WHY DO CHRISTIANS LISTEN TO CAVE DWELLERS AND GOAT FUCKERS ?

[Guest Feng]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:00:31 -0500, "Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com>

wrote:

>

>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

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>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:27:09 +1100, "Andrew W"

>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>>

>> >"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

>> >news:pm9mn3tsjkhj0dtursibp1vdifeputdsc2@4ax.com...

>> >> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:14:47 +1100, "Andrew W"

>> >> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>> >>

>> >>>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

>> >>>news:le5mn399ltnbcj53k4qcdhfogvpv52gbqk@4ax.com...

>> >>>> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

>> >>>> wrote:

>> >>>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>Andrew W wrote:

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>> >>>>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>> >>>>>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>> >>>>>> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>> >>>>>> >

>> >>>>>> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE

>CHRISTIAN

>> >>>>>> >>SKY

>> >>>>>> >>PIXIE

>> >>>>>> >>presented by the christian nuts.

>> >>>>>> >

>> >>>>>> > It's called eye witnesses.

>> >>>>>>

>> >>>>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>They are all conveniently dead

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>Obviously you Christians have a different meaning for the word

>'witness'.

>> >>>Simply announcing oneself to be a Christian automatically makes one a

>> >>>witness. Correct?

>> >>

>> >> No. His witnesses are people who have experienced his truth by

>> >> practicing his teaching.

>> >

>> >And how do you know when you've successfully completed this important

>step?

>> >How do you gauge what is "his truth" after 2000 years as opposed to what

>is

>> >not his truth?

>> >Does he come and tell you? Or do you just feel some warm and fuzzy

>feelings

>> >and perhaps experience some amazing synchronicities (miracles) in your

>life,

>> >which by the way sometimes also non-Christians and even atheists do?

>> >How do you explain the thousands of Christian sects and denomination who

>can

>> >never quite agree on exactly what God wants and how to get saved? They

>all

>> >claim what you and others here are claiming.

>>

>> I'm afraid I'm in no position to comment on any of these questions. I

>> only know to follow the Christ in my heart. Beyond that, it's out of

>> my control.

>

>You can say that again.

 

Thank you.

>

>

>>

>> >

>> >> They witness for him based on the truth they

>> >> learned in life.

>> >

>> >Everyone has their own take on the truth in their lives. Everyone has

>their

>> >own path. That is free will.

>> >No one has ever been able to show that their truth/path is any Godlier

>than

>> >anyone else's.

>> >Its a personal thing.

>>

>> Everyone has their own understanding about the truth, and their

>> personal spiritual path may be all different, but the Christ in

>> everyone's heart is all the same.

>

>Which truth do you understand?

 

What I don't understand is your question. I follow the truth of Jesus

Christ.

>

>

>>

>> >

>> >> Their testimony is not about their belief. Their

>> >> testimony is about what they have learned and experienced in real life

>> >> because of their belief in Jesus Christ.

>> >

>> >Everyone's experiences about Jesus Christ will be different because

>everyone

>> >has a slightly different take on what Christ is all about. Are they all

>> >correct? Does it matter? Hell yeah. How many different versions of truth

>> >about Christ are there?

>>

>> Christ's truth should not be determined by what's in people's mind, it

>> should be determined by what's in people's heart.

>

>Sorry, but the heart and mind should be one.

 

In heaven, yes. In this living hell, hardly.

>

>>

>> >

>> >> It does not have be miracle.

>> >

>> >A miracle to a religious person is often a fairly normal occurrence to

>one

>> >who has a better understanding of metaphysics.

>>

>> In my opinion, love is the only miracle.

>

>That we exist, is the only miracle.

 

No. We exist because of love. So only love is the real miracle.

>

>>

>> >

>> >> It does not have to be great success. It just has to be ordinary life

>> >> experience that is going to touch every good heart.

>> >

>> >Countless Christians preachers (and regular Christians) have claimed that

>> >they believed they have experienced God's truth through fantastic

>> >happenings, but we all know what happened to many of them. The TV

>> >evangelists are the most obvious examples.

>> >When a religious believer gets warm and fuzzies, they get exited and

>swear

>> >up and down that they have been shown the truth.

>> >But have they? Mostly No. They all have their own versions of the truth,

>and

>> >God doesn't seem to care either way, even when they misuse what he

>allegedly

>> >gave them.

>> >What I'm saying is that Christians are trusting and relying on a magical

>> >process which they've each cherry picked from their Bible and they can't

>see

>> >that its all over the shop (10,000-20,000 discordant Christian sects and

>> >denominations and still counting).

>>

>> God does not play magic. Too bad, what a disappointment to them.

>

>So, you have a direct line of communication to this claimed God?

 

No. I have faith that God can never be a magician just like I have

faith that God can never be an evil dictator.

>

>

>>

>> >

>> >>

>> >>>One of the signs of a sect/cult is they make up new meanings and

>> >>>definitions

>> >>>for certain words in the English language (as well as make up their own

>> >>>words in some cases e.g. sin).

>> >>

>> >> How am I doing?

>> >>

>> >> :-)

>> >

>> >Hmm. :-)

>>

>> Thank you very much for the smile.

>

>( ; )

 

???

>

>>

>> :-)

>

[Guest Feng]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:51:55 -0500, "Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com>

wrote:

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>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

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>> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >

>> >Andrew W wrote:

>> >

>> >> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>> >> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>> >> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN

>SKY

>> >> >>PIXIE

>> >> >>presented by the christian nuts.

>> >> >

>> >> > It's called eye witnesses.

>> >>

>> >> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>> >

>> >They are all conveniently dead

>>

>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

>>

>>

>Yes, conveniently brain dead Christians.

>

 

No, spiritually devoted Christians.

[Guest Ghamph]

"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:00:31 -0500, "Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

> >news:634nn3hj213knvg0gjrcoo7523f9ntgkl0@4ax.com...

> >> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:27:09 +1100, "Andrew W"

> >> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

> >>

> >> >"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

> >> >news:pm9mn3tsjkhj0dtursibp1vdifeputdsc2@4ax.com...

> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:14:47 +1100, "Andrew W"

> >> >> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >>>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

> >> >>>news:le5mn399ltnbcj53k4qcdhfogvpv52gbqk@4ax.com...

> >> >>>> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young

<alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

> >> >>>> wrote:

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>>

> >> >>>>>

> >> >>>>>Andrew W wrote:

> >> >>>>>

> >> >>>>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

> >> >>>>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

> >> >>>>>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> >> >>>>>> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

> >> >>>>>> >

> >> >>>>>> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE

> >CHRISTIAN

> >> >>>>>> >>SKY

> >> >>>>>> >>PIXIE

> >> >>>>>> >>presented by the christian nuts.

> >> >>>>>> >

> >> >>>>>> > It's called eye witnesses.

> >> >>>>>>

> >> >>>>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

> >> >>>>>

> >> >>>>>They are all conveniently dead

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>>Obviously you Christians have a different meaning for the word

> >'witness'.

> >> >>>Simply announcing oneself to be a Christian automatically makes one

a

> >> >>>witness. Correct?

> >> >>

> >> >> No. His witnesses are people who have experienced his truth by

> >> >> practicing his teaching.

> >> >

> >> >And how do you know when you've successfully completed this important

> >step?

> >> >How do you gauge what is "his truth" after 2000 years as opposed to

what

> >is

> >> >not his truth?

> >> >Does he come and tell you? Or do you just feel some warm and fuzzy

> >feelings

> >> >and perhaps experience some amazing synchronicities (miracles) in your

> >life,

> >> >which by the way sometimes also non-Christians and even atheists do?

> >> >How do you explain the thousands of Christian sects and denomination

who

> >can

> >> >never quite agree on exactly what God wants and how to get saved? They

> >all

> >> >claim what you and others here are claiming.

> >>

> >> I'm afraid I'm in no position to comment on any of these questions. I

> >> only know to follow the Christ in my heart. Beyond that, it's out of

> >> my control.

> >

> >You can say that again.

>

> Thank you.

>

> >

> >

> >>

> >> >

> >> >> They witness for him based on the truth they

> >> >> learned in life.

> >> >

> >> >Everyone has their own take on the truth in their lives. Everyone has

> >their

> >> >own path. That is free will.

> >> >No one has ever been able to show that their truth/path is any Godlier

> >than

> >> >anyone else's.

> >> >Its a personal thing.

> >>

> >> Everyone has their own understanding about the truth, and their

> >> personal spiritual path may be all different, but the Christ in

> >> everyone's heart is all the same.

> >

> >Which truth do you understand?

>

> What I don't understand is your question. I follow the truth of Jesus

> Christ.

>

> >

> >

> >>

> >> >

> >> >> Their testimony is not about their belief. Their

> >> >> testimony is about what they have learned and experienced in real

life

> >> >> because of their belief in Jesus Christ.

> >> >

> >> >Everyone's experiences about Jesus Christ will be different because

> >everyone

> >> >has a slightly different take on what Christ is all about. Are they

all

> >> >correct? Does it matter? Hell yeah. How many different versions of

truth

> >> >about Christ are there?

> >>

> >> Christ's truth should not be determined by what's in people's mind, it

> >> should be determined by what's in people's heart.

> >

> >Sorry, but the heart and mind should be one.

>

> In heaven, yes. In this living hell, hardly.

>

> >

> >>

> >> >

> >> >> It does not have be miracle.

> >> >

> >> >A miracle to a religious person is often a fairly normal occurrence to

> >one

> >> >who has a better understanding of metaphysics.

> >>

> >> In my opinion, love is the only miracle.

> >

> >That we exist, is the only miracle.

>

> No. We exist because of love. So only love is the real miracle.

 

 

We exist, there is nothing to credit or blame for it.

We exist, nothing can prevent that.

We exist, we will always exist and I can prove it.

Life is never ending.

We are alive and we always will be.

You (and I) have eternal life.

The first proof is that anything that can be done, can be done again.

There are other proofs that take commitment to see.

The truth will set you free.

To know is the goal.

Jamffer

 

 

 

 

>

> >

> >>

> >> >

> >> >> It does not have to be great success. It just has to be ordinary

life

> >> >> experience that is going to touch every good heart.

> >> >

> >> >Countless Christians preachers (and regular Christians) have claimed

that

> >> >they believed they have experienced God's truth through fantastic

> >> >happenings, but we all know what happened to many of them. The TV

> >> >evangelists are the most obvious examples.

> >> >When a religious believer gets warm and fuzzies, they get exited and

> >swear

> >> >up and down that they have been shown the truth.

> >> >But have they? Mostly No. They all have their own versions of the

truth,

> >and

> >> >God doesn't seem to care either way, even when they misuse what he

> >allegedly

> >> >gave them.

> >> >What I'm saying is that Christians are trusting and relying on a

magical

> >> >process which they've each cherry picked from their Bible and they

can't

> >see

> >> >that its all over the shop (10,000-20,000 discordant Christian sects

and

> >> >denominations and still counting).

> >>

> >> God does not play magic. Too bad, what a disappointment to them.

> >

> >So, you have a direct line of communication to this claimed God?

>

> No. I have faith that God can never be a magician just like I have

> faith that God can never be an evil dictator.

>

> >

> >

> >>

> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >>>One of the signs of a sect/cult is they make up new meanings and

> >> >>>definitions

> >> >>>for certain words in the English language (as well as make up their

own

> >> >>>words in some cases e.g. sin).

> >> >>

> >> >> How am I doing?

> >> >>

> >> >> :-)

> >> >

> >> >Hmm. :-)

> >>

> >> Thank you very much for the smile.

> >

> >( ; )

>

> ???

>

> >

> >>

> >> :-)

> >

[Guest SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim]

>>>

>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

>>>

>>>

>>Yes, conveniently brain dead Christians.

>>

>

> No, spiritually devoted Christians.

 

I think you mean brainwashed christian morons

[Guest Feng]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:41:57 -0500, "Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com>

wrote:

>> >> In my opinion, love is the only miracle.

>> >

>> >That we exist, is the only miracle.

>>

>> No. We exist because of love. So only love is the real miracle.

>

>

>We exist, there is nothing to credit or blame for it.

>We exist, nothing can prevent that.

>We exist, we will always exist and I can prove it.

>Life is never ending.

>We are alive and we always will be.

>You (and I) have eternal life.

>The first proof is that anything that can be done, can be done again.

>There are other proofs that take commitment to see.

>The truth will set you free.

>To know is the goal.

>Jamffer

 

That is a deluded poor soul.

 

In truth, only love exists, we don't.

[Guest Feng]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:56:47 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

<killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>Yes, conveniently brain dead Christians.

>>>

>>

>> No, spiritually devoted Christians.

>

>I think you mean brainwashed christian morons

>

 

No, I mean spiritually cleansed Christian devotees.

[Guest Ghamph]

"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:41:57 -0500, "Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com>

> wrote:

>

> >> >> In my opinion, love is the only miracle.

> >> >

> >> >That we exist, is the only miracle.

> >>

> >> No. We exist because of love. So only love is the real miracle.

> >

> >

> >We exist, there is nothing to credit or blame for it.

> >We exist, nothing can prevent that.

> >We exist, we will always exist and I can prove it.

> >Life is never ending.

> >We are alive and we always will be.

> >You (and I) have eternal life.

> >The first proof is that anything that can be done, can be done again.

> >There are other proofs that take commitment to see.

> >The truth will set you free.

> >To know is the goal.

> >Jamffer

>

> That is a deluded poor soul.

>

> In truth, only love exists, we don't.

 

Since you don't exist, bye, moron.

[Guest Ghamph]

"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:56:47 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>

> >>>>

> >>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>Yes, conveniently brain dead Christians.

> >>>

> >>

> >> No, spiritually devoted Christians.

> >

> >I think you mean brainwashed christian morons

> >

>

> No, I mean spiritually cleansed Christian devotees.

 

You at least admit it, amazing!

[Guest Feng]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:01:08 -0500, "Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com>

wrote:

>

>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

>news:ktgon35go8hag4h7fmoa5ckpeut947qk65@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:41:57 -0500, "Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>> >> >> In my opinion, love is the only miracle.

>> >> >

>> >> >That we exist, is the only miracle.

>> >>

>> >> No. We exist because of love. So only love is the real miracle.

>> >

>> >

>> >We exist, there is nothing to credit or blame for it.

>> >We exist, nothing can prevent that.

>> >We exist, we will always exist and I can prove it.

>> >Life is never ending.

>> >We are alive and we always will be.

>> >You (and I) have eternal life.

>> >The first proof is that anything that can be done, can be done again.

>> >There are other proofs that take commitment to see.

>> >The truth will set you free.

>> >To know is the goal.

>> >Jamffer

>>

>> That is a deluded poor soul.

>>

>> In truth, only love exists, we don't.

>

>Since you don't exist, bye, moron.

>

 

Fine, see you later, my fellow nonexistent moron.

[Guest Feng]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:02:19 -0500, "Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com>

wrote:

>

>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

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>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:56:47 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>Yes, conveniently brain dead Christians.

>> >>>

>> >>

>> >> No, spiritually devoted Christians.

>> >

>> >I think you mean brainwashed christian morons

>> >

>>

>> No, I mean spiritually cleansed Christian devotees.

>

>You at least admit it, amazing!

>

 

I admit nothing. The purification of soul has nothing to do with

brainwashing.

[Guest Gabriel]

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:28:17 +1100, "Andrew W"

<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>news:195nn31p7iqvltojc0bin3urv4pnif94jj@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:28:46 +1100, "Andrew W"

>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>>

>>>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>>news:4m9mn3915vegf3j2askte8c5hes2kbsjid@4ax.com...

>>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, "Andrew W"

>>>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>>>>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>>>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>>>>>PIXIE

>>>>>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>>>>

>>>> You ask for a witness, yet you take a woman's word for it who

>>>> claims to have spoken to Jesus Christ in the 60's, and now follow

>>>> her newly designed religion. Please stop being a hypocrite.

>>>

>>>Is this your best rebuke? I follow one woman's religion, yeah right.

>>>Whatever.

>>

>> So now you're claiming you don't follow her teachings?

>

>I don't follow any one source of teachings.

 

The fact is she is one of the people you follow. You falsely try

to now deny this, if you recall your "yeah right. Whatever." from

above. End of argument.

 

gabriel

>I study many sources.

>And I definitely don't follow people themselves. I discern the content of

>the materials in every case.

>

>>

>> Then please take her out of your signature line if that's true.

>> She's in the sig line of every post you make: her "course in

>> miracles", which is a religion created by a woman who claims to

>> have had conversations with Jesus Christ, is always in your sig:

>>

>> "Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of

>> it!

>> http://www.acim.org/"

>>

>> She clearly makes reference to "the voice" on her website:

>> http://www.acim.org/ACIM/HowItCame.htm

>

>Why are you focusing so much on this one individual involved in this

>particular project?

>Why don't you spend less time focusing on human individuals and more on the

>materials themselves?

>Then look at other sources as well. There are many.

>

>> Do you investigate what you believe in so strongly? You clearly

>> didn't read much about her if you didn't know this.

>>

>> What do you do now? Start denying you follow her (while

>> continuing to advertise for her in your sig lines it should be

>> noted). I suppose now it's getting embarrassing for you to follow

>> a woman's created religion that claims to have spoken with Jesus

>> Christ, and it should be.

>>

>> Why are you being less than honest about this Andrew? A question

>> you want to answer for yourself, not me.

>>

>> If it's true that you don't follow her, then show it by taking

>> her out of your signature line.

>>

>>>This rebuke is getting old, Rafael, er, I mean Gabriel.

>>>I think I'll wait a few days in case you think of a new and better one.

>>

>> And now you resort to weak insults as well? Why the insults,

>> Andrew? A question you want to answer for yourself, not me.

>>

>> You've already made it obvious long ago you are less than honest

>> and are more about personal attacks, then truth, and certainly

>> you don't match the "all about love" woman-made religion you

>> hypocritically claim to follow. Please ask yourself why you're

>> being less than honest and hypocritical. It's the best evidence

>> you could ask for in helping you find the truth.

>>

>> gabriel

[Guest Andrew W]

"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:28:17 +1100, "Andrew W"

> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>

>>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>news:195nn31p7iqvltojc0bin3urv4pnif94jj@4ax.com...

>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:28:46 +1100, "Andrew W"

>>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>>>

>>>>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>news:4m9mn3915vegf3j2askte8c5hes2kbsjid@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, "Andrew W"

>>>>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>>>>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN

>>>>>>>>SKY

>>>>>>>>PIXIE

>>>>>>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>>>>>

>>>>> You ask for a witness, yet you take a woman's word for it who

>>>>> claims to have spoken to Jesus Christ in the 60's, and now follow

>>>>> her newly designed religion. Please stop being a hypocrite.

>>>>

>>>>Is this your best rebuke? I follow one woman's religion, yeah right.

>>>>Whatever.

>>>

>>> So now you're claiming you don't follow her teachings?

>>

>>I don't follow any one source of teachings.

>

> The fact is she is one of the people you follow. You falsely try

> to now deny this, if you recall your "yeah right. Whatever." from

> above. End of argument.

>

> gabriel

 

 

You seem to have a fixation about this.

I don't follow people. I search for information and truth.

Anyone can be a channel for higher information. In many ways we all are at

different times.

In creation all intelligent life forms are information points.

 

--

Andrew W.

 

Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth

naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief

and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the

messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.

 

You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda

 

Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit

guides, earth changes.

http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm

 

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich

Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

 

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!

http://www.acim.org/

 

Religion Exposed!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

[Guest SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim]

"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:56:47 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>

>>>>>

>>>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>Yes, conveniently brain dead Christians.

>>>>

>>>

>>> No, spiritually devoted Christians.

>>

>>I think you mean brainwashed christian morons

>>

>

> No, I mean spiritually cleansed Christian devotees.

 

translation - christian cult members

[Guest Feng]

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:24:22 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

<killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>

>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

>news:gchon35sp1hl2k86ejs3bidbrkj9baa8pc@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:56:47 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>Yes, conveniently brain dead Christians.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> No, spiritually devoted Christians.

>>>

>>>I think you mean brainwashed christian morons

>>>

>>

>> No, I mean spiritually cleansed Christian devotees.

>

>translation - christian cult members

 

Christianity as a religion has fallen victim to the evil dark lord. It

can't cleanse anyone. It only contaminates everyone. The real

spiritual cleansing only happens to the individuals.

 

It's a direct blessing from God, personally.

[Guest Bill M]

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>

>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>PIXIE

>>presented by the christian nuts.

>

> It's called eye witnesses.

 

It may be called that by the ignorent l;ike you. It is not eye witness it is

'claimed' witness and we have NO

evidence fo the veracity or even existence of the claimed witness!

> duke, American-American

>

> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."

> Pope Paul VI

>

[Guest duke]

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:46:01 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

<killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>

>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>

>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>PIXIE

>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>

>> It's called eye witnesses.

>eyewitness of superstitious cave dwellers and goat fuckers from a couple of

>thousand years ago.

>try again.

 

Is what year did eye witness accounts become totally separate from

truth. 523AD, 1517, 1932, 1999, 2007?

>you're not going to suggest that ernest angley or benny hinn were really

>healing people are you? if so, why didn't they heal amputees? what does the

>christian god have against amputees?

 

Amputees are a result of man's sins.

 

duke, American-American

 

"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."

Pope Paul VI

[Guest Bill M]

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:46:01 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>

>>

>>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>>PIXIE

>>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>

>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>

>>eyewitness of superstitious cave dwellers and goat fuckers from a couple

>>of

>>thousand years ago.

>>try again.

>

> Is what year did eye witness accounts become totally separate from

> truth. 523AD, 1517, 1932, 1999, 2007?

 

1552 before the invention of the printing press. Prior to the pring press

everything was pure heresay!

>>you're not going to suggest that ernest angley or benny hinn were really

>>healing people are you? if so, why didn't they heal amputees? what does

>>the

>>christian god have against amputees?

>

> Amputees are a result of man's sins.

>

> duke, American-American

>

> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."

> Pope Paul VI

>

[Guest duke]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, "Andrew W"

<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>

>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>PIXIE

>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>

>> It's called eye witnesses.

>

>

>Can we interview one of these witnesses?

 

Get me one from the American Civil War, and I'll get you one from the

days of Jesus.

 

duke, American-American

 

"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."

Pope Paul VI

[Guest duke]

On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:02 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

wrote:

>> >there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY PIXIE

>> >presented by the christian nuts.

>> It's called eye witnesses.....

>..only by people wearing blinkers recalling the lies crammed into them as an

>innocent child.

 

Except that the story has continued unabated and unchallenged for 2000

years now. Now that's truth.

 

 

duke, American-American

 

"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."

Pope Paul VI

[Guest Bill M]

"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> Bob Frapples wrote:

>

>> alt wrote:

>> > On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, Andrew W wrote:

>> >

>> >> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>> >> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>> >>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>> >>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>> >>>

>> >>>> there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN

>> >>>> SKY

>> >>>> PIXIE

>> >>>> presented by the christian nuts.

>> >>> It's called eye witnesses.

>> >>

>> >> Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>> >

>> > As long as we are allowed to interview an eye witness to Julius Caesar.

>>

>> A MAJOR difference here, though, is that there are no extraordinary

>> claims regarding Julius Caesar. Extraordinary claims (such as those

>> claims made about Jesus) require extraordinary evidence. An eyewitness

>> account is not extraordinary. Besides, we DO NOT HAVE eyewitness

>> accounts of the life of Jesus. The gospels were written long after the

>> supposed time of the crucifixion and simply CANNOT be taken as

>> eyewitness accounts. In a court of law they would simply be dismissed as

>> hearsay.

>

> Or, wasting The Court's time

>

>>

>> If God came to earth in the flesh and sacrificed himself to himself to

>> save all of mankind (which is another subject entirely) why on earth is

>> there such feeble evidence of such an occurrence? It seems that giving

>> mankind sufficient evidence would be a far lesser challenge than the

>> whole sacrifice business in itself.

>

> Absolutely

 

The average person today does not appreciate the difficulty and unlikelihood

 

of producing accurate transmissions of the original Bibles.

 

 

 

One of the problems with the accuracy of the Bibles is that when they were

copied,

 

no marks of punctuation were used, no distinction was made between lower

case and upper case letters and more bizarre to modern script, no spaces

were used to separate words.

 

 

 

This kind of continuous writing was called "scriptuo continua"

 

'godisnowhere' could mean 'god is now here' or quit the opposite, 'god is no

where' depending on the spacing which not used at the time. This left

accurate interpretation

 

very difficult and unlikely.

 

 

 

Add to this the natural occurrence of errors of transmission and the

intentional modification to suit e the transcribers wishes and beliefs and

you have documents of highly questionable meaning and accuracy.

 

 

 

Further compounding the problem was the size and accuracy of the

vocabularies which were much more limited than today.

[Guest Bill M]

"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:27:09 +1100, "Andrew W"

> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>

>>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

>>news:pm9mn3tsjkhj0dtursibp1vdifeputdsc2@4ax.com...

>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:14:47 +1100, "Andrew W"

>>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>>>

>>>>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message

 

> Christ's truth should not be determined by what's in people's mind, it

> should be determined by what's in people's heart.

 

Get an education. The only thing in peoples hearts is blood and muscle.

 

All thought, imagination and reason is in peoples brains!

[Guest Bill M]

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, "Andrew W"

> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>

>>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>>PIXIE

>>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>

>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>>

>>

>>Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>

> Get me one from the American Civil War, and I'll get you one from the

> days of Jesus.

 

Get an education! At the 'claimed time of Jesus' all information was

transmitted by word of mouth and copied

text.

 

During the Civil War we had hundreds of printing presses and Newspapers.

There is a huge difference in

reliability and accuracy between to the two time periods.

> duke, American-American

>

> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."

> Pope Paul VI

>

[Guest Bill M]

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

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> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:02 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>

> wrote:

>

>>> >there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>> >PIXIE

>>> >presented by the christian nuts.

>>> It's called eye witnesses.....

>

>>..only by people wearing blinkers recalling the lies crammed into them as

>>an

>>innocent child.

>

> Except that the story has continued unabated and unchallenged for 2000

> years now. Now that's truth.

 

Yes, the myths and fables have continued for 2,000 years but their accuracy

and

authenticvity have been challenged by thousands of scholers ever since!

> duke, American-American

>

> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."

> Pope Paul VI

>

[Guest Andrew W]

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:46:01 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>

>>

>>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>>PIXIE

>>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>

>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>

>>eyewitness of superstitious cave dwellers and goat fuckers from a couple

>>of

>>thousand years ago.

>>try again.

>

> Is what year did eye witness accounts become totally separate from

> truth. 523AD, 1517, 1932, 1999, 2007?

 

In 33AD, when Jesus allegedly left the earth (that was the last time anyone

saw him), and around 100AD, when the last eye witness died.

After that all we have is hearsay, and some copied reading material from

pious priests and scribes.

>

>>you're not going to suggest that ernest angley or benny hinn were really

>>healing people are you? if so, why didn't they heal amputees? what does

>>the

>>christian god have against amputees?

>

> Amputees are a result of man's sins.

 

What about babies that are born without limbs?

 

 

--

Andrew W.

 

Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth

naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief

and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the

messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.

 

You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda

 

Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit

guides, earth changes.

http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm

 

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich

Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

 

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!

http://www.acim.org/

 

Religion Exposed!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

[Guest Andrew W]

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:05:40 +1100, "Andrew W"

> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>

>>"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message

>>news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...

>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

>>> <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN SKY

>>>>PIXIE

>>>>presented by the christian nuts.

>>>

>>> It's called eye witnesses.

>>

>>

>>Can we interview one of these witnesses?

>

> Get me one from the American Civil War, and I'll get you one from the

> days of Jesus.

 

 

Not much comparison. The Civil War was a more recent event and was recorded

with better methods.

And it was not pumped up by zealous religionists.

 

--

Andrew W.

 

Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth

naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief

and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the

messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.

 

You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda

 

Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit

guides, earth changes.

http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm

 

The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich

Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm

 

Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!

http://www.acim.org/

 

Religion Exposed!

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner