Guest Rev. Karl E. Taylor Posted January 20, 2008 Posted January 20, 2008 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Starkiller wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:16:20 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" > <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Roy Jose Lorr wrote: >>> Raymond wrote: >>> >>>> On Jan 19, 7:26?pm, "Mr4701" <NoExi...@Earth.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A Godless person is just as bad as an overzealous person. Atheist >>>>> Stalin had >>>>> no more of a beef killing people than Islamofascist Osama Bin Laden. >>>> >>>> And Catholic Hitler had no more of a beef killing people than Atheist >>>> Stalin or Christian Episcopalean.....George Bush >>> Hitler and stalin were and Bush is an atheist, self worshipers. How >>> people define themselves to the world is hardly ever the reality. >>> >> Hitler, Catholic. >> Stalin, Russian Orthodox. >> Bush family, US Christian. >> >> Now, you were saying? >>>> Most political and religious leaders throughout history have had no >>>> troulble killing millions of people----especially religious leaders. >>>> Religion has everything to do with terrorism Anyone who doesn't >>>> understand that has never been exposed to a decent history course or >>>> history book. >>> Anyone who takes history courses and books at face value needs a >>> tutorial in reality. >>> >>>> And we must not exclude the Jewish leaders---including the main Man >>>> himself . G-d that is. >>> Hmm... the obligatory anti God hysteria. >>> >> Hmmm, the obligatory projection, a RoyBoy special >>>> SEE Atrocities in the Bible. Shalom aleichem >>>> http://thetruth.hypermart.net/bible/atrocities.htm >>> Absolute exploitative insanity. >>> >> Projection. >>>> Also see: >>>> http://www.geocities.com/shatila1982/masspictures.html >>> Arab propaganda. >>> >> Ignornace. >>>> Catholics today all try to repudiate Adolf Hitler and deny that he was >>>> a fellow Roman Catholic. But this was definitely not the case so long >>>> as he was in power, In fact, Hitler could not have come to power >>>> without the assistance of the Vatican and the German Catholic Church> >>>> So long as Adolf Hitler was in power, his Roman Catholic Church never >>>> questioned his Catholicism - at least not in public - which is where >>>> it mattered politically.--- just as no one questions GW Bush's >>>> Christianity >>>> --- at least not in public - which is where it matters politically. >>> Hitler could not have come to power without the support of the people, >>> no matter their religious or anti religious affiliations. >>> >> Same with Bush. What's your point? >> >> Other then the fact that you like to overlook the obvious. The people >> are swayed by their CHURCH! >> >> How do you think the empty hat got to 1600 twice? >>>> A man who is convinced of the truth of his religion is indeed never >>>> tolerant. At the least, he is to feel pity for the adherent of another >>>> religion but usually it does not stop there. The faithful adherent of >>>> a religion will try first of all to convince those that believe in >>>> another religion and usually he goes on to hatred if he is not >>>> successful. However, hatred then leads to persecution when the might >>>> of the majority is behind it. In the case of a Christian clergyman, >>>> the tragic-comical is found in this: that the Christian religion >>>> demands love from the faithful, even love for the enemy. This demand, >>>> because it is indeed superhuman, he is unable to fulfill. Thus >>>> intolerance and hatred ring through the oily words of the clergyman. >>>> The love, which on the Christian side is the basis for the >>>> conciliatory attempt towards Judaism is the same as the love of a >>>> child for a cake. That means that it contains the hope that the object >>>> of the love will be eaten up... >>> You have just described the mental and physical behaviors of believers >>> in the atheist religion. >>> >> For the last time dickless. >> >> Atheists don't have a religion. An atheist is someone that is not a >> practitioner of any form of theism. Theism by and large are what twats >> call religion. > > From your response it seems that you are every bit as adamant about it > as any evangelical is regarding their religion. Argue semantics all > day if you like but your behavior is very similar when confronted by > someone that doesn't subscribe to your belief, or non belief as the > case may be. > Same reason a lot of folks refer to the "Religion of Global Warming". > Not that it is a real religion but the behavior of the "believers" > resemble that of someone devoutly religious. > One of the definitions given of religion as a noun is : a cause, > principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith - > Webster's. > It doesn't necessarily equate solely to a belief in a God or deity. > And did you ever consider for one moment that I am sick, tired, frustrated and fed up with having the mindless drivel that is religion shoved into my face damn near 20 hours a day, 7 days a week? If not, too bad. You missed out on one of the prime reasons that atheists are angry. If it ain't the Catholics its the JW's. Not the JW's, it's the Mormons. No Mormons to be had, well shit, Muslims fill the bill nicely. Can't find your local lunatic Muslim, a couple of nasty Hindu's will do nicely. And when all that fails, there are always two or three THOUSAND Protestants of differing names that will gladly annoy you for hours on end about why every one is wrong but them. TV, newspapers, radio, bus ads, tracts on park benches, bibles in hotel rooms, mindless little zombies at the capital building. Yeah, by your way of thinking, I have absolutely no right to be pissed off. Fortunately, the world does not revolve around your way of thinking. You don't like what I have to say, fine. I'm not holding a gun to your head and demanding you read it. I have every right in the world to be angry at the inbreed little morons that want to force me, by law or by force, to be just like them. When pushed, I push back. If you have no problem with these dropout's from the critical thinking class, fine. That's your problem, not mine. - -- There are none more ignorant and useless, than they that seek answers on their knees, with their eyes closed. ____________________________________________________________________ Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/ Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director ____________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHk99Pf+wl0F6+jvgRAg3/AJ9vVsKHq/JqVJWIJxDvww2ko/LqiQCgl7cf DB8ad/QPytoUCJeCJEYvbx4= =JMal -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Quote
Guest Rev. Karl E. Taylor Posted January 20, 2008 Posted January 20, 2008 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Roy Jose Lorr wrote: > Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Roy Jose Lorr wrote: >> >>> Michael Gray wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:21:45 -0800 (PST), Limbaugh unhinges his jaw to >>>> eat his own waste <goofindoo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 19, 4:26 pm, "Mr4701" <NoExi...@Earth.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> A Godless person is just as bad as an overzealous person. Atheist >>>>>> Stalin had >>>>>> no more of a beef killing people than Islamofascist Osama Bin Laden. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sorry but you're going to either have to prove this statement >>>>> logically or present evidence, statistical evidence. >>>>> >>>>> By the way, I have tons of evidences that christians are bad. >>>> >>>> >>>> But because of their belief. >>>> No one is bad because of a lack of a belief, which is exactly what >>>> atheism is. >>> >>> There is no such thing as 'lack of belief'. >>> >> >> Care to try and prove that one? >> >> Probably not. You never do. > > My mistake, I thought this was a philosophy group. > > Dufuss, there are only two choices: belief and disbelief... there is no > such thing as 'lack' of belief after the fact. > You want it to be in the philosophy group, fine. But I don't read philosophy groups. My news server does not carry philosophy groups. And I don't answer to you for your failures to understand how the Internet works. You don't want my response, okay. Don't post to alt.atheism. Is that simple enough for ya, or do you need someone to hold your hand while you trim group names? - -- There are none more ignorant and useless, than they that seek answers on their knees, with their eyes closed. ____________________________________________________________________ Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/ Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director ____________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHk9/rf+wl0F6+jvgRAgySAJ45ZXB1pABO61nLMs/+QpIMv22BeACdEvYW xfPIPhdHT6apd4LIuroTV0Q= =2v8L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Quote
Guest Rev. Karl E. Taylor Posted January 20, 2008 Posted January 20, 2008 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Roy Jose Lorr wrote: > Richard Anacker wrote: > >> Roy Jose Lorr , 01.20.2008: >> >> >>>>> There is no such thing as 'lack of belief'. >>>> >>>> >>>> In your indoctrinated mind. >>> >>> So you pray. >>> >>> There are only two choices: belief and disbelief. Lack of belief is >>> an impossibility. >> >> >> As I said >> In your indoctrinated mind. > > Describe something you 'lack' belief in. > Your intelligence. - -- There are none more ignorant and useless, than they that seek answers on their knees, with their eyes closed. ____________________________________________________________________ Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/ Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director ____________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHk+AWf+wl0F6+jvgRAr18AJsFvXgXgNJ2bDwBH37RqiFoL/wAIACfU5HA 5EMXmfsMSCwJ651CFaQZyL8= =77RB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Quote
Guest Virgil Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 In article <i6CdnQwApZeWxA7anZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com>, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > The atheist worships self Even if this were true, it would beat out worshiping something not even known to exist. But those, like Lorr, who do worship their myths err in presuming that everyone has to be like them. Quote
Guest Virgil Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 In article <i6CdnQ8ApZelxA7anZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@comcast.com>, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > Robibnikoff wrote: > > > "Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote in message > > news:fzwkj.1268$hk4.498@trnddc03... > > > >>A Godless person is just as bad as an overzealous person. Atheist Stalin > >>had no more of a beef killing people than Islamofascist Osama Bin Laden. > > > > > > Idiot. > > Moron. Morons are much brighter than idiots. So Lorr is admitting his inadequacy here. Quote
Guest Virgil Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 In article <9bydnYFKZql5_Q7anZ2dnUVZ_ubinZ2d@comcast.com>, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > Michael Gray wrote: > > > But because of their belief. > > No one is bad because of a lack of a belief, which is exactly what > > atheism is. > > There is no such thing as 'lack of belief'. There are more lacks of belief in this world that there are beliefs or we would all be polytheistic as all get out. It is only true believers who truly believe everyone else must really be like them. Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:55:02 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Starkiller wrote: >> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:16:20 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" >> <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Roy Jose Lorr wrote: >>>> Raymond wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Jan 19, 7:26?pm, "Mr4701" <NoExi...@Earth.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A Godless person is just as bad as an overzealous person. Atheist >>>>>> Stalin had >>>>>> no more of a beef killing people than Islamofascist Osama Bin Laden. >>>>> >>>>> And Catholic Hitler had no more of a beef killing people than Atheist >>>>> Stalin or Christian Episcopalean.....George Bush >>>> Hitler and stalin were and Bush is an atheist, self worshipers. How >>>> people define themselves to the world is hardly ever the reality. >>>> >>> Hitler, Catholic. >>> Stalin, Russian Orthodox. >>> Bush family, US Christian. >>> >>> Now, you were saying? >>>>> Most political and religious leaders throughout history have had no >>>>> troulble killing millions of people----especially religious leaders. >>>>> Religion has everything to do with terrorism Anyone who doesn't >>>>> understand that has never been exposed to a decent history course or >>>>> history book. >>>> Anyone who takes history courses and books at face value needs a >>>> tutorial in reality. >>>> >>>>> And we must not exclude the Jewish leaders---including the main Man >>>>> himself . G-d that is. >>>> Hmm... the obligatory anti God hysteria. >>>> >>> Hmmm, the obligatory projection, a RoyBoy special >>>>> SEE Atrocities in the Bible. Shalom aleichem >>>>> http://thetruth.hypermart.net/bible/atrocities.htm >>>> Absolute exploitative insanity. >>>> >>> Projection. >>>>> Also see: >>>>> http://www.geocities.com/shatila1982/masspictures.html >>>> Arab propaganda. >>>> >>> Ignornace. >>>>> Catholics today all try to repudiate Adolf Hitler and deny that he was >>>>> a fellow Roman Catholic. But this was definitely not the case so long >>>>> as he was in power, In fact, Hitler could not have come to power >>>>> without the assistance of the Vatican and the German Catholic Church> >>>>> So long as Adolf Hitler was in power, his Roman Catholic Church never >>>>> questioned his Catholicism - at least not in public - which is where >>>>> it mattered politically.--- just as no one questions GW Bush's >>>>> Christianity >>>>> --- at least not in public - which is where it matters politically. >>>> Hitler could not have come to power without the support of the people, >>>> no matter their religious or anti religious affiliations. >>>> >>> Same with Bush. What's your point? >>> >>> Other then the fact that you like to overlook the obvious. The people >>> are swayed by their CHURCH! >>> >>> How do you think the empty hat got to 1600 twice? >>>>> A man who is convinced of the truth of his religion is indeed never >>>>> tolerant. At the least, he is to feel pity for the adherent of another >>>>> religion but usually it does not stop there. The faithful adherent of >>>>> a religion will try first of all to convince those that believe in >>>>> another religion and usually he goes on to hatred if he is not >>>>> successful. However, hatred then leads to persecution when the might >>>>> of the majority is behind it. In the case of a Christian clergyman, >>>>> the tragic-comical is found in this: that the Christian religion >>>>> demands love from the faithful, even love for the enemy. This demand, >>>>> because it is indeed superhuman, he is unable to fulfill. Thus >>>>> intolerance and hatred ring through the oily words of the clergyman. >>>>> The love, which on the Christian side is the basis for the >>>>> conciliatory attempt towards Judaism is the same as the love of a >>>>> child for a cake. That means that it contains the hope that the object >>>>> of the love will be eaten up... >>>> You have just described the mental and physical behaviors of believers >>>> in the atheist religion. >>>> >>> For the last time dickless. >>> >>> Atheists don't have a religion. An atheist is someone that is not a >>> practitioner of any form of theism. Theism by and large are what twats >>> call religion. >> >> From your response it seems that you are every bit as adamant about it >> as any evangelical is regarding their religion. Argue semantics all >> day if you like but your behavior is very similar when confronted by >> someone that doesn't subscribe to your belief, or non belief as the >> case may be. >> Same reason a lot of folks refer to the "Religion of Global Warming". >> Not that it is a real religion but the behavior of the "believers" >> resemble that of someone devoutly religious. >> One of the definitions given of religion as a noun is : a cause, >> principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith - >> Webster's. >> It doesn't necessarily equate solely to a belief in a God or deity. >> >And did you ever consider for one moment that I am sick, tired, >frustrated and fed up with having the mindless drivel that is religion >shoved into my face damn near 20 hours a day, 7 days a week? On his planet that makes this reaction a religion. But then he is a dishonest theist who redefined words so broadly they become meaningless. Making it impossible to hold the discussion they start. It's like using the Monty Python English/Hungarian phrase book. Their insistence on using their jargon meanings of every day words means we're both talking past each other. And they blame us for not using their inside-the-religion redefinitions in the real world. >If not, too bad. You missed out on one of the prime reasons that >atheists are angry. If it ain't the Catholics its the JW's. Not the >JW's, it's the Mormons. No Mormons to be had, well shit, Muslims fill >the bill nicely. Can't find your local lunatic Muslim, a couple of >nasty Hindu's will do nicely. And when all that fails, there are always >two or three THOUSAND Protestants of differing names that will gladly >annoy you for hours on end about why every one is wrong but them. They're in denial about it. >TV, newspapers, radio, bus ads, tracts on park benches, bibles in hotel >rooms, mindless little zombies at the capital building. > >Yeah, by your way of thinking, I have absolutely no right to be pissed off. In their minds we haven't. But they haven't the common sense or courtesy to understand that everybody else has just as much freedom of speech and of religious conscience as they do. Which includes our telling them where to shove it when they wipe it in our faces, to call them liars when they lie about us, and to treat them like idiots when they are. >Fortunately, the world does not revolve around your way of thinking. >You don't like what I have to say, fine. I'm not holding a gun to your >head and demanding you read it. In their minds it does. They stupidly imagine their god is real for everybody outside their religion, and rationalise positions we don't have as though it were. And nastily insist that these are accurate when we correct them. >I have every right in the world to be angry at the inbreed little morons >that want to force me, by law or by force, to be just like them. When >pushed, I push back. For some reason they ignore their own actions and pretend that the reaction is unprovoked. >If you have no problem with these dropout's from the critical thinking >class, fine. That's your problem, not mine. Quote
Guest Virgil Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 In article <_9SdnQ9qMZ-jTQ7anZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > > > And the theist also worships self. They just cowardly do it though a > > middleman of their own invention. > > So you pray. Nonsense! It is only those who cannot exist without belief in a god who need pray. Quote
Guest Virgil Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 In article <_9SdnQ5qMZ9iTQ7anZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > DanielSan wrote: > > > Roy Jose Lorr said the following on 1/20/2008 6:16 AM: > > > >> DanielSan wrote: > >>> Atheists/non-believers make up between 4-10% of the US population but > >>> make up less than 1% of the prison population. I wonder why... > >> > >> > >> BS statistic. > > > > > > http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html > > 1997 Federal Bureau of Prisons from Denise Golumbaski, as formatted in > > Rice/Swift > > > > Atheist: 0.209% > > > > http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html > > Religious Affiliation Year 2000 (Harris poll) > > Agnostic or Atheist: 7.1% > > Nonreligious: 10.0% > > > > Where are YOUR statistics? > > Not from the gov't but from the actual behavior of the incarcerated. In other words Lorr has no hard data to cite , but is only making things up, as usual. Quote
Guest Virgil Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 In article <_9SdnQlqMZ8DTA7anZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > There are only two choices: belief and disbelief. Lack of belief is an > impossibility. Then every agnostic is performing his own miracle by doing the impossible. Quote
Guest Virgil Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 In article <wcednZ2w987MTw7anZ2dnUVZ_tWtnZ2d@comcast.com>, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > Dufuss, there are only two choices: belief and disbelief... there is no > such thing as 'lack' of belief after the fact. But there is no fact to be after, either, so no belief either way is needed. Quote
Guest Virgil Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 In article <vfedna-9NuxgTg7anZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@comcast.com>, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > Karl Johanson wrote: > > > "Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote > > > > > >>Show us where anything that Hitler did was referenced in the Bible as > >>a teaching of Christ? > > > > > > The Bible says that every leader of every nation is there, because of > > god's will. It further says that people should follow them. If you > > believe the Christian Bible, you believe Hitler executed god's will. If > > you believe the Christian Bible, you believe that the Germans were under > > god's orders to do what their leader told them to do, as it was god's > > will. > > Free will for humans, not determinism, is God's will. > > > > > Fortunately, god is fictitious. I wish Hitler and most of his followers > > had known that. > > They believed precisely that. Did Lorr's god read Hitler's mind and then pass the word on to Lorr? Somehow, I doubt it. Quote
Guest Karl Johanson Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 "Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote > Liz wrote: > >> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:32:30 -0600, Starkiller >> <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> [---] >> >>>Read the new freaking testament for crying out loud if you want to >>>know. Just a few aspects are that you don't go around trying to >>>dominate and force anyone into your faith for starters. You don;t >>>commit genocide. >> >> >> >> Could you give me a reference for the "don't commit genocide" >> verse(s)? Many people reference the genocide committed by God and >> the >> Hebrews in the OT, and it would be nice it see that such action was >> countermanded in the NT. > > Show where "genocide" is ordered in the Five Books of Moses (Genesis - > Deuteronom). I suggest you learn the meaning of the term "genocide". -Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: -Deuteronomy 20: 17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: -Deuteronomy 12:2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: 3 And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. -Deuteronomy 13:15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. http://www.yourdictionary.com/genocide geno Quote
Guest Karl Johanson Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 "Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote > God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof > enough. Batman needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof enough. Karl Johanson Quote
Guest Virgil Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 In article <vfednam9Nuw_SQ7anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com>, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > DanielSan wrote: > > > Roy Jose Lorr said the following on 1/20/2008 2:53 PM: > > > >> DanielSan wrote: > >> > >>> Roy Jose Lorr said the following on 1/20/2008 6:16 AM: > >>> > >>>> DanielSan wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Mr4701 said the following on 1/19/2008 4:42 PM: > >>>>> > >>>>>> "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:HN2dnShCbJMXBQ_anZ2dnUVZ_qTinZ2d@comcast.com... > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mr4701 said the following on 1/19/2008 4:26 PM: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> A Godless person is just as bad as an overzealous person. > >>>>>>>> Atheist Stalin had no more of a beef killing people than > >>>>>>>> Islamofascist Osama Bin Laden. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And both are men. Therefore, men are just as bad as Osama bin > >>>>>>> Laden. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ...right? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The point was it does not matter if they are God believes or > >>>>>> Godless... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Your post belies that conclusion. You were intimating that > >>>>> atheists were bad people, like Stalin. > >>>>> > >>>>> I submit to you that it's a worldview of these folks, not their > >>>>> religion, gender, or whatever. If they're religious, they use > >>>>> their religion as a weapon and shield. If they're not, they'll > >>>>> find another excuse to do their evil. > >>>>> > >>>>> In fact, I submit to you that atheists are more moral than the > >>>>> religious because they know of the real-world consequences of their > >>>>> actions. I mean, if you look at the prison population, Christians > >>>>> are vastly overrepresented in terms of percentages of the > >>>>> population than the non-incarcerated population. > >>>>> > >>>>> Atheists/non-believers make up between 4-10% of the US population > >>>>> but make up less than 1% of the prison population. I wonder why... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> BS statistic. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html > >>> 1997 Federal Bureau of Prisons from Denise Golumbaski, as formatted > >>> in Rice/Swift > >>> > >>> Atheist: 0.209% > >>> > >>> http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html > >>> Religious Affiliation Year 2000 (Harris poll) > >>> Agnostic or Atheist: 7.1% > >>> Nonreligious: 10.0% > >>> > >>> Where are YOUR statistics? > >> > >> > >> Not from the gov't but from the actual behavior of the incarcerated. > > > > > > How do you figure? > > It wasn't worship of God that got them there. So now Lorr is the sole interpreter of God's will? It may not have been Lorr's idea of God, but there are as many ideas of God, and ways of worship, as believers in God. Quote
Guest Virgil Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 In article <vfednai9NuwVSA7anZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com>, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > Richard Anacker wrote: > > > Roy Jose Lorr , 01.20.2008: > > > > > >>>>There is no such thing as 'lack of belief'. > >>> > >>> > >>>In your indoctrinated mind. > >> > >>So you pray. > >> > >>There are only two choices: belief and disbelief. Lack of belief is an > >>impossibility. Only to True Believers, a la Eric Hoffer, and not everyone is one. > > > > > > As I said > > In your indoctrinated mind. > > Describe something you 'lack' belief in. Lorr's notion of a God, is a fair example. Quote
Guest Kenneth Doyle Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote in news:Virgil-8B9A58.17262320012008@comcast.dca.giganews.com: > In article <vfedna-9NuxgTg7anZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@comcast.com>, > Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Karl Johanson wrote: >> >> > "Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote >> > >> > >> >>Show us where anything that Hitler did was referenced in the Bible >> >>as a teaching of Christ? >> > >> > >> > The Bible says that every leader of every nation is there, because >> > of god's will. It further says that people should follow them. If >> > you believe the Christian Bible, you believe Hitler executed god's >> > will. If you believe the Christian Bible, you believe that the >> > Germans were under god's orders to do what their leader told them >> > to do, as it was god's will. >> >> Free will for humans, not determinism, is God's will. >> >> > >> > Fortunately, god is fictitious. I wish Hitler and most of his >> > followers had known that. >> >> They believed precisely that. > > Did Lorr's god read Hitler's mind and then pass the word on to Lorr? > > Somehow, I doubt it. > Nah, Lorr read Hitler's mind from beyond the grave. Quote
Guest DanielSan Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 Roy Jose Lorr said the following on 1/20/2008 2:56 PM: > There are only two choices: belief and disbelief. Lack of belief is an > impossibility. What's the difference between "disbelief" and "lack of belief"? -- DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 -------------------------------------------------- "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state." --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:36:53 -0800, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: >God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof enough. What a fucking moron. Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 Karl Johanson wrote: > "Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote > >>Karl Johanson wrote: >> >> >>>"Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote >>> >>> >>> >>>>Show us where anything that Hitler did was referenced in the Bible as >>>>a teaching of Christ? >>> >>> >>>The Bible says that every leader of every nation is there, because of >>>god's will. It further says that people should follow them. If you >>>believe the Christian Bible, you believe Hitler executed god's will. >>>If you believe the Christian Bible, you believe that the Germans were >>>under god's orders to do what their leader told them to do, as it was >>>god's will. >> >>Free will for humans, not determinism, is God's will. > > > I didn't say it was determinism. I said the Bible orders Christians to > follow every national leader. Lots of Christians did that, when Hitler > was in power. I'm not xian. Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 Liz wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:13:18 -0800, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> > wrote: > > >>Richard Anacker wrote: >> >> >>>Roy Jose Lorr , 01.20.2008: >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>There is no such thing as 'lack of belief'. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>In your indoctrinated mind. >>>> >>>>So you pray. >>>> >>>>There are only two choices: belief and disbelief. Lack of belief is an >>>>impossibility. >>> >>> >>>As I said >>>In your indoctrinated mind. >> >>Describe something you 'lack' belief in. > > > > I don't believe in you. Answer the question. Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 Richard Anacker wrote: > Roy Jose Lorr , 01.21.2008: > > >>Describe something you 'lack' belief in. > > > gods. You can believe or disbelieve in gods but you can't claim "lack" of belief in them after acknowledging the concept. > > That was easy. Sorry... try again > > And before you try it - no, I have no immage of something like that, I > am even not interested in it. You have an image of gods, if not you would be unaware of the concept and would have nothing whatsoever to say about them. <snip nonsense> Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Roy Jose Lorr wrote: > >>Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote: >> >> >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >>> >>>Roy Jose Lorr wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Michael Gray wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:21:45 -0800 (PST), Limbaugh unhinges his jaw to >>>>>eat his own waste <goofindoo@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On Jan 19, 4:26 pm, "Mr4701" <NoExi...@Earth.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>A Godless person is just as bad as an overzealous person. Atheist >>>>>>>Stalin had >>>>>>>no more of a beef killing people than Islamofascist Osama Bin Laden. >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm sorry but you're going to either have to prove this statement >>>>>>logically or present evidence, statistical evidence. >>>>>> >>>>>>By the way, I have tons of evidences that christians are bad. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>But because of their belief. >>>>>No one is bad because of a lack of a belief, which is exactly what >>>>>atheism is. >>>> >>>>There is no such thing as 'lack of belief'. >>>> >>> >>>Care to try and prove that one? >>> >>>Probably not. You never do. >> >>My mistake, I thought this was a philosophy group. >> >>Dufuss, there are only two choices: belief and disbelief... there is no >>such thing as 'lack' of belief after the fact. >> > > You want it to be in the philosophy group, fine. > > But I don't read philosophy groups. My news server does not carry > philosophy groups. And I don't answer to you for your failures to > understand how the Internet works. > > You don't want my response, okay. Don't post to alt.atheism. > > Is that simple enough for ya, or do you need someone to hold your hand > while you trim group names? Keep whining and puling, it suits you. Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Roy Jose Lorr wrote: > >>Richard Anacker wrote: >> >> >>>Roy Jose Lorr , 01.20.2008: >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>There is no such thing as 'lack of belief'. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>In your indoctrinated mind. >>>> >>>>So you pray. >>>> >>>>There are only two choices: belief and disbelief. Lack of belief is >>>>an impossibility. >>> >>> >>>As I said >>>In your indoctrinated mind. >> >>Describe something you 'lack' belief in. >> > > Your intelligence. Dufuss, you just admitted knowledge of something you disbelieve. That means you do not have a "lack" of knowledge of my intelligence. Of course your disbelief in the matter is a crock but for the sake of this argument that's neither here nor there. Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 Karl Johanson wrote: > > http://www.yourdictionary.com/genocide > geno Quote
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