Yeah, I saw the ones you're talking about a while ago on eBay. Nothing in there now, hopefully someone will have a reasonably priced used tireball brand or I can locate the guy who was making them. Thanks!I want to say I've seen them in eBay... Some one was making them and said they were cheaper then buying one from who ever markets them. Still might have been over a hundred bucks? I have no idea what's a good deal on those..