The Death Penalty

[Lethalfind]

Oh what the heck... I'll play in this arena yet once again.

 

Jezzeeka:

 

Here is the bitter truth.

 

Imprisonment is a EXTREME BURDEN placed upon the law abiding. It's sole expense is borne by the very people whom the criminal has wronged.

 

Life imprisonment is the highest form of this EXTREME BURDEN being placed upon the law abiding members of society. It constitutes a lifetime of financial taxation and waste of resources placed squarely upon society in order to provide for a life of comfort, housing and food for a convicted criminal guilty of heinous acts against that same society.

 

SWIFT EXECUTION is the only FAIR method of justice which does not unnecessarily burden the innocent and law abiding society as a whole.

 

Personally, I find all the argument of rehabilitation to be a bunch of bunk. Prison rehabilitates NOBODY. Ever. It simply makes them tougher, more cunning, and more ruthless for the next wave of crime they will commit upon release.

 

Claims that a life sentence served in prison is punishment falls clearly into the realm of ridiculousness. Free clothes, shelter, food, even entertainment. Ludicrous!

 

SWIFT EXECUTION provides for justice and balance and removes any further burden of the criminal from law abiding society.

 

Lastly, the form of execution and the ongoing debate and legal challenges as to cruel and unusual punishment for this method or that is without a doubt the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in my life.

 

A high velocity bullet to the back of the head is swift and final and dirt cheap - and the only fair deal to the member of a law abiding soceity.

 

I don't get this argument about the death penalty being "cruel and unusual". How is putting someone to sleep with drugs cruel and unusual? I might be able to see some liberal cry babies hammering on about that IF we killed the people the same way they killed their victims but FAR be it for the US to have a punishment that REALLY does fit the crime.

 

I have a taste for blood when you parade in front of me some sadist who has tortured and maimed then murdered innocent people, (men, women or children). They don't deserve the regard I give an insect.

 

I have been reading that Texas is working on a way to fast track people to the death penalty...Say what you want about the great state of Texas but I love the way they think on this subject.

 

http://crimemagazine.com/deathrowvolunteers.htm

Have a read over this interesting article...can't vouch for its reliability but its interesting.

 

I resent every single dime spent on taking care of scum that don't deserve the air they breathe...if we can speed up the process then, shift into high gear and get it done...

[Chi]

Didn't read the entire post or all the jibber jabber, but I am all for the death penalty. Esp. for those who cannot reform, continue committing the same serious crimes time and time again even though they've already served previous jail time many times before, have receiving counseling, tried taking medication, etc. All the money that it takes to feed, clothe and even entertain repeat offenders who do more harm than good by being alive, can be put to much better use- such as the school systems and programs to help those who will make good use of it and truly improve their lives with.

[Jezzeeka]

Is that the best retort you have??

 

You must be really lost if thats all you can come up with.

 

Please enjoy your life holding hands with the dregs of society...make sure they don't know where you live or you too could end up their victim, or your wife, your child...then we'll see how you feel about putting people like that too death.

 

 

I'm not trying to argue so not it's not the best I have but I can't really be bothered to sit here digging up research and showing it to you people...

 

Also it would be kind of hard to kill my wife as I am about to get married to my future husband...

 

Better luck next time of trying to figure me out

[Lethalfind]

I'm not trying to argue so not it's not the best I have but I can't really be bothered to sit here digging up research and showing it to you people...

 

Also it would be kind of hard to kill my wife as I am about to get married to my future husband...

 

Better luck next time of trying to figure me out

 

If you aren't trying to argue and don't care to support your opinion with research (if you actually know how to use the internet it only takes a minute) THEN WHY START THIS THREAD?

 

I could give a flying fuck if your male or female...if you can't understand my point then I feel sorry for the man you have conned into marrying you.

 

How self absorbed are you that you think I'm trying to figure you out...another idiot to make us laugh.

[Quarky1.0]

In certain cases I think the death penalty is a must and I would support its introduction in Australia, but only under certain circumstances.

 

The circumstances I would support the death penalty would be in the case of a serial killers and people who have killed multiple times should be put to death. These people have shown an ongoing contempt for there fellow humans and should be put down.

 

However people who kill once and who either committed murder out of insanity, drugs abuse, or extenuating circumstances should not be put to death. Someone he kills once can be rehabilitated and regain society.

 

I would also only support the death penalty if there was DNA evidence to prove the link to the crime, a confession, witness and general forensic evidence can and has been manipulated in the past, only DNA gathered at the crime scene can bridge this gap.

 

I know the death penalty is a controversial topic at best, but going by some of the interviews of individuals like Ted Bundy and Ivan Milat (Milat is an Australia serial killer), they are and never will be rehabilitated. Before his death Bundy said, if they offered him life in prison he would tell the authorities where the rest were buried, they estimate Bundy could have killed over 500 women and there are report that Milat could be responsible for murders going back decade as well.

 

So in certain case I agree with the death penalty. But in others I am strongly apposed to its practice, in the USA the death penalty has not prevented murder from occurring and has thus failed to act as a deterrent. The sociopath had little or no care for his/her fellow humans and because of this lack of due care will and always will commit murder.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Gee Whiz...

 

I take the time to present an argument and viewpoint for Miss Jeezeka and she doesn't even have the common courtesy to offer a reply.

 

How rude.

 

Stuff like that always makes me wish to toss the individual into the idiot box for some indefinite time.

[Lethalfind]

Gee Whiz...

 

I take the time to present an argument and viewpoint for Miss Jeezeka and she doesn't even have the common courtesy to offer a reply.

 

How rude.

 

Stuff like that always makes me wish to toss the individual into the idiot box for some indefinite time.

 

I had this crazy idea that by posting a thread on a certain subject, that meant you wanted to argue or support your stance on that subject, evidently I was wrong...

I think she might not have been prepared for people to offer opposing opinions...again I thought that was the whole point of posting a thread. What a bore if you post a thread that everyone agrees with.

[TerroristHater]

What do you want a cookie or something? You'll have fun plugging away at our minds, cocksucker.

 

Ohh... and welcome to fucking GF, cunt.

 

 

 

Neither was it right for the person of abnormal state of mind to kill in the first fucking place. Some crimes deserve death, while others deserve a lifetime of reflection. Cold blooded murder, whether by a perfectly sane individual or a mental degenerate, should be answered with death.

 

If life is so goddamn fucking important to you, why would you hasten to the side of these murderous degenerates instead of to the side of the victim(s)' case?

 

 

 

Death is the only absolute and death is cheap.

 

When a murderous cocksucker is left alive and the family of the victim is long bereft of their justice, that is injustice.

 

 

 

Again, death is the only absolute. The price of a lethal injection has to be 1/1600000 of the cost of keeping the degenerate alive. And with my taxpayer dollar hard at work for Uncle Sam, I can't think of a better way.

 

To answer your little multiple choice...

 

A. Death sends a hard and clear message to all wrong-doers, nayerdowells, thugs, perverts, and degenerates. Those of stronger character and the ability to be civil to their fucking neighbors will know right from wrong.

 

B. Who is not innocent? Who is not guilty? Ever wished anyone dead? How about little Billy Mumphries who wanted to see your pretty pink panties on Easter fucking Sunday?

 

C. If a mental disorder is so bad and so degenerate that it sends these waterheads off in a kill-crazy rampage, then death is the only reward for their wetwork. This unfortunately, is where our early childhood education system fails in this country. If detected early on, then we could avoid needless bloodspill.

 

 

 

How in the fuck else are we supposed to take it? With a grain of salt that you then grind into our wounds? Personally, I am trying to lower my sodium intake.

 

 

 

 

God has nothing to do with Man's Freewill, but he is forgiving (I heartell). The justice system is a little more hard nosed and never forgets.

 

I think you need an enema.

 

 

 

Loud and clear.

 

 

 

Go fuck yourself.

 

 

In the case of terrorists, it's better to make them spend life in a place like Guantanimo Bay because they are made to suffer for their crimes while being denied martyrdom.

 

Let the fuckers spend life + 130 years in the hole!

 

[ParasiteGod]

Gee Whiz...

 

I take the time to present an argument and viewpoint for Miss Jeezeka and she doesn't even have the common courtesy to offer a reply.

 

How rude.

 

Stuff like that always makes me wish to toss the individual into the idiot box for some indefinite time.

 

In the old days, when a witch betrayed her coven, they'd kill her.

[jokersarewild]

In the old days, when a witch betrayed her coven, they'd kill her.

 

We should just burn her at the stake...much more exciting and smelly!

[ParasiteGod]

Well I didn't specify how to kill her...

 

But yeah the death penalty. I'm all for the death penalty, especially if the purpetrator in question is crazy, too crazy to know what's going on. If it doesn't bother him and it makes me feel better, Hell yes. And another thing, why should our tax dollars go to keeping some asshole alive when A) I probably don't know him and B) If he doesn't want to die he should have thought about that. And exactly how just is it to deny the grieving family their closure? How just is it when an innocent is dead and the guilty still breathes? Against the death penalty what the fuck is your problem?

[Lethalfind]

Well I didn't specify how to kill her...

 

But yeah the death penalty. I'm all for the death penalty, especially if the purpetrator in question is crazy, too crazy to know what's going on. If it doesn't bother him and it makes me feel better, Hell yes. And another thing, why should our tax dollars go to keeping some asshole alive when A) I probably don't know him and B) If he doesn't want to die he should have thought about that. And exactly how just is it to deny the grieving family their closure? How just is it when an innocent is dead and the guilty still breathes? Against the death penalty what the fuck is your problem?

 

Amen sister...to add insult to injury the pathetic bastards cry when their fuckin TV and sandwichmaker is taken away.

[psiklone]

Hello all, my first post here, so I'll dive into the deep end. I think there are some people who deserve to die for the crimes that they have committed, regardless of whether the crime is a result of mental disorder, childhood abuse, dna or whatever. They deserve to die purely because they are too dangerous to allow to continue living within our society.

However......

I also think that to put someone to death is damaging to the society that perpetrates it. Not just to the immediate family of the person put to death (they don't deserve the shame etc.) but to the wider community in terms of the law having that power and the philosophy that the law acts on our behalf.

And even more...

You can't give a reprieve to someone who has been executed.

And...

Studies done in the US have shown that juries are less likely to convict if there is a possibility of the death penalty being given. So, the likelihood of the perpetrator escaping the law is increased.

Solution......

Fucked if I know, but life imprisonment will do. Besides, there are some people who have committed crimes who I'd wish a long long life of boredom, irritation and bullshit, in jail.

[Lethalfind]

Hello all, my first post here, so I'll dive into the deep end. I think there are some people who deserve to die for the crimes that they have committed, regardless of whether the crime is a result of mental disorder, childhood abuse, dna or whatever. They deserve to die purely because they are too dangerous to allow to continue living within our society.

However......

I also think that to put someone to death is damaging to the society that perpetrates it. Not just to the immediate family of the person put to death (they don't deserve the shame etc.) but to the wider community in terms of the law having that power and the philosophy that the law acts on our behalf.

And even more...

You can't give a reprieve to someone who has been executed.

And...

Studies done in the US have shown that juries are less likely to convict if there is a possibility of the death penalty being given. So, the likelihood of the perpetrator escaping the law is increased.

Solution......

Fucked if I know, but life imprisonment will do. Besides, there are some people who have committed crimes who I'd wish a long long life of boredom, irritation and bullshit, in jail.

 

Well I certainly would'nt persume to speak for the entire of the US but I personally don't feel damaged that people like Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy were put too death. I feel a warm glow towards the state officials who took part in making it come to pass AS I am sure all these people's perpective victims do. They are dead, NO CHANCE of these same people doing it again.

 

As for life inprisonment...Ted Bundy scoffed at bars and was able to escape twice.

 

Does it make you feel better that the great state of California hasn't had the balls to give Charles Manson the punishment he so richly deserves and was actually sentenced to?

[hugo]

Does it make you feel better that the great state of California hasn't had the balls to give Charles Manson the punishment he so richly deserves and was actually sentenced to?

 

The US Supreme Court can be blamed for that.

[Lethalfind]

The US Supreme Court can be blamed for that.

 

I thought the state of California changed their laws to exclude the death penalty and his sentence was commuted, then once the death penalty was reinstated his sentence was not reinstated.

It doesn't matter who, it sucks. He is SO richly deserving.

[ParasiteGod]

Let me lead California for a year. It would become perfect.

People would be put to death left and right and marijuana would be legal.

[jokersarewild]

Let me lead California for a year. It would become perfect.

People would be put to death left and right and marijuana would be legal.

 

Could we kill them for mating?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Hello all, my first post here, so I'll dive into the deep end. I think there are some people who deserve to die for the crimes that they have committed, regardless of whether the crime is a result of mental disorder, childhood abuse, dna or whatever. They deserve to die purely because they are too dangerous to allow to continue living within our society.

However......

I also think that to put someone to death is damaging to the society that perpetrates it. Not just to the immediate family of the person put to death (they don't deserve the shame etc.) but to the wider community in terms of the law having that power and the philosophy that the law acts on our behalf.

And even more...

You can't give a reprieve to someone who has been executed.

And...

Studies done in the US have shown that juries are less likely to convict if there is a possibility of the death penalty being given. So, the likelihood of the perpetrator escaping the law is increased.

Solution......

Fucked if I know, but life imprisonment will do. Besides, there are some people who have committed crimes who I'd wish a long long life of boredom, irritation and bullshit, in jail.

 

Oh great...another crock of B.S. to read...Did you even read any of the posts before writing that dribble?

 

I do not feel diminished in ANY way by the execution of criminals. The majority of Americans don't even think about such things and couldn't care less. In addition, the majority of Americans, FAVOR the death penalty. It's only the whinning bleeding hearts of the soceity that act like cry babies defending the criminals and giving the finger to the victims.

 

EACH AND EVERY "Life" imprisonment is a cruel and unusual punishment on the law abiding tax payers of a society.

[psiklone]

The viciousness of some of the responses tend to prove my point regarding the impact on a society that perpetuates violence. Regardless, there are solutions that are better than the death penalty, just in terms of reversability. With regard to cost, I think that you put your feet on a very slippery slope when you say that it is cheaper to kill than to imprison. That argument was behind Hitler's "final solution" . But even then, there are ways to make imprisonment cost free. The south of your country was founded on slavery, why not make use of the labour offered by convicts. It worked for Australia. Even with regard to revenge, although philosophically that shouldn't be a basis for punishment, personally if someone had hurt someone I loved I'd rather think of them spending a life doing hard labour than "escaping" into death. Then there is the possibility of using them as organ donors. Blood and some tissues are renewable resources, you could use condemned prisoners for that instead. I don't really think the argument for them being able to escape holds too much water as, if we were interested in implanting tracking devices etc we could make that impractical.

Basically, I think that there are better solutions all round than the death penalty. That is the easy option, not only for society, but also for the criminal.

[ParasiteGod]

I'm not violent. I'm Karmic.

[atlantic]

Ted Bundy once escaped a courthouse and continued his killing spree, if he had been handled like Andre Chikatilo that wouldn't have happened.

[Lethalfind]

The viciousness of some of the responses tend to prove my point regarding the impact on a society that perpetuates violence. Regardless, there are solutions that are better than the death penalty, just in terms of reversability. With regard to cost, I think that you put your feet on a very slippery slope when you say that it is cheaper to kill than to imprison. That argument was behind Hitler's "final solution" . But even then, there are ways to make imprisonment cost free. The south of your country was founded on slavery, why not make use of the labour offered by convicts. It worked for Australia. Even with regard to revenge, although philosophically that shouldn't be a basis for punishment, personally if someone had hurt someone I loved I'd rather think of them spending a life doing hard labour than "escaping" into death. Then there is the possibility of using them as organ donors. Blood and some tissues are renewable resources, you could use condemned prisoners for that instead. I don't really think the argument for them being able to escape holds too much water as, if we were interested in implanting tracking devices etc we could make that impractical.

Basically, I think that there are better solutions all round than the death penalty. That is the easy option, not only for society, but also for the criminal.

 

Your either from the UK or a bleeding heart liberal...

You are clearly clueless in what you propose as alternatives...

[psiklone]

I don't argue with fools lethalfind, it's pointless. Perhaps you might consider attacking the argument rather than the arguer.

[RoyalOrleans]

I don't argue with fools lethalfind, it's pointless. Perhaps you might consider attacking the argument rather than the arguer.

 

Perhaps you should consider moving.