VENEZUELANS REJECT CHAVEZ'S PLANS! HEY LIEBERALS, ARE YOU PAYINGATTENTION???

[Guest David L. Burkhead]

"Pierre Honeyman" <pearhed@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 4, 8:28 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > Castro doesn't kill people. The U.S. does. Castro has no Gulag, the

> > U.S. does. Despite being a poor country, average life expectancy is

> > just as high in Cuba as in the U.S. Cuba is a paradise compared to

> > Mexico. You don't see any Cubans escaping to "Freedom in Mexico".

>

> You would if Mexico were closer.

 

You also don't see Mexican's escaping to Cuba.

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

My webcomic Cold Servings

http://www.coldservings.com -- Back from hiatus!

Updates Wednesdays

[Guest Herbert Cannon]

> China has a GDP as large as Europe or the U.S. now. They are poor,

> because they were much poorer than the west for centuries, having been

> virtually a European colony. Their economy grows by 10% a year, and

> is likely to continue doing so. This is a direct result of Marxism,

> applied to a highly regulated and controlled private sector.

 

You dumb shit, it is the result the death of Mao; and of the take over of

China by Deng Xiao Peng who said," I dont care if it is a white cat or a

black cat, if it catches mice it is a good cat." He permitted the peasants

to have private plots for agriculture which boosted their incomes by 135%

and benefited agriculture enormously. So go spread your commie fantasies

somewhere else.

 

Economic

> assistance is provided to all poor people in the cities who need it.

 

Horse shit. China has a lousy human rights record.

> Medical care is free. Disparaties of wealth are far lower than in the

> United States.

 

HAHAHAHA. Yeah I see people flocking to run and live in China. When are you

going, moron?

>

[Guest Herbert Cannon]

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1906@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 3, 3:35 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

>> > I have no idea why this topic is on a martial arts site, myself.

>>

>> I am really puzzled how a wimp like you showed up here.

>>

>> > Although there are some quite interesting loons here.

>>

>> Yeah we have some left wing loons here too; however, I am quite certain

>> they could whip your butt in a heartbeat.

>>

>> Including

>>

>> > professional writers who failed grade six grammar, and never learned

>> > it in later life!

>>

>> Took your lunch money from you?

>>

>> I guess morons would have quite a large market for

>>

>> > their ideas though.

>>

>> You do? Where?

>>

>> Makes sense when you think about it.

>> Not a thing you have been spouting has made any sense so far.

>

> Because you haven't the brains to understand it.

 

You are operating with a brain stem and not a brain so I rather doubt your

wimpy commie ass can do anything but grunt.

 

Stick to martial

> arts. You have an advantage. Blows to your head will bounce off

> harmlessly!

I am planning on storing my martial arts equipment in the hollow space

between your ears to get some use out of your head.

[Guest Herbert Cannon]

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1906@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 3, 3:54 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

>> > When the U.S. restabilizes, so will the hemisphere, and to some extent

>> > the world.

>>

>> Utter cark.

>>

>> Bush has created ripples of violence and extremism> throughout the

>> world.

>>

>> Here is a clue for you, moron, Islam and the extremism it promotes has

>> been

>> around since the sixth century. You might want to visit the library and

>> check out the book " Unholy Terror." That was long before Bush - it was

>> Clinton's time.

>> Sorry Bush did not cause your plantar warts nor your jock itch either.

>

> Racist propaganda of the type you spew are what got you 911, and are

> what are currently destroying the U.S. economy.

 

You big dumb shit the book was written after 911. What caused 911 was

Islamic extremism which, as I already said, has been around since the sixth

century. You are just too ignorant and brainwashed figure it out. Go back

to memorizing " Das Capital" like a good little wimpy commie.

 

Go off to Iraq and

> fight your nightmare fantasies loon.

 

Gee do you think I can recruit an Al Qaeda operative to blow your ass up? I

am sure he would enjoy sharing his 72 virgins with you.

 

Or, take a trip to Afghanistan

> on your own. Be a tourist there. The mountains are lovely.

I am sure you would enjoy living under the Taliban rule there, especially

since you are too wimpy to fight anyone. Take your wife, girl friend,

mother, sister with you. I am sure they will all thank your for the

opportunity to be treated like shit, moron.

[Guest Herbert Cannon]

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1906@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 4, 10:30 am, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

>> jkraus_1...@yahoo.com (Jerry Kraus) wrote

>> innews:9d189e10-b1d6-4caf-9bbf-cc5fdb90e3e7@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

>>

>> > Spoken

>>

>> Are you still following me around?

>>

>> --

>> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

>

> Have you considered a stalking complaint? Am I distracting you from

> your romantic obessession with firearms?

 

Is he distracting from your romantic obession with your tiny penis?

 

Frankly, I would have

> thought your sexual fantasies regarding semi-automatic rifles would

> have been sufficient to keep you occupied.

 

Frankly, I think you are a sexual freak show obsessing about sex. What's the

matter you no one giving you any?

[Guest Herbert Cannon]

>

> Ever been on a Kibbutz, Bert? That's how Israel started. Remember?

But not the way it finished. Remember?

[Guest Herbert Cannon]

>> >> You have wandered into a newsgroup full of martial artists. For your

>> >> own

>> >> safety dont wander into any dojos.

>>

>> > Actually, people as stupid as you are don't frighten me much.

>>

>> Sonny, people as dumb as you frighten me a lot. If you get your way, I

>> see

>> a nation of enslaved wimps.

>> Sorry> to disappoint. Although, it tends to explain your fascination

>> with

>> > violence.

>>

>> Aww how touching a Mr. Non violent. You gonna march around the block

>> with a

>> candle and chant take back the night next. Did anyone ever tell you that

>> when sheep flock together wolves are not frightened.

>

> Yes, I noticed that no one was frightened much by "911".

 

Woooooooooo. And what did you have to do with 911 pissant little wimp? 911

occurred because too many pissant little wimps like you sold your piss ant

wimpy non violent snake oil to too many good Americans. It was simply un -

American to sit down and let some morons take over planes. Notice no one is

now buying your wimpy ass piss ant non violent philosophy anymore.

Which branch of the armed service did you serve in or have you always let

others do your fighting for you pissant little wimp? I bet you can't fight

your way out of wet barf bag.

[Guest Herbert Cannon]

>

>> > Sorry, Jerry... the only rational conclusion remains as it was before

>> > - that you are completely full of shit. So what random unrelated

>> > bullshit will you try next in place of an actual argument? Try global

>> > warming - that one always seems to get a reaction from people.

>>

>> I'm sorry. I realize psychotic morons like yourself have different

>> standards of proof than the average person. I'll try to make this

>> simple.

>>

>> 1. Cuba is a better place to live than Mexico, because its socialist

>> system improves the people's standard of living.

>

> You're in high school aren't you?

>

I think he dropped out.

[Guest hal@nospam.org]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:03:12 -0800, ChristiaNazism

<yllmqhos@spitfirepictures.com> wrote:

>We (USA) were 1 (one) SCJOTUS from having a Dictatorship (from the) RIGHT

>here in America...the Dems regaining in the House and Senate was a bigger

>victory than most will ever realize...

>

>Sandra Day O'Connor warned Americans as such...

>

>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4728508

>

>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0313-03.htm

>

>http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/SandraDayOconnor.html

>

>http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1729396,00.html

>

>http://www.yuricareport.com/Law%20&%20Legal/OConnorWarnsOfDictatorship.html

>

>--

>At the RNC incest is priority-one because that's how the GOP got started, all

>the way back to the Virgin Birth

>

one of the great ironies of our time is that people who are followers

of a pacifist socialist are among the most corrupt and violent people

on the planet.

 

Hal

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 3:40 pm, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 4, 8:28 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > Castro doesn't kill people. The U.S. does. Castro has no Gulag, the

> > U.S. does. Despite being a poor country, average life expectancy is

> > just as high in Cuba as in the U.S. Cuba is a paradise compared to

> > Mexico. You don't see any Cubans escaping to "Freedom in Mexico".

>

> You would if Mexico were closer.

>

> Pierre

 

Not according to the Mexicans I've talked to! Or the Cubans!

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 3:21 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:f767de78-0ab8-4662-951b-52e6c2ff2ff8@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...> On Dec 4, 2:50 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > > --

> > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Back from hiatus!

> > > Updates Wednesdays

>

> > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:45c1e77f-5ab4-48af-a0e8-8ccc2c16c319@b15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...>

> On Dec 4, 2:20 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:> > > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:f8ab50ef-3203-4778-bb7f-5647d225e3f6@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...>> > On Dec 4, 1:51 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:> > > >

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:7f596029-0436-4f8a-a941-635d33f3b910@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 12:45 pm, Baldin Lee Pramer <baldinpra...@msn.com>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 7:35 am, Grandmaster Sensei Shaolin

>

> > > > > > > > > <grandmastersenseishao...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > The Lieberals need to be paying attention since they love

> more

> > > > > > > > > > government and more socialist programs.

>

> > > > > > > > > You are too stupid to have an opinion on this.

>

> > > > > > > > > BLP

>

> > > > > > > > You must remember, Mr. Pramer, that this is cross-posted to a

> > > martial

> > > > > > > > arts group. Many of the posters have suffered one too many

> karate

> > > > > > > > kicks to the head. They even have an autistic, dyslexic

> writer

> > > > > > > > posting who specializes in writing for the sub-50 IQ crowd!

> His

> > > > > > > > responses are limited to "your argument is ad hominem". He

> > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > seem to have anything else to say.

>

> > > > > > > Your inability to read is not my problem.

>

> > > > > > > Neither is your propensity to lie through your teeth.

>

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > > > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Backfrom

> > > hiatus!

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> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > > > > > David, apparently you're an applied physicist. You may, for all I

> > > > > > know, be quite a good physicist. But, by presenting yourself as a

> > > > > > "writer", you really do yourself a disservice. You can't write.

> > > > > > Sorry.

>

> > > > > You're opinion on that matter is completely without merit: as

> you

> > > > > demonstrate every time you set fingers to keyboard.

>

> > > > > > Anyone can, of course, get some articles and stories published if

> they

> > > > > > spend enough money and time trying to do so.

>

> > > > > I see the publishing industry is something else you are

> completely

> > > > > ignorant about.

>

> > > > > > I'd rather just have

> > > > > > whatever I want to say disseminated on the internet. Which isn't

> to

> > > > > > say I haven't published a few things in print from time to time.

>

> > > > > Name _one_ in a professional, commercial publication--where they

> pay

> > > > > _you_, not the other way around.

>

> > > > > You see, in every one of the pieces I mention it was the

> publisher

> > > that

> > > > > paid me, not me paying the publisher.

>

> > > > > Among professional writers there's a saying "the only place a

> writer

> > > > > signs a check is on the back."

>

> > > > > Here's a nice starting point for learning a bit about the

>

> > > subject:http://www.sfwa.org/beware/

>

> > > > > > But,

> > > > > > it's not much of a business, as you are, I suspect, aware.

>

> > > > > A number of my friends would disagree with you: they make their

> > > living

> > > > > writing.

>

> > > > > That you are not aware of this speaks volumes about your

> > > > > credibility--and not to your credit.

>

> > > > > --

> > > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Backfrom

> hiatus!

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>

> > > > David, you SURE AS HELL don't make your living writing. And YOU

> > > > NEVER WILL.

>

> > > This is the first correct statement you've made so far.

> Unfortunatly,

> > > it falls unde the "blind hog" paradigm since the _reason_ I don't make a

> > > living writing is that it's a hobby for me.

>

> > > But I'll lay any odds you care to name that I've made more money at

> it

> > > than you have.

>

> > > > Everything is relative. There is a bit of money in writing. But not

> > > > much.

>

> > > Once again you don't know what you're talking about. Now, mind you,

> > > there's not a whole lot of money to be made in short fiction, and the

> novel

> > > market is laboring a bit, but non-fiction remains as lucrative as it

> ever

> > > was.

>

> > > If you want to know about writing as a business, don't talk to

> wannabes

> > > on the Internet--talk to actual pros who have made actual professional

> > > sales.

>

> > > > Actually, if you want to talk about lasers, something you may know

> > > > something about, that might be of some interest.

>

> > > Well, if we can simply find something, anything, that you know

> something

> > > about, we might have the basis for a conversation. So far, however, you

> are

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>

> > Non-fiction was never particularly lucrative.

>

> You really don't know what you're talking about.

>

> For decades, non-fiction has been where the reliable money is at in

> fiction. While it may not have the "highs" of the Steven Kings and the

> Michael Crichton's, it's been a reliable, steady, income provider for many

> people. Look at your local bookstore shelves sometime: every one of the

> articles in those magazines made money for its author (not counting

> "academic" publications like "Nature," "Physical Review," and the like which

> run on a completely different model).

>

> You appear to be completely unaware of how the business of publishing

> and writing works.

>

> > It's not a very good

> > business. If it were, it wouldn't be your hobby, but your profession.

>

> That turns out not to be the case. Many things that are enjoyable done

> at your own pace, when the mood strikes, but become far less so when you

> have to do them every day to pay the bills. As one example, I enjoy

> driving, both street driving and competitive driving. But put me into a

> position as a professional driver--deliveries or whatever--and I'd be driven

> mad with boredom within a month. Hobbies are spices. One's career is the

> stable. The two are not the same.

>

> > Anyone would naturally make their hobby their profession if they had

> > the choice.

>

> "Anyone" is overassuming. Hey, I like sex too, but I don't think I'd

> want to do it professionally.

>

> > You don't.

>

> Actually, if I accept a more modest means and being buttoned up in a

> room by myself for long periods of the day I very much do have that choice

> because I've _done_ it. There was a period where I was doing feature

> article writing for a news magazine that paid for my apartment, food on the

> table, etc. Sure, I do better now. But I could do "well enough" then.

>

> > Not many people do.

>

> More people than you expect have the choice. But they chose "no" by not

> putting in the dog work it takes to get to the point of being able to make

> money. The aphorism is that it takes writing about 1 million words of crap

> before one starts to write saleable material. And it can't be just any

> crap. It has to be the absolute best crap you are capable of writing. (I.e.

> you have to really be trying.) There's a lot of heartache, a lot of

> rejection, and a lot of frustration along the road. Most people who start

> give up along the way. That's a choice.

>

> --

> David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

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David, as far as I can tell from much of the material I see published,

they never actually stop writing crap!

 

Which, as I say, tends to confirm my view that "writing" is 99%

marketing, 1% writing.

 

Your notion that professionals are better than amateurs is delusional.

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 3:23 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:5f06b36a-88e8-438d-a6ce-11f98cdb5357@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...> On Dec 4, 2:52 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:ba585a15-de81-4dae-94c4-17b149157e60@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...>

> On Dec 4, 2:22 pm, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > > David, apparently you're an applied physicist.

>

> > > > > Jerry, apparently you're an idiot.

>

> > > > > > You may, for all I know, be quite a good physicist. But, by

>

> > > presenting yourself as a

>

> > > > > > "writer", you really do yourself a disservice. You can't write.

> > > > > > Sorry.

>

> > > > > And you can?

>

> > > > > > Anyone can, of course, get some articles and stories published if

> they

> > > > > > spend enough money and time trying to do so.

>

> > > > > So where are yours? Anyone can do it, right?

>

> > > > > > I'd rather just have whatever I want to say disseminated on the

> > > internet.

>

> > > > > Sure; because the internet has no standards or expectations. It's

> the

> > > > > only place where someone like you CAN have your words disseminated.

>

> > > > > > Which isn't to say I haven't published a few things in print from

> time

> > > to time.

>

> > > > > Which isn't to say that you have.

>

> > > > > > But, it's not much of a business, as you are, I suspect, aware.

>

> > > > > Especially when you're only lying about it on usenet...

>

> > > > For some reason I don't fell like providing personal details to

> > > > psychotic morons who threaten me on the internet. Call it an

> > > > eccentricity.

>

> > > IOW, you've got nothing. If you could name even _one_ professional

> > > publication, you'd do so. You may not realize how transparent you are,

> but

> > > I'd stay away from fiber optics research labs if I were you.

>

> > > --

> > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

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>

> > Actually, I do, but I won't. Why would I bother? Trust me, stick to

> > physics, you're no psychologist.

>

> And you stick to lying. It's what you do best. Not well, mind you, but

> better than everything else you fail at.

>

> --

> David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

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What am I lying about David? Why is it important to your ego to

consider me a liar?

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 3:41 pm, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 4, 12:40 pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > On Dec 4, 2:33 pm, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > Sorry, Jerry... the only rational conclusion remains as it was before

> > > - that you are completely full of shit. So what random unrelated

> > > bullshit will you try next in place of an actual argument? Try global

> > > warming - that one always seems to get a reaction from people.

>

> > I'm sorry. I realize psychotic morons like yourself have different

> > standards of proof than the average person. I'll try to make this

> > simple.

>

> > 1. Cuba is a better place to live than Mexico, because its socialist

> > system improves the people's standard of living.

>

> You're in high school aren't you?

>

> Pierre

 

Sure. Along with the entire leadership of the EU, China, Russia and

most of the rest of the world. We're all down at the local high

school together. You should join us for game at the local high school

chess club sometime.

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 3:54 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> "Pierre Honeyman" <pear...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:8e91cb35-736d-45e8-9498-b24681776117@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On Dec 4, 8:28 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > > Castro doesn't kill people. The U.S. does. Castro has no Gulag, the

> > > U.S. does. Despite being a poor country, average life expectancy is

> > > just as high in Cuba as in the U.S. Cuba is a paradise compared to

> > > Mexico. You don't see any Cubans escaping to "Freedom in Mexico".

>

> > You would if Mexico were closer.

>

> You also don't see Mexican's escaping to Cuba.

>

> --

> David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com-- Back from hiatus!

> Updates Wednesdays

 

The U.S. is richer. We steal more.

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 4:11 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> > China has a GDP as large as Europe or the U.S. now. They are poor,

> > because they were much poorer than the west for centuries, having been

> > virtually a European colony. Their economy grows by 10% a year, and

> > is likely to continue doing so. This is a direct result of Marxism,

> > applied to a highly regulated and controlled private sector.

>

> You dumb shit, it is the result the death of Mao; and of the take over of

> China by Deng Xiao Peng who said," I dont care if it is a white cat or a

> black cat, if it catches mice it is a good cat." He permitted the peasants

> to have private plots for agriculture which boosted their incomes by 135%

> and benefited agriculture enormously. So go spread your commie fantasies

> somewhere else.

>

> Economic

>

> > assistance is provided to all poor people in the cities who need it.

>

> Horse shit. China has a lousy human rights record.

>

> > Medical care is free. Disparaties of wealth are far lower than in the

> > United States.

>

> HAHAHAHA. Yeah I see people flocking to run and live in China. When are you

> going, moron?

>

>

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So why do the Chinese call themselves communist? Why are they allies

of Castro? Why is the U.S. so frightened of them?

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 4:29 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:7fe19fa1-82ac-419f-8bf8-a480b9181855@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On Dec 4, 10:30 am, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> >> jkraus_1...@yahoo.com (Jerry Kraus) wrote

> >> innews:9d189e10-b1d6-4caf-9bbf-cc5fdb90e3e7@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

>

> >> > Spoken

>

> >> Are you still following me around?

>

> >> --

> >> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

>

> > Have you considered a stalking complaint? Am I distracting you from

> > your romantic obessession with firearms?

>

> Is he distracting from your romantic obession with your tiny penis?

>

> Frankly, I would have

>

> > thought your sexual fantasies regarding semi-automatic rifles would

> > have been sufficient to keep you occupied.

>

> Frankly, I think you are a sexual freak show obsessing about sex. What's the

> matter you no one giving you any?

 

Sounds like an offer to me, Frank. Most gun freaks are repressed

homosexuals, I understand. I see you're no exception.

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 4, 4:30 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> > Ever been on a Kibbutz, Bert? That's how Israel started. Remember?

>

> But not the way it finished. Remember?

 

Oh, the Kibbutz's are still there, Herb. Why don't you drop by one

sometime, and start running your mouth. You could try out your

martial arts skills.

[Guest David L. Burkhead]

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1906@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 4, 3:21 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

news:f767de78-0ab8-4662-951b-52e6c2ff2ff8@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...> On

Dec 4, 2:50 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > > > --

> > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Back from

hiatus!

> > > > Updates Wednesdays

> >

> > > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

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> > On Dec 4, 2:20 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:> > > >

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

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> On Dec 4, 1:51 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:> > > >

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 12:45 pm, Baldin Lee Pramer

<baldinpra...@msn.com>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 7:35 am, Grandmaster Sensei Shaolin

> >

> > > > > > > > > > <grandmastersenseishao...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > The Lieberals need to be paying attention since they

love

> > more

> > > > > > > > > > > government and more socialist programs.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > You are too stupid to have an opinion on this.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > BLP

> >

> > > > > > > > > You must remember, Mr. Pramer, that this is cross-posted

to a

> > > > martial

> > > > > > > > > arts group. Many of the posters have suffered one too

many

> > karate

> > > > > > > > > kicks to the head. They even have an autistic, dyslexic

> > writer

> > > > > > > > > posting who specializes in writing for the sub-50 IQ

crowd!

> > His

> > > > > > > > > responses are limited to "your argument is ad hominem".

He

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > seem to have anything else to say.

> >

> > > > > > > > Your inability to read is not my problem.

> >

> > > > > > > > Neither is your propensity to lie through your teeth.

> >

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > > > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > > > > > My webcomic Cold

Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Backfrom

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> >

> > > > > > > David, apparently you're an applied physicist. You may, for

all I

> > > > > > > know, be quite a good physicist. But, by presenting yourself

as a

> > > > > > > "writer", you really do yourself a disservice. You can't

write.

> > > > > > > Sorry.

> >

> > > > > > You're opinion on that matter is completely without merit:

as

> > you

> > > > > > demonstrate every time you set fingers to keyboard.

> >

> > > > > > > Anyone can, of course, get some articles and stories published

if

> > they

> > > > > > > spend enough money and time trying to do so.

> >

> > > > > > I see the publishing industry is something else you are

> > completely

> > > > > > ignorant about.

> >

> > > > > > > I'd rather just have

> > > > > > > whatever I want to say disseminated on the internet. Which

isn't

> > to

> > > > > > > say I haven't published a few things in print from time to

time.

> >

> > > > > > Name _one_ in a professional, commercial publication--where

they

> > pay

> > > > > > _you_, not the other way around.

> >

> > > > > > You see, in every one of the pieces I mention it was the

> > publisher

> > > > that

> > > > > > paid me, not me paying the publisher.

> >

> > > > > > Among professional writers there's a saying "the only place

a

> > writer

> > > > > > signs a check is on the back."

> >

> > > > > > Here's a nice starting point for learning a bit about the

> >

> > > > subject:http://www.sfwa.org/beware/

> >

> > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > it's not much of a business, as you are, I suspect, aware.

> >

> > > > > > A number of my friends would disagree with you: they make

their

> > > > living

> > > > > > writing.

> >

> > > > > > That you are not aware of this speaks volumes about your

> > > > > > credibility--and not to your credit.

> >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Backfrom

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> > > > > David, you SURE AS HELL don't make your living writing. And YOU

> > > > > NEVER WILL.

> >

> > > > This is the first correct statement you've made so far.

> > Unfortunatly,

> > > > it falls unde the "blind hog" paradigm since the _reason_ I don't

make a

> > > > living writing is that it's a hobby for me.

> >

> > > > But I'll lay any odds you care to name that I've made more money

at

> > it

> > > > than you have.

> >

> > > > > Everything is relative. There is a bit of money in writing. But

not

> > > > > much.

> >

> > > > Once again you don't know what you're talking about. Now, mind

you,

> > > > there's not a whole lot of money to be made in short fiction, and

the

> > novel

> > > > market is laboring a bit, but non-fiction remains as lucrative as it

> > ever

> > > > was.

> >

> > > > If you want to know about writing as a business, don't talk to

> > wannabes

> > > > on the Internet--talk to actual pros who have made actual

professional

> > > > sales.

> >

> > > > > Actually, if you want to talk about lasers, something you may know

> > > > > something about, that might be of some interest.

> >

> > > > Well, if we can simply find something, anything, that you know

> > something

> > > > about, we might have the basis for a conversation. So far, however,

you

> > are

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> >

> > > Non-fiction was never particularly lucrative.

> >

> > You really don't know what you're talking about.

> >

> > For decades, non-fiction has been where the reliable money is at in

> > fiction. While it may not have the "highs" of the Steven Kings and the

> > Michael Crichton's, it's been a reliable, steady, income provider for

many

> > people. Look at your local bookstore shelves sometime: every one of

the

> > articles in those magazines made money for its author (not counting

> > "academic" publications like "Nature," "Physical Review," and the like

which

> > run on a completely different model).

> >

> > You appear to be completely unaware of how the business of

publishing

> > and writing works.

> >

> > > It's not a very good

> > > business. If it were, it wouldn't be your hobby, but your profession.

> >

> > That turns out not to be the case. Many things that are enjoyable

done

> > at your own pace, when the mood strikes, but become far less so when you

> > have to do them every day to pay the bills. As one example, I enjoy

> > driving, both street driving and competitive driving. But put me into a

> > position as a professional driver--deliveries or whatever--and I'd be

driven

> > mad with boredom within a month. Hobbies are spices. One's career is

the

> > stable. The two are not the same.

> >

> > > Anyone would naturally make their hobby their profession if they had

> > > the choice.

> >

> > "Anyone" is overassuming. Hey, I like sex too, but I don't think

I'd

> > want to do it professionally.

> >

> > > You don't.

> >

> > Actually, if I accept a more modest means and being buttoned up in a

> > room by myself for long periods of the day I very much do have that

choice

> > because I've _done_ it. There was a period where I was doing feature

> > article writing for a news magazine that paid for my apartment, food on

the

> > table, etc. Sure, I do better now. But I could do "well enough" then.

> >

> > > Not many people do.

> >

> > More people than you expect have the choice. But they chose "no" by

not

> > putting in the dog work it takes to get to the point of being able to

make

> > money. The aphorism is that it takes writing about 1 million words of

crap

> > before one starts to write saleable material. And it can't be just any

> > crap. It has to be the absolute best crap you are capable of writing.

(I.e.

> > you have to really be trying.) There's a lot of heartache, a lot of

> > rejection, and a lot of frustration along the road. Most people who

start

> > give up along the way. That's a choice.

> >

> > --

> > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

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>

> David, as far as I can tell from much of the material I see published,

> they never actually stop writing crap!

 

Which only goes to show how very little you know about the field.

> Which, as I say, tends to confirm my view that "writing" is 99%

> marketing, 1% writing.

 

As usual "that turns out not to be the case."

 

Slush piles are full of people who think that. They generally never

even make it past the first readers.

> Your notion that professionals are better than amateurs is delusional.

 

So prove me wrong. Analog is still out there, asking for submissions.

I won't point you at Marion Zimmer Bradley's Fantasy Magazine since it

folded when she died. High Technology Careers has also gone, but The World

& I is still there.

 

For Analog I wrote stories, sent in properly formatted manuscripts, and

they bought them. For The World & I, I wrote a proposal, they accepted the

proposal, I wrote the article, sent in a properly formatted manuscript, and

they bought it. That's the entire extent of the "marketing." If it's so

easy you should be able to do it in your sleep.

 

Go on. We'll wait.

 

Until you do, your "opinion" on the matter is irrelevant.

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

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[Guest David L. Burkhead]

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1906@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 4, 3:23 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

news:5f06b36a-88e8-438d-a6ce-11f98cdb5357@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...>

On Dec 4, 2:52 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > > > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

news:ba585a15-de81-4dae-94c4-17b149157e60@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...>

> > On Dec 4, 2:22 pm, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > > > David, apparently you're an applied physicist.

> >

> > > > > > Jerry, apparently you're an idiot.

> >

> > > > > > > You may, for all I know, be quite a good physicist. But, by

> >

> > > > presenting yourself as a

> >

> > > > > > > "writer", you really do yourself a disservice. You can't

write.

> > > > > > > Sorry.

> >

> > > > > > And you can?

> >

> > > > > > > Anyone can, of course, get some articles and stories published

if

> > they

> > > > > > > spend enough money and time trying to do so.

> >

> > > > > > So where are yours? Anyone can do it, right?

> >

> > > > > > > I'd rather just have whatever I want to say disseminated on

the

> > > > internet.

> >

> > > > > > Sure; because the internet has no standards or expectations.

It's

> > the

> > > > > > only place where someone like you CAN have your words

disseminated.

> >

> > > > > > > Which isn't to say I haven't published a few things in print

from

> > time

> > > > to time.

> >

> > > > > > Which isn't to say that you have.

> >

> > > > > > > But, it's not much of a business, as you are, I suspect,

aware.

> >

> > > > > > Especially when you're only lying about it on usenet...

> >

> > > > > For some reason I don't fell like providing personal details to

> > > > > psychotic morons who threaten me on the internet. Call it an

> > > > > eccentricity.

> >

> > > > IOW, you've got nothing. If you could name even _one_ professional

> > > > publication, you'd do so. You may not realize how transparent you

are,

> > but

> > > > I'd stay away from fiber optics research labs if I were you.

> >

> > > > --

> > > > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > > > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > > > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com--Back from

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> >

> > > Actually, I do, but I won't. Why would I bother? Trust me, stick to

> > > physics, you're no psychologist.

> >

> > And you stick to lying. It's what you do best. Not well, mind you,

but

> > better than everything else you fail at.

> >

> > --

> > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

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>

> What am I lying about David?

 

You are lying about having at least one professional publication.

Either that, or your lying about what you believe is involved in

professional publication.

 

Anyone who has _any_ familiarity with the field can see that in an

instant.

> Why is it important to your ego to

> consider me a liar?

 

It's not. I just like to call them like I see them.

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

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[Guest David L. Burkhead]

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1906@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 4, 3:54 pm, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > "Pierre Honeyman" <pear...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

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> >

> > > On Dec 4, 8:28 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >

> > > > Castro doesn't kill people. The U.S. does. Castro has no Gulag,

the

> > > > U.S. does. Despite being a poor country, average life expectancy

is

> > > > just as high in Cuba as in the U.S. Cuba is a paradise compared to

> > > > Mexico. You don't see any Cubans escaping to "Freedom in Mexico".

> >

> > > You would if Mexico were closer.

> >

> > You also don't see Mexican's escaping to Cuba.

> >

> > --

> > David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

> > mailto:dburkh...@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

> > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com-- Back from hiatus!

> > Updates Wednesdays

>

> The U.S. is richer. We steal more.

 

And yet you stay here, making you an accessory both before and after the

fact.

 

Doesn't say much for your ethics, does it?

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

My webcomic Cold Servings

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[Guest Shuurai]

> > > Call it an eccentricity.

>

> > Nah; I'd rather just call it what it is: A lame attempt to cover the

> > fact that you lied and were called on it.

>

> Why do you care?

 

Why did you care enough to lie?

[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 5, 10:09 am, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com-- Back from hiatus!

> Updates Wednesdays

 

 

David, what exactly do you want?

[Guest David L. Burkhead]

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1906@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 4, 4:29 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >

> >

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> >

> > > On Dec 4, 10:30 am, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> > >> jkraus_1...@yahoo.com (Jerry Kraus) wrote

> > >>

innews:9d189e10-b1d6-4caf-9bbf-cc5fdb90e3e7@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

> >

> > >> > Spoken

> >

> > >> Are you still following me around?

> >

> > >> --

> > >> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

> >

> > > Have you considered a stalking complaint? Am I distracting you from

> > > your romantic obessession with firearms?

> >

> > Is he distracting from your romantic obession with your tiny penis?

> >

> > Frankly, I would have

> >

> > > thought your sexual fantasies regarding semi-automatic rifles would

> > > have been sufficient to keep you occupied.

> >

> > Frankly, I think you are a sexual freak show obsessing about sex. What's

the

> > matter you no one giving you any?

>

> Sounds like an offer to me, Frank.

 

Which says far more about you than it does about Herb.

> Most gun freaks are repressed

> homosexuals, I understand.

 

What you "understand" and reality do appear to be mutually exclusive,

yes.

> I see you're no exception.

 

I'm sure your delusions comfort you.

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

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[Guest Jerry Kraus]

On Dec 5, 10:12 am, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Call it an eccentricity.

>

> > > Nah; I'd rather just call it what it is: A lame attempt to cover the

> > > fact that you lied and were called on it.

>

> > Why do you care?

>

> Why did you care enough to lie?

 

Because I'm not. I just tell the truth. A concept many martial arts

enthusiasts find traumatic, apparently.

[Guest David L. Burkhead]

"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1906@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 5, 10:09 am, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh...@sff.net> wrote:

> > "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> > My webcomic Cold Servingshttp://www.coldservings.com-- Back from hiatus!

> > Updates Wednesdays

>

>

> David, what exactly do you want?

 

To be amused by an Internet troll.

 

And, so far, you're filling the bill very nicely.

 

--

David L. Burkhead "Dum Vivimus Vivamus"

mailto:dburkhead@sff.net "While we live, let us live."

My webcomic Cold Servings

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