giving

>mankind sufficient evidence would be a far lesser challenge than the

>whole sacrifice business in itself.

>

>BF

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:14:47 +1100, "Andrew W"

<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

>news:le5mn399ltnbcj53k4qcdhfogvpv52gbqk@4ax.com...

>> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>>Andrew W wrote:

>>>

>>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>>> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>> >

>>>> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>> >>PIXIE

>>>> >>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>> >

>>>> > It's called eye witnesses.

>>>>

>>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>>>

>>>They are all conveniently dead

>>

>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

>

>

>Obviously you Christians have a different meaning for the word 'witness'.

>Simply announcing oneself to be a Christian automatically makes one a

>witness. Correct?

No. His witnesses are people who have experienced his truth by

practicing his teaching. They witness for him based on the truth they

learned in life. Their testimony is not about their belief. Their

testimony is about what they have learned and experienced in real life

because of their belief in Jesus Christ. It does not have be miracle.

It does not have to be great success. It just has to be ordinary life

experience that is going to touch every good heart.

>One of the signs of a sect/cult is they make up new meanings and definitions

>for certain words in the English language (as well as make up their own

>words in some cases e.g. sin).

How am I doing?

:-)

"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:4m9mn3915vegf3j2askte8c5hes2kbsjid@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, "Andrew W"

> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>

>>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>>PIXIE

>>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>

>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>>

>>

>>Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>

> You ask for a witness, yet you take a woman's word for it who

> claims to have spoken to Jesus Christ in the 60's, and now follow

> her newly designed religion. Please stop being a hypocrite.

Is this your best rebuke? I follow one woman's religion, yeah right.

Whatever.

This rebuke is getting old, Rafael, er, I mean Gabriel.

I think I'll wait a few days in case you think of a new and better one.

>

> gabriel

--

Andrew W.

Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth

naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief

and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the

messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.

You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda

Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit

guides, earth changes.

http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich

Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!

http://www.acim.org/

Religion Exposed!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:14:47 +1100, "Andrew W"

> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>

>>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

>>news:le5mn399ltnbcj53k4qcdhfogvpv52gbqk@4ax.com...

>>> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Andrew W wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>>>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>>>> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>>> >

>>>>> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN

>>>>> >>SKY

>>>>> >>PIXIE

>>>>> >>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>>> >

>>>>> > It's called eye witnesses.

>>>>>

>>>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>>>>

>>>>They are all conveniently dead

>>>

>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

>>

>>

>>Obviously you Christians have a different meaning for the word 'witness'.

>>Simply announcing oneself to be a Christian automatically makes one a

>>witness. Correct?

>

> No. His witnesses are people who have experienced his truth by

> practicing his teaching.

And how do you know when you've successfully completed this important step?

How do you gauge what is "his truth" after 2000 years as opposed to what is

not his truth?

Does he come and tell you? Or do you just feel some warm and fuzzy feelings

and perhaps experience some amazing synchronicities (miracles) in your life,

which by the way sometimes also non-Christians and even atheists do?

How do you explain the thousands of Christian sects and denomination who can

never quite agree on exactly what God wants and how to get saved? They all

claim what you and others here are claiming.

> They witness for him based on the truth they

> learned in life.

Everyone has their own take on the truth in their lives. Everyone has their

own path. That is free will.

No one has ever been able to show that their truth/path is any Godlier than

anyone else's.

Its a personal thing.

> Their testimony is not about their belief. Their

> testimony is about what they have learned and experienced in real life

> because of their belief in Jesus Christ.

Everyone's experiences about Jesus Christ will be different because everyone

has a slightly different take on what Christ is all about. Are they all

correct? Does it matter? Hell yeah. How many different versions of truth

about Christ are there?

> It does not have be miracle.

A miracle to a religious person is often a fairly normal occurrence to one

who has a better understanding of metaphysics.

> It does not have to be great success. It just has to be ordinary life

> experience that is going to touch every good heart.

Countless Christians preachers (and regular Christians) have claimed that

they believed they have experienced God's truth through fantastic

happenings, but we all know what happened to many of them. The TV

evangelists are the most obvious examples.

When a religious believer gets warm and fuzzies, they get exited and swear

up and down that they have been shown the truth.

But have they? Mostly No. They all have their own versions of the truth, and

God doesn't seem to care either way, even when they misuse what he allegedly

gave them.

What I'm saying is that Christians are trusting and relying on a magical

process which they've each cherry picked from their Bible and they can't see

that its all over the shop (10,000-20,000 discordant Christian sects and

denominations and still counting).

>

>>One of the signs of a sect/cult is they make up new meanings and

>>definitions

>>for certain words in the English language (as well as make up their own

>>words in some cases e.g. sin).

>

> How am I doing?

>

> :-)

Hmm. :-)

--

Andrew W.

Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth

naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief

and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the

messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.

You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda

Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit

guides, earth changes.

http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich

Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!

http://www.acim.org/

Religion Exposed!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

Feng wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:14:47 +1100, "Andrew W"

> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>

> >"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

> >news:le5mn399ltnbcj53k4qcdhfogvpv52gbqk@4ax.com...

> >> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

> >> wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Andrew W wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

> >>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

> >>>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> >>>> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

> >>>> >

> >>>> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

> >>>> >>PIXIE

> >>>> >>presented by the christian nuts.

> >>>> >

> >>>> > It's called eye witnesses.

> >>>>

> >>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

> >>>

> >>>They are all conveniently dead

> >>

> >> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

> >

> >

> >Obviously you Christians have a different meaning for the word 'witness'.

> >Simply announcing oneself to be a Christian automatically makes one a

> >witness. Correct?

>

> No. His witnesses are people who have experienced his truth by

> practicing his teaching.

Which is, of course, a thumping great lie, nobody experiences anything about

gods, all they experience is mass hysteria

> They witness for him based on the truth they

> learned in life.

See above

> Their testimony is not about their belief. Their

> testimony is about what they have learned and experienced in real life

> because of their belief in Jesus Christ. It does not have be miracle.

> It does not have to be great success. It just has to be ordinary life

> experience that is going to touch every good heart.

Yup - like I said - Mass Hysteria

>

>

> >One of the signs of a sect/cult is they make up new meanings and definitions

> >for certain words in the English language (as well as make up their own

> >words in some cases e.g. sin).

>

> How am I doing?

Not too good.

>

>

> :-)

On 2 Jan 2008 03:09:02 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

wrote:

>> How am I doing?

>

>Not too good.

Better than I thought, thank you.

:-)

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:27:09 +1100, "Andrew W"

<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

>news:pm9mn3tsjkhj0dtursibp1vdifeputdsc2@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:14:47 +1100, "Andrew W"

>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>>

>>>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

>>>news:le5mn399ltnbcj53k4qcdhfogvpv52gbqk@4ax.com...

>>>> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Andrew W wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>>>>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>>>>> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN

>>>>>> >>SKY

>>>>>> >>PIXIE

>>>>>> >>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > It's called eye witnesses.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>>>>>

>>>>>They are all conveniently dead

>>>>

>>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

>>>

>>>

>>>Obviously you Christians have a different meaning for the word 'witness'.

>>>Simply announcing oneself to be a Christian automatically makes one a

>>>witness. Correct?

>>

>> No. His witnesses are people who have experienced his truth by

>> practicing his teaching.

>

>And how do you know when you've successfully completed this important step?

>How do you gauge what is "his truth" after 2000 years as opposed to what is

>not his truth?

>Does he come and tell you? Or do you just feel some warm and fuzzy feelings

>and perhaps experience some amazing synchronicities (miracles) in your life,

>which by the way sometimes also non-Christians and even atheists do?

>How do you explain the thousands of Christian sects and denomination who can

>never quite agree on exactly what God wants and how to get saved? They all

>claim what you and others here are claiming.

I'm afraid I'm in no position to comment on any of these questions. I

only know to follow the Christ in my heart. Beyond that, it's out of

my control.

>

>> They witness for him based on the truth they

>> learned in life.

>

>Everyone has their own take on the truth in their lives. Everyone has their

>own path. That is free will.

>No one has ever been able to show that their truth/path is any Godlier than

>anyone else's.

>Its a personal thing.

Everyone has their own understanding about the truth, and their

personal spiritual path may be all different, but the Christ in

everyone's heart is all the same.

>

>> Their testimony is not about their belief. Their

>> testimony is about what they have learned and experienced in real life

>> because of their belief in Jesus Christ.

>

>Everyone's experiences about Jesus Christ will be different because everyone

>has a slightly different take on what Christ is all about. Are they all

>correct? Does it matter? Hell yeah. How many different versions of truth

>about Christ are there?

Christ's truth should not be determined by what's in people's mind, it

should be determined by what's in people's heart.

>

>> It does not have be miracle.

>

>A miracle to a religious person is often a fairly normal occurrence to one

>who has a better understanding of metaphysics.

In my opinion, love is the only miracle.

>

>> It does not have to be great success. It just has to be ordinary life

>> experience that is going to touch every good heart.

>

>Countless Christians preachers (and regular Christians) have claimed that

>they believed they have experienced God's truth through fantastic

>happenings, but we all know what happened to many of them. The TV

>evangelists are the most obvious examples.

>When a religious believer gets warm and fuzzies, they get exited and swear

>up and down that they have been shown the truth.

>But have they? Mostly No. They all have their own versions of the truth, and

>God doesn't seem to care either way, even when they misuse what he allegedly

>gave them.

>What I'm saying is that Christians are trusting and relying on a magical

>process which they've each cherry picked from their Bible and they can't see

>that its all over the shop (10,000-20,000 discordant Christian sects and

>denominations and still counting).

God does not play magic. Too bad, what a disappointment to them.

>

>>

>>>One of the signs of a sect/cult is they make up new meanings and

>>>definitions

>>>for certain words in the English language (as well as make up their own

>>>words in some cases e.g. sin).

>>

>> How am I doing?

>>

>> :-)

>

>Hmm. :-)

Thank you very much for the smile.

:-)

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:28:46 +1100, "Andrew W"

<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>news:4m9mn3915vegf3j2askte8c5hes2kbsjid@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, "Andrew W"

>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>>

>>>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>>>PIXIE

>>>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>>

>>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>>>

>>>

>>>Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>>

>> You ask for a witness, yet you take a woman's word for it who

>> claims to have spoken to Jesus Christ in the 60's, and now follow

>> her newly designed religion. Please stop being a hypocrite.

>

>Is this your best rebuke? I follow one woman's religion, yeah right.

>Whatever.

So now you're claiming you don't follow her teachings?

Then please take her out of your signature line if that's true.

She's in the sig line of every post you make: her "course in

miracles", which is a religion created by a woman who claims to

have had conversations with Jesus Christ, is always in your sig:

"Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of

it!

http://www.acim.org/"

She clearly makes reference to "the voice" on her website:

http://www.acim.org/ACIM/HowItCame.htm

Do you investigate what you believe in so strongly? You clearly

didn't read much about her if you didn't know this.

What do you do now? Start denying you follow her (while

continuing to advertise for her in your sig lines it should be

noted). I suppose now it's getting embarrassing for you to follow

a woman's created religion that claims to have spoken with Jesus

Christ, and it should be.

Why are you being less than honest about this Andrew? A question

you want to answer for yourself, not me.

If it's true that you don't follow her, then show it by taking

her out of your signature line.

>This rebuke is getting old, Rafael, er, I mean Gabriel.

>I think I'll wait a few days in case you think of a new and better one.

And now you resort to weak insults as well? Why the insults,

Andrew? A question you want to answer for yourself, not me.

You've already made it obvious long ago you are less than honest

and are more about personal attacks, then truth, and certainly

you don't match the "all about love" woman-made religion you

hypocritically claim to follow. Please ask yourself why you're

being less than honest and hypocritical. It's the best evidence

you could ask for in helping you find the truth.

gabriel

"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:195nn31p7iqvltojc0bin3urv4pnif94jj@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:28:46 +1100, "Andrew W"

> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>

>>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>news:4m9mn3915vegf3j2askte8c5hes2kbsjid@4ax.com...

>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, "Andrew W"

>>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>>>

>>>>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>>>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>>>>PIXIE

>>>>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>>>

>>>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>>>

>>> You ask for a witness, yet you take a woman's word for it who

>>> claims to have spoken to Jesus Christ in the 60's, and now follow

>>> her newly designed religion. Please stop being a hypocrite.

>>

>>Is this your best rebuke? I follow one woman's religion, yeah right.

>>Whatever.

>

> So now you're claiming you don't follow her teachings?

I don't follow any one source of teachings. I study many sources.

And I definitely don't follow people themselves. I discern the content of

the materials in every case.

>

> Then please take her out of your signature line if that's true.

> She's in the sig line of every post you make: her "course in

> miracles", which is a religion created by a woman who claims to

> have had conversations with Jesus Christ, is always in your sig:

>

> "Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of

> it!

> http://www.acim.org/"

>

> She clearly makes reference to "the voice" on her website:

> http://www.acim.org/ACIM/HowItCame.htm

Why are you focusing so much on this one individual involved in this

particular project?

Why don't you spend less time focusing on human individuals and more on the

materials themselves?

Then look at other sources as well. There are many.

> Do you investigate what you believe in so strongly? You clearly

> didn't read much about her if you didn't know this.

>

> What do you do now? Start denying you follow her (while

> continuing to advertise for her in your sig lines it should be

> noted). I suppose now it's getting embarrassing for you to follow

> a woman's created religion that claims to have spoken with Jesus

> Christ, and it should be.

>

> Why are you being less than honest about this Andrew? A question

> you want to answer for yourself, not me.

>

> If it's true that you don't follow her, then show it by taking

> her out of your signature line.

>

>>This rebuke is getting old, Rafael, er, I mean Gabriel.

>>I think I'll wait a few days in case you think of a new and better one.

>

> And now you resort to weak insults as well? Why the insults,

> Andrew? A question you want to answer for yourself, not me.

>

> You've already made it obvious long ago you are less than honest

> and are more about personal attacks, then truth, and certainly

> you don't match the "all about love" woman-made religion you

> hypocritically claim to follow. Please ask yourself why you're

> being less than honest and hypocritical. It's the best evidence

> you could ask for in helping you find the truth.

>

> gabriel

--

Andrew W.

Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth

naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief

and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the

messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.

You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda

Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit

guides, earth changes.

http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich

Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!

http://www.acim.org/

Religion Exposed!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

news:le5mn399ltnbcj53k4qcdhfogvpv52gbqk@4ax.com...

> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >Andrew W wrote:

> >

> >> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

> >> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> >> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

> >> >

> >> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN

SKY

> >> >>PIXIE

> >> >>presented by the christian nuts.

> >> >

> >> > It's called eye witnesses.

> >>

> >> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

> >

> >They are all conveniently dead

>

> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

>

>

Yes, conveniently brain dead Christians.

"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

news:634nn3hj213knvg0gjrcoo7523f9ntgkl0@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:27:09 +1100, "Andrew W"

> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>

> >"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

> >news:pm9mn3tsjkhj0dtursibp1vdifeputdsc2@4ax.com...

> >> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:14:47 +1100, "Andrew W"

> >> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

> >>

> >>>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:le5mn399ltnbcj53k4qcdhfogvpv52gbqk@4ax.com...

> >>>> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

> >>>> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>Andrew W wrote:

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

> >>>>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

> >>>>>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> >>>>>> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

> >>>>>> >

> >>>>>> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE

CHRISTIAN

> >>>>>> >>SKY

> >>>>>> >>PIXIE

> >>>>>> >>presented by the christian nuts.

> >>>>>> >

> >>>>>> > It's called eye witnesses.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

> >>>>>

> >>>>>They are all conveniently dead

> >>>>

> >>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Obviously you Christians have a different meaning for the word

'witness'.

> >>>Simply announcing oneself to be a Christian automatically makes one a

> >>>witness. Correct?

> >>

> >> No. His witnesses are people who have experienced his truth by

> >> practicing his teaching.

> >

> >And how do you know when you've successfully completed this important

step?

> >How do you gauge what is "his truth" after 2000 years as opposed to what

is

> >not his truth?

> >Does he come and tell you? Or do you just feel some warm and fuzzy

feelings

> >and perhaps experience some amazing synchronicities (miracles) in your

life,

> >which by the way sometimes also non-Christians and even atheists do?

> >How do you explain the thousands of Christian sects and denomination who

can

> >never quite agree on exactly what God wants and how to get saved? They

all

> >claim what you and others here are claiming.

>

> I'm afraid I'm in no position to comment on any of these questions. I

> only know to follow the Christ in my heart. Beyond that, it's out of

> my control.

You can say that again.

>

> >

> >> They witness for him based on the truth they

> >> learned in life.

> >

> >Everyone has their own take on the truth in their lives. Everyone has

their

> >own path. That is free will.

> >No one has ever been able to show that their truth/path is any Godlier

than

> >anyone else's.

> >Its a personal thing.

>

> Everyone has their own understanding about the truth, and their

> personal spiritual path may be all different, but the Christ in

> everyone's heart is all the same.

Which truth do you understand?

>

> >

> >> Their testimony is not about their belief. Their

> >> testimony is about what they have learned and experienced in real life

> >> because of their belief in Jesus Christ.

> >

> >Everyone's experiences about Jesus Christ will be different because

everyone

> >has a slightly different take on what Christ is all about. Are they all

> >correct? Does it matter? Hell yeah. How many different versions of truth

> >about Christ are there?

>

> Christ's truth should not be determined by what's in people's mind, it

> should be determined by what's in people's heart.

Sorry, but the heart and mind should be one.

>

> >

> >> It does not have be miracle.

> >

> >A miracle to a religious person is often a fairly normal occurrence to

one

> >who has a better understanding of metaphysics.

>

> In my opinion, love is the only miracle.

That we exist, is the only miracle.

>

> >

> >> It does not have to be great success. It just has to be ordinary life

> >> experience that is going to touch every good heart.

> >

> >Countless Christians preachers (and regular Christians) have claimed that

> >they believed they have experienced God's truth through fantastic

> >happenings, but we all know what happened to many of them. The TV

> >evangelists are the most obvious examples.

> >When a religious believer gets warm and fuzzies, they get exited and

swear

> >up and down that they have been shown the truth.

> >But have they? Mostly No. They all have their own versions of the truth,

and

> >God doesn't seem to care either way, even when they misuse what he

allegedly

> >gave them.

> >What I'm saying is that Christians are trusting and relying on a magical

> >process which they've each cherry picked from their Bible and they can't

see

> >that its all over the shop (10,000-20,000 discordant Christian sects and

> >denominations and still counting).

>

> God does not play magic. Too bad, what a disappointment to them.

So, you have a direct line of communication to this claimed God?

>

> >

> >>

> >>>One of the signs of a sect/cult is they make up new meanings and

> >>>definitions

> >>>for certain words in the English language (as well as make up their own

> >>>words in some cases e.g. sin).

> >>

> >> How am I doing?

> >>

> >> :-)

> >

> >Hmm. :-)

>

> Thank you very much for the smile.

( ; )

>

> :-)