Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 Richard Anacker wrote: > Roy Jose Lorr , 01.22.2008: > > >>>Ind this moral guide is what tells you to try to indoctrinate and >>>insist other people that do not agree with your personal faith? >> >>It tells me the opposite. > > > So you are imoral? You can explain this nonsense? Quote
Guest Richard Anacker Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 Roy Jose Lorr , 01.22.2008: >>>>Ind this moral guide is what tells you to try to indoctrinate and >>>>insist other people that do not agree with your personal faith? >>> >>>It tells me the opposite. >> >> >> So you are imoral? > > You can explain this nonsense? If your codex tells you the oposite of the things you do, then you must be imoral. greets richie X'Posted to: alt.atheism,alt.politics,alt.philosophy -- Lieblingsvideos auf youtube: 22) Genesis - Carped Crawlers 76 live: Quote
Guest les_on_usenet Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:41:59 -0800, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: >les_on_usenet wrote: > >> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:02:06 -0800, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >> >>>les_on_usenet wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:09:45 -0800, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>The formula is simplicity itself: what challenges human base desire is >>>>>morally right - what panders to human base desire is morally wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>>Ridiculous >>> >>>So you pray. >> >> >> A fools game. > >If you think so, why do you play it? Ridiculous >>>>>God gave an Absolute Morality. Whether or not we abide by it is >>>>>dependant on another of God's gifts to us: free will. >>>> >>>> >>>Asserted Nonesense >>> >>>So you pray. >> >> >> desperation noted. > >Projection noted. Go to above -- Les Hellawell Greetings from YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County Quote
Guest Sid9 Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 Roy Jose Lorr wrote: > Limbaugh unhinges his jaw to eat his own waste wrote: > >> On Jan 21, 9:48 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >>> I don't have that problem. My moral guide is Absolute, not subject >>> to relativistic manipulation. >> >> >>> Your existence is proof that God exists. Since He therefore exists >>> then His word is truth. God's word exists in the book He tells us >>> He authored: the Five Books of Moses (Genesis - Deuteronomy). >> >> >> >> First you must prove that a god exist and that this god is the >> absolute authority. > > God needs no proof. Still, the proof is your existence. The proof of god's existence is not the proof of a person's existence. All you've done is made a statement. You've provided no evidence. Please provide proof of your god's existence and proof that your god is unique and and all other god's are false. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:48:49 -0800, in alt.atheism Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in <KbWdnQ30CtwnHgjanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast.com>: >Free Lunch wrote: > >> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:09:45 -0800, in alt.atheism >> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in >> <6IadndlG-_D_zQjanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@comcast.com>: >> >>>Free Lunch wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:05:24 -0800, in alt.atheism >>>>Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in >>>><JqudnXpjMpYjXwnanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Free Lunch wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:33:10 -0800, in alt.atheism >>>>>>Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>>><aI6dnRB_GIytJgnanZ2dnUVZ_rWtnZ2d@comcast.com>: >> >> ... >> >> >>>>>>>Without a 'higher authority' morals are relative, based on personal >>>>>>>desires regarding individual situations, making them not morals but >>>>>>>expediencies. >>>>>> >>>>>>Morals are always relative. >>>>> >>>>>Hardly. >>>> >>>>Show me how the alternative can exist. >>> >>>The formula is simplicity itself: what challenges human base desire is >>>morally right - what panders to human base desire is morally wrong. >> >> >> How is that absolute? The relativism comes in your decision about which >> bucket to put actions into. There is no absolute authority on what fits >> where. > >I don't have that problem. My moral guide is Absolute, not subject to >relativistic manipulation. So you assert, but then you go off on another relativistic exploitation of your religion. Does your god demand that you lie on his behalf? Is he weak, unable to stand against evidence? If not, why do you lie? How does that fit into your supposedly absolute moral code? >>>>>Those who claim to have a higher authority >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>just attribute the moral code they want to that authority. >>>>> >>>>>Those wo do that are no different than those who believe self is the >>>>>higher authority. >>>> >>>>So, you do agree that those who claim that "God" is responsible are >>>>making it up and attributing their own personal moral code to God. >>> >>>God gave an Absolute Morality. Whether or not we abide by it is >>>dependant on another of God's gifts to us: free will. >> >> >> Since there is no evidence that God exists, you cannot make any reliable >> assertions about what that God is supposed to have done. First you have >> to show that God exists, then you have to show that God is actually >> responsible for what you claim. So far, you have done neither. > >Your existence is proof that God exists. Since He therefore exists then >His word is truth. God's word exists in the book He tells us He >authored: the Five Books of Moses (Genesis - Deuteronomy). > >> >> ... >> >> >>>>>>How about the laws about slavery and treating women as little more than >>>>>>chattel? >>>>> >>>>>Cite these phantom "laws", for discussion. >>>> >>>>I thought you knew the Bible. Apparently I was mistaken. >>> >>>Dodge. Answer the question. >> >> >> Here is one example: >> >> Exodus 21 >> >> 1 "These are the laws you are to set before them: >> >> 2 "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But >> in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he >> comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, >> she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears >> him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her >> master, and only the man shall go free. >> >> 5 "But if the servant declares, 'I love my master and my wife and >> children and do not want to go free,' 6 then his master must take him >> before the judges. [a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and >> pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life. >> >> 7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as >> menservants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her >> for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell >> her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects >> her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he >> marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, >> clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these >> three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money. > >There is not a shred of immorality in the above. What transpires is the >giving of law that mitigates the brutal aspects of slavery that is >inherent to the human condition. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:48:49 -0800, in alt.atheism Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in <KbWdnQ30CtwnHgjanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast.com>: >Free Lunch wrote: .... >> Here is one example: >> >> Exodus 21 >> >> 1 "These are the laws you are to set before them: >> >> 2 "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But >> in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he >> comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, >> she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears >> him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her >> master, and only the man shall go free. >> >> 5 "But if the servant declares, 'I love my master and my wife and >> children and do not want to go free,' 6 then his master must take him >> before the judges. [a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and >> pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life. >> >> 7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as >> menservants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her >> for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell >> her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects >> her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he >> marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, >> clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these >> three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money. > >There is not a shred of immorality in the above. What transpires is the >giving of law that mitigates the brutal aspects of slavery that is >inherent to the human condition. So, you claim that slavery is moral in your 'absolute morality' system. Your morality stinks. It is vile, pathetic, excuses any evil. You are more corrupt than a dead deer on the side of the road on a 100 F day. You are only good for maggots and flies to feast on. Quote
Guest Free Lunch Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:48:45 +0100, in alt.atheism Richard Anacker <116@taunus-biker.de> wrote in <1twgch3fexkj6.dlg@news.fahrschule-anacker.de>: >Virgil , 01.22.2008: > >> It still supports slavery, which is an evil. > >Obviously not for "good Christs" > >greets >richie > >X'Posted to: alt.atheism,alt.politics,alt.philosophy He's an absolute fan of evil. Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Richard Anacker wrote: > Roy Jose Lorr , 01.22.2008: > > >>>>>Ind this moral guide is what tells you to try to indoctrinate and >>>>>insist other people that do not agree with your personal faith? >>>> >>>>It tells me the opposite. >>> >>> >>>So you are imoral? >> >>You can explain this nonsense? > > > If your codex tells you the oposite of the things you do, then you > must be imoral. Learn to read what you write. Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Sid9 wrote: > Roy Jose Lorr wrote: > >>Limbaugh unhinges his jaw to eat his own waste wrote: >> >> >>>On Jan 21, 9:48 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I don't have that problem. My moral guide is Absolute, not subject >>>>to relativistic manipulation. >>> >>> >>>>Your existence is proof that God exists. Since He therefore exists >>>>then His word is truth. God's word exists in the book He tells us >>>>He authored: the Five Books of Moses (Genesis - Deuteronomy). >>> >>> >>> >>>First you must prove that a god exist and that this god is the >>>absolute authority. >> >>God needs no proof. Still, the proof is your existence. > > > The proof of god's existence > is not the proof of a person's > existence. > > All you've done is made a > statement. You've provided > no evidence. > > > Please provide proof of > your god's existence and > proof that your god is > unique and and all other > god's are false. There is only one God. Your existence is proof of His. Quote
Guest Sid9 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Roy Jose Lorr wrote: > Sid9 wrote: > >> Roy Jose Lorr wrote: >> >>> Limbaugh unhinges his jaw to eat his own waste wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 21, 9:48 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I don't have that problem. My moral guide is Absolute, not >>>>> subject to relativistic manipulation. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your existence is proof that God exists. Since He therefore >>>>> exists then His word is truth. God's word exists in the book He >>>>> tells us He authored: the Five Books of Moses (Genesis - >>>>> Deuteronomy). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> First you must prove that a god exist and that this god is the >>>> absolute authority. >>> >>> God needs no proof. Still, the proof is your existence. >> >> >> The proof of god's existence >> is not the proof of a person's >> existence. >> >> All you've done is made a >> statement. You've provided >> no evidence. >> >> >> Please provide proof of >> your god's existence and >> proof that your god is >> unique and and all other >> god's are false. > > There is only one God. > > Your existence is proof of His. Which "one god" is that? Quote
Guest Virgil Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 In article <BvmdnRtgi-4ILAvanZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@comcast.com>, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote: > There is only one God. > > Your existence is proof of His. Non sequitur in extremis. Quote
Guest Michael Gray Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:55:31 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:48:45 +0100, in alt.atheism >Richard Anacker <116@taunus-biker.de> wrote in ><1twgch3fexkj6.dlg@news.fahrschule-anacker.de>: >>Virgil , 01.22.2008: >> >>> It still supports slavery, which is an evil. >> >>Obviously not for "good Christs" >> >>greets >>richie >> >>X'Posted to: alt.atheism,alt.politics,alt.philosophy > >He's an absolute fan of evil. X-posted to "alt.philosophy"? Yes, he must be. Quote
Guest Richard Anacker Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Roy Jose Lorr , 01.23.2008: > Learn to read what you write. good argument. Selfconfuting. To write ad hominem means to have no argument. So you lost. bye bye greets richie X'Posted to: alt.atheism,alt.politics,alt.philosophy -- "I would have made a good Pope." -Richard Nixon Quote
Guest Richard Anacker Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Roy Jose Lorr , 01.23.2008: > There is only one God. Why? greets richie X'Posted to: alt.atheism,alt.politics,alt.philosophy -- Lieblingsvideos auf youtube: Joan Baez - With God on Our Side (Live 1966) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pih1hVdflnQ&feature=related Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Sid9 wrote: > Roy Jose Lorr wrote: > >>Sid9 wrote: >> >> >>>Roy Jose Lorr wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Limbaugh unhinges his jaw to eat his own waste wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Jan 21, 9:48 pm, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I don't have that problem. My moral guide is Absolute, not >>>>>>subject to relativistic manipulation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Your existence is proof that God exists. Since He therefore >>>>>>exists then His word is truth. God's word exists in the book He >>>>>>tells us He authored: the Five Books of Moses (Genesis - >>>>>>Deuteronomy). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>First you must prove that a god exist and that this god is the >>>>>absolute authority. >>>> >>>>God needs no proof. Still, the proof is your existence. >>> >>> >>>The proof of god's existence >>>is not the proof of a person's >>>existence. >>> >>>All you've done is made a >>>statement. You've provided >>>no evidence. >>> >>> >>>Please provide proof of >>>your god's existence and >>>proof that your god is >>>unique and and all other >>>god's are false. >> >>There is only one God. >> >>Your existence is proof of His. > > > > Which "one god" is that? What difference does it make to you? Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Richard Anacker wrote: > Roy Jose Lorr , 01.23.2008: > > >>There is only one God. > > > Why? What difference does it make to you? Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Free Lunch wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:48:49 -0800, in alt.atheism > Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote in > <KbWdnQ30CtwnHgjanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast.com>: > >>Free Lunch wrote: > > > ... > > >>>Here is one example: >>> >>>Exodus 21 >>> >>> 1 "These are the laws you are to set before them: >>> >>> 2 "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But >>>in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he >>>comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, >>>she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears >>>him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her >>>master, and only the man shall go free. >>> >>> 5 "But if the servant declares, 'I love my master and my wife and >>>children and do not want to go free,' 6 then his master must take him >>>before the judges. [a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and >>>pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life. >>> >>> 7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as >>>menservants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her >>>for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell >>>her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects >>>her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he >>>marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, >>>clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these >>>three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money. >> >>There is not a shred of immorality in the above. What transpires is the >>giving of law that mitigates the brutal aspects of slavery that is >>inherent to the human condition. > > > So, you claim that slavery is moral in your 'absolute morality' system. It is moral to mitigate the brutal aspects of slavery, slavery that is inherent to the human condition. > > Your morality stinks. It is vile, pathetic, excuses any evil. You are > more corrupt than a dead deer on the side of the road on a 100 F day. > You are only good for maggots and flies to feast on. You are a denier of reality. Quote
Guest Richard Anacker Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Roy Jose Lorr , 01.23.2008: >> Which "one god" is that? > > What difference does it make to you? Is it possible that you answer questions? Obviously not. greets richie X'Posted to: alt.atheism,alt.politics,alt.philosophy -- Lieblingsvideos auf youtube: Metallica - The Best Unforgiven Live Performance Quote
Guest Richard Anacker Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Roy Jose Lorr , 01.23.2008: >>>There is only one God. >> >> >> Why? > > What difference does it make to you? Apparently don't you have answers. Nor aguments. So what the fuck are you doing here exept of spamming? greets richie X'Posted to: alt.atheism,alt.politics,alt.philosophy -- Lieblingsvideos auf youtube: Pink Floyd Live At Pompeii - Echoes (Part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sein6WnbY0&feature=related Quote
Guest Richard Anacker Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Roy Jose Lorr , 01.23.2008: > You are a denier of reality. And you are a claimer without evidences. You claim youre reality as the only true one (what is an utter bullshit) and tell this right into the face of people that did't invite you to do so. So you are an abuser as well. Is this your xian mission to do so? To be a pain in the ass of undeluded people? No, this time I don't expect an answer, which you would avoid anyway, as usual. This time I stick you in my killfile to the other morons that use to hang arround here with their cruddy sense of mission. Have a nice life. greets richie X'Posted to: alt.atheism,alt.politics,alt.philosophy -- Lieblingsvideos auf youtube: 09) Raucher: Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Richard Anacker wrote: > Roy Jose Lorr , 01.23.2008: > > >>>Which "one god" is that? >> >>What difference does it make to you? > > > Is it possible that you answer questions? Obviously not. Is it possible for you to read the thread? Obviously not. Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Richard Anacker wrote: > Roy Jose Lorr , 01.23.2008: > > >>>>There is only one God. >>> >>> >>>Why? >> >>What difference does it make to you? > > > Apparently don't you have answers. Nor aguments. So what the fuck are > you doing here exept of spamming? Projection suits you. Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Richard Anacker wrote: > Roy Jose Lorr , 01.23.2008: > > >>You are a denier of reality. > > > And you are a claimer without evidences. You claim youre reality as > the only true one (what is an utter bullshit) and tell this right into > the face of people that did't invite you to do so. So you are an > abuser as well. Is this your xian mission to do so? To be a pain in > the ass of undeluded people? > > No, this time I don't expect an answer, which you would avoid anyway, > as usual. This time I stick you in my killfile to the other morons > that use to hang arround here with their cruddy sense of mission. > > Have a nice life. Hallelujah! Not a bad sermon. Could use a bit more fire and brimstone though. Quote
Guest Roy Jose Lorr Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Hatter wrote: > On Jan 22, 11:45 am, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote: > >>Hatterwrote: >> >>>On Jan 20, 9:55 am, Roy Jose Lorr <Ken...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>>>Michael Gray wrote: >> >>>>>On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:21:45 -0800 (PST), Limbaugh unhinges his jaw to >>>>>eat his own waste <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>On Jan 19, 4:26 pm, "Mr4701" <NoExi...@Earth.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>>A Godless person is just as bad as an overzealous person. Atheist Stalin had >>>>>>>no more of a beef killing people than Islamofascist Osama Bin Laden. >> >>>>>>I'm sorry but you're going to either have to prove this statement >>>>>>logically or present evidence, statistical evidence. >> >>>>>>By the way, I have tons of evidences that christians are bad. >> >>>>>But because of their belief. >>>>>No one is bad because of a lack of a belief, which is exactly what >>>>>atheism is. >> >>>>There is no such thing as 'lack of belief'.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>Did you know there was a word in the English language: anti-guggler. >> >>>Before I mentioned it, did you lack belief in anti-gugglers? Do you >>>lack belief now? >> >>Nonsense question.- Hide quoted text - >> >>- Show quoted text - > > > Only because it prove your point is wrong. You dance aside and fail to > stand up to the light of reason. You are a coward. You are a moron, expecting substantive answers to nonsense questions. Quote
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