VENEZUELANS REJECT CHAVEZ'S PLANS! HEY LIEBERALS, ARE YOU PAYINGATTENTION???

[Guest Jerry B. Altzman]

on 2007-12-03 14:16 Jerry Kraus said the following:

> Actually, I think the appeal of guns is essentially fascist. "Hey

> I've got a gun!!! You can't mess with me!!!" Sounds pretty Freudian

 

And this is bad why?

Please use the space provided:

_________________________

 

It seems that a society where everyone is packin' heat would tend

towards MORE politeness, rather than less. You'd be much less likely to

be a lout if you might get a bead drawn on you. Win-win!

 

//jbaltz

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jerry b. altzman jbaltz@altzman.com http://www.jbaltz.com

thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.

[Guest Jerry B. Altzman]

on 2007-12-03 21:49 Sam the Bam said the following:

> This Jerry guy is great... he's like Hal on meth.

> Don't chase him off, ok?

 

Wow, thanks!

Oh wait, not me.

Never mind.

> Sam

 

//jbaltz

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jerry b. altzman jbaltz@altzman.com http://www.jbaltz.com

thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.

[Guest Bert Hyman]

stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote in

news:j7qdneBsc8siOcnanZ2dnUVZ8qKvnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 03 Dec 2007 23:17:56 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:

>

>>In news:nuCdnSZq-uUd48nanZ2dnUVZ8umdnZ2d@giganews.com SteveL

>><stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote:

>>

>>> And if it's the wrong choice (or becomes the wrong choice years

>>> later) the people can vote in a government that sells it off

>>> again.

>>

>>Maybe. Sometimes these things become one-way traps and voting is no

>>longer an option.

>

> For the sake of argument, why do you say taking public ownership of

> an industry endangers the vote? It just doesn't follow. There's no

> precedent in other democracies.

 

I didn't say that.

 

Garden variety populists, authoritarians and wannabe totalitarians

always start by attacking the blood-sucking rich and usually propose

to start fixing things by expropriating their wealth and

nationalizing industry. The fundamental tenets of all flavors of

collectivism are economic.

 

The road from communes to nationalized industry to collective farms

to prison camps is short and straight one.

 

--

Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com

[Guest Herbert Cannon]

> This Jerry guy is great... he's like Hal on meth.

> Don't chase him off, ok?

 

Damn, this guy is beginning to make like and respect Hal.

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 3, 3:28 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1304773c-713a-41a8-bc08-e3b3fa927956@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On Dec 3, 2:56 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> >> > Bert, go away. You're saying nothing, and you know it. Go off and

> >> > play.

>

> >> You have wandered into a newsgroup full of martial artists. For your own

> >> safety dont wander into any dojos.

>

> > Actually, people as stupid as you are don't frighten me much.

>

> Sonny, people as dumb as you frighten me a lot. If you get your way, I see

> a nation of enslaved wimps.

> Sorry> to disappoint. Although, it tends to explain your fascination with

> > violence.

>

> Aww how touching a Mr. Non violent. You gonna march around the block with a

> candle and chant take back the night next. Did anyone ever tell you that

> when sheep flock together wolves are not frightened.

 

Yes, I noticed that no one was frightened much by "911".

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 3, 3:34 pm, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > If you want to avoid communism, you will have to

> > accept democratic socialism. You may not like it, but you have no

> > choice.

>

> Actually, we do have a choice. You may not like that we have a

> choice, but that changes nothing.

 

So how come the government has cut off funding for the Iraq War? How

come defence contractors are being laid off? How come the government

is freezing mortgage payments against the will of the Banks? How come

Alan Greenspan is predicting a depression if the economy doesn't move

to the left? Oh, I know, Greenspan's a communist!

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 3, 3:35 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> > I have no idea why this topic is on a martial arts site, myself.

>

> I am really puzzled how a wimp like you showed up here.

>

> > Although there are some quite interesting loons here.

>

> Yeah we have some left wing loons here too; however, I am quite certain

> they could whip your butt in a heartbeat.

>

> Including

>

> > professional writers who failed grade six grammar, and never learned

> > it in later life!

>

> Took your lunch money from you?

>

> I guess morons would have quite a large market for

>

> > their ideas though.

>

> You do? Where?

>

> Makes sense when you think about it.

> Not a thing you have been spouting has made any sense so far.

 

Because you haven't the brains to understand it. Stick to martial

arts. You have an advantage. Blows to your head will bounce off

harmlessly!

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 3, 3:47 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote innews:6LCdnR3oKcZF68nanZ2dnUVZ8radnZ2d@giganews.com:

>

> > As for whether the Constitution is an impediment to nationalization

> > of industries, I don't know. Do you have a specific passage that

> > bans it?

>

> Well, the way our government is constituted, you'd have to find

> something in the Constitution that allows it. Remember: limited and

> enumerated powers.

>

> The 4th and 5th Amendments were intended to emphasize that the state

> can't simply confiscate property at will. But they are, as Hamilton

> said, "exceptions to powers not granted" and as such provide a

> "colourable pretext to claim more than were granted", hence the

> recent problems with eminent domain.

>

> > Should the Constitution remove the power to do such things from a

> > government with a mandate?

>

> Absolutely.

>

> The Constitution is subject to amendment by a well-documented

> process. If a People's State is what the people want, they'll have to

> be explicit about it and work for their own enslavement.

>

> --

> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

 

Your obsession with the U.S. constitution is both Talmudic and

Communistic, Bret.

 

It's not a bad formulation for government, but hardly the only one.

Largely based on the Roman model. The best thing about it are the

very short intervals between elections for all members of the House.

Two-year terms for this very powerful body put a very tight check on

power for elected members. This is what is currently saving us from

disaster in Iraq, and in the domestic economy.

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 3, 3:49 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> > Chavez is basically an idealist in an uncertain position. He's a

> > potential Castro, but Castro wasn't really that bad a fellow either.

> > His options were limited.

>

> Why no, of course not, he really was a really good fellow, he just murdered

> the oppostion; and he just recently locked up the dissidents. Not a bad

> fellow at all, if you like living in communist dictatorships. If you dont

> you float.

> What utter bullshit.

>

> He did the best he could.>

>

> I would say he did a pretty good job of murder.

>

> > Once we get rid of Bush and implement some economic reforms

> > domestically, South America will restabilize, and the temptations of

> > Communism will recede.

>

> Yes and the world will turn nice and fuzzy and warm; and the terrorist will

> all turn into hippies: and we can all surrender our arms; and we can disband

> our armies; and Islam will be a peaceful religion; and everyone will love

> everyone; and I have some bridges and some plots of land to sell you - the

> snake oil I throw in for free.

>

> As I say, my nickname for Bush is "Instant

>

> > Communism".

>

> My nickname for you is moron. Unless of course you want to buy my plots of

> land, then I will call a dumb customer.

>

> He makes Communism look good, as an alternative to

>

> > imperialistic fascism.

>

> Gee that must be why we are having a presidential election in the future

> because we are a imperialistic fascist. The Bush Brown shirts are under your

> bed.

 

Castro doesn't kill people. The U.S. does. Castro has no Gulag, the

U.S. does. Despite being a poor country, average life expectancy is

just as high in Cuba as in the U.S. Cuba is a paradise compared to

Mexico. You don't see any Cubans escaping to "Freedom in Mexico".

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 3, 3:50 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote innews:6LCdnR3oKcZF68nanZ2dnUVZ8radnZ2d@giganews.com:

>

> > On 03 Dec 2007 21:27:10 GMT, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

>

> >>Minus the restrictions imposed by such a document, a democracy is

> >>nothing but a self-serving mob. Or more often, a mob put into

> >>service of someone who claims to be its sole representative.

>

> > I'm sure democracy can do fine as a concept without the US

> > Constitution.

>

> As a concept? Sure. And I said "such a document", not "that

> document."

 

>

> But in a real-world implementation, limits must be agreed to and

> codified and made difficult to overturn. That's where constitutions

> come in.

>

> --

> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

 

Spoken like a true Talmudist, Bert! I'm proud of you. Fairly

communistic, too. Like a Kibbutz, you know.

[Guest Bert Hyman]

jkraus_1906@yahoo.com (Jerry Kraus) wrote in

news:9d189e10-b1d6-4caf-9bbf-cc5fdb90e3e7@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

> Spoken

 

Are you still following me around?

 

--

Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 3, 3:54 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> > When the U.S. restabilizes, so will the hemisphere, and to some extent

> > the world.

>

> Utter cark.

>

> Bush has created ripples of violence and extremism> throughout the world.

>

> Here is a clue for you, moron, Islam and the extremism it promotes has been

> around since the sixth century. You might want to visit the library and

> check out the book " Unholy Terror." That was long before Bush - it was

> Clinton's time.

> Sorry Bush did not cause your plantar warts nor your jock itch either.

 

Racist propaganda of the type you spew are what got you 911, and are

what are currently destroying the U.S. economy. Go off to Iraq and

fight your nightmare fantasies loon. Or, take a trip to Afghanistan

on your own. Be a tourist there. The mountains are lovely.

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 3, 4:30 pm, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 3, 11:10 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > On Dec 3, 1:06 pm, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:

>

> > > Jerry Kraus wrote:

> > > > I see you're a martial arts and gun freak.

>

> > > He's a father, parent, former soldier in service to his nation, a

> > > neighbor, a friend, a curious viewer of politics, a man who enjoys self

> > > defense, a man who enjoys sharing his sense of security and honor with

> > > his neighbors and colleagues.

> > > Why am I not surprised?

>

> > > Because you are a pimp... and he's a man.

>

> > > > I realize the concept that people should work together to try to solve

> > > > social problems would be difficult for someone who sees destruction

> > > > and killing as the only useful forms of social interaction to

> > > > comprehend, but there are, believe it or not, other ways of doing

> > > > things.

>

> > > > Actually, you've already lost. The only way to keep the U.S. economy

> > > > going to move to the left -- socialism.

>

> > > And the deaths of 150 million due to marxism, and the destruction of

> > > their entire economies, and destruction of the principles of liberty,

> > > all of which were rejected except by the left wing pimps who prattle...

> > > like yourself, about nothing, nothing at all.

>

> > > Pure vapor.

> > > And how about the anniversary last week of the 4-10 million Stalin

> > > starved with his collectivizations? and all the other anniversary's of

> > > marxist economic destruction.

>

> > > You dumb pimp, you dumbass cross posting leftist... why am I not surprised?

>

> > > Mark

>

> > Now, now, Mark. Let's not decry your "jewish heritage". Marx was a

> > fine philosopher and a good man. And Communism is really just applied

> > Judaism, when properly understood. And the Chinese have done quite

> > well with Marxism, thankyou very much.

>

> They have? Based on what standards? Is it the wonderful standard of

> living that the majority of Chinese live by? Perhaps, instead, it is

> their world-renown for political, economic, and social freedoms?

> Maybe it's the rapid pace of Chinese innovation, creating new

> products, new techniques, new ideas for the world to benefit by? If

> so could you maybe explain why Canada, a nation of 30M people, is

> sending economic aid to China, a nation of over 1Bn people?

>

> Um, hooray for Marxism?

>

> Pierre- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

China has a GDP as large as Europe or the U.S. now. They are poor,

because they were much poorer than the west for centuries, having been

virtually a European colony. Their economy grows by 10% a year, and

is likely to continue doing so. This is a direct result of Marxism,

applied to a highly regulated and controlled private sector. Economic

assistance is provided to all poor people in the cities who need it.

Medical care is free. Disparaties of wealth are far lower than in the

United States.

 

Canada is a colony of the United States with no military and huge,

untapped natural resources. Canadians are non-entities, protected by

the biggest bully on the block. Always have been. The Canadian

national religion is grovelling at the feet of the biggest bully on

the block. That's why they're sucking up to China. They see the way

the wind's blowing.

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 7:58 am, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote innews:j7qdneBsc8siOcnanZ2dnUVZ8qKvnZ2d@giganews.com:

>

> > On 03 Dec 2007 23:17:56 GMT, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

>

> >>Innews:nuCdnSZq-uUd48nanZ2dnUVZ8umdnZ2d@giganews.comSteveL

> >><steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote:

>

> >>> And if it's the wrong choice (or becomes the wrong choice years

> >>> later) the people can vote in a government that sells it off

> >>> again.

>

> >>Maybe. Sometimes these things become one-way traps and voting is no

> >>longer an option.

>

> > For the sake of argument, why do you say taking public ownership of

> > an industry endangers the vote? It just doesn't follow. There's no

> > precedent in other democracies.

>

> I didn't say that.

>

> Garden variety populists, authoritarians and wannabe totalitarians

> always start by attacking the blood-sucking rich and usually propose

> to start fixing things by expropriating their wealth and

> nationalizing industry. The fundamental tenets of all flavors of

> collectivism are economic.

>

> The road from communes to nationalized industry to collective farms

> to prison camps is short and straight one.

>

> --

> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

 

Ever been on a Kibbutz, Bert? That's how Israel started. Remember?

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 10:30 am, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> jkraus_1...@yahoo.com (Jerry Kraus) wrote innews:9d189e10-b1d6-4caf-9bbf-cc5fdb90e3e7@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

>

> > Spoken

>

> Are you still following me around?

>

> --

> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

 

Have you considered a stalking complaint? Am I distracting you from

your romantic obessession with firearms? Frankly, I would have

thought your sexual fantasies regarding semi-automatic rifles would

have been sufficient to keep you occupied.

[Guest Shuurai]

> > Actually, we do have a choice. You may not like that we have a

> > choice, but that changes nothing.

>

> So how come the government has cut off funding for the Iraq War?

 

Which has what to do with socialism?

> How come defence contractors are being laid off?

 

Which has what to do with socialism?

> How come the government is freezing mortgage payments against the will of the

> Banks?

 

Which has what to do with socialism?

> How come Alan Greenspan is predicting a depression if the economy doesn't move

> to the left? Oh, I know, Greenspan's a communist!

 

Which has what to do with socialism?

 

That's FOUR strikes, kiddo - you got a free one and still couldn't

make a hit. I have some questions of my own: How come you are

utterly incapable with backing any argument you try to make with

relevant information? How come you keep throwing out random unrelated

snippets instead of making coherent points? How come you base

everything on black and white assumptions - communism vs. socialism?

 

Keep trying. Someday you're bound to say something intelligent...

you know the deal; monkeys, typewriters, time...

[Guest Pierre Honeyman]

On Dec 4, 8:36 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Dec 3, 4:30 pm, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>

> > On Dec 3, 11:10 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > > On Dec 3, 1:06 pm, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:

>

> > > > Jerry Kraus wrote:

> > > > > I see you're a martial arts and gun freak.

>

> > > > He's a father, parent, former soldier in service to his nation, a

> > > > neighbor, a friend, a curious viewer of politics, a man who enjoys self

> > > > defense, a man who enjoys sharing his sense of security and honor with

> > > > his neighbors and colleagues.

> > > > Why am I not surprised?

>

> > > > Because you are a pimp... and he's a man.

>

> > > > > I realize the concept that people should work together to try to solve

> > > > > social problems would be difficult for someone who sees destruction

> > > > > and killing as the only useful forms of social interaction to

> > > > > comprehend, but there are, believe it or not, other ways of doing

> > > > > things.

>

> > > > > Actually, you've already lost. The only way to keep the U.S. economy

> > > > > going to move to the left -- socialism.

>

> > > > And the deaths of 150 million due to marxism, and the destruction of

> > > > their entire economies, and destruction of the principles of liberty,

> > > > all of which were rejected except by the left wing pimps who prattle...

> > > > like yourself, about nothing, nothing at all.

>

> > > > Pure vapor.

> > > > And how about the anniversary last week of the 4-10 million Stalin

> > > > starved with his collectivizations? and all the other anniversary's of

> > > > marxist economic destruction.

>

> > > > You dumb pimp, you dumbass cross posting leftist... why am I not surprised?

>

> > > > Mark

>

> > > Now, now, Mark. Let's not decry your "jewish heritage". Marx was a

> > > fine philosopher and a good man. And Communism is really just applied

> > > Judaism, when properly understood. And the Chinese have done quite

> > > well with Marxism, thankyou very much.

>

> > They have? Based on what standards? Is it the wonderful standard of

> > living that the majority of Chinese live by? Perhaps, instead, it is

> > their world-renown for political, economic, and social freedoms?

> > Maybe it's the rapid pace of Chinese innovation, creating new

> > products, new techniques, new ideas for the world to benefit by? If

> > so could you maybe explain why Canada, a nation of 30M people, is

> > sending economic aid to China, a nation of over 1Bn people?

>

> > Um, hooray for Marxism?

>

> > Pierre- Hide quoted text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> China has a GDP as large as Europe or the U.S. now.

 

Whee, they're only 33% of what they should be!

> They are poor,

> because they were much poorer than the west for centuries,

 

Oh bullshit!

> having been

> virtually a European colony. Their economy grows by 10% a year, and

> is likely to continue doing so. This is a direct result of Marxism,

> applied to a highly regulated and controlled private sector.

 

Again I say oh bullshit.

> Economic

> assistance is provided to all poor people in the cities who need it.

> Medical care is free.

 

No it isn't. Medical care is routinely paid for out of pocket by

Chinese citizens, otherwise they just don't get it.

> Disparaties of wealth are far lower than in the

> United States.

 

Everyone being equally impoverished is hardly something to celebrate.

> Canada is a colony of the United States with no military and huge,

> untapped natural resources. Canadians are non-entities, protected by

> the biggest bully on the block. Always have been. The Canadian

> national religion is grovelling at the feet of the biggest bully on

> the block. That's why they're sucking up to China. They see the way

> the wind's blowing.

 

Interesting take.

 

Pierre

[Guest Baldin Lee Pramer]

On Dec 3, 7:35 am, Grandmaster Sensei Shaolin

<grandmastersenseishao...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The Lieberals need to be paying attention since they love more

> government and more socialist programs.

 

You are too stupid to have an opinion on this.

 

BLP

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 12:39 pm, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 4, 8:36 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > On Dec 3, 4:30 pm, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > > On Dec 3, 11:10 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > > > On Dec 3, 1:06 pm, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:

>

> > > > > Jerry Kraus wrote:

> > > > > > I see you're a martial arts and gun freak.

>

> > > > > He's a father, parent, former soldier in service to his nation, a

> > > > > neighbor, a friend, a curious viewer of politics, a man who enjoys self

> > > > > defense, a man who enjoys sharing his sense of security and honor with

> > > > > his neighbors and colleagues.

> > > > > Why am I not surprised?

>

> > > > > Because you are a pimp... and he's a man.

>

> > > > > > I realize the concept that people should work together to try to solve

> > > > > > social problems would be difficult for someone who sees destruction

> > > > > > and killing as the only useful forms of social interaction to

> > > > > > comprehend, but there are, believe it or not, other ways of doing

> > > > > > things.

>

> > > > > > Actually, you've already lost. The only way to keep the U.S. economy

> > > > > > going to move to the left -- socialism.

>

> > > > > And the deaths of 150 million due to marxism, and the destruction of

> > > > > their entire economies, and destruction of the principles of liberty,

> > > > > all of which were rejected except by the left wing pimps who prattle...

> > > > > like yourself, about nothing, nothing at all.

>

> > > > > Pure vapor.

> > > > > And how about the anniversary last week of the 4-10 million Stalin

> > > > > starved with his collectivizations? and all the other anniversary's of

> > > > > marxist economic destruction.

>

> > > > > You dumb pimp, you dumbass cross posting leftist... why am I not surprised?

>

> > > > > Mark

>

> > > > Now, now, Mark. Let's not decry your "jewish heritage". Marx was a

> > > > fine philosopher and a good man. And Communism is really just applied

> > > > Judaism, when properly understood. And the Chinese have done quite

> > > > well with Marxism, thankyou very much.

>

> > > They have? Based on what standards? Is it the wonderful standard of

> > > living that the majority of Chinese live by? Perhaps, instead, it is

> > > their world-renown for political, economic, and social freedoms?

> > > Maybe it's the rapid pace of Chinese innovation, creating new

> > > products, new techniques, new ideas for the world to benefit by? If

> > > so could you maybe explain why Canada, a nation of 30M people, is

> > > sending economic aid to China, a nation of over 1Bn people?

>

> > > Um, hooray for Marxism?

>

> > > Pierre- Hide quoted text -

>

> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > China has a GDP as large as Europe or the U.S. now.

>

> Whee, they're only 33% of what they should be!

>

> > They are poor,

> > because they were much poorer than the west for centuries,

>

> Oh bullshit!

>

> > having been

> > virtually a European colony. Their economy grows by 10% a year, and

> > is likely to continue doing so. This is a direct result of Marxism,

> > applied to a highly regulated and controlled private sector.

>

> Again I say oh bullshit.

>

> > Economic

> > assistance is provided to all poor people in the cities who need it.

> > Medical care is free.

>

> No it isn't. Medical care is routinely paid for out of pocket by

> Chinese citizens, otherwise they just don't get it.

>

> > Disparaties of wealth are far lower than in the

> > United States.

>

> Everyone being equally impoverished is hardly something to celebrate.

>

> > Canada is a colony of the United States with no military and huge,

> > untapped natural resources. Canadians are non-entities, protected by

> > the biggest bully on the block. Always have been. The Canadian

> > national religion is grovelling at the feet of the biggest bully on

> > the block. That's why they're sucking up to China. They see the way

> > the wind's blowing.

>

> Interesting take.

>

> Pierre- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Health care is somewhat in transition in China currently. The

government has, in the last twenty years, attempted to reduce state

spending on free medical care in the countryside. But, it is now

offering subidized services for the nominal payment of one dollar a

year to "peasants".

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/international/asia/14health.html?ex=1294894800&en=d0cb13755ea14446&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 12:45 pm, Baldin Lee Pramer <baldinpra...@msn.com> wrote:

> On Dec 3, 7:35 am, Grandmaster Sensei Shaolin

>

> <grandmastersenseishao...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > The Lieberals need to be paying attention since they love more

> > government and more socialist programs.

>

> You are too stupid to have an opinion on this.

>

> BLP

 

You must remember, Mr. Pramer, that this is cross-posted to a martial

arts group. Many of the posters have suffered one too many karate

kicks to the head. They even have an autistic, dyslexic writer

posting who specializes in writing for the sub-50 IQ crowd! His

responses are limited to "your argument is ad hominem". He doesn't

seem to have anything else to say.

[Guest Pierre Honeyman]

On Dec 4, 11:21 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Dec 4, 12:39 pm, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>

> > On Dec 4, 8:36 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > > On Dec 3, 4:30 pm, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > > > On Dec 3, 11:10 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > > > > On Dec 3, 1:06 pm, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:

>

> > > > > > Jerry Kraus wrote:

> > > > > > > I see you're a martial arts and gun freak.

>

> > > > > > He's a father, parent, former soldier in service to his nation, a

> > > > > > neighbor, a friend, a curious viewer of politics, a man who enjoys self

> > > > > > defense, a man who enjoys sharing his sense of security and honor with

> > > > > > his neighbors and colleagues.

> > > > > > Why am I not surprised?

>

> > > > > > Because you are a pimp... and he's a man.

>

> > > > > > > I realize the concept that people should work together to try to solve

> > > > > > > social problems would be difficult for someone who sees destruction

> > > > > > > and killing as the only useful forms of social interaction to

> > > > > > > comprehend, but there are, believe it or not, other ways of doing

> > > > > > > things.

>

> > > > > > > Actually, you've already lost. The only way to keep the U.S. economy

> > > > > > > going to move to the left -- socialism.

>

> > > > > > And the deaths of 150 million due to marxism, and the destruction of

> > > > > > their entire economies, and destruction of the principles of liberty,

> > > > > > all of which were rejected except by the left wing pimps who prattle...

> > > > > > like yourself, about nothing, nothing at all.

>

> > > > > > Pure vapor.

> > > > > > And how about the anniversary last week of the 4-10 million Stalin

> > > > > > starved with his collectivizations? and all the other anniversary's of

> > > > > > marxist economic destruction.

>

> > > > > > You dumb pimp, you dumbass cross posting leftist... why am I not surprised?

>

> > > > > > Mark

>

> > > > > Now, now, Mark. Let's not decry your "jewish heritage". Marx was a

> > > > > fine philosopher and a good man. And Communism is really just applied

> > > > > Judaism, when properly understood. And the Chinese have done quite

> > > > > well with Marxism, thankyou very much.

>

> > > > They have? Based on what standards? Is it the wonderful standard of

> > > > living that the majority of Chinese live by? Perhaps, instead, it is

> > > > their world-renown for political, economic, and social freedoms?

> > > > Maybe it's the rapid pace of Chinese innovation, creating new

> > > > products, new techniques, new ideas for the world to benefit by? If

> > > > so could you maybe explain why Canada, a nation of 30M people, is

> > > > sending economic aid to China, a nation of over 1Bn people?

>

> > > > Um, hooray for Marxism?

>

> > > > Pierre- Hide quoted text -

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> > > China has a GDP as large as Europe or the U.S. now.

>

> > Whee, they're only 33% of what they should be!

>

> > > They are poor,

> > > because they were much poorer than the west for centuries,

>

> > Oh bullshit!

>

> > > having been

> > > virtually a European colony. Their economy grows by 10% a year, and

> > > is likely to continue doing so. This is a direct result of Marxism,

> > > applied to a highly regulated and controlled private sector.

>

> > Again I say oh bullshit.

>

> > > Economic

> > > assistance is provided to all poor people in the cities who need it.

> > > Medical care is free.

>

> > No it isn't. Medical care is routinely paid for out of pocket by

> > Chinese citizens, otherwise they just don't get it.

>

> > > Disparaties of wealth are far lower than in the

> > > United States.

>

> > Everyone being equally impoverished is hardly something to celebrate.

>

> > > Canada is a colony of the United States with no military and huge,

> > > untapped natural resources. Canadians are non-entities, protected by

> > > the biggest bully on the block. Always have been. The Canadian

> > > national religion is grovelling at the feet of the biggest bully on

> > > the block. That's why they're sucking up to China. They see the way

> > > the wind's blowing.

>

> > Interesting take.

>

> > Pierre- Hide quoted text -

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> Health care is somewhat in transition in China currently. The

> government has, in the last twenty years, attempted to reduce state

> spending on free medical care in the countryside. But, it is now

> offering subidized services for the nominal payment of one dollar a

> year to "peasants".

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/international/asia/14health.html?ex...

 

The Globe and Mail, earlier this year (I read it in the print edition)

was reporting on the real costs to Chinese citizens, and it was

significantly more than $1/year.

 

Pierre

[Guest Shuurai]

> > Health care is somewhat in transition in China currently. The

> > government has, in the last twenty years, attempted to reduce state

> > spending on free medical care in the countryside. But, it is now

> > offering subidized services for the nominal payment of one dollar a

> > year to "peasants".

>

> The Globe and Mail, earlier this year (I read it in the print edition)

> was reporting on the real costs to Chinese citizens, and it was

> significantly more than $1/year.

 

It really depends on how you define terms like "health care" and

"costs" - for example, when you're forced to bribe a public official

for an operation, is that considered a cost?

[Guest Shuurai]

On Dec 3, 11:46 pm, "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote:

> on 2007-12-03 21:49 Sam the Bam said the following:

>

> > This Jerry guy is great... he's like Hal on meth.

> > Don't chase him off, ok?

>

> Wow, thanks!

> Oh wait, not me.

> Never mind.

 

That was a terrible haiku!

[Guest David L. Burkhead]

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:7f596029-0436-4f8a-a941-635d33f3b910@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Dec 4, 12:45 pm, Baldin Lee Pramer <baldinpra...@msn.com> wrote:

> > On Dec 3, 7:35 am, Grandmaster Sensei Shaolin

> >

> > <grandmastersenseishao...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > The Lieberals need to be paying attention since they love more

> > > government and more socialist programs.

> >

> > You are too stupid to have an opinion on this.

> >

> > BLP

>

> You must remember, Mr. Pramer, that this is cross-posted to a martial

> arts group. Many of the posters have suffered one too many karate

> kicks to the head. They even have an autistic, dyslexic writer

> posting who specializes in writing for the sub-50 IQ crowd! His

> responses are limited to "your argument is ad hominem". He doesn't

> seem to have anything else to say.

 

Your inability to read is not my problem.

 

Neither is your propensity to lie through your teeth.

 

--

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[Guest Pierre Honeyman]

On Dec 4, 11:48 am, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > Health care is somewhat in transition in China currently. The

> > > government has, in the last twenty years, attempted to reduce state

> > > spending on free medical care in the countryside. But, it is now

> > > offering subidized services for the nominal payment of one dollar a

> > > year to "peasants".

>

> > The Globe and Mail, earlier this year (I read it in the print edition)

> > was reporting on the real costs to Chinese citizens, and it was

> > significantly more than $1/year.

>

> It really depends on how you define terms like "health care" and

> "costs" - for example, when you're forced to bribe a public official

> for an operation, is that considered a cost?

 

Exactly. So, while it isn't legal, it's quite common for patients to

have to bribe their way in to see a Dr. and then to have to pay the

Dr. for their treatment. The costs are not insignificant.

 

Pierre