Why racial profiling HAS to be used.

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004102822.asp

 

I'm sick of hearing Muslims cry about how unfair it is for them to be racially profiled. Check this link out, it lists Muslim terrorist activities dating back to 1968.

Im new and confused...and i hate muslims moaning!

Im new and confused...and i hate muslims moaning!

 

don't be confused, you've come to the right place.

Just speak your mind.

Well what do you expect, it's not grown overnight... BTW, if you count all the beheadings on ogrish.com you will see that the Arabs/Muslims win by a landslide... More blood has been shead by Muslims from these terrorists, and I think it's time they wake up and realize who the real fuckers are and instead of detonating yourself...

Look, There are about half a billion muslims in the world. Out of all of them, maybe a thousand if that are suicide bombers. That's not exactly an overwhelming majority.

Look, There are about half a billion muslims in the world. Out of all of them, maybe a thousand if that are suicide bombers. That's not exactly an overwhelming majority.

 

 

of the muslim population, no... it is a small minority of MUSLIMS that are doing these things...

 

BUT .....

 

of all the terrorists in the world, a HUGE MAJORITY of those are muslim!

 

Don't try to put lipstick on a pig... it's still a fucking pig!

Look, There are about half a billion muslims in the world. Out of all of them, maybe a thousand if that are suicide bombers. That's not exactly an overwhelming majority.

 

don't you mean would be suicide bombers??

or are you counting the dead ones...

Look, There are about half a billion muslims in the world. Out of all of them, maybe a thousand if that are suicide bombers. That's not exactly an overwhelming majority.

No there are a full BILLION muslims, all of which support terrorism to a degree.

I don't consider MUSLIMS being a race, but a religion. Muslims can be Arab, Asian, Caucasian, African. In our region we have Indonesia - the world's largest muslim country - and they're asians.

 

The perception in the US appears to be that they're all arabs, but that's not the case.

 

That said, it does appear that the majority of terrorist plotting/funding/training seems to centre around the Middle East, and it appears to be arabs most of the time perpetrating attacks around the world.

 

Given this is the case, it makes for a more efficient use of police resources to pay extra attention when people of ME appearance frequent public transport etc.

 

 

(I just feel sorry for people like my mate who is an Indian seikh. As he explains it to me, Seikhs came about because muslims were attacking Hindus, and the Seikhs were created as a group of people who would fight back. Ironically, because they grow beards, long hair and wear turbans, seikhs are often mistaken by westerners for muslims, even though they are the sworn enemy of muslims. Here is where racial profiling gets it wrong.)

The fact is, people fail to realise what Muslims are victim of yet all you see are their bad aspects from TV.

 

30-40 Years ago, Jews were segregated so-high even in Canada. And now look at what they do to Arabs. The same shit that happend to them. The Palestinian people are paying the price for the mistakes of Europe and the West for segregating the Jews and having to place them in Palestine.

 

It's quite annoying seeing people talk about Muslims when they don't know two shits about the religion. The exaggerations and the distortions that had smeared the pages of history needed to be corrected, and Islam and the Middle East had to be presented in the right light.

 

Islam is a universal religion and there is nothing aggressively oriental or anti-Western about it. Indeed, when Muslims first encountered the colonial West during the 18th century, many were impressed by its modern civilization and tried to emulate it

 

If the evil carnage we witnessed on Sept. 11 were typical of the faith, and Islam truly inspired and justified such violence, its growth and the increasing presence of Muslims in both Europe and the U.S. would be a terrifying prospect. Fortunately, this is not the case.

 

When the Prophet Muhammad brought the inspired scripture known as the Koran to the Arabs in the early 7th century A.D., a major part of his mission was devoted precisely to bringing an end to the kind of mass slaughter we witnessed in New York City and Washington. Pre-Islamic Arabia was caught up in a vicious cycle of warfare, in which tribe-fought tribe in a pattern of vendetta and counter vendetta. Muhammad himself survived several assassination attempts, and the early Muslim community narrowly escaped extermination by the powerful city of Mecca.

 

Extremists such as Osama bin Laden like to quote such verses but do so selectively. They do not include the exhortations to peace, which in almost every case follow these more ferocious passages: "Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them' (4: 90). In the Koran, therefore, the only permissible war is one of self-defense.

 

Muslims may not begin hostilities (2:190). Warfare is always evil, but sometimes you have to fight in order to avoid the kind of persecution that Mecca inflicted on the Muslims (2:191; 2: 217) or to preserve decent values (4: 75; 22: 40). like the Gospels, the Koran suggests that it is meritorious to forgo revenge in a spirit of charity (5: 45). Hostilities must be brought to an end as quickly as possible and must cease the minute the enemy sues for peace (2: 192-3).

 

Islam is not addicted to war, and jihad is not one of its 'pillars," or essential practices. The primary meaning of the word jihad is not "holy war' but "struggle." It refers to the difficult effort that is needed to put God's will into practice at every level personal and social as well as political. A very important and much quoted tradition has Muhammad telling his companions as they go home after a battle, "We are returning from the lesser jihad [the battle] to the greater jihad,' the far more urgent and momentous task of extirpating wrongdoing from one's own society and one's own heart.

 

Islam did not impose itself by the sword. In a statement in which the Arabic is extremely emphatic, the Koran insists, "There must be no coercion in matters of faith!" (2: 256). Constantly Muslims are enjoined to respect Jews and Christians, the "People of the Book" who worship the same God (29:46). In words quoted by Muhammad in one of his last public sermons, God tells all human beings, "O people! We have formed you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another" (49:13)-not to conquer, convert, subjugate, revile or slaughter but to reach out toward others with intelligence and understanding.

 

So why the suicide bombing, the hijacking and the massacre of innocent civilians? Far from being endorsed by the Koran, this killing violates some of its most sacred precepts. But during the 20th century, the militant form of piety often known as fundamentalism erupted in every major religion as a rebellion against modernity. Every fundamentalist movement I have studied in Judaism, Christianity and Islam is convinced that liberal, secular society is determined to wipe out religion. Fighting, as they imagine, a battle for survival, fundamentalists often feel justified in ignoring the more compassionate principles of their faith. But in amplifying the more aggressive passages that exist in all our scriptures, they distort the tradition.

It would be as grave a mistake to see Osama bin Laden as an authentic representative of Islam as to consider James Kopp, the alleged killer of an abortion provider in Buffalo, N.Y., a typical Christian or Baruch Goldstein, who shot 29 worshipers in the Hebron mosque in 1994 and died in the attack, a true martyr of Israel. The vast majority of Muslims, who are horrified by the atrocity of Sept. 11, must reclaim their faith from those who have so violently hijacked it.

Islam is the reason why people are living in terror these days, regardless of how many people are good or bad.

Hameater

 

I think you grossly underestimate the support that islamic terrorists get amongst the muslim world community. We can only speculate on this, but for example in a country like Indonesia surveys were undertaken about a year ago asking their opinions on the Bali bombings, Sept 11 etc, and found the MAJORITY supported the terrorists and their actions.

 

This was a shock because we had been told that the majority of muslims didn't support the acts and that it was just a relatively small number of terrorists from the islamic community causing the trouble. You'll find as you travel the ME widespread support for the terrorists. I've watched a number of docos where people on the street have been asked for their honest opinions, and they support the terrorists - they are islamic heros.

 

As for the idea that islam isn't spread by the sword, there are many examples in the Koran where mohammed used force (often lethal) to convert people. Step 1 - offer them the free choice, Step 2- use violence (the sword). Would you like me to repost the stories from the koran where mohammed ordered people killed because they dared to speak against islam and not convert?

Well, the point is... I'm a Muslim, I'm not a terrorist, nor do I support terrorism. Infact I hate it more than anything in the world... And the fact is, I am a good Muslim and it pisses people off that I don't support terrorism yet I am a Muslim. Hey, isn't that a good thing... I don't hold shit against people for their religion yet it happens to me because I declare a state of faith. Does this now proove to you who is really the one being persecuted? I don't expect anything from anyone at all yet it's only courteous... Fact is, people scold me more than they do a terrorist... And I am not just talking about myself I am talking about many other Muslims.

As for the idea that islam isn't spread by the sword, there are many examples in the Koran where mohammed used force (often lethal) to convert people. Step 1 - offer them the free choice, Step 2- use violence (the sword). Would you like me to repost the stories from the koran where mohammed ordered people killed because they dared to speak against islam and not convert?

 

Do you really expect me to believe them? And what will it change? Obviously, it's most likley to be biased and again and again, why would someone like Karen Armstrong want to correct the image of Islam and the Prophet in the West... Becuase she knows and she is educated on it. She has been researching for years and it's all into one book. You should really read it. I don't mean to sound like a poon, but it's a damn good book.

 

It pisses me off, when people like me, have to take loads of shit because of terrorists and all that BS, when we are just like everyone else... Thats what pisses me off..

HAZMA, your clouding the issue by trying to work to much into it. You mentioned a few christian individuals that commited murder in the name of their religion. What seperates this from the growing hatred of muslims is easy to spot. Many many muslim clerics and muslim religious/political heads actively support the terrorist element. Why is this so hard for so many to see? Ya, christians do crazy shit and do it in the name of their god. So do many members of many various religions around the world. But what makes Islam stand out is the un-parralelled support, both financialy and verbaly, it gets from muslim leaders. If your a muslim, then your part of the problem because you affiliate yourself with such murderous leaders. Denounce your religion for the murderous course its on, seperating yourself from the #1 threat to world peace. As a world community we would be so close to actualy achieving world peace if Islam and its deranged followers did not exist.

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004102822.asp

 

I'm sick of hearing Muslims cry about how unfair it is for them to be racially profiled. Check this link out, it lists Muslim terrorist activities dating back to 1968.

 

I'm sick of hearing anyone cry. That's why I dont watch the news anymore. Racial profiling is never going to cease because there are enough ignorant people out there to keep fucking thinking that just because someone is a specific race that they have to go and think the worst about them. Its horeshit but it'll always be like this.

HAZMA, your clouding the issue by trying to work to much into it. You mentioned a few christian individuals that commited murder in the name of their religion. What seperates this from the growing hatred of muslims is easy to spot. Many many muslim clerics and muslim religious/political heads actively support the terrorist element. Why is this so hard for so many to see? Ya, christians do crazy shit and do it in the name of their god. So do many members of many various religions around the world. But what makes Islam stand out is the un-parralelled support, both financialy and verbaly, it gets from muslim leaders. If your a muslim, then your part of the problem because you affiliate yourself with such murderous leaders. Denounce your religion for the murderous course its on, seperating yourself from the #1 threat to world peace. As a world community we would be so close to actualy achieving world peace if Islam and its deranged followers did not exist.

 

The only people I denounce are murderers, terrorists, extremists, and people who condone it... I said this before, thats all I need to do and know. And by denouncing these people, if I need to defend why I do so, verbally in a debate, I will.

HAZMA, your clouding the issue by trying to work to much into it. You mentioned a few christian individuals that commited murder in the name of their religion. What seperates this from the growing hatred of muslims is easy to spot. Many many muslim clerics and muslim religious/political heads actively support the terrorist element. Why is this so hard for so many to see? Ya, christians do crazy shit and do it in the name of their god. So do many members of many various religions around the world. But what makes Islam stand out is the un-parralelled support, both financialy and verbaly, it gets from muslim leaders. If your a muslim, then your part of the problem because you affiliate yourself with such murderous leaders. Denounce your religion for the murderous course its on, seperating yourself from the #1 threat to world peace. As a world community we would be so close to actualy achieving world peace if Islam and its deranged followers did not exist.

 

The only people I denounce are murderers, terrorists, extremists, and people who condone it... I said this before, thats all I need to do and know. And by denouncing these people, if I need to defend why I do so, verbally in a debate, I will.

 

I affiliate my self with god, and the Qur'an. Not Osama, not Kadafi, or any other murderer on this planet.

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004102822.asp

 

I'm sick of hearing Muslims cry about how unfair it is for them to be racially profiled. Check this link out, it lists Muslim terrorist activities dating back to 1968.

I agree! That we should start racial profiling. I think about 80% of crime can be prevented if the police would start doing that. But there's to many groups like the NAACP that fight against it.

The only people I denounce are murderers, terrorists, extremists, and people who condone it... I said this before, thats all I need to do and know. And by denouncing these people, if I need to defend why I do so, verbally in a debate, I will.

 

I affiliate my self with god, and the Qur'an. Not Osama, not Kadafi, or any other murderer on this planet.

I got it the first time!

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004102822.asp

 

I'm sick of hearing Muslims cry about how unfair it is for them to be racially profiled. Check this link out, it lists Muslim terrorist activities dating back to 1968.

 

Here is an e-mail I got a while back. It has an abbreviated list of the activities in the above link but It relates to this thread.

 

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the

following multiple choice test. The events are actual

events from history. They actually happened!!!

 

Do you remember?

 

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by

 

a. Superman

b. Jay Leno

c. Harry Potter

d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

 

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were

kidnapped and massacred by

 

a. Olga Corbett

b. Sitting Bull

c. Arnold Schwarzenegger

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

 

a. Lost Norwegians

b. Elvis

c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were

kidnapped in Lebanon by:

 

a. John Dillinger

b. The King of Sweden

c. The Boy Scouts

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown

up by:

 

a. A pizza delivery boy

b. Pee Wee Herman

c. Geraldo Rivera

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked

and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and

thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

 

a. The Smurfs

b. Davy Jones

c. The Little Mermaid

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and

a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was

murdered by:

 

a. Captain Kidd

b. Charles Lindberg

c. Mother Teresa

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

 

a. Scooby Doo

b. The Tooth Fairy

c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first

time by:

 

a. Richard Simmons

b. Grandma Moses

c. Michael Jordan

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania

were bombed by:

 

a. Mr. Rogers

b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild

Bill's women problems

c. The World Wrestling Federation

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were

used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers

and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US

Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the

passengers.

Thousands of people were killed by:

 

a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer

Fudd

b. The Supreme Court of Florida

c. Mr. Bean

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in

Afghanistan against:

 

a. Enron

b. The Lutheran Church

c. The NFL

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and

murdered by:

 

a. Bonnie and Clyde

b. Captain Kangaroo

c. Billy Graham

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

Nope, ..I really don't see a pattern here to justify

profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never

offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing

us, airport security screeners will no longer be

allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct

random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids,

airline pilots with proper identification, secret

agents who are members of the President's security

detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and

Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss,

but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40

alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

 

Let's send this to as many people as we can so that

dunder-headed attorneys along with Federal Justices that

want to thwart common sense, feel doubly ashamed of

themselves -- if they have any such sense. As the writer

of the award winning story 'Forrest Gump' so aptly put it,

"Stupid is as stupid does."

 

Come on people wake up!!! Keep this going. Pass it on

to everyone in your address book. Our country and our

troops need our support.

 

Oh, by the way, guess who just bombed

London...twice???

Hmm lets see...

 

I wonder who's mainly responsible for 30,000 Iraqi Civilian Deaths ??

 

I can ask the same kind of questions for other races and religions...

 

Here, listen to the Jordanian King's Take on the war on terror and what he has to say about the difference between Islam, and Terrorists. The king is a very smart man, and he is a perfect example of the way Islam is supposed to be and my POV of it. The real way. I suggest you REALLY watch this video becuase he basically has my whole argument said in the interview.

 

 

Please Watch This.

http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/world/2005/11/12/sadler.jordan.king.abdullah.cnn

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

 

a. Lost Norwegians

b. Elvis

c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

And in 1953, Time magazine's Man of the Year, democratically elected Iranian President Dr. Mahommed Mossedegh was ousted by the CIA, and kept under house arrest until his death. The tyrannical sadistic, murderous puppet, the Shah of Iran, was imposed on the Iranian people by the US government.

 

Paybacks are a beeotch.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in

Afghanistan against:

 

a. Enron

b. The Lutheran Church

c. The NFL

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

 

Not to be forgetting that the Taliban was funded by the CIA through Pakistani officials, and trained by the CIA in geurilla warfare to assist the Cold War effort against the Russians. Oh, did I mention that the Koran was translated into new languages, and distributed into new lands, along with propaganda films depicting the Russians committing atrocities?

 

The only mistake the US made was leaving these people in the lurch after their mission was successful.

 

Sorry, the big mistake was teaching them how to cripple a superpower with little more than a handful of extremists, some shoulder-held rocket launchers, and hate-fueled conviction.

Do you remember?

 

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by

 

a. Superman

b. Jay Leno

c. Harry Potter

d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

 

You forgot the obvious choice.

 

You heard in this courtroom in recent weeks eye-witness after eye-witness after eye-witness, and, above all, you saw an eye-witness which was indifferent to power -- the Zapruder film. The lens of the camera is indifferent to power, and it tells you what happened, and that is one of the reasons two hundred million Americans have not seen the Zapruder film.

 

They should have seen it many times. They should know exactly what happened. They should know what you know now. Why hasn't this come into being if there hasn't been government fraud?

 

Of course there has. But I am telling you that I think we can do something about it. I think that there are still enough Americans left in this country to make it continue to be America. I think that we can still fight authoritarianism: the government's insistence on secrecy, the government force used in counter-attacks against an honest inquiry; and when we do that we are not being un-American, we are being American, because it isn't easy, and you are sticking your neck out in a rather prominent way, but it has to be done, because truth does not come into being automatically. Justice does not happen automatically.

 

Individual men, like the members of my staff here, have to work and fight to make it happen, and individual men like you have to make justice come into being, because otherwise it doesn't happen. And what I am trying to tell you is that there are forces in America today, unfortunately, which are not in favor of the truth coming out about John Kennedy's assassination. As long as our government continues to be like that, as long as such forces can get away with these kind of actions, then this is no longer the country in which we were born.

 

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