The Death Penalty

[Jezzeeka]

I was wondering what all of your views are on the death penalty. I am a clinical psychology student focusing on abnormal psychology so my view is as follows :-

 

I personally really don't believe in the death penalty. If we look at some of the crimes where the murderer is given the death penalty it's obvious that person is not operating in a 'normal' state of mind. For a lot of these murders I can see a mental illness at work and I don't believe it is right to just kill these people.

 

I have also seen how destructive the death penalty can be as people using the death penalty as a way of justifying their actions stating that they can do it so why can't I.

 

If we had more faith in our justice system and truly believed that when someone is jailed for life it means LIFE we wouldn't need the death penalty. It makes no sense to have the death penalty, not logicially morally or anything else! Not only does it A. Send the wrong message to people basically SHOWING that killing is ok B. Take away many of innocent lives C. Write off people as scum and evil even though there is most likely a mental disorder at work it is a lot cheaper to put someone in jail for life than it is to go for the death penalty!.

 

Please don't take this the wrong way and think that I am trying to justify people's actions because I am most certainly not, I just don't believe that we can help the world by showing the people of today that killing is ok and then telling them that it is wrong! I think that people should be put into jail FOR LIFE with no exceptions when it comes to murder etc and undergo psychiatric evaluations and therapy to try and discover WHY this person did this crime. People may say it let's people who do terrible crimes get off easy but I personally don't think that living with something so terrible for the rest of your life is an easy thing to do, and after serious therapy eventually these people will realize what they have done and will have to live with it.

 

We basically need to look deeply at ourselves and our justice system and stop writing people off as evil and trying to play God.

 

Please let me know your feelings on the subject.

 

Thank you

[RoyalOrleans]

I was wondering what all of your views are on the death penalty. I am a clinical psychology student focusing on abnormal psychology so my view is as follows.

 

What do you want a cookie or something? You'll have fun plugging away at our minds, cocksucker.

 

Ohh... and welcome to fucking GF, cunt.

 

I personally really don't believe in the death penalty. If we look at some of the crimes where the murderer is given the death penalty it's obvious that person is not operating in a 'normal' state of mind. For a lot of these murders I can see a mental illness at work and I don't believe it is right to just kill these people.

 

Neither was it right for the person of abnormal state of mind to kill in the first fucking place. Some crimes deserve death, while others deserve a lifetime of reflection. Cold blooded murder, whether by a perfectly sane individual or a mental degenerate, should be answered with death.

 

If life is so goddamn fucking important to you, why would you hasten to the side of these murderous degenerates instead of to the side of the victim(s)' case?

 

I have also seen how destructive the death penalty can be as people using the death penalty as a way of justifying their actions stating that they can do it so why can't I.

 

Death is the only absolute and death is cheap.

 

When a murderous cocksucker is left alive and the family of the victim is long bereft of their justice, that is injustice.

 

If we had more faith in our justice system and truly believed that when someone is jailed for life it means LIFE we wouldn't need the death penalty. It makes no sense to have the death penalty, not logicially morally or anything else! Not only does it A. Send the wrong message to people basically SHOWING that killing is ok B. Take away many of innocent lives C. Write off people as scum and evil even though there is most likely a mental disorder at work it is a lot cheaper to put someone in jail for life than it is to go for the death penalty!.

 

Again, death is the only absolute. The price of a lethal injection has to be 1/1600000 of the cost of keeping the degenerate alive. And with my taxpayer dollar hard at work for Uncle Sam, I can't think of a better way.

 

To answer your little multiple choice...

 

A. Death sends a hard and clear message to all wrong-doers, nayerdowells, thugs, perverts, and degenerates. Those of stronger character and the ability to be civil to their fucking neighbors will know right from wrong.

 

B. Who is not innocent? Who is not guilty? Ever wished anyone dead? How about little Billy Mumphries who wanted to see your pretty pink panties on Easter fucking Sunday?

 

C. If a mental disorder is so bad and so degenerate that it sends these waterheads off in a kill-crazy rampage, then death is the only reward for their wetwork. This unfortunately, is where our early childhood education system fails in this country. If detected early on, then we could avoid needless bloodspill.

 

Please don't take this the wrong way and think that I am trying to justify people's actions because I am most certainly not, I just don't believe that we can help the world by showing the people of today that killing is ok and then telling them that it is wrong! I think that people should be put into jail FOR LIFE with no exceptions when it comes to murder etc and undergo psychiatric evaluations and therapy to try and discover WHY this person did this crime. People may say it let's people who do terrible crimes get off easy but I personally don't think that living with something so terrible for the rest of your life is an easy thing to do, and after serious therapy eventually these people will realize what they have done and will have to live with it.

 

How in the fuck else are we supposed to take it? With a grain of salt that you then grind into our wounds? Personally, I am trying to lower my sodium intake.

 

 

We basically need to look deeply at ourselves and our justice system and stop writing people off as evil and trying to play God.

 

God has nothing to do with Man's Freewill, but he is forgiving (I heartell). The justice system is a little more hard nosed and never forgets.

 

I think you need an enema.

 

Please let me know your feelings on the subject.

 

Loud and clear.

 

Thank you

 

Go fuck yourself.

[Jezzeeka]

I was hoping for intellectual people who can express theirselves without using vulgar language and respect the actual subject to reply.

This is a debating forum that I posted on and I was hoping that someone would reply who can debate in a respectable manor.

 

I'm sorry but I will not quote and reply to each little section of your post like you did with mine because I am personally dissapointed in your response and as I said before I was hoping for someone of intellect to reply.

 

But thank you for your time it's appreciated even if the language was vulgar.

 

God bless

[RoyalOrleans]

I was hoping for intellectual people who can express theirselves without using vulgar language and respect the actual subject to reply.

This is a debating forum that I posted on and I was hoping that someone would reply who can debate in a respectable manor.

 

This is not a respectable manor, this is fucking GF. All those years of schooling and you can't spell worth a shit?

 

I'm sorry but I will not quote and reply to each little section of your post like you did with mine because I am personally dissapointed in your response and as I said before I was hoping for someone of intellect to reply.

 

I can be a ruthless motherfucker and I can be polite and debate in a dignified manner, worthy of stellar acclamations.

 

I decided to strike with a poison tongue, because you brought up the biggest talked to death subject in the history of GF.

 

So that vulgarity won't rear it's ugly, yet pretty, head; do a fucking SEARCH for topics already in play.

 

But thank you for your time it's appreciated even if the language was vulgar.

 

Ahh... so you're better than me? Since you're my better, how can one so condescending be so ignorant while sitting high and mighty?

 

 

God bless

 

Tell your God to ready for blood.

[phreakwars]

Man, a 2 post knock out.

 

HE LEFT US

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[hugo]

 

 

If we had more faith in our justice system and truly believed that when someone is jailed for life it means LIFE we wouldn't need the death penalty. It makes no sense to have the death penalty, not logicially morally or anything else! Not only does it A. Send the wrong message to people basically SHOWING that killing is ok B. Take away many of innocent lives C. Write off people as scum and evil even though there is most likely a mental disorder at work it is a lot cheaper to put someone in jail for life than it is to go for the death penalty!.

 

People may say it let's people who do terrible crimes get off easy but I personally don't think that living with something so terrible for the rest of your life is an easy thing to do, and after serious therapy eventually these people will realize what they have done and will have to live with it.

 

We basically need to look deeply at ourselves and our justice system and stop writing people off as evil and trying to play God.

 

 

Let me answer A. first: Actually the death penalty shows innocent life is so respected that those guilty of taking it must recieve the ultimate punishment. No one argues that fining thieves is wrong or imprisoning kidnappers. A kidnapper could argue "Gee, the state deprives prisoners of liberty why cain't I kidnap people?" b There is still not one proven case, post-Furman, of anyone executed who was innocent. c. They are fucking evil it would be much cheaper to kill them was it not for the pansy liberals drawing out the appeals process. You should get two appeals, they should be done within a year of your conviction.

 

Psychopaths have no conscience and do not respond to therapy. Kill them

 

Try coming up with something besides old worn out liberal lies for argument and you might get some respect. Every time I see someone who puts forth the argument that state executions compare to the crimes of serial killers I stamp them as a fucking moron.

[Gallytuck]

I agree with Hugo. There'd have to be some sort of hard evidence, like eyewitnesses, videos(I can't believe Bernardo and Homolka are still alive), or something like those.

 

And no, I don't believe people who have plotted but have not carried out "terrorist activities" should be murdered.

[RoyalOrleans]

And no, I don't believe people who have plotted but have not carried out "terrorist activities" should be murdered.

 

So the completion of some terroristic attack which resulted in 'x' amount of death, should be kept alive?

 

Martyr them? No, they go to meet their maker and martyr's now are only recognized in the most uncouth, uncivilized of nations/cultures.

[Lethalfind]

I was wondering what all of your views are on the death penalty. I am a clinical psychology student focusing on abnormal psychology so my view is as follows :-

 

I personally really don't believe in the death penalty. If we look at some of the crimes where the murderer is given the death penalty it's obvious that person is not operating in a 'normal' state of mind. For a lot of these murders I can see a mental illness at work and I don't believe it is right to just kill these people.

 

I have also seen how destructive the death penalty can be as people using the death penalty as a way of justifying their actions stating that they can do it so why can't I.

 

If we had more faith in our justice system and truly believed that when someone is jailed for life it means LIFE we wouldn't need the death penalty. It makes no sense to have the death penalty, not logicially morally or anything else! Not only does it A. Send the wrong message to people basically SHOWING that killing is ok B. Take away many of innocent lives C. Write off people as scum and evil even though there is most likely a mental disorder at work it is a lot cheaper to put someone in jail for life than it is to go for the death penalty!.

 

Please don't take this the wrong way and think that I am trying to justify people's actions because I am most certainly not, I just don't believe that we can help the world by showing the people of today that killing is ok and then telling them that it is wrong! I think that people should be put into jail FOR LIFE with no exceptions when it comes to murder etc and undergo psychiatric evaluations and therapy to try and discover WHY this person did this crime. People may say it let's people who do terrible crimes get off easy but I personally don't think that living with something so terrible for the rest of your life is an easy thing to do, and after serious therapy eventually these people will realize what they have done and will have to live with it.

 

We basically need to look deeply at ourselves and our justice system and stop writing people off as evil and trying to play God.

 

Please let me know your feelings on the subject.

 

Thank you

 

Maybe while your taught in school that all the killers just need to be understood you should take few law classes, in the good old US of A its not about whether your insane according to the psychiatric fields definition of it...its if you knew what you were doing was wrong...that is the LEGAL definition of sanity...Most criminals go out of their way to hide their crime, that in itself shows a they understood what they were doing was wrong. I don't give a damn if they were beaten daily and grew up to kill...they need to be taken off this earth before they kill anyone else. You have to know there is no way to help these people other then to send them to their maker as soon as posible. Once your working with the filth that commit crimes like this, your rose colored glasses will fall away.

 

Having said that...I think its important for people to realize the death penalty does not serve as a deterent to others, only to the person who is put too death...It costs the state more money to put them to death then to warehouse them for the rest of their lives. If the voters still feel the death penalty is a good idea in light of these well published stats then light em up Hoss !!

 

There have been those that even while in prison they were still a threat, Ted Bundy had no abnormal childhood to lean on as an excuse, he escaped twice while in custody and left a trail of dead in 3 or 4 states if I remember correctly. He was even allowed to marry and father a child while in prison...NICE, so we can rule out his environment as a cause, so maybe he was born bad? Well maybe he passed that on to the child he fathered while in jail...

[Lethalfind]

I was hoping for intellectual people who can express theirselves without using vulgar language and respect the actual subject to reply.

This is a debating forum that I posted on and I was hoping that someone would reply who can debate in a respectable manor.

 

I'm sorry but I will not quote and reply to each little section of your post like you did with mine because I am personally dissapointed in your response and as I said before I was hoping for someone of intellect to reply.

 

But thank you for your time it's appreciated even if the language was vulgar.

 

God bless

 

You need to get over yourself...I know we have...

[hugo]

 

Having said that...I think its important for people to realize the death penalty does not serve as a deterent to others, only to the person who is put too death...

 

Another liberal lie. There are many studies that have shown that the death penalty is a strong deterrent...the Emory University study just to name one.

[jokersarewild]

Another liberal lie. There are many studies that have shown that the death penalty is a strong deterrent...the Emory University study just to name one.

 

Yeah, I've never heard of people justifying murder with it....

[Lethalfind]

Another liberal lie. There are many studies that have shown that the death penalty is a strong deterrent...the Emory University study just to name one.

 

So your saying the studies that have been published showing that states that have the death penalty STILL have a high occurence of these crimes, similar to those states that DO NOT have the death penalty are FAKE??

 

I wish it were true, I don't give a rats ass for these people, but everywhere you turn this is what the studies show. I still think the death penalty is a good idea, at least you know for sure its a deterent to the one who has been put too death.

 

"While most deterrence research has found that the death

penalty has virtually the same effect as long imprisonment on

homicide rates (for review, see Paternoster, 1991: 217-45), in

the mid-1970's economist Isaac Ehrlich reported that his research

had uncovered a significant deterrent effect. He estimated that

each execution between 1933 and 1969 had prevented eight

homicides (Ehrlich, 1975). This research gained widespread

attention, in part because Solicitor General Robert Bork used it

to defend the death penalty in the 1970's when the Supreme Court

was considering whether to make permanent its 1972 ban of the

death penalty (Bedau, 1981:95). Although Ehrlich's work was

strongly criticized for methodological and conceptual

shortcomings by scholars (e.g., Forst, 1983; Waldo, 1981) and

even a panel appointed by the National Academy of Sciences (Klein

et al., 1978), it continues to be cited by some as more or less

conclusive proof that the death penalty has a deterrent effect on

homicide (e.g., Sowell, 1994). A student of Ehrlich's, Stephen

Layson, later reported his estimation that each execution

deterred approximately 18 homicides (Layson, 1985). This

research, too, was criticized as fatally flawed (Fox and Radelet,

1989), but nonetheless it continues to be embraced by proponents

of the death penalty (e.g., Cassell, 1993)."

 

http://www.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/dp/dppapers/mike.deterence

 

Have a read over this study and then your still going to say its a lie...whats the point of even talking to someone whose comeback is the people with the other opinion are lying...

[jokersarewild]

Studies prove killing people stops them from commiting crimes.

[smutt butt]

I was wondering what all of your views are on the death penalty. I am a clinical psychology student focusing on abnormal psychology so my view is as follows :-

 

I personally really don't believe in the death penalty. If we look at some of the crimes where the murderer is given the death penalty it's obvious that person is not operating in a 'normal' state of mind. For a lot of these murders I can see a mental illness at work and I don't believe it is right to just kill these people.

 

I have also seen how destructive the death penalty can be as people using the death penalty as a way of justifying their actions stating that they can do it so why can't I.

 

If we had more faith in our justice system and truly believed that when someone is jailed for life it means LIFE we wouldn't need the death penalty. It makes no sense to have the death penalty, not logicially morally or anything else! Not only does it A. Send the wrong message to people basically SHOWING that killing is ok B. Take away many of innocent lives C. Write off people as scum and evil even though there is most likely a mental disorder at work it is a lot cheaper to put someone in jail for life than it is to go for the death penalty!.

 

Please don't take this the wrong way and think that I am trying to justify people's actions because I am most certainly not, I just don't believe that we can help the world by showing the people of today that killing is ok and then telling them that it is wrong! I think that people should be put into jail FOR LIFE with no exceptions when it comes to murder etc and undergo psychiatric evaluations and therapy to try and discover WHY this person did this crime. People may say it let's people who do terrible crimes get off easy but I personally don't think that living with something so terrible for the rest of your life is an easy thing to do, and after serious therapy eventually these people will realize what they have done and will have to live with it.

 

We basically need to look deeply at ourselves and our justice system and stop writing people off as evil and trying to play God.

 

Please let me know your feelings on the subject.

 

Thank you

 

rape or murder someone then i don't give a fuck. die mother mucker.

 

harm a child...... suffer intense pain for 10 years then fukkin die. or get thrown into a pit of maggots.

[hugo]

So your saying the studies that have been published showing that states that have the death penalty STILL have a high occurence of these crimes, similar to those states that DO NOT have the death penalty are FAKE??

 

I wish it were true, I don't give a rats ass for these people, but everywhere you turn this is what the studies show. I still think the death penalty is a good idea, at least you know for sure its a deterent to the one who has been put too death.

 

Those studies have cause and effect confused. States with higher murder rates are more likely to defend their citizens by imposing the death penalty.

 

Be careful when reading about studies to find out what the agenda of those publishing the study is.

[jokersarewild]

I could see studies doing that.

[hugo]

Let me continue the cut and paste war:

 

The individual deterrent effect is proven by many, perhaps thousands, of individual, fully documented cases where criminals have admitted that the death penalty was the specific threat which deterred them and/or others from committing murder. Indeed, one study showed that criminals, by a 5:1 ratio, believed that capital punishment was a significant enough deterrent to prevent them and/or others from murdering their victims (People vs Love, 56 Cal 2d 720 (1961), McComb, J. dissenting. see also: (A) "Controversy Over Capital Punishment", Congressional Digest, Jan.,’73, p. 13; (B) L.A.P.D. study within Aikens vs Ca., No. 68-5027, Oct. Term, 1971, U.S. Supreme Court; ( C ) Carol Vance, "The Death Penalty After Furman", The Prosecutor, vol. 9, no. 4 (1973), p. 703; (D) Carrington, F., Neither Cruel Nor Unusual, Pgs. 92-100(1978); (E) Don Hooloschultz, "Gunman Slain, Hostages O.K.", Washington Star News, 8/23/73, p.A-1; (F) Jim Landers, "4 Guilty in Holdup Sentence", Washington Post, 12/8/73,p.B-1; (G) Larry Derryberry, "It Is The Fear That Death May Be The Punishment That Deters", Police Digest, Spring/Summer 1973, p.27, col.2. ; (H) "Langley says Texas death penalty affected his actions during escape", by Stephen Martin, The Daily Democrat (Ft. Madison, Iowa), 1/8/97, pg 1. Indeed, prisoners rate the death penalty as a much more severe penalty than they do life without parole (B.12).While it is difficult to prove a negative, i.e. "How many murders does the death penalty cause not to occur?", there is absolute evidence that the individual deterrent effect of executions saves innocent lives. Extensive worldwide research on individual deterrence would, undoubtedly, reveal significant general deterrent effect.

 

Regarding the deterrent affect of the death penalty, poet Hyam Barshay made the following observation, "The death penalty is a warning, just like a lighthouse throwing beams out to sea. We hear about shipwrecks, but we do not hear about the ships the lighthouse guides safely on their way. We do not have proof of the number of ships it saves, but we do not tear the lighthouse down." Prof. Ernest van den Haag, "On Deterrence and The Death Penalty", Journal of Criminal Law, Criminology and Police Science, vol. 60, no.2 (1969).

 

30 years of studies suggest that the death penalty is a general, or systemic, deterrent. (See works by Profs. D. Cloninger, S. Cameron, I. Ehrlich, W. Bailey, D. Lester, S. Layson, K. I. Wolpin, L. Phillips, S. C. Ray, S. Stack, etc.) Examples: a) A 1967-68 study revealed 27 states showed a deterrent effect (Bailey, W.,1974); b) The 1960's showed a rapid rise in all crimes, including murder, while both prison terms and executions declined (Passell, P. & Taylor, T., 1977; Bowers, W. & Pierce, G., 1975); c) Murder increased 100% during the U.S.’s moratorium on executions (Carrington, F., Neither Cruel Nor Unusual); d) 14 nations that abolished the death penalty showed that murder rates increased 7% from the 5 year pre-abolition period to the 5 year post abolition period (Archer, et al, 1977); e) A 37 state study showed that 24 states showed a deterrent effect, 8 states showed a brutalization effect and 5 states showed no effect (Bailey, W., 1979-80); and f) econometric studies indicate that each execution may deter 8 or more murders ( Cameron, S., 1994). Although these studies have been produced by respected social scientists, there are also studies which show no general deterrent effect. Indeed, with the complexity of these studies and with the number of variables required to accurately measure the general deterrent effect of executions on murder rates, it is arguable if there ever will be a statistical consensus with general deterrence studies. With so few executions and so many murders, the general deterrent effect may remain statistically elusive. However, it is that very inconclusive nature of general deterrence which provides the two reasons which require executions. First, we must choose to use executions because they may save innocent life. Whereas, if we choose not to use executions and there is a general deterrent effect, we would be sacrificing innocent lives. Therefore, a moral imperative exists to choose executions (see B. 9). Secondly, the individual deterrent effect would not exist but for the presence of general deterrence. And because the individual deterrent effect is proven and cannot be contradicted, we know that the general deterrent effect must exist, even though its existence may remain inconclusive by statistical analysis.

 

Opponents state that if the death penalty was a deterrent then states that have the death penalty would have a reduced homicide rate. Delaware, which executes more murderers per capita than any other state in the U.S.A., also has low homicide rates. Furthermore, general or systemic deterrence is not necessarily measured by low or reduced homicide rates, but by rates that are lower than they otherwise would be if the death penalty was not present. Additionally, some countries, such as Saudi Arabia, have swift and sure executions and very low violent crime rates. It is not surprising that the U.S., which has executed only 0.06% of its murderers since 1967, does not overtly show a general deterrent effect. While most in the U.S. would not advocate criminal justice systems like that of Saudi Arabia, it is also very clear that the American criminal justice system fosters the additional slaughter of its own innocent citizens.

 

The highest murder rate in Houston (Harris County), Texas occurred in 1981, with 701 murders. Texas resumed executions in 1982. Since that time, Houston (Harris County) has executed more murderers than any other city or state (except Texas) AND has seen the greatest reduction in murder, 701 in 1981 down to 261 in 1996 - a 63% reduction, representing a 270% differential! (FBI, UCR, 1982 & Houston Chronicle, 2/1/97, pg. 31A).

 

The fact is there are conflicting studies and each side of the debate has pointed out flaws in the studies supporting the opponents position. The overwhelmingly liberal "experts" Lethatfind cites are just that overwhelmingly liberal. Why did the highest growth in the US murder rate in the 20th Century coincide with the Supreme Court' effective ban on the death penalty from 1967 to 1980?

[hugo]

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Man blamed for 14 murders executed in Texas

November 17, 1998

 

 

HUNTSVILLE, Texas (CNN) -- Kenneth Allen McDuff, who was freed from death row only to return a second time, was executed in Texas Tuesday night. He was the 17th inmate put to death in that state this year.

 

McDuff, 52, was believed to be the only condemned inmate in the nation ever paroled and then returned to death row for another murder.

 

McDuff was first imprisoned in 1965 for burglary, and then went to death row in 1968 for fatally shooting two teen-age boys in the face in Fort Worth. He was also convicted of raping and strangling their 16-year-old female companion.

 

But as he was awaiting execution in 1972, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the death penalty as unconstitutional. McDuff's sentence was commuted to life. After 21 years in prison, McDuff was paroled in 1989, when Texas freed thousands of inmates to free up space in their overcrowded prisons for newly convicted inmates.

 

Two of his victims, Melissa Ann Northrup and Colleen Reed were killed a short time later. After a nationwide manhunt, McDuff was arrested in Kansas City in 1992.

 

It was for the abduction, rape and murder of Northrup that McDuff was executed. The body of the 22-year-old pregnant mother of two was found in a gravel pit weeks after her abduction from a convenience store. Her hands were tied behind her, and she had been strangled with a rope.

 

McDuff also had a second death sentence for the 1991 abduction and killing of Austin accountant Colleen Reed, 28, but a judge granted a stay in that case. Authorities say he may have killed as many as a dozen other people, primarily in central Texas between Austin and Waco.

 

"What a worthless being," said Reed's sister, Lori Bible. "Every day he's alive, you can't help but hold your breath waiting for something to happen. Another parole? A breakout? Anything could happen. The chance of him being free again is just terrifying to me."

 

 

McDuff led police to bodies, paper says

 

It wasn't until last month that authorities found Reed's skeleton, buried along the Brazos River south of Waco. Unearthed nearby were the remains of two other women, also believed to be McDuff victims.

 

The Austin American-Statesman reported Tuesday that McDuff was secretly taken out of prison under heavy guard for two days in October to help police find Reed's body. Authorities had been unable to find the body with maps he drew.

 

Authorities had earlier found the bodies of two Waco women, Reginia Moore and Brenda Thompson, using McDuff's maps, the newspaper reported, quoting sources familiar with the searches.

 

After police found Reed and the other two victims, a nephew of McDuff got a reduced sentence for his drug-dealing conviction, the newspaper said.

 

Earlier, authorities said they found the bodies with help from an informant, but they didn't identify the informant.

 

A federal judge last week reduced the sentence of McDuff's nephew, Michael Wayne Royals, 42, from 15 years to 10 years. Royals is serving a prison term for delivery of amphetamines and methamphetamines.

 

The newspaper said sources insisted that no explicit deal was cut.

 

However, the American-Statesman said that according to people familiar with the case, the chain of events started months ago when a relative of McDuff asked authorities if they would help Royals in exchange for McDuff's help in finding the victims.

 

The court docket shows that a federal prosecutor made a request in Royals' case November 4, but the request was sealed. On November 10, the docket shows that U.S. District Judge Walter Smith issued an order, which also is sealed.

 

Smith and Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Johnston, a prosecutor in the Royals case, refused to comment. State prison officials refused to comment on the report that McDuff was taken out of prison to help find one of the bodies.

 

McDuff, reportedly terminally ill with hepatitis C and cirrhosis of the liver, has refused requests for interviews.

 

Executing Lethal's buddy, Ken, the first fucking time would have deterred quite a few murders.

[Jezzeeka]

I just think that people need to pay more attention to offenders who commit crimes such as burglary and more petty crimes because a lot of serial killers escalate from these more petty crimes to murder as they grow in confidence.

 

When talking about serial killers, that is people who get off on a particular thing such as stabbing their victim, the death penalty will never be a deterrent because these people are criminaly insane. When working with these people the best thing you can do is to diagnose the disorder before they even get to the killing stage....But apparently people arn't THAT bothered to actually put time into stopping crime.

[Lethalfind]

I just think that people need to pay more attention to offenders who commit crimes such as burglary and more petty crimes because a lot of serial killers escalate from these more petty crimes to murder as they grow in confidence.

 

When talking about serial killers, that is people who get off on a particular thing such as stabbing their victim, the death penalty will never be a deterrent because these people are criminaly insane. When working with these people the best thing you can do is to diagnose the disorder before they even get to the killing stage....But apparently people arn't THAT bothered to actually put time into stopping crime.

 

SO your saying we should diagnose them and remove them from the public BEFORE they have commited a crime...that'll work...your bright. Its hard enough to get the law to address the problem once the person has commited a crime, no one will do a damn thing just because a psych professional diagnoses someone criminally insane. Unless your one of those people who actually thinks these people can be treated and made better, if so then you truly are a waste of space.

[Jezzeeka]

So I'm guessing that you're a psychiatrist seeing as you know so much about mental illness and how it can be treated and the success rate of treatment?

 

All I can say is we can see.

 

God bless

[hugo]

So I'm guessing that you're a psychiatrist seeing as you know so much about mental illness and how it can be treated and the success rate of treatment?

 

All I can say is we can see.

 

God bless

 

I'm guessing you are a fucking dumbass.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Oh what the heck... I'll play in this arena yet once again.

 

Jezzeeka:

 

Here is the bitter truth.

 

Imprisonment is a EXTREME BURDEN placed upon the law abiding. It's sole expense is borne by the very people whom the criminal has wronged.

 

Life imprisonment is the highest form of this EXTREME BURDEN being placed upon the law abiding members of society. It constitutes a lifetime of financial taxation and waste of resources placed squarely upon society in order to provide for a life of comfort, housing and food for a convicted criminal guilty of heinous acts against that same society.

 

SWIFT EXECUTION is the only FAIR method of justice which does not unnecessarily burden the innocent and law abiding society as a whole.

 

Personally, I find all the argument of rehabilitation to be a bunch of bunk. Prison rehabilitates NOBODY. Ever. It simply makes them tougher, more cunning, and more ruthless for the next wave of crime they will commit upon release.

 

Claims that a life sentence served in prison is punishment falls clearly into the realm of ridiculousness. Free clothes, shelter, food, even entertainment. Ludicrous!

 

SWIFT EXECUTION provides for justice and balance and removes any further burden of the criminal from law abiding society.

 

Lastly, the form of execution and the ongoing debate and legal challenges as to cruel and unusual punishment for this method or that is without a doubt the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in my life.

 

A high velocity bullet to the back of the head is swift and final and dirt cheap - and the only fair deal to the member of a law abiding soceity.

[Lethalfind]

So I'm guessing that you're a psychiatrist seeing as you know so much about mental illness and how it can be treated and the success rate of treatment?

 

All I can say is we can see.

 

God bless

 

Is that the best retort you have??

 

You must be really lost if thats all you can come up with.

 

Please enjoy your life holding hands with the dregs of society...make sure they don't know where you live or you too could end up their victim, or your wife, your child...then we'll see how you feel about putting people like that too death.