The Death Penalty

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The viciousness of some of the responses tend to prove my point regarding the impact on a society that perpetuates violence. Regardless, there are solutions that are better than the death penalty, just in terms of reversability. With regard to cost, I think that you put your feet on a very slippery slope when you say that it is cheaper to kill than to imprison. That argument was behind Hitler's "final solution" . But even then, there are ways to make imprisonment cost free. The south of your country was founded on slavery, why not make use of the labour offered by convicts. It worked for Australia. Even with regard to revenge, although philosophically that shouldn't be a basis for punishment, personally if someone had hurt someone I loved I'd rather think of them spending a life doing hard labour than "escaping" into death. Then there is the possibility of using them as organ donors. Blood and some tissues are renewable resources, you could use condemned prisoners for that instead. I don't really think the argument for them being able to escape holds too much water as, if we were interested in implanting tracking devices etc we could make that impractical.

Basically, I think that there are better solutions all round than the death penalty. That is the easy option, not only for society, but also for the criminal.

 

You are thrashing about without a direction, desperately trying to defend your indefensible position.

 

Don't confuse impassioned with viciousness. They are not the same.

 

Your claim of the "Final Solution" being equated to cost of imprisonment versus execution is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Genocide against a race of people versus execution of convicted murders is not even a comparison. Please get real.

 

There is no way to make imprisonment free or self supporting. It is impossible to generate enough revenue from prison labor to support the institution. In order to do so in America, each convict would need to be able to produce a NET income of over $50,000 each per year just to possibly break even. This is not possible.

 

You have tremendous gaul claiming that the argument for the cost:benefit scenario is a "slippery slope" and then you amazingly suggest convicts as harvesting grounds for living organs!

 

Quit patting yourself on the back, you're going to hurt your arm. So far, you have not offered one single alternative to execution, let alone defended it's position.

 

Try again.

[hugo]

It cost very little to execute scum in the 50's. It is funny how the same fuckin' liberals who have caused the rise in the costs of executing a murderer now use the cost as a reason to eliminate the death penalty.

[Lethalfind]

I don't argue with fools lethalfind, it's pointless. Perhaps you might consider attacking the argument rather than the arguer.

 

If my opinion on the death penalty makes me a fool then there is alot of us. WE are tired of being preyed upon by people who don't deserve to suck air.

 

I notice you didn't offer any information as to whether your from the UK or a bleeding heart liberal...not a surprise.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If my opinion on the death penalty makes me a fool then there is alot of us. WE are tired of being preyed upon by people who don't deserve to suck air.

 

I notice you didn't offer any information as to whether your from the UK or a bleeding heart liberal...not a surprise.

 

The account says AUSTRALIA. Didn't you see it Lethalfind?

[Lethalfind]

The account says AUSTRALIA. Didn't you see it Lethalfind?

 

I wasn't paying attention but that does explain alot too me...

[snafu]

See there’s flaw in your plan psiklone. The lib’s won’t allow you to give the criminal hard time. Sounds good though for some crimes. They get three hots and a cot. They get to TV, books, games and other luxuries their victims usually don’t get anymore. I want a murder to die. I don’t care how or how painful it might be. I do care about the criminal’s family but that’s the breaks of the game. I care a lot more of the victim’s family. I would like people like Malvo and John Allen Muhammad the snipers killers to die!

[Lethalfind]

See there

[timo1023]

When it comes down to murderers, rapists, etc., I could care less about the treatment they receive. I just want those people locked away from society. In the end, since I will never meet the person in my life, all I care about is how much money they cost taxpayers.

 

Death is the only absolute and death is cheap.

 

Surprisingly, the death penalty process and the resulting legal processes cost more than locking the person away in jail for life. As much as I would love to hear that these criminals are dead, I would rather hear that I saved money.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

When it comes down to murderers, rapists, etc., I could care less about the treatment they receive. I just want those people locked away from society. In the end, since I will never meet the person in my life, all I care about is how much money they cost taxpayers.

 

Surprisingly, the death penalty process and the resulting legal processes cost more than locking the person away in jail for life. As much as I would love to hear that these criminals are dead, I would rather hear that I saved money.

 

Congratulations. You have fallen for the biggest lie in the history of our criminal justice system. Execution of criminals is not that expensive. Everybody involved in the process is paid their salaries regardless of what they are doing. If they are being utilized to further the execution of a criminal, then we are getting something for what we pay for.

 

However, as jails increase in population, new guards, and new jails must be constructed and paid for. This is an ongoing and continuing expense.

 

Dead convicts cost nothing to anybody anymore. Ever.

[RoyalOrleans]

Surprisingly, the death penalty process and the resulting legal processes cost more than locking the person away in jail for life. As much as I would love to hear that these criminals are dead, I would rather hear that I saved money.

 

The money you saved does not come back to you all of a sudden with an apology letter and a muffin basket. The money is routed back into the penal system.

 

Then we can contemplate the motherfucking ifs....

[ParasiteGod]

Amen sister...to add insult to injury the pathetic bastards cry when their fuckin TV and sandwichmaker is taken away.

Oh by the way, he got them back.

[timo1023]

Congratulations. You have fallen for the biggest lie in the history of our criminal justice system.

 

I have never heard this side of the argument before, and it seems interesting. Thanks for sharing. I believe you, but I also want to add that I was under the impression that the most expensive parts of the death penalty are all of the court hearings that must be conducted, not the cost of the actual death process itself.

[somersetcace1]

I wouldn't have a problem with the death penalty if it was "Guilty...period." However, it's not...it's "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt," and therin lies the problem. It's bad enough to have to release an innocent person from prison with an "I'm sorry, have a nice day," but you can't bring a dead person back to life.

 

The other problem is that it's more expensive to kill them than imprison them for life because of the appeals and so on. No, the death penalty has too many problems, even though the morality of killing a murderer isn't one of them.