Guest Governor Swill Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> used a stick in the sand to babble >> Coast? Of course not. Did Clinton win that way? > >You're living in the past. Virginia elected one Democratic senator in 2006 >and will likely elect another one this year. Democrats will win many of the >states listed, and those they don't (Mississippi, Alabama) aren't worth the >bother. > >Let the Republics be the party of the rednecks and yahoos. Most of America >is rejecting Cheney/Bush and their enablers in Congress. Obviously 2006 >wasn't object lesson enough. That two-by-four is really going to whack you >this year, as states you assumed would never abadon the party of greed and >failure do so in voting Democratic instead. Georgia will go Republican as usual. Lot of electoral votes there. Florida could go either way. I predict a LOT of campaigning in Florida. Swill Quote
Guest Dan Kimmel Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 "Gooserider" <Gooserider@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message news:4781500d$0$28779$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > > "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote in message > news:4O6dncozYZ8gTR3anZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@rcn.net... > > > > "Gooserider" <Gooserider@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message > > news:4780c3d1$0$9621$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > >> > >> "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote in message > >> news:HOudnTmh1Zlya-LanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@rcn.net... > >> > > >> > "Gooserider" <Gooserider@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message > >> > news:477ff047$0$9558$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > >> >> > >> >> "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:13nve1vag7j4qdd@corp.supernews.com... > >> >> > Simpson wrote: > >> >> >> ... at the same rate they stayed home for the Iowa caucuses, it > >> >> >> will > >> >> >> be > >> > a > >> >> >> Democratic landslide not seen since the days of FDR. > >> >> > > >> >> > The Republicans did NOT "stay home" in Iowa. Turnout was higher > >> >> > for > >> > the > >> >> > GOP caucus in 2008 than in 2004. > >> >> > > >> >> > What happened was that there was a much larger increase in turnout > > for > >> > the > >> >> > Dem caucus. Young voters, who are usually apathetic about voting, > >> > turned > >> >> > out in droves just to vote for Obama. > >> >> > > >> >> > What that suggests is that if Obama gets the Dem nomination, he will > >> >> > clobber the GOP. But if Hillary gets the Dem nomination, it will be > >> > much > >> >> > closer. > >> >> > > >> >> Obama can't win the south. No way. You don't win the presidency > >> >> without > >> > the > >> >> south, and that's just not going to happen. Edwards could win the > > south. > >> >> He's a southern white guy. But Hillary won't, and Obama won't. Obama > >> >> is > > a > >> >> black guy with a funny name, and Hillary is Hillary. > >> > > >> > Of course you can win without the South. The South is the most > >> > un-American > >> > part of the country and most out of step with America. Much of the > > South > >> > (but not all of it) will go for which ever loser the Republics > >> > nominate. > >> > It > >> > won't matter. The Republics are now a regional party of fringe > >> > extremists. > >> > The Democratic Party represents America, and that's why whoever gets > >> > the > >> > nomination will win big -- without the so-called "important" South. > > After > >> > this election they'll be talking about the marginalization of the > >> > South, > >> > not > >> > how crucial it is. > >> > > >> > >> So go ahead and tell me when the last president won without the south. > >> You > >> know, all the electoral college votes in Virginia, West Virginia, North > > and > >> South Carolina, Tennesee, Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, > > Mississippi, > >> Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma. > >> > >> You cannot win without the South. Period. The Midwest(except Illinois), > >> Southwest, and Rocky Mountain states have more in common philosophically > >> with the South than they do with the Northeast and West Coast, too. > >> > >> Do you think a candidate can win by only winning the Northeast and the > > Left > >> Coast? Of course not. Did Clinton win that way? > > > > You're living in the past. Virginia elected one Democratic senator in > > 2006 > > and will likely elect another one this year. Democrats will win many of > > the > > states listed, and those they don't (Mississippi, Alabama) aren't worth > > the > > bother. > > > > Let the Republics be the party of the rednecks and yahoos. Most of > > America > > is rejecting Cheney/Bush and their enablers in Congress. Obviously 2006 > > wasn't object lesson enough. That two-by-four is really going to whack > > you > > this year, as states you assumed would never abadon the party of greed and > > failure do so in voting Democratic instead. > > > > The states and regions I mentioned will NEVER vote for someone who is weak > on illegal immigration and favors gun control. Clinton won because he was a > "good ol' boy"--even if he wasn't really. Obama and Hillary have no chance. I agreee that the South is the most un-American part of the country, and the least representative. > The only Democratic candidate with a snowball's chance in the South is > Edwards. He will be your nominee after Super Tuesday. That would please me just fine. You're wrong. It's the Democrats' to lose this year, but I'd be very happy with Edwards. Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ni01o3dp0breja6spjbcqhfqhqftfg6ks7@4ax.com... > "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to > babble >>>> http://www.midiowanews.com/site/tab1.cfm?newsid=19171042&BRD=2700&PAG=461&dept_id=554432&rfi=6 >>>> Try again. >>> "Eight years ago [before the judicial coup d' Quote
Guest Simpson Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Patriot Games wrote: > "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ni01o3dp0breja6spjbcqhfqhqftfg6ks7@4ax.com... >> "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to >> babble >>>>> http://www.midiowanews.com/site/tab1.cfm?newsid=19171042&BRD=2700&PAG=461&dept_id=554432&rfi=6 >>>>> Try again. >>>> "Eight years ago [before the judicial coup d' Quote
Guest Governor Swill Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 "Gooserider" <Gooserider@mouse-potato.com> used a stick in the sand to babble >The states and regions I mentioned will NEVER vote for someone who is weak >on illegal immigration and favors gun control. Clinton won because he was a >"good ol' boy"--even if he wasn't really. Obama and Hillary have no chance. >The only Democratic candidate with a snowball's chance in the South is >Edwards. He will be your nominee after Super Tuesday. No President can win without the South. He must either take it or it has to fragment (as in 1968). I'll bet Georgia will go for Huckabee. Swill Quote
Guest Governor Swill Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to babble >>>Buckwheat managed the otherwise impossible. He got the 30-something and >>>under to actually come out and vote. >> Once. In Iowa where he's had a long time to work very hard. But >> spending a few months getting some kids out in Iowa isn't the same as >> getting votes in a general election or Florida for example. > >Its isn't gonna be easy. But I think he's gonna get it done... I hope so. It's less that I like Obama than that the GOP needs to be kicked out of the WH for at least a term without being replaced by a Clinton. Two families have occupied the WH for twenty years now. I wouldn't want to make it 24 or 28. >>>> What I don't understand is what is getting the Repugs so enthused to >>>> show >>>> up. Repug candidates have a long list of short-comings. >>>Apparently THEY don't think so, duh. >> The Dem turnout was better. > >Sure, and that was because of the addition of the 30-somethings. And, I think, more enthusiasm from the Dems in general. Their choices are shaping up nicely, the field of candidates is evolving a more unified message. They all have some good ideas but I'm really getting tired of Hillary answering questions by noting what "We" did in the nineties. >> I love it when you get it too. > >Hahahaha!! Are you noticing that traditional Hitlary-supporters are simply >aghast and flapping around like lip-hooked fish on the pier? They don't get >it.... I don't think so. This doesn't mean the won't get it, but will they get it early enough and figure out the way around it. Noticed Romney wagging his finger at those who would attempt character assasination or name calling even as he made false claims about their positions. I gotta say, the debates during this cycle are really well done for the most part. I thought the Fox network ones I saw were more shouting matches, but their specialty is controversy creation. The first ABC one with George annoyed me. He reduced it to the level of sunday morning television and so directed and restricted discussion that the candidates really didn't get much chance to show themselves. The CNN Youtube ones were much better and saturday's ABC/FACEBOOK/WMUR debates the best yet. Everybody had a comfortable chair and it was like a discussion among friends in the living room over coffee. >> Vote against incumbents in party primaries, then vote your party in >> November. It's the only way to throw the bums out. > >You are totally correct. Keep them OFF the ballot and they CANNOT be >re-elected! > >We might get a whole NEW boatload of bums, that's always a risk, but its >worth the risk to dump the KNOWN bums. It sends a message of unhappiness from the public. >>>Roughly 60% is par for the course. >> I recall a 43% turnout once in the seventies. > >Yep, in the 80% we started seeing (roughly) 60% for the Presidential >elections and 50% for the off-year elections. That's what made 2006 so >weird - we only saw 40%. The right stayed home. The GOP lost in 2006 every bit as much as the Dems won it. The Dems aren't going to get anything done or gain any power as long as they keep picking up Republican rejection. They're going to have to take some positive actions after this year and they have to succeed. >If Buckwheat can keep bringing out the 30-somethings then we could easily >see records broken. It's a long way from Iowa and New Hampshire to the ballot box. Kids have short attention spans. Swill Quote
Guest Governor Swill Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Simpson <two--part@epoxy.com> used a stick in the sand to babble >>> Vote against incumbents in party primaries, then vote your party in >>> November. It's the only way to throw the bums out. >> >> You are totally correct. Keep them OFF the ballot and they CANNOT be >> re-elected! > > >It worked with Joe Lieberman! > > >oh, wait... Lol! Point taken. Still, there are always exceptions and Lieberman was a special case. Consensus seems to be that he lost his primary in a public fury over his Iraq support. But in the end, the voters realized that Joe was their guy. He was a powerful Senator with experience and a national reputation who brought his State much from Washington so they re-elected him over the guy many of them had voted for in the primary. Swill Quote
Guest Dan Kimmel Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t855o35m80le19ddvpu6ngblcgr4cl82eo@4ax.com... > Simpson <two--part@epoxy.com> used a stick in the sand to babble > >>> Vote against incumbents in party primaries, then vote your party in > >>> November. It's the only way to throw the bums out. > >> > >> You are totally correct. Keep them OFF the ballot and they CANNOT be > >> re-elected! > > > > > >It worked with Joe Lieberman! > > > > > >oh, wait... > > Lol! Point taken. Still, there are always exceptions and Lieberman > was a special case. Consensus seems to be that he lost his primary in > a public fury over his Iraq support. But in the end, the voters > realized that Joe was their guy. He was a powerful Senator with > experience and a national reputation who brought his State much from > Washington so they re-elected him over the guy many of them had voted > for in the primary. Lieberman won for two reasons: 1. The Republicans completely abandoned their nominee. If there had been two Bush supporters contending in the rest, Lamont would have won easily. 2. Lamont made the incredible error of allowing the first time most people saw him -- the night he won the primary -- to be with him sharing a stage with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I believe he would have weathered any controversy over Jackson, who does have some legtimacy. But Sharpton is a racist demagogue who ought to be treated as a pariah, not welcomed as a supporter. If Obama gets the nomination -- and he could do it -- he should make a point of cutting off Sharpton and making it clear he will have no place at the table in an Obama presidency. Quote
Guest r wiley Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ni01o3dp0breja6spjbcqhfqhqftfg6ks7@4ax.com... > "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to > babble >> >>Buckwheat managed the otherwise impossible. He got the 30-something and >>under to actually come out and vote. > > Once. In Iowa where he's had a long time to work very hard. But > spending a few months getting some kids out in Iowa isn't the same as > getting votes in a general election or Florida for example. > Edwards never left. He has been organizing in Iowa since 2004. Dodd rented a house in Iowa and moved his family in. rw Quote
Guest Governor Swill Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> used a stick in the sand to babble >Lieberman won for two reasons: > >1. The Republicans completely abandoned their nominee. If there had been >two Bush supporters contending in the rest, Lamont would have won easily. > >2. Lamont made the incredible error of allowing the first time most people >saw him -- the night he won the primary -- to be with him sharing a stage >with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I believe he would have weathered any >controversy over Jackson, who does have some legtimacy. But Sharpton is a >racist demagogue who ought to be treated as a pariah, not welcomed as a >supporter. > >If Obama gets the nomination -- and he could do it -- he should make a point >of cutting off Sharpton and making it clear he will have no place at the >table in an Obama presidency. I won't dispute any of that. Swill Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 "Simpleton" <two--part@epoxy.com> wrote in message news:fitgj.61267$eY.6802@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net... > Patriot Games wrote: >> You are totally correct. Keep them OFF the ballot and they CANNOT be >> re-elected! > It worked with Joe Lieberman! > oh, wait... By definition a "bum" is UNWANTED. Lieberman was CHOSEN OVER the OTHER candidate THEREFORE he was NOT unwanted. Try to get a clue. Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d345o3d6o8ve2ckljuaitgcu00et2pmk1p@4ax.com... > "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to > babble >>>>Buckwheat managed the otherwise impossible. He got the 30-something and >>>>under to actually come out and vote. >>> Once. In Iowa where he's had a long time to work very hard. But >>> spending a few months getting some kids out in Iowa isn't the same as >>> getting votes in a general election or Florida for example. >>Its isn't gonna be easy. But I think he's gonna get it done... > I hope so. It's less that I like Obama than that the GOP needs to be > kicked out of the WH for at least a term without being replaced by a > Clinton. Two families have occupied the WH for twenty years now. I > wouldn't want to make it 24 or 28. Hahahahhahahahaha!!! >>Sure, and that was because of the addition of the 30-somethings. > And, I think, more enthusiasm from the Dems in general. Their choices > are shaping up nicely, the field of candidates is evolving a more > unified message. They all have some good ideas but I'm really getting > tired of Hillary answering questions by noting what "We" did in the > nineties. The 30-somethings are active, involved, and rejecting her, her 90's, and ALL of that historical bullshit. The 30-somethings are all about NOW, ME, ME NOW, and do it FAST. Hitlary was already out of fashion before this started. The ONLY place in America she could have gotten elected was the ghetto of Harlem WHICH IS WHY she moved there. >>> I love it when you get it too. >>Hahahaha!! Are you noticing that traditional Hitlary-supporters are >>simply >>aghast and flapping around like lip-hooked fish on the pier? They don't >>get >>it.... > I don't think so. This doesn't mean the won't get it, but will they > get it early enough and figure out the way around it. > Noticed Romney wagging his finger at those who would attempt character > assasination or name calling even as he made false claims about their > positions. Romney is doing a good job at this. > It's a long way from Iowa and New Hampshire to the ballot box. Kids > have short attention spans. Conventional wisdom says you're correct. However, conventional wisdom also said NOBODY could get them out for a caucus or a primary and Buckwheat did that... This just in: "officials are predicting will be RECORD TURNOUTS for the first-in-the-nation presidential primary." I'll post the whole story next... Looks like Buckwheat DID IT AGAIN! Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 "r wiley" <rawiley@southslope.net> wrote in message news:flufh0$t9u$1@news.netins.net... > "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ni01o3dp0breja6spjbcqhfqhqftfg6ks7@4ax.com... >> "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to >> babble >>>Buckwheat managed the otherwise impossible. He got the 30-something and >>>under to actually come out and vote. >> Once. In Iowa where he's had a long time to work very hard. But >> spending a few months getting some kids out in Iowa isn't the same as >> getting votes in a general election or Florida for example. > Edwards never left. He has been organizing in Iowa since 2004. Dodd > rented a house in Iowa and moved his family in. Counting his ENTIRE LIFE, how many presidential primaries and caucuses has Breck Gurl won? Zero. I dare you to tell me that's NOT a hint... Quote
Guest AnAmericanCitizen Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:48:28 -0500, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote: >I'll bet Georgia will go for Huckabee. I'll take that bet. If you like I'll put you in touch with a number of Baptists I know in that state.....AAC "Romney got tough on drugs like meth. He never pardoned a single criminal. And Mike Huckabee?" He granted 1,033 pardons and commutations, including 12 convicted murderers. Huckabee granted more clemencies than the previous three governors combined. Even reduced penalties for manufacturing methamphetamine. On crime, the difference is judgment." Quote
Guest Governor Swill Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to babble >> I hope so. It's less that I like Obama than that the GOP needs to be >> kicked out of the WH for at least a term without being replaced by a >> Clinton. Two families have occupied the WH for twenty years now. I >> wouldn't want to make it 24 or 28. > >Hahahahhahahahaha!!! But given a choice between Clinton and any Republican (McCain and Giuliani excepted), I'd be voting for Clinton. But I'd vote for Obama over anybody. Anything to keep the GOP out of the White House. Swill Quote
Guest Governor Swill Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to babble >The 30-somethings are active, involved, and rejecting her, her 90's, and ALL >of that historical bullshit. The 30-somethings are all about NOW, ME, ME >NOW, and do it FAST. > >Hitlary was already out of fashion before this started. The ONLY place in >America she could have gotten elected was the ghetto of Harlem WHICH IS WHY >she moved there. And New Hampshire. She gave Obama a thumpin'. Swill Quote
Guest Governor Swill Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to babble >> Noticed Romney wagging his finger at those who would attempt character >> assasination or name calling even as he made false claims about their >> positions. > >Romney is doing a good job at this. Which is the main reason I don't like him. He's a cheat, he's slimy and something about him really bothers me. I wonder if this is how right wing loons feel about Hitlery? Swill Quote
Guest Governor Swill Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to babble >> It's a long way from Iowa and New Hampshire to the ballot box. Kids >> have short attention spans. > >Conventional wisdom says you're correct. However, conventional wisdom also >said NOBODY could get them out for a caucus or a primary and Buckwheat did >that... > >This just in: "officials are predicting will be RECORD TURNOUTS for the >first-in-the-nation presidential primary." I'll post the whole story >next... > >Looks like Buckwheat DID IT AGAIN! Since Iowa, Georgia's voter registration offices have been much busier than usual. Partly it's because our primary is earlier than last year but it's also due in part directly to Obama's win in Iowa. His supporters have apparently realized that he could be electable. His biggest problem is the state delegates already comitted. California for example has 13 superdelegates already slated to support Clinton. And unlike in the general, it's not winner take all. Each candidate gets a share of the state's delegates. Do I really think Obama is going to pull it off? No. Oh, you never can tell this early, but I still think Clinton will be viewed as more able to get things done (effect change) than the young Obama. He can try again when she's done. rambling on. . . You know, something we don't see discussed much is the effect of our Presidential choice on other nations' attitudes towards us. Let's assume that a Democrat in the White House manages to create enough good will around the planet to do us some good. Remember those Chinese connections the right is always bitching about with the Clintons? What if Hillary manages to talk the Chinese into buying dollars again? What if the very presence of a black man or a woman in the White House convinces other nations that America has shifted hard left and they start treating us better? I think Americans make a terrible mistake when they judge the value of a President solely on his/her ability to run the domestic economy and kill foreigners with our military. We need to be aware of and take into consideration the effect our Presidential choice has on the planet. Our economy could improve and our military become less needed simply by getting along better with the other kids in the room. Swill Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:p5s8o31gkh4v6ab2sglso4bi9hhsgkvldd@4ax.com... > "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to > babble >>The 30-somethings are active, involved, and rejecting her, her 90's, and >>ALL >>of that historical bullshit. The 30-somethings are all about NOW, ME, ME >>NOW, and do it FAST. >>Hitlary was already out of fashion before this started. The ONLY place in >>America she could have gotten elected was the ghetto of Harlem WHICH IS >>WHY >>she moved there. > And New Hampshire. She gave Obama a thumpin'. She won, just barely. That's all. Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:s6s8o39p57h7tcvehbvq1gblbj2fnqpbkv@4ax.com... > "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to > babble >>> Noticed Romney wagging his finger at those who would attempt character >>> assasination or name calling even as he made false claims about their >>> positions. >>Romney is doing a good job at this. > Which is the main reason I don't like him. He's a cheat, he's slimy > and something about him really bothers me. > I wonder if this is how right wing loons feel about Hitlery? Heck no! We know EXACTLY why we don't like Hitlary! Hahahahahah!!! Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hfs8o31ce8m5sl3peca64c28fkneq8dv5o@4ax.com... > "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to > babble >>> It's a long way from Iowa and New Hampshire to the ballot box. Kids >>> have short attention spans. >>Conventional wisdom says you're correct. However, conventional wisdom >>also >>said NOBODY could get them out for a caucus or a primary and Buckwheat did >>that... >>This just in: "officials are predicting will be RECORD TURNOUTS for the >>first-in-the-nation presidential primary." I'll post the whole story >>next... >>Looks like Buckwheat DID IT AGAIN! > Since Iowa, Georgia's voter registration offices have been much busier > than usual. Partly it's because our primary is earlier than last year > but it's also due in part directly to Obama's win in Iowa. His > supporters have apparently realized that he could be electable. > His biggest problem is the state delegates already comitted. > California for example has 13 superdelegates already slated to support > Clinton. And unlike in the general, it's not winner take all. Each > candidate gets a share of the state's delegates. They can work that out at the Convention. > Do I really think Obama is going to pull it off? No. Oh, you never > can tell this early, but I still think Clinton will be viewed as more > able to get things done (effect change) than the young Obama. He can > try again when she's done. > rambling on. . . > You know, something we don't see discussed much is the effect of our > Presidential choice on other nations' attitudes towards us. Let's > assume that a Democrat in the White House manages to create enough > good will around the planet to do us some good. Remember those > Chinese connections the right is always bitching about with the > Clintons? What if Hillary manages to talk the Chinese into buying > dollars again? Cheaper and quicker to let Rudy light their ass up! > What if the very presence of a black man or a woman in the White House > convinces other nations that America has shifted hard left and they > start treating us better? What does "treating us better" even mean? > I think Americans make a terrible mistake when they judge the value of > a President solely on his/her ability to run the domestic economy and > kill foreigners with our military. We need to be aware of and take > into consideration the effect our Presidential choice has on the > planet. No we don't. We, America, IS the planet. America is the ENGINE that drives this entire planet, we come first. > Our economy could improve and our military become less needed simply > by getting along better with the other kids in the room. We tried that. Remember? Bill Clinton? Then 9/11. We tried that, it didn't work. Quote
Guest Governor Swill Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to babble >> And New Hampshire. She gave Obama a thumpin'. > >She won, just barely. That's all. The surprise was the same in Iowa. The Pollsters seem to be missing big time this year. They had Obama with a double digit lead. Instead Clinton won with a 2% lead. They each ended up with the same number of delegates. Obama's big problem is the superdelegates already committed to Clinton. California alone has already given her 13. So far Clinton, Obama and Edwards have 183, 78 and 52 delegates respectively. Obama doesn't have to merely take more votes than she gets, he has to also make up for the delegates she was assured of going in. Swill Quote
Guest Governor Swill Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to babble >> I think Americans make a terrible mistake when they judge the value of >> a President solely on his/her ability to run the domestic economy and >> kill foreigners with our military. We need to be aware of and take >> into consideration the effect our Presidential choice has on the >> planet. > >No we don't. We, America, IS the planet. America is the ENGINE that drives >this entire planet, we come first. Not for long. >> Our economy could improve and our military become less needed simply >> by getting along better with the other kids in the room. > >We tried that. Remember? Bill Clinton? Then 9/11. > >We tried that, it didn't work. Worked great. Good economy, lots of good will, 9/11 was a specific incident related to a specific situation. Swill Quote
Guest robw Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 She won. "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message news:478503ea$0$31785$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:p5s8o31gkh4v6ab2sglso4bi9hhsgkvldd@4ax.com... > > "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to > > babble > >>The 30-somethings are active, involved, and rejecting her, her 90's, and > >>ALL > >>of that historical bullshit. The 30-somethings are all about NOW, ME, ME > >>NOW, and do it FAST. > >>Hitlary was already out of fashion before this started. The ONLY place in > >>America she could have gotten elected was the ghetto of Harlem WHICH IS > >>WHY > >>she moved there. > > And New Hampshire. She gave Obama a thumpin'. > > She won, just barely. That's all. > Quote
Guest robw Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 Sure, you afraid of strong willed women. In fact, little pussies like you fear any women. "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message news:47850420$0$31765$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:s6s8o39p57h7tcvehbvq1gblbj2fnqpbkv@4ax.com... > > "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> used a stick in the sand to > > babble > >>> Noticed Romney wagging his finger at those who would attempt character > >>> assasination or name calling even as he made false claims about their > >>> positions. > >>Romney is doing a good job at this. > > Which is the main reason I don't like him. He's a cheat, he's slimy > > and something about him really bothers me. > > I wonder if this is how right wing loons feel about Hitlery? > > Heck no! We know EXACTLY why we don't like Hitlary! > > Hahahahahah!!! > Quote
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