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"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1999@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 3, 1:43 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

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On Dec 3, 1:26 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > > > "Shuurai" <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > On Dec 3, 1:04 pm, SteveL <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com>

wrote:

> > > > > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

> >

> > > > > > <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> >

> > > > > > >> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader

is

> > > > > > >> understandable.

> > > > > > >More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

> >

> > > > > > He asked the people through a referendum if he could have more

power

> > > > > > and the people said no through the ballot box.

> >

> > > > > Saddam had elections, too, and routinely won 100% of the vote. Do

you

> > > > > actually believe those elections meant anything?

> >

> > > > Pretty common in the former communist block as well.

> > > Pretty common in the fantasyland inhabited by right-wing loons, as

> > > well.

> >

> > This person you characterize as a "right wing loon" has actually

talked

> > to people (literally, face to face) with people who were there and knew

> > _exactly_ how those "referendums" in the former Soviet Union and other

> > Warsaw Pact nations were handled--who had actually voted in some of

them.

> >

> > What's your experience? What's your evidence?

> >

> > Do you actually have any or is your argument style just to take

> > contentless pot-shots at people who disagree with you? You do know what

the

> > fallacy of an "argument ad hominem" is, don't you?

> >

> > Your implication, via the "how many" question, that dictators don't

hold

> > referendums stands refuted by example.

> >

> > --

> > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com-- Back from hiatus!

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>

> Judging from your inability to string together more than three words

> in sequence with correct english syntax, I'm a bit skeptical regarding

> your ability to grasp the issues involved. I'm assuming, simply from

> the name you use, that you are in fact a native english speaker.

> Otherwise, I would have assumed you were actually from one of the

> former Soviet Republics, and had had limited educational opportunities

> there.

 

<Snort>

My editors seem to have a different opinion.

 

You do realize you continue to engage in argument ad hominem, don't you?

 

You do realize that is a logical fallacy, don't you.

 

You do realize that you are undermining your own position with every post

you make, don't you?

 

Actually, you probably don't.

 

--

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mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

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Guest Jerry Kraus

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On Dec 3, 2:09 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:d84d8525-9a7a-473e-9393-627e01cb8d01@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...> On Dec 3, 1:43 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:2a7edc23-a929-49e8-94a8-66dac6ac9dbd@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...>

> On Dec 3, 1:26 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:> > > > "Shuurai" <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:524be4bd-5334-420b-831c-c38bb5728bd9@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > > On Dec 3, 1:04 pm, SteveL <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

>

> > > > > > > <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

>

> > > > > > > >> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader

> is

> > > > > > > >> understandable.

> > > > > > > >More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

>

> > > > > > > He asked the people through a referendum if he could have more

> power

> > > > > > > and the people said no through the ballot box.

>

> > > > > > Saddam had elections, too, and routinely won 100% of the vote. Do

> you

> > > > > > actually believe those elections meant anything?

>

> > > > > Pretty common in the former communist block as well.

> > > > Pretty common in the fantasyland inhabited by right-wing loons, as

> > > > well.

>

> > > This person you characterize as a "right wing loon" has actually

> talked

> > > to people (literally, face to face) with people who were there and knew

> > > _exactly_ how those "referendums" in the former Soviet Union and other

> > > Warsaw Pact nations were handled--who had actually voted in some of

> them.

>

> > > What's your experience? What's your evidence?

>

> > > Do you actually have any or is your argument style just to take

> > > contentless pot-shots at people who disagree with you? You do know what

> the

> > > fallacy of an "argument ad hominem" is, don't you?

>

> > > Your implication, via the "how many" question, that dictators don't

> hold

> > > referendums stands refuted by example.

>

> > > --

> > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Back from hiatus!

> > > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

>

> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > Judging from your inability to string together more than three words

> > in sequence with correct english syntax, I'm a bit skeptical regarding

> > your ability to grasp the issues involved. I'm assuming, simply from

> > the name you use, that you are in fact a native english speaker.

> > Otherwise, I would have assumed you were actually from one of the

> > former Soviet Republics, and had had limited educational opportunities

> > there.

>

> <Snort>

> My editors seem to have a different opinion.

>

> You do realize you continue to engage in argument ad hominem, don't you?

>

> You do realize that is a logical fallacy, don't you.

>

> You do realize that you are undermining your own position with every post

> you make, don't you?

>

> Actually, you probably don't.

>

> --

> David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com-- Back from hiatus!

> Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Mind specifying who your "editors" are, and where you are published?

Jeez, they must have their work cut out for them! You can't write

worth a damn!

Guest Herbert Cannon

Guest Herbert Cannon

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>> Actually, I think the appeal of guns is essentially fascist.

 

Yes facist can take over if they have guns. That is why it appeals to them

that I dont have them.

Guest Jerry Kraus

Guest Jerry Kraus

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On Dec 3, 2:13 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> >> Actually, I think the appeal of guns is essentially fascist.

>

> Yes facist can take over if they have guns. That is why it appeals to them

> that I dont have them.

 

You know, I hear the "Harry Potter" books make excellent reading

material for adults with limited literacy, trying to improve their

reading and writing skills. You might take them out from the library

sometime. You do know what a library is, don't you?

Guest SteveL

Guest SteveL

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:23:47 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

<hcannon18@cox.net> wrote:

>

>"SteveL" <stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message

>news:HLCdndji4KiO2MnanZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@giganews.com...

>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

>> <hcannon18@cox.net> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader is

>>>> understandable.

>>>More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

>>

>> He asked the people through a referendum if he could have more power

>> and the people said no through the ballot box.

>>

>> And now you call him a "dictator" - as if dictators hold referenda!

>

>Well Saddam was elected with 100 % of the vote and now look at Putin back in

>like Flynn. Tell me the KGB does not control Russia.

 

Are you claiming Chavez rigged the poll?

Guest Jerry Kraus

Guest Jerry Kraus

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On Dec 3, 2:13 pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 3, 2:09 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:d84d8525-9a7a-473e-9393-627e01cb8d01@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...> On Dec 3, 1:43 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:2a7edc23-a929-49e8-94a8-66dac6ac9dbd@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...>

> > On Dec 3, 1:26 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:> > > > "Shuurai" <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:524be4bd-5334-420b-831c-c38bb5728bd9@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>

> > > > > > > On Dec 3, 1:04 pm, SteveL <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

>

> > > > > > > > <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

>

> > > > > > > > >> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader

> > is

> > > > > > > > >> understandable.

> > > > > > > > >More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

>

> > > > > > > > He asked the people through a referendum if he could have more

> > power

> > > > > > > > and the people said no through the ballot box.

>

> > > > > > > Saddam had elections, too, and routinely won 100% of the vote. Do

> > you

> > > > > > > actually believe those elections meant anything?

>

> > > > > > Pretty common in the former communist block as well.

> > > > > Pretty common in the fantasyland inhabited by right-wing loons, as

> > > > > well.

>

> > > > This person you characterize as a "right wing loon" has actually

> > talked

> > > > to people (literally, face to face) with people who were there and knew

> > > > _exactly_ how those "referendums" in the former Soviet Union and other

> > > > Warsaw Pact nations were handled--who had actually voted in some of

> > them.

>

> > > > What's your experience? What's your evidence?

>

> > > > Do you actually have any or is your argument style just to take

> > > > contentless pot-shots at people who disagree with you? You do know what

> > the

> > > > fallacy of an "argument ad hominem" is, don't you?

>

> > > > Your implication, via the "how many" question, that dictators don't

> > hold

> > > > referendums stands refuted by example.

>

> > > > --

> > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Backfrom hiatus!

> > > > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

>

> > > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > > Judging from your inability to string together more than three words

> > > in sequence with correct english syntax, I'm a bit skeptical regarding

> > > your ability to grasp the issues involved. I'm assuming, simply from

> > > the name you use, that you are in fact a native english speaker.

> > > Otherwise, I would have assumed you were actually from one of the

> > > former Soviet Republics, and had had limited educational opportunities

> > > there.

>

> > <Snort>

> > My editors seem to have a different opinion.

>

> > You do realize you continue to engage in argument ad hominem, don't you?

>

> > You do realize that is a logical fallacy, don't you.

>

> > You do realize that you are undermining your own position with every post

> > you make, don't you?

>

> > Actually, you probably don't.

>

> > --

> > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Back from hiatus!

> > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> Mind specifying who your "editors" are, and where you are published?

> Jeez, they must have their work cut out for them! You can't write

> worth a damn!- Hide quoted text -

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> - Show quoted text -

 

http://www.sff.net/people/dburkhead/

 

Oh, here we are. Well, I guess morons appeal to morons. Lowest

common denominator, and all that. Explains why our economy is going

into the toilet at the moment, with imbeciles like you presenting

themselves as authorities!

Guest Shuurai

Guest Shuurai

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>

> Well, I suppose guns can be used as a means of coercion, based on the

> threat of killing.

 

Sure... you can, for example, coerce someone into not taking your

wallet, or you can coerce them into leaving your home without

harming you or your family, or taking any of your hard earned

possessions.

> That seems to be the essential attraction of them

> to the gun lobby.

 

It's certainly one of the uses; preferable in fact to actually killing

someone.

> They aren't really a means of obtaining food

> anymore, for the vast majority of the population, the vast majority of

> the time.

 

I hunt every year; fresh game is better than anything you'll buy in

the grocery store. It also serves to limit animal populations.

> Actually, I think the appeal of guns is essentially fascist. "Hey

> I've got a gun!!! You can't mess with me!!!" Sounds pretty Freudian

> to me. Like they're missing something somewhere else!

 

Based on that statment I am very confident in saying that you don't

know what the words "fascist" or "Freudian" even mean. You're

throwing those terms out there for the exact same reason you threw out

the reference to Iraq a bit earlier: You are incapable of actually

making (or even having) an intelligent argument, so you blurt out

whatever bumper-sticker bullshit that comes to mind. Your strategy is

to throw as much shit around as you can in the hopes that some of it

sticks.

 

You are nothing more than a weak-minded, inept and impotent little

troll.

Guest David L. Burkhead

Guest David L. Burkhead

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"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1999@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 3, 2:09 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

 

[ 8< ]

> > > Judging from your inability to string together more than three words

> > > in sequence with correct english syntax, I'm a bit skeptical regarding

> > > your ability to grasp the issues involved. I'm assuming, simply from

> > > the name you use, that you are in fact a native english speaker.

> > > Otherwise, I would have assumed you were actually from one of the

> > > former Soviet Republics, and had had limited educational opportunities

> > > there.

> >

> > <Snort>

> > My editors seem to have a different opinion.

> >

> > You do realize you continue to engage in argument ad hominem, don't you?

> >

> > You do realize that is a logical fallacy, don't you.

> >

> > You do realize that you are undermining your own position with every

post

> > you make, don't you?

> >

> > Actually, you probably don't.

> >

> > --

> > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com-- Back from hiatus!

> > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> Mind specifying who your "editors" are, and where you are published?

> Jeez, they must have their work cut out for them! You can't write

> worth a damn!

 

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?David_L._Burkhead

 

Your pot-shots, completely devoid of content as they are, are hardly

compelling.

 

 

The problem isn't that I can't write, it appears to be that you can't

read.

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

My webcomic Cold Servings

http://www.coldservings.com -- Back from hiatus!

Updates Wednesdays

Guest Jerry Kraus

Guest Jerry Kraus

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Posted

On Dec 3, 2:19 pm, SteveL <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:23:47 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

>

>

>

>

>

> <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

>

> >"SteveL" <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message

> >news:HLCdndji4KiO2MnanZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@giganews.com...

> >> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

> >> <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

>

> >>>> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader is

> >>>> understandable.

> >>>More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

>

> >> He asked the people through a referendum if he could have more power

> >> and the people said no through the ballot box.

>

> >> And now you call him a "dictator" - as if dictators hold referenda!

>

> >Well Saddam was elected with 100 % of the vote and now look at Putin back in

> >like Flynn. Tell me the KGB does not control Russia.

>

> Are you claiming Chavez rigged the poll?- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

He's not claiming anything. He's too stupid to claim anything. He's

just rambling. Unfortunately we have professional right-wing moron

writers like David L. Burkhead telling him how brilliant he is, the

more he rambles. Explains why the country is so screwed up at the

moment, to some extent.

Guest David L. Burkhead

Guest David L. Burkhead

Posted
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"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1999@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:03b28d0c-e100-4d9f-984d-92c0eb704fa1@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> On Dec 3, 2:13 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> > >> Actually, I think the appeal of guns is essentially fascist.

> >

> > Yes facist can take over if they have guns. That is why it appeals to

them

> > that I dont have them.

>

> You know, I hear the "Harry Potter" books make excellent reading

> material for adults with limited literacy, trying to improve their

> reading and writing skills. You might take them out from the library

> sometime. You do know what a library is, don't you?

 

It's truly remarkable that someone capable of writing the above

paragraph has the umitigated gall to question/deny the syntactical ability

of others.

 

Of course you _heard_ it. A functional illiterate such as yourself

couldn't possibly have _read_ it.

 

It's not like you've provided any content.

 

The only question that remains is whether you'll remain an entertaining

troll like several of our RMA regulars or if you'll simply be boring and

soon find your way into everyone's killfile.

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

My webcomic Cold Servings

http://www.coldservings.com -- Back from hiatus!

Updates Wednesdays

Guest SteveL

Guest SteveL

Posted
Posted

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:01:36 -0800 (PST), Shuurai

<Shuurai11@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 3, 1:04 pm, SteveL <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote:

>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

>>

>> <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

>>

>> >> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader is

>> >> understandable.

>> >More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

>>

>> He asked the people through a referendum if he could have more power

>> and the people said no through the ballot box.

>

>Saddam had elections, too, and routinely won 100% of the vote. Do you

>actually believe those elections meant anything?

 

Are you saying a defining characteristic of a dictatorship is to hold

referenda?

 

Or to rig them?

 

Do you think Chavez rigged this referendum?

 

If so, how do you explain the defeat?

 

If not, then you'd have to admit your comparison with those who do rig

votes is somewhat off the mark

Guest David L. Burkhead

Guest David L. Burkhead

Posted
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"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1999@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:e8712395-04fe-4693-ba84-f776ab07d4e5@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> On Dec 3, 2:13 pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Dec 3, 2:09 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

>news:d84d8525-9a7a-473e-9393-627e01cb8d01@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...>

On Dec 3, 1:43 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > > > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

>news:2a7edc23-a929-49e8-94a8-66dac6ac9dbd@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...>

> > > On Dec 3, 1:26 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:> > >

> "Shuurai" <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

>news:524be4bd-5334-420b-831c-c38bb5728bd9@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> >

> > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 1:04 pm, SteveL

<steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

> >

> > > > > > > > > <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic

leader

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > >> understandable.

> > > > > > > > > >More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

> >

> > > > > > > > > He asked the people through a referendum if he could have

more

> > > power

> > > > > > > > > and the people said no through the ballot box.

> >

> > > > > > > > Saddam had elections, too, and routinely won 100% of the

vote. Do

> > > you

> > > > > > > > actually believe those elections meant anything?

> >

> > > > > > > Pretty common in the former communist block as well.

> > > > > > Pretty common in the fantasyland inhabited by right-wing loons,

as

> > > > > > well.

> >

> > > > > This person you characterize as a "right wing loon" has

actually

> > > talked

> > > > > to people (literally, face to face) with people who were there and

knew

> > > > > _exactly_ how those "referendums" in the former Soviet Union and

other

> > > > > Warsaw Pact nations were handled--who had actually voted in some

of

> > > them.

> >

> > > > > What's your experience? What's your evidence?

> >

> > > > > Do you actually have any or is your argument style just to

take

> > > > > contentless pot-shots at people who disagree with you? You do

know what

> > > the

> > > > > fallacy of an "argument ad hominem" is, don't you?

> >

> > > > > Your implication, via the "how many" question, that dictators

don't

> > > hold

> > > > > referendums stands refuted by example.

> >

> > > > > --

> > > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Backfrom

hiatus!

> > > > > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > > > > - Show quoted text -

> >

> > > > Judging from your inability to string together more than three words

> > > > in sequence with correct english syntax, I'm a bit skeptical

regarding

> > > > your ability to grasp the issues involved. I'm assuming, simply

from

> > > > the name you use, that you are in fact a native english speaker.

> > > > Otherwise, I would have assumed you were actually from one of the

> > > > former Soviet Republics, and had had limited educational

opportunities

> > > > there.

> >

> > > <Snort>

> > > My editors seem to have a different opinion.

> >

> > > You do realize you continue to engage in argument ad hominem, don't

you?

> >

> > > You do realize that is a logical fallacy, don't you.

> >

> > > You do realize that you are undermining your own position with every

post

> > > you make, don't you?

> >

> > > Actually, you probably don't.

> >

> > > --

> > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Back from

hiatus!

> > > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > > - Show quoted text -

> >

> > Mind specifying who your "editors" are, and where you are published?

> > Jeez, they must have their work cut out for them! You can't write

> > worth a damn!- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> http://www.sff.net/people/dburkhead/

>

> Oh, here we are. Well, I guess morons appeal to morons. Lowest

> common denominator, and all that. Explains why our economy is going

> into the toilet at the moment, with imbeciles like you presenting

> themselves as authorities!

 

And yet you don't even have that much. Must be frustrating. I can

understand why you are so bitter.

 

(BTW, I guess you can't follow links any better than you can read if you

think I was talking about my personal web page.)

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

My webcomic Cold Servings

http://www.coldservings.com -- Back from hiatus!

Updates Wednesdays

Guest Jerry Kraus

Guest Jerry Kraus

Posted
Posted

On Dec 3, 2:29 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:e8712395-04fe-4693-ba84-f776ab07d4e5@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...> On Dec 3, 2:13 pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Dec 3, 2:09 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

>

> > > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:d84d8525-9a7a-473e-9393-627e01cb8d01@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...>

>

> On Dec 3, 1:43 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:> > > > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:2a7edc23-a929-49e8-94a8-66dac6ac9dbd@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...>

> > > > On Dec 3, 1:26 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:> > >

> > "Shuurai" <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:524be4bd-5334-420b-831c-c38bb5728bd9@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>

> > > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 1:04 pm, SteveL

>

> <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

>

> > > > > > > > > > <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

>

> > > > > > > > > > >> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic

> leader

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >> understandable.

> > > > > > > > > > >More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

>

> > > > > > > > > > He asked the people through a referendum if he could have

> more

> > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > and the people said no through the ballot box.

>

> > > > > > > > > Saddam had elections, too, and routinely won 100% of the

> vote. Do

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > > actually believe those elections meant anything?

>

> > > > > > > > Pretty common in the former communist block as well.

> > > > > > > Pretty common in the fantasyland inhabited by right-wing loons,

> as

> > > > > > > well.

>

> > > > > > This person you characterize as a "right wing loon" has

> actually

> > > > talked

> > > > > > to people (literally, face to face) with people who were there and

> knew

> > > > > > _exactly_ how those "referendums" in the former Soviet Union and

> other

> > > > > > Warsaw Pact nations were handled--who had actually voted in some

> of

> > > > them.

>

> > > > > > What's your experience? What's your evidence?

>

> > > > > > Do you actually have any or is your argument style just to

> take

> > > > > > contentless pot-shots at people who disagree with you? You do

> know what

> > > > the

> > > > > > fallacy of an "argument ad hominem" is, don't you?

>

> > > > > > Your implication, via the "how many" question, that dictators

> don't

> > > > hold

> > > > > > referendums stands refuted by example.

>

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Backfrom

> hiatus!

> > > > > > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

>

> > > > > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > > > > Judging from your inability to string together more than three words

> > > > > in sequence with correct english syntax, I'm a bit skeptical

> regarding

> > > > > your ability to grasp the issues involved. I'm assuming, simply

> from

> > > > > the name you use, that you are in fact a native english speaker.

> > > > > Otherwise, I would have assumed you were actually from one of the

> > > > > former Soviet Republics, and had had limited educational

> opportunities

> > > > > there.

>

> > > > <Snort>

> > > > My editors seem to have a different opinion.

>

> > > > You do realize you continue to engage in argument ad hominem, don't

> you?

>

> > > > You do realize that is a logical fallacy, don't you.

>

> > > > You do realize that you are undermining your own position with every

> post

> > > > you make, don't you?

>

> > > > Actually, you probably don't.

>

> > > > --

> > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Backfrom

> hiatus!

> > > > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

>

> > > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > > Mind specifying who your "editors" are, and where you are published?

> > > Jeez, they must have their work cut out for them! You can't write

> > > worth a damn!- Hide quoted text -

>

> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> >http://www.sff.net/people/dburkhead/

>

> > Oh, here we are. Well, I guess morons appeal to morons. Lowest

> > common denominator, and all that. Explains why our economy is going

> > into the toilet at the moment, with imbeciles like you presenting

> > themselves as authorities!

>

> And yet you don't even have that much. Must be frustrating. I can

> understand why you are so bitter.

>

> (BTW, I guess you can't follow links any better than you can read if you

> think I was talking about my personal web page.)

>

> --

> David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com-- Back from hiatus!

> Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

David, you are living proof that "writing" is 99% marketing, 1%

writing!

 

Although, I'll admit, J.K. Rowling has you beat. 99.99999999%

marketing, .00000001% writing!

Guest David L. Burkhead

Guest David L. Burkhead

Posted
Posted

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1999@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:b080fe99-e49f-45cd-a381-0e863ad90f8c@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> On Dec 3, 2:19 pm, SteveL <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote:

> > On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:23:47 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> >

> > >"SteveL" <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message

> > >news:HLCdndji4KiO2MnanZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@giganews.com...

> > >> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

> > >> <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> >

> > >>>> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader is

> > >>>> understandable.

> > >>>More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

> >

> > >> He asked the people through a referendum if he could have more power

> > >> and the people said no through the ballot box.

> >

> > >> And now you call him a "dictator" - as if dictators hold referenda!

> >

> > >Well Saddam was elected with 100 % of the vote and now look at Putin

back in

> > >like Flynn. Tell me the KGB does not control Russia.

> >

> > Are you claiming Chavez rigged the poll?- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> He's not claiming anything. He's too stupid to claim anything. He's

> just rambling. Unfortunately we have professional right-wing moron

> writers like David L. Burkhead telling him how brilliant he is, the

> more he rambles. Explains why the country is so screwed up at the

> moment, to some extent.

 

The fact that you can neither read nor write would certainly make it seem

so.

 

Fortunately, most of us don't live in the fantasy that you use in place of

reality.

 

And no, I'm not arguing with you--I'm making fun of you, since you haven't

said anything that actually counts as an argument--so claims of ad hominem

don't apply.

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

My webcomic Cold Servings

http://www.coldservings.com -- Back from hiatus!

Updates Wednesdays

Guest Bert Hyman

Guest Bert Hyman

Posted
Posted

stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote in

news:fbidnSt_ooRr-8nanZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@giganews.com:

> If so, how do you explain the defeat?

 

Chavez explained his defeat before the vote:

 

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=76796

 

CIA agents and foreign secret services in at least three

concrete subversive plots to destabilize the Chavez

government and obstructing the Referendum

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7470

 

On November 26, 2007 the Venezuelan government broadcast and

circulated a confidential memo from the US embassy to the CIA

which is devastatingly revealing of US clandestine operations

and which will influence the referendum this Sunday (December

2, 2007).

 

See?

 

--

Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com

Guest Jerry Kraus

Guest Jerry Kraus

Posted
Posted

On Dec 3, 2:33 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:b080fe99-e49f-45cd-a381-0e863ad90f8c@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>

>

>

>

>

> > On Dec 3, 2:19 pm, SteveL <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote:

> > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:23:47 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

>

> > > <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

>

> > > >"SteveL" <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message

> > > >news:HLCdndji4KiO2MnanZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@giganews.com...

> > > >> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

> > > >> <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

>

> > > >>>> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader is

> > > >>>> understandable.

> > > >>>More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

>

> > > >> He asked the people through a referendum if he could have more power

> > > >> and the people said no through the ballot box.

>

> > > >> And now you call him a "dictator" - as if dictators hold referenda!

>

> > > >Well Saddam was elected with 100 % of the vote and now look at Putin

> back in

> > > >like Flynn. Tell me the KGB does not control Russia.

>

> > > Are you claiming Chavez rigged the poll?- Hide quoted text -

>

> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > He's not claiming anything. He's too stupid to claim anything. He's

> > just rambling. Unfortunately we have professional right-wing moron

> > writers like David L. Burkhead telling him how brilliant he is, the

> > more he rambles. Explains why the country is so screwed up at the

> > moment, to some extent.

>

> The fact that you can neither read nor write would certainly make it seem

> so.

>

> Fortunately, most of us don't live in the fantasy that you use in place of

> reality.

>

> And no, I'm not arguing with you--I'm making fun of you, since you haven't

> said anything that actually counts as an argument--so claims of ad hominem

> don't apply.

>

> --

> David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com-- Back from hiatus!

> Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

David, are you trying to convey information of some type? If so, it

doesn't really come across that way.

Guest Herbert Cannon

Guest Herbert Cannon

Posted
Posted

Do you realize you have wandered into a news group where the only one not

capable of defending himself is you? Whadda a wimp.

Guest David L. Burkhead

Guest David L. Burkhead

Posted
Posted

"SteveL" <stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message

news:fbidnSt_ooRr-8nanZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@giganews.com...

> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:01:36 -0800 (PST), Shuurai

> <Shuurai11@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> >On Dec 3, 1:04 pm, SteveL <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote:

> >> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

> >>

> >> <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> >>

> >> >> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader is

> >> >> understandable.

> >> >More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

> >>

> >> He asked the people through a referendum if he could have more power

> >> and the people said no through the ballot box.

> >

> >Saddam had elections, too, and routinely won 100% of the vote. Do you

> >actually believe those elections meant anything?

>

> Are you saying a defining characteristic of a dictatorship is to hold

> referenda?

>

> Or to rig them?

 

It's more of a case that the presence or absense of referenda have

nothing to do with whether a govenment is a dictatorship. In a long

established totalitarian regime, (such at the late SH's), however, there's

no need to ever "lose" a referendum.

> Do you think Chavez rigged this referendum?

>

> If so, how do you explain the defeat?

>

> If not, then you'd have to admit your comparison with those who do rig

> votes is somewhat off the mark

 

Only if Chavez abides by, and continues to abide by, the outcome of the

referendum, and only if reprisals against those who voted against him don't

start popping up. We'll see.

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

My webcomic Cold Servings

http://www.coldservings.com -- Back from hiatus!

Updates Wednesdays

Guest David L. Burkhead

Guest David L. Burkhead

Posted
Posted

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1999@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:c5980fcd-6aa2-49ee-954c-5caa5ebd6058@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

> On Dec 3, 2:29 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

news:e8712395-04fe-4693-ba84-f776ab07d4e5@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...>

On Dec 3, 2:13 pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > On Dec 3, 2:09 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> >

> > > > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

>news:d84d8525-9a7a-473e-9393-627e01cb8d01@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...>

> >

> > On Dec 3, 1:43 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:> > > >

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

>news:2a7edc23-a929-49e8-94a8-66dac6ac9dbd@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...>

> > > > > On Dec 3, 1:26 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:>

> >

> > > "Shuurai" <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

>news:524be4bd-5334-420b-831c-c38bb5728bd9@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> >

> > > > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 1:04 pm, SteveL

> >

> > <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> The hatred of the right wing for this fine,

democratic

> > leader

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > >> understandable.

> > > > > > > > > > > >More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > He asked the people through a referendum if he could

have

> > more

> > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > and the people said no through the ballot box.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Saddam had elections, too, and routinely won 100% of the

> > vote. Do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > actually believe those elections meant anything?

> >

> > > > > > > > > Pretty common in the former communist block as well.

> > > > > > > > Pretty common in the fantasyland inhabited by right-wing

loons,

> > as

> > > > > > > > well.

> >

> > > > > > > This person you characterize as a "right wing loon" has

> > actually

> > > > > talked

> > > > > > > to people (literally, face to face) with people who were there

and

> > knew

> > > > > > > _exactly_ how those "referendums" in the former Soviet Union

and

> > other

> > > > > > > Warsaw Pact nations were handled--who had actually voted in

some

> > of

> > > > > them.

> >

> > > > > > > What's your experience? What's your evidence?

> >

> > > > > > > Do you actually have any or is your argument style just to

> > take

> > > > > > > contentless pot-shots at people who disagree with you? You do

> > know what

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > fallacy of an "argument ad hominem" is, don't you?

> >

> > > > > > > Your implication, via the "how many" question, that

dictators

> > don't

> > > > > hold

> > > > > > > referendums stands refuted by example.

> >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > > > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Backfrom

> > hiatus!

> > > > > > > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -

> >

> > > > > > Judging from your inability to string together more than three

words

> > > > > > in sequence with correct english syntax, I'm a bit skeptical

> > regarding

> > > > > > your ability to grasp the issues involved. I'm assuming, simply

> > from

> > > > > > the name you use, that you are in fact a native english speaker.

> > > > > > Otherwise, I would have assumed you were actually from one of

the

> > > > > > former Soviet Republics, and had had limited educational

> > opportunities

> > > > > > there.

> >

> > > > > <Snort>

> > > > > My editors seem to have a different opinion.

> >

> > > > > You do realize you continue to engage in argument ad hominem,

don't

> > you?

> >

> > > > > You do realize that is a logical fallacy, don't you.

> >

> > > > > You do realize that you are undermining your own position with

every

> > post

> > > > > you make, don't you?

> >

> > > > > Actually, you probably don't.

> >

> > > > > --

> > > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Backfrom

> > hiatus!

> > > > > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > > > > - Show quoted text -

> >

> > > > Mind specifying who your "editors" are, and where you are published?

> > > > Jeez, they must have their work cut out for them! You can't write

> > > > worth a damn!- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > > > - Show quoted text -

> >

> > >http://www.sff.net/people/dburkhead/

> >

> > > Oh, here we are. Well, I guess morons appeal to morons. Lowest

> > > common denominator, and all that. Explains why our economy is going

> > > into the toilet at the moment, with imbeciles like you presenting

> > > themselves as authorities!

> >

> > And yet you don't even have that much. Must be frustrating. I can

> > understand why you are so bitter.

> >

> > (BTW, I guess you can't follow links any better than you can read if you

> > think I was talking about my personal web page.)

> >

> > --

> > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com-- Back from hiatus!

> > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> David, you are living proof that "writing" is 99% marketing, 1%

> writing!

>

> Although, I'll admit, J.K. Rowling has you beat. 99.99999999%

> marketing, .00000001% writing!

 

And yet, you don't even have that. Must be frustrating.

 

If it's so easy, I can't wait to see your cv.

 

Take your time. We'll wait.

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

My webcomic Cold Servings

http://www.coldservings.com -- Back from hiatus!

Updates Wednesdays

Guest Jerry Kraus

Guest Jerry Kraus

Posted
Posted

On Dec 3, 2:35 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote innews:fbidnSt_ooRr-8nanZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@giganews.com:

>

> > If so, how do you explain the defeat?

>

> Chavez explained his defeat before the vote:

>

> http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=76796

>

> CIA agents and foreign secret services in at least three

> concrete subversive plots to destabilize the Chavez

> government and obstructing the Referendum

>

> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7470

>

> On November 26, 2007 the Venezuelan government broadcast and

> circulated a confidential memo from the US embassy to the CIA

> which is devastatingly revealing of US clandestine operations

> and which will influence the referendum this Sunday (December

> 2, 2007).

>

> See?

>

> --

> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

 

So, are these accurate? And to what extent? Personally, I wasn't

particularly in favor of these "reforms", which are somewhat

dictatorial.

 

Obviously, the U.S. is screwing around in Latin America as always, but

Bush's hands are tied in a number of ways these days. The bankrupted

U.S. economy, the overextended U.S. military and intelligence, the

increasing Chinese involvement in the South American economy etc. If

Chavez wants to be dictator, he can make himself dictator. I don't

think he really wants to. Or, he's ambivalent. Once we get rid of

Mr. Bush, things will improve, almost certainly. Extremes breed

extremes. Let's get back to the center.

Guest David L. Burkhead

Guest David L. Burkhead

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"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1999@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 3, 2:33 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

news:b080fe99-e49f-45cd-a381-0e863ad90f8c@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > On Dec 3, 2:19 pm, SteveL <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote:

> > > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:23:47 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

> >

> > > > <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> >

> > > > >"SteveL" <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message

> > > > >news:HLCdndji4KiO2MnanZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@giganews.com...

> > > > >> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:15:58 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"

> > > > >> <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> >

> > > > >>>> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader

is

> > > > >>>> understandable.

> > > > >>>More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:

> >

> > > > >> He asked the people through a referendum if he could have more

power

> > > > >> and the people said no through the ballot box.

> >

> > > > >> And now you call him a "dictator" - as if dictators hold

referenda!

> >

> > > > >Well Saddam was elected with 100 % of the vote and now look at

Putin

> > back in

> > > > >like Flynn. Tell me the KGB does not control Russia.

> >

> > > > Are you claiming Chavez rigged the poll?- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > > > - Show quoted text -

> >

> > > He's not claiming anything. He's too stupid to claim anything. He's

> > > just rambling. Unfortunately we have professional right-wing moron

> > > writers like David L. Burkhead telling him how brilliant he is, the

> > > more he rambles. Explains why the country is so screwed up at the

> > > moment, to some extent.

> >

> > The fact that you can neither read nor write would certainly make it

seem

> > so.

> >

> > Fortunately, most of us don't live in the fantasy that you use in place

of

> > reality.

> >

> > And no, I'm not arguing with you--I'm making fun of you, since you

haven't

> > said anything that actually counts as an argument--so claims of ad

hominem

> > don't apply.

> >

> > --

> > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com-- Back from hiatus!

> > Updates Wednesdays- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> David, are you trying to convey information of some type? If so, it

> doesn't really come across that way.

 

Actually, all I'm trying to do is to get you to continue to post. In so

doing, I get you to convey the information that you are a hopeless nobody

whose meaningless yapping is a failed attempt to generate some facimile of

self-esteem.

 

And so far, you do not dissapoint.

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

My webcomic Cold Servings

http://www.coldservings.com -- Back from hiatus!

Updates Wednesdays

Guest Jerry Kraus

Guest Jerry Kraus

Posted
Posted

On Dec 3, 2:46 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> jkraus1...@gmail.com (Jerry Kraus) wrote in news:489c2f67-1c9a-473a-

> 82e0-7101192d0...@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:

>

> > So,

>

> Why are you still reading my posts?

>

> --

> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

 

Well, Bert, you could complain to Google that I'm reading your posts

without your permission. I'm not sure what they would do about it,

but I'm sure they'd find the complaint interesting.

Guest SteveL

Guest SteveL

Posted
Posted

On 03 Dec 2007 20:35:40 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:

>stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote in

>news:fbidnSt_ooRr-8nanZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@giganews.com:

>

>> If so, how do you explain the defeat?

>

>Chavez explained his defeat before the vote:

>

>http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=76796

>

> CIA agents and foreign secret services in at least three

> concrete subversive plots to destabilize the Chavez

> government and obstructing the Referendum

>

>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7470

>

> On November 26, 2007 the Venezuelan government broadcast and

> circulated a confidential memo from the US embassy to the CIA

> which is devastatingly revealing of US clandestine operations

> and which will influence the referendum this Sunday (December

> 2, 2007).

>

>See?

 

The CIA has a history of doing just that in South America. So it

wouldn't be beyond the pale. But leaving that aside all I see is a

politician making excuses for a (predicted) defeat just like

politicians do everywhere.

 

You guys keep taking attributes of western democracies and their

politicians and pretending that when Chavez behaves in just those ways

that's actual evidence that he's behaving like a dictator.

 

As people have said, let's see what he does after the defeat. Only

then will we know.

 

In the meantime. real dictators don't make excuses for defeat at the

polls, they merely pretend they won.

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