Guest Patriot Games Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 "B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message news:47838d73.13580609@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:27:06 -0500, "Patriot Games" > <Patriot@America.com> wrote: >>"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message >>news:478366c8.3681734@news.east.earthlink.net... >>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:00:36 -0500, "Patriot Games" >>> <Patriot@America.com> wrote: >>>>monsters, DEMOCRATS have finally succeeded in CREATING a sub-human >>>>version >>>>of what once was a normal black person. >>> Well, they certainly didn't do anything to PREVENT it ... >>> just implemented their half-assed welfare state, just >>> enough cash to encourage sloth and crime plus a big >>> injection of "You can't succeed without US" psychology, >>> and left it at that. >>> But then the Republicans didn't do anything to fix >>> the situation either ... and they've had plenty of >>> opportunities. >>Sure they did. The single most successful anti-poverty plan was >>implemented >>by Bush in his first term. Unfortunately it got totally overshadowed by >>9/11. It was a simple one-family-at-a-time program that showed (if I >>remember correctly) about 85% success rate. >>> Plenty of blame to go around. >>> So what's to DO about it ? >>1) Use abandoned Army bases as Boot Camps. (Or make up a friendlier name >>for them.) > "Knowledge Koncentration Kamps" ? (things with 'K's sound funny) > "Re-education Kamps" ? > "Kulture Krushing Kamps" ? How about "Last Chance Vacation Resort"??? >>2) Take entire families out of the ghetto. House, feed, clothe them. >>FORCE >>them to complete high school, learn an employable skill. > "Force" eh ? Yes. FORCE. They cannot go back to the ghetto, because it won't be there. They cannot stay at the "resort" forever. They MUST "graduate" from the "resort" or they will have to be committed to an institution under the 'diminished capacity' laws. They can voluntarily leave the "resort" of they choose but they will be on their own... > Sounds extreme, communist, politically impossible > short of a strong-arm dictatorship. We found the Moon didn't? Some guy named JFK said "Gatdammit go do it!" So we Gatdam did it. That's all we need. We need somebody to make it a National Project. NOT A PROGRAM. Programs NEVER end. By definition a Project has an End. >>3) Once employable, relocate them to normal white suburbs, with a job. > "White" ? Most welfare scum ARE "white". Better send 'em to > a heavily 'asian' part of town dontchathink ? :-) Who cares about NON-violent "welfare scum?" >>4) Actually, literally, DESTROY the ghetto. > Ghetto housing is a major cash cow for the owners. They'll > want significant compensation. Emminent domain. Maybe if more taxpaying citizens knew how much their cities were paying for rent for the deadbeat ghetto negroes we'd see a bigger protest. > Destroying cheap housing caused a small riot in New Orleans > last week. Want a BIG nationwide riot ? Good point. We'll need to stock up on ammo before we make our announcement. If they riot the net result is: 1) Less ghettos to bulldoze. 2) Fewer ghetto negros to send to the "resort." > Ghetto culture thinks it's as valid and viable as any other > kind of culture - they'll accuse you of cultural genocide > and the media will support them. Too bad... If ghetto culture was valid it would have proven that by supporting itself. Instead, most urban blacks who make it to the successful work world and middle class suburbs become as 'white' as everybody else. If they make it to the upper middle class they even magically become Republicans. Let's prove ghetto culture is viable by immediately ceasing ALL monies to the ghettos. > Politicians and police LOVE ghettos ... somewhere to keep > the po' folks, keep 'em down and keep them "in their place". This is why we still have the problem. >>This problem will NEVER end so long as physical ghettos exist. > Physical ghettos will exist so long as there's poverty. Bullshit. Lazy people are lazy because we give them a PLACE to be lazy. How many WHITE urban ghettos are there? ZERO. Isn't that a hint? > Do you propose to do away with poverty ? Yes. (Mostly.) > Haven't we heard that one before ? > I'll agree that the main problem with ghettos is > the MINDSET of the residents - the deeply ingrained > culture of failure, poverty, sloth, crime and violence. > The ghetto world we see wasn't manufactured like > Disneyland, it's a reflection of what's in the heads > of the residents. In short, it's a "meme" ... a self- > perpetuating idea, a thought-virus - one that happens > to generate certain physical realities in this case. > Well, this 'virus' - like all lifeforms - is fit in > the Darwininan sense only within a certain range of > environments. Change the environment and the virus > must rapidly adapt or fade into oblivion. It's a > tough one ... we've all seen po' folk strike it > rich, move uptown, yet still retain their 'ghetto > thinking' on almost every subject for years and > years. Cash and location are not enough ... it > literally takes "re-education". But we can't call them Re-Education Camps.... > Re-education tends to be odious on many levels ... lots > of presumptions about what's the "right" way to think, > the "better" way to think. It's one ideology or culture > running riot over another. We can avoid that. > But there's another way ... instead of IMPOSING re-education, > make it something the target group will WANT to do because > it seems fun and/or profitible and/or "stylish", "hip" or > whatever little vanities and desires motivate. > So how can we do that ? We tried that. Remember "Moving on up...to the East Side" Didn't work... The time for being nice has passed. 71% of all violent crime in America is black and urban. Quote
Guest B1ackwater Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:25:02 -0500, "Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote: >"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message >news:47838d73.13580609@news.east.earthlink.net... >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:27:06 -0500, "Patriot Games" >> <Patriot@America.com> wrote: >>>"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message >>>news:478366c8.3681734@news.east.earthlink.net... >>>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:00:36 -0500, "Patriot Games" >>>> <Patriot@America.com> wrote: >>>>>monsters, DEMOCRATS have finally succeeded in CREATING a sub-human >>>>>version >>>>>of what once was a normal black person. >>>> Well, they certainly didn't do anything to PREVENT it ... >>>> just implemented their half-assed welfare state, just >>>> enough cash to encourage sloth and crime plus a big >>>> injection of "You can't succeed without US" psychology, >>>> and left it at that. >>>> But then the Republicans didn't do anything to fix >>>> the situation either ... and they've had plenty of >>>> opportunities. >>>Sure they did. The single most successful anti-poverty plan was >>>implemented >>>by Bush in his first term. Unfortunately it got totally overshadowed by >>>9/11. It was a simple one-family-at-a-time program that showed (if I >>>remember correctly) about 85% success rate. >>>> Plenty of blame to go around. >>>> So what's to DO about it ? >>>1) Use abandoned Army bases as Boot Camps. (Or make up a friendlier name >>>for them.) >> "Knowledge Koncentration Kamps" ? (things with 'K's sound funny) >> "Re-education Kamps" ? >> "Kulture Krushing Kamps" ? > >How about "Last Chance Vacation Resort"??? Um ... what happens after the "last chance" ... ? >>>2) Take entire families out of the ghetto. House, feed, clothe them. >>>FORCE >>>them to complete high school, learn an employable skill. >> "Force" eh ? > >Yes. FORCE. They cannot go back to the ghetto, because it won't be there. >They cannot stay at the "resort" forever. They MUST "graduate" from the >"resort" or they will have to be committed to an institution under the >'diminished capacity' laws. Bedlam asylum 1000 times over ? Why don't you just call it "prison" ? And when it gets too expensive to keep all these people ... then what ? >They can voluntarily leave the "resort" of they choose but they will be on >their own... Robbing your house ... >> Sounds extreme, communist, politically impossible >> short of a strong-arm dictatorship. > >We found the Moon didn't? Some guy named JFK said "Gatdammit go do it!" So >we Gatdam did it. That's all we need. We need somebody to make it a >National Project. The moon race was 'laudable' in many dimensions ... strongarming po' nigra chillen however ... may be laudable in certain parts of Alabama and Mississippi but I don't think you're going to find widespread support. >NOT A PROGRAM. Programs NEVER end. By definition a Project has an End. It will end at a crematory oven I'd bet ... >>>3) Once employable, relocate them to normal white suburbs, with a job. >> "White" ? Most welfare scum ARE "white". Better send 'em to >> a heavily 'asian' part of town dontchathink ? :-) > >Who cares about NON-violent "welfare scum?" What ? "White" welfare scum aren't violent ? What fantasy world are you living in ? Oh yea ... USA 1860 World ..... >>>4) Actually, literally, DESTROY the ghetto. >> Ghetto housing is a major cash cow for the owners. They'll >> want significant compensation. > >Emminent domain. Maybe if more taxpaying citizens knew how much their >cities were paying for rent for the deadbeat ghetto negroes we'd see a >bigger protest. > >> Destroying cheap housing caused a small riot in New Orleans >> last week. Want a BIG nationwide riot ? > >Good point. We'll need to stock up on ammo before we make our announcement. Such a humanitarian ... >If they riot the net result is: > >1) Less ghettos to bulldoze. >2) Fewer ghetto negros to send to the "resort." > >> Ghetto culture thinks it's as valid and viable as any other >> kind of culture - they'll accuse you of cultural genocide >> and the media will support them. > >Too bad... If ghetto culture was valid it would have proven that by >supporting itself. Instead, most urban blacks who make it to the successful >work world and middle class suburbs become as 'white' as everybody else. If >they make it to the upper middle class they even magically become >Republicans. The moment you have something to lose, you become a Republican (or a Democrat-in-denial). >Let's prove ghetto culture is viable by immediately ceasing ALL monies to >the ghettos. Oh, it will be viable alright ... just like the Mongols were viable. It will feed off of the surrounding communities by force. >> Politicians and police LOVE ghettos ... somewhere to keep >> the po' folks, keep 'em down and keep them "in their place". > >This is why we still have the problem. Seems then that the politicians must be addressed first ... >>>This problem will NEVER end so long as physical ghettos exist. >> Physical ghettos will exist so long as there's poverty. > >Bullshit. Lazy people are lazy because we give them a PLACE to be lazy. Like those lazy injuns' ... lounging around on those reservations we so generously gave them ........ Nothing "generous" about a ghetto. >How many WHITE urban ghettos are there? ZERO. Isn't that a hint? a) Actually there ARE a lot of 'whites' in ghettos, mixed in with all the others or semi-isolated in a corner of the ghetto. b) Those endless trailer parks full of "po' white trash" ... they're ghettos too - just with tin buildings. >> Do you propose to do away with poverty ? > >Yes. (Mostly.) > >> Haven't we heard that one before ? >> I'll agree that the main problem with ghettos is >> the MINDSET of the residents - the deeply ingrained >> culture of failure, poverty, sloth, crime and violence. >> The ghetto world we see wasn't manufactured like >> Disneyland, it's a reflection of what's in the heads >> of the residents. In short, it's a "meme" ... a self- >> perpetuating idea, a thought-virus - one that happens >> to generate certain physical realities in this case. >> Well, this 'virus' - like all lifeforms - is fit in >> the Darwininan sense only within a certain range of >> environments. Change the environment and the virus >> must rapidly adapt or fade into oblivion. It's a >> tough one ... we've all seen po' folk strike it >> rich, move uptown, yet still retain their 'ghetto >> thinking' on almost every subject for years and >> years. Cash and location are not enough ... it >> literally takes "re-education". > >But we can't call them Re-Education Camps.... > >> Re-education tends to be odious on many levels ... lots >> of presumptions about what's the "right" way to think, >> the "better" way to think. It's one ideology or culture >> running riot over another. > >We can avoid that. > >> But there's another way ... instead of IMPOSING re-education, >> make it something the target group will WANT to do because >> it seems fun and/or profitible and/or "stylish", "hip" or >> whatever little vanities and desires motivate. >> So how can we do that ? > >We tried that. Remember "Moving on up...to the East Side" > >Didn't work... That was a TV show ... >The time for being nice has passed. 71% of all violent crime in America is >black and urban. I think you're fishing for excuses to commit genocide. Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 "B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message news:4784bfa4.6149031@news.east.earthlink.net... > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:25:02 -0500, "Patriot Games" > <Patriot@America.com> wrote: >>"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message >>news:47838d73.13580609@news.east.earthlink.net... >>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:27:06 -0500, "Patriot Games" >>> <Patriot@America.com> wrote: >>>>"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message >>>>news:478366c8.3681734@news.east.earthlink.net... >>>>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:00:36 -0500, "Patriot Games" >>>>> <Patriot@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>monsters, DEMOCRATS have finally succeeded in CREATING a sub-human >>>>>>version >>>>>>of what once was a normal black person. >>>>> Well, they certainly didn't do anything to PREVENT it ... >>>>> just implemented their half-assed welfare state, just >>>>> enough cash to encourage sloth and crime plus a big >>>>> injection of "You can't succeed without US" psychology, >>>>> and left it at that. >>>>> But then the Republicans didn't do anything to fix >>>>> the situation either ... and they've had plenty of >>>>> opportunities. >>>>Sure they did. The single most successful anti-poverty plan was >>>>implemented >>>>by Bush in his first term. Unfortunately it got totally overshadowed by >>>>9/11. It was a simple one-family-at-a-time program that showed (if I >>>>remember correctly) about 85% success rate. >>>>> Plenty of blame to go around. >>>>> So what's to DO about it ? >>>>1) Use abandoned Army bases as Boot Camps. (Or make up a friendlier >>>>name >>>>for them.) >>> "Knowledge Koncentration Kamps" ? (things with 'K's sound funny) >>> "Re-education Kamps" ? >>> "Kulture Krushing Kamps" ? >>How about "Last Chance Vacation Resort"??? > Um ... what happens after the "last chance" ... ? Prison. >>>>2) Take entire families out of the ghetto. House, feed, clothe them. >>>>FORCE >>>>them to complete high school, learn an employable skill. >>> "Force" eh ? >>Yes. FORCE. They cannot go back to the ghetto, because it won't be >>there. >>They cannot stay at the "resort" forever. They MUST "graduate" from the >>"resort" or they will have to be committed to an institution under the >>'diminished capacity' laws. > Bedlam asylum 1000 times over ? Why don't you just > call it "prison" ? And when it gets too expensive > to keep all these people ... then what? Then we cowboy-up and tough it out. Look at the big picture. This is a generational problem. (A 25-year problem.) You can take ANY 2-year old out of the ghetto today, dip it, clip it, school it, expose he/she to standard suburbia and I GUARANTEE THAT CHILD WILL NEVER be living in the ghetto, NEVER be raising ghetto children. It actually IS possible to permanently break this transgenerational cycle. However we MUST admit to ourselves that the CURRENT generation is permanently lost. A 35-year old ghetto mother of 6 will NEVER be 'fixed.' Its impossible. (Ok, maybe a few might be rehabilitate.) So we have to tough it out, get past this lost generation while creating the next not-lost generation. >>They can voluntarily leave the "resort" of they choose but they will be on >>their own... > Robbing your house ... Going to prison. >>> Sounds extreme, communist, politically impossible >>> short of a strong-arm dictatorship. >>We found the Moon didn't? Some guy named JFK said "Gatdammit go do it!" >>So >>we Gatdam did it. That's all we need. We need somebody to make it a >>National Project. > The moon race was 'laudable' in many dimensions ... strongarming > po' nigra chillen however ... may be laudable in certain parts > of Alabama and Mississippi but I don't think you're going to > find widespread support. Depends on WHO is championing the project. Trent Lott, for example, would not be my first choice.... >>NOT A PROGRAM. Programs NEVER end. By definition a Project has an End. > It will end at a crematory oven I'd bet ... Naaaaa.... >>>>3) Once employable, relocate them to normal white suburbs, with a job. >>> "White" ? Most welfare scum ARE "white". Better send 'em to >>> a heavily 'asian' part of town dontchathink ? :-) >>Who cares about NON-violent "welfare scum?" > What ? "White" welfare scum aren't violent ? What > fantasy world are you living in ? Oh yea ... USA > 1860 World ..... Less than 30% of violent crime is white. Sure, its a problem but its the smaller of the problems. >>>>4) Actually, literally, DESTROY the ghetto. >>> Ghetto housing is a major cash cow for the owners. They'll >>> want significant compensation. >>Emminent domain. Maybe if more taxpaying citizens knew how much their >>cities were paying for rent for the deadbeat ghetto negroes we'd see a >>bigger protest. >>> Destroying cheap housing caused a small riot in New Orleans >>> last week. Want a BIG nationwide riot ? >>Good point. We'll need to stock up on ammo before we make our >>announcement. > Such a humanitarian ... Every single thing that's been tried has failed. Obviously something we haven't tried has a better chance of success than anything we already know has already failed. >>If they riot the net result is: >>1) Less ghettos to bulldoze. >>2) Fewer ghetto negros to send to the "resort." >>> Ghetto culture thinks it's as valid and viable as any other >>> kind of culture - they'll accuse you of cultural genocide >>> and the media will support them. >>Too bad... If ghetto culture was valid it would have proven that by >>supporting itself. Instead, most urban blacks who make it to the >>successful >>work world and middle class suburbs become as 'white' as everybody else. >>If >>they make it to the upper middle class they even magically become >>Republicans. > The moment you have something to lose, you become > a Republican (or a Democrat-in-denial). >>Let's prove ghetto culture is viable by immediately ceasing ALL monies to >>the ghettos. > Oh, it will be viable alright ... just like the Mongols > were viable. It will feed off of the surrounding communities > by force. That's what its doing now. Slightly more than 50% of all black men have been or currently are in prison. In just another 10 to 15 years that number will be just about 80%. That's nearly half of all blacks banned from a good job, prohibited from owning firearms, prohibited from voting, etc. In other words totally disenfranchised with nothing to lose. If we let things go the way they're going we're essentially practicing slow-burn genocide. >>> Politicians and police LOVE ghettos ... somewhere to keep >>> the po' folks, keep 'em down and keep them "in their place". >>This is why we still have the problem. > Seems then that the politicians must be addressed first ... We tried that. Doesn't work. They re-elected Marion Barry in DC. He got busted again, went to prison a second time. They elected him AGAIN! The re-elected Ray Nagin. I'm sure there are 100 other examples. The ONE thing in our favor is that politicians will swarm over anything successful. >>>>This problem will NEVER end so long as physical ghettos exist. >>> Physical ghettos will exist so long as there's poverty. >>Bullshit. Lazy people are lazy because we give them a PLACE to be lazy. > Like those lazy injuns' ... lounging around on those > reservations we so generously gave them ........ > Nothing "generous" about a ghetto. I agree. Even though the reservations and ghettos are prisons without locked doors the residents DID NOT LEAVE. Maybe 5-10% left. The rest DID NOT LEAVE. Its been 100 years and NOTHING we've done has changed the fact that only about 5-10% ever make it out. Isn't it time to admit that we failed? >>How many WHITE urban ghettos are there? ZERO. Isn't that a hint? > a) Actually there ARE a lot of 'whites' in ghettos, mixed in > with all the others or semi-isolated in a corner of the > ghetto. Its a tiny percentage. > b) Those endless trailer parks full of "po' white trash" ... > they're ghettos too - just with tin buildings. They account for less than 30% of all violent crime. So they aren't a significant problem. Yet. >>> Do you propose to do away with poverty ? >>Yes. (Mostly.) >>> Haven't we heard that one before ? >>> I'll agree that the main problem with ghettos is >>> the MINDSET of the residents - the deeply ingrained >>> culture of failure, poverty, sloth, crime and violence. >>> The ghetto world we see wasn't manufactured like >>> Disneyland, it's a reflection of what's in the heads >>> of the residents. In short, it's a "meme" ... a self- >>> perpetuating idea, a thought-virus - one that happens >>> to generate certain physical realities in this case. >>> Well, this 'virus' - like all lifeforms - is fit in >>> the Darwininan sense only within a certain range of >>> environments. Change the environment and the virus >>> must rapidly adapt or fade into oblivion. It's a >>> tough one ... we've all seen po' folk strike it >>> rich, move uptown, yet still retain their 'ghetto >>> thinking' on almost every subject for years and >>> years. Cash and location are not enough ... it >>> literally takes "re-education". >>But we can't call them Re-Education Camps.... >>> Re-education tends to be odious on many levels ... lots >>> of presumptions about what's the "right" way to think, >>> the "better" way to think. It's one ideology or culture >>> running riot over another. >>We can avoid that. >>> But there's another way ... instead of IMPOSING re-education, >>> make it something the target group will WANT to do because >>> it seems fun and/or profitible and/or "stylish", "hip" or >>> whatever little vanities and desires motivate. >>> So how can we do that ? >>We tried that. Remember "Moving on up...to the East Side" >>Didn't work... > That was a TV show ... Its an example of how we've been failing to fix this problem for 100 years. We have a zillion social programs, we spend billions every year, we do everything we can think of to CAUSE them to WANT to 'move on up.' Guess what? They don't WANT to. So, obviously trying to CAUSE them to do anything needs to be replaced by FORCING them to. Sometimes you have to FORCE people to take that first next step. And when they do they realize it wasn't so bad. >>The time for being nice has passed. 71% of all violent crime in America >>is >>black and urban. > I think you're fishing for excuses to commit genocide. That's stupid. We're ALREADY committing genocide. I'm fishing for reasons to STOP committing the genocide. What we've been doing is an utter failure. We have to do something different. Condemning a 2-year old to a life of poverty, drugs, crime, prison and death is every bit as genocidal as if we tossed that kid in an oven. Quote
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