Does it piss you off when people drive and use a cellphone at the same time?

[Lethalfind]

However capable the hands of the person caring for the child, sometimes things happen...I want to be notified. I ran into a situation at my job, before I had a cell phone where the school called my boss and she purposely didn't pass on the information to me because I was on the phone, she put the call center in front of my daughter's safety. The school called to tell me that a fire was getting close to my daughters school and they were removing them as quickly as posible. Then my 80 year old Mother called, she was staying with me, she had no car to go and get my daughter and had gotten a call from the school and was frantic. As I said, my boss delayed some 30 minutes telling me this information because I was in the que...I almost killed her when I found out, I told her that job would NEVER be more important then my daughter and I left to get my daughter at her school. The buses that were normally at my daughters school were being used to evacuate another school that was even closer to the fire then my daughters.

 

I can use the phone to make sure I have contact with my daughter and talk to other people as well, as I said, I have caller id that beeps in when I am on the phone, I have a panel on the OUTSIDE of the phone that I can see the name of the person calling without picking the phone up AND as I said I don't have to dial numbers, they are on voice response. All I have to do it touch a button on the outside of the phone and say the name of the person I am calling. Naturally I don't initiate something like that when my attention should be on the road.

 

I am pretty sure that even down here in Florida that people would have been shooting me the bird left and right if my driving were bad. I also have never gotten a ticket for anything like that so that makes me feel pretty sure that my driving is pretty good.

 

You don't think a screaming baby, maybe having dropped their bottle or wriggling out of their baby seat can be distracting? Never mind people who have pets in their car unrestrained, thats an accident waiting to happen right there.

 

I don't think your inferior in general, I think I',m better at multi tasking then you are. I am also more open minded in that I see its posible that some people can drive and talk on a cell phone without causing a problem and clearly some people can't. Your the one with the RIGID idea that NO ONE should EVER drive talking on a cell phone even if they use an ear peice...thats just unreasonable. If the lawmakers of my state agreed they would have made the law already.

 

Just because you CHOOSE NOT to use your cell phone in the car or only EVER use it in Emergancies does not the rest of the world will follow your lead, why would we? I often use my cell phone when my daughter and I are out, she calls members of our family and tells them what we are doing AND often sends them pictures (we both have picture phones as well as members of our family) of the beach, or a sand dollar she has picked up etc. Cell phones are for alot more then just Emergancies. Its pretty narrow of you to think that aren't.

 

As for me feeling controlled...NOT. You are a very controlling person, that comes across in what you say and in your general approach too life assuming the opinions you express on here are genuine, thats pretty consistent with the perfectionist personality you clearly have. The world would be an awful place if we were all alike...having said that I will continue to talk on my cell phone in the car and if you and your kind don't like it, you better stay off the road...No one makes me feel controlled, grew up in that environment and it just doesn't work on me anymore.

 

I don't wish to change or control your opinion about your own actions...however I think your feeling that EVERYONE has to do what you say is unreasonable. My comments about being more talented were tongue and cheek, you brissle like a wet cat...who is being the child? However if there was a way to test what we are discussing, I think I would probably win. I have never been in an accident that I caused...I have never driven drunk or anything close, I have never gotten a ticket or driving recklessly, I have been quilty of speeding but I have not gotten a ticket for more then 4 years. I have been driving for 24 years, I started with a learners permit at 15. I can comfortably drive in places like Dallas, Boston, Atlanta...all those places where you hear its SO terrible to drive. I have driven through Atlanta at rush hour, pulling the largest U-haul trailor they have with no problems or concerns on my part. As a 21 year old I drove straight through from Boston to Dallas with only a couple hours sleep on the side of the road. More recently I pulled a trailor from Dallas to Orlando, stopping once for the night. I have'nt found the vehicle I can't drive, everything from my Fathers Kabota tractor (with or without the implements) to my Fathers Peterbilt cab over (although I never got a license to drive the Peterbilt) down to normal cars, stick shifts to automatics.

 

Do you also think that truckers shouldn't be allowed to talk on the CB? I can do that as well, either in a normal truck or in the Peterbilt Cabover, that bad boy had 15 gears, way too much fun...I haven't driven a long nose truck, I hear the ride is more comfortable because the cab isn't sitting over the wheels...

 

I am clearly alot more relaxed behind the wheel then you are.

[ToriAllen]

However capable the hands

[skategreen]

I've always heard the old saw about how women's cycles start to coincide when they live together.

 

I never knew it could happen by being on the same chat board.

[Lethalfind]

I have no doubt that the school would not have left her there to burn, that was not the point. I was unable to get information about my daughter in a timely manner, its not only my right to but my responsibility to make sure I get this information. The school was doing the best they could do, it was their inability to contact me directly that was the problem, and they were unable to because I was working in a call center and was not allowed to take direct calls. The cell phone corrected that.

 

Given what your saying about the usage of cell phones then surely you must also object to people using CBs in a car or truck as well. At least with a cell phone you can just talk, with a CB you have to key up the mic to talk and then let it go to let the other person talk, then of course sometimes you are switching channels etc...

 

I don't think your trying to control ME in particular, I think you feel you have THE answer on this topic and you think everyone should do what you say...not me in particular.

 

You have to know that the more experience a driver is, the more likely they are to be able to handle unusual circumstances in general. I would NEVER think it a good idea for my daughter to be talking on the cell phone right after she got her license because of her inexperience in driving. Over time I think drivers CAN learn to do things like talk on a cell phone or deal with an unruly child better then a new driver.

 

When I mention driving other types of vehicles, let me clarify. While driving a Peterbilt, I was also able to use the CB, I only ever pulled a trailor once and it was an empty referigerator unit and I didn't have to back it up. I have never driven the truck or the truck and trailor in icey conditions. When your driving a car down the road that is all you have to pay attention to, if your driving something like a Peterbilt (its bigger then your used to, their are MORE gages to pay attention to for example) or a reg truck with a trailor there is more to pay attention to, just like driving a regular car and talking on a cell phone. Its about experience. There are definetly people who should do neither but there are people who can handle it.

 

I would love to hear ANYONE try and convince the truckers out there that they shouldn't be talking on the CB while their driving...Its MORE distracting then talking on a cell phone in my opinion.

 

The fact that you can't take a few jokes and refer to it being "childish" and referring to me trying to spin it...just illustrates my point, your rigid and HAVE to believe you have the last word on a topic.

 

Some people shouldn't talk on a cell phone while driving because they are not able to pay adequate attention to the more important task of driving BUT not everyone is like that so why should EVERYONE be punished and have to live by the restrictions that fit people of lessor experience with driving.

 

When I was a teenager (back when people lived in caves) you could get a hardship license at 15, you had to show that there was no one to drive you too school or work. This license acknowledged the need might be there but with the caveat that the less experienced driver was not allowed to drive after dark AND was not allowed to drive anywhere else but to work and school. Of course once the person had more experience they were allowed a full license. Everyone is different.

[ToriAllen]

I have no doubt that the school would not have left her there to burn

[atlantic]

Next time she starts filing her nails you need to grab her nailfile and throw it out the fucking window.

 

You know, that's a good idea, thanks!

[Lethalfind]

Any mother would be mad at their boss for doing that, but I do think you are a bit of a drama queen. This really has nothing to do with using the cell phone and driving. You were not in the car when this incident occurred.

 

 

This thread is about cell phones, not CB

[Lethalfind]

I've always heard the old saw about how women's cycles start to coincide when they live together.

 

I never knew it could happen by being on the same chat board.

 

OH, look she can post an opposing view to someone...

[hugo]

Just because some dumbasses can't handle their liquor does not mean I should not have the right to drink and drive.

[ToriAllen]

You are the one who said you didn't believe I got a cell phone to make sure I was always reachable if anything came up about my daughter.("What percentage of the time do you use the phone because of emergencies involving your daughter as opposed to other types of phone calls? Nice try, but I

[ToriAllen]

I've always heard the old saw about how women's cycles start to coincide when they live together.

 

I never knew it could happen by being on the same chat board.

That was kind-of Bitchy. I guess your cycle matched up as well.

[snafu]

This is problem has only been around what five years? CBer

[RoyalOrleans]

Just because some dumbasses can't handle their liquor does not mean I should not have the right to drink and drive.

 

Why are there so many laws that protect us from ourselves? Seatbelt laws, helmet laws, etc, etc... If I want to go 120 MPH on my bike sans helmet, that should be my motherfucking prerogitive. If I injure someone else because of my haphazard manner, then I'll have to live with the guilt.

[ToriAllen]

I guess what Tori wants is for the Government to step in a baby sit us some more.

I would rather people be intelligent enough, and courteous enough, to not need a babysitter.

I have a cell phone. I use it when I drive. I think I can do both at the same time. I don

[Lethalfind]

http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insurance/cellphones/

 

This was the first article I ran across on this subject

 

Insurance Information Institute.

 

"A study released in April 2006 found that almost 80 percent of crashes and 65 percent of near-crashes involved some form of driver inattention within three seconds of the event. The study, The 100-Car Naturalistic Driving Study, conducted by the Virginia Tech Transportation Institute and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), breaks new ground. (Earlier research found that driver inattention was responsible for 25 to 30 percent of crashes.) The new study found that the most common distraction is the use of cell phones, followed by drowsiness. However, cell-phone use is far less likely to be the cause of a crash or near-miss than other distractions, according to the study. For example, while reaching for a moving object such as a falling cup increased the risk of a crash or near-crash by 9 times, talking or listening on a hand-held cell phone only increased the risk by 1.3 times. The study tracked the behavior of the 241 drivers of 100 vehicles for more than one year. The drivers were involved in 82 crashes, 761 near crashes and 8,295 critical incidents."

 

These findings confirm an August 2003 report from the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety that concluded that drivers are far less distracted by their cell phones than by other common activities, such as reaching for items on the seat or glove compartment or talking to passengers. That study was based on the analysis of videotapes from cameras installed in the vehicles of 70 drivers in North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

 

This article goes on to say that while cell phones are a distraction, they give stats about accidents that were caused by distraction, it doesn't say that hand held cell phones are the leading cause. Dealing with unruly children is higher on the list then cell phones. While I haven't found the information yet about what states laws say what, all the ones mentioned in this article say the ban is on hand held cell phones, NOT on using a cell phone with an earpeice.

 

http://www.cellular-news.com/car_bans/

 

This site has a list of countries and the states, it says that 4 out of 50 have bans but does not go into if the states bans their use altogether or just without the use of a headset.

 

Harvard has even gotten involved

 

"The study notes that the cost of banning cell phone use while driving is about $700,000 for each quality-adjusted life year saved. That is 30 times more expensive than achieving the same public health benefit with driver airbags, and ten times more expensive than achieving that benefit by keeping the speed limit on interstate highways at 55 instead of 65 MPH."

 

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/pdf/cellphones.pdf

[Lethalfind]

I never said that isn’t why you got it. I said that isn’t what you use it for, and obviously, I’m right.

 

 

What did you not understand about…

 

 

I thought you didn’t get the cell phone until after that incident.

 

 

There seems to be something missing in that sentence. I’m not sure what it is you were trying to say…I don’t think your daughters safety was an issue. The school would not have left her there. Once again, you are over dramatizing.

 

 

Do you even read what I write before you respond…

 

 

Bull shit. If you didn’t want me to follow your opinion, then you wouldn’t be arguing it. I’m not talking about a personal choice. I am talking about what is and is not safe. It is not about how you choose to live your life; there is the drama queen again. It is about using a phone in the car. Don’t try to turn this into some personal rights speech. I have a personal right to not be run off the road by some idiot on a cell phone.

 

 

When did I say that? I said that distraction is no less dangerous when you are experienced that when you are not. I have not seen any kind of evidence to indicate distraction being higher in non-experienced or experienced drivers. I really hate repeating myself…

 

 

No. I think you keep trying to diverge from the point of the thread because you have no basis other than ‘I’m a good driver and can multitask.’ Take a look at the poll results. Obviously, I’m not alone in how I feel.

Let me rewind for a minute….

 

You felt it was a distraction in this post. You say that you can’t talk on the phone when there is a lot of traffic or when you have to be aware of other cars while making turns. My point is that whether you are making turns or not, you should be fully aware of other cars and what is going on around you. If it is distracting in heavy traffic or when making turns it is no less distracting on a straight road with little traffic.

 

Your funny, I don't expect you too change your ways AND in fact I hope you don't. You don't feel comfortable talking on a cell phone while driving, it would be better if you didn't. Where I think your wrong is your inability to admit that not everyone is wired the same way you are.

 

As for the incident with the fire and my daughters school, I mispoke. I had the cell phone but was paying attention to my boss and didn't have it on as was their direction at work. After this encounter with my boss's judgement, I decided to leave my cell phone on vibrate ALL the time in spite of the threats of being fired. I was concerned about her being upset and her safety. Ultimately I am responsible for her and I apparently take that responsibility more seriously then you do. We are talking about a school who LOST my daughter one afternoon, they realized that she and a friend (they have a buddy system when they go to the bathroom) had been gone for a long time and they were unable to find them. One would think they would pay more attention to Kindergartners...I haven't had alot of trust for them since then. Another example...when I called the school to find out what was going on before I left work the day of the fire, the person was hysterical shouting over the phone to my request for information, she was literally on the edge of hyperventilating and eventually hung up on me and I was left kind of confused about what was going on. I was not upset at that point because I figured my Mother was over reacting and that I wasn't getting the full story from my boss either who had been the one who spoke with the school when they called. I only found out the complete story when I was in the car (talking on my cell phone to my Mother) and listening to the radio, the news was talking about the incident AND when I got closer I saw the news helicopters hovering which is always an indication that something is going on.

 

As intelligent as you might be, your not qualified to make such a blanket statement. All I can say is that I feel at ease under SOME circumstances talking on a cell phone. Its presumptious in the extreme for you to think you have the correct answer for everyone. Especially when research by people who are qualified does not back you up. IN MY OPINION, this goes to your NEED to be right.

 

This is really more about your annoyance at people doing something you feel you can't do safely.

 

I guess you all better stay off the road here in Florida, I not only have a cell phone and use it in the car, I OFTEN use a remote control to change songs on my stereo...I'm just asking for an accident but I have to find a way to live on the edge...

[builder]

Research shows;

 

 

Driving While on Cell Phone Worse Than Driving While Drunk

 

And researchers found no difference between hand-held or hands-free models

 

 

And just as I suspected;

 

His team's report appears in the summer issue of the journal Human Factors.

 

In the study, 40 people followed a pace car along a prescribed course, using a driving simulator. Some people drove while talking on a cell phone, others navigated while drunk (meaning their blood-alcohol limit matched the legal limit of 0.08 percent), and others drove with no such distractions or impairments.

 

"We found an increased accident rate when people were conversing on the cell phone," Drews said. Drivers on cell phones were 5.36 times more likely to get in an accident than non-distracted drivers, the researchers found.

 

The phone users fared even worse than the inebriated, the Utah team found.

[snafu]

Research shows;

 

 

 

 

 

And just as I suspected;

 

(meaning their blood-alcohol limit matched the legal limit of 0.08 percent)

See this is a stupid study. That's the legal limit for a drunk driver. 0.08 isn't even close to being drunk. That's less than one beer. Drunk driving is more than two in my book. How many people only drink half a beer? Give me a break!

[builder]

(meaning their blood-alcohol limit matched the legal limit of 0.08 percent)

See this is a stupid study. That's the legal limit for a drunk driver. 0.08 isn't even close to being drunk. That's I think less than one beer. Drunk driving is more than two in my book. How many people only drink half a beer? Give me a break!

 

Did you read it snafu? You're getting more reactionary than LF. It said that phone users had worse results than those with a BAC of 0.08. Now one stubby of full strength beer gets me to 0.02, so that would be four stubbies, or about ten cans of Budweiser.

[jokersarewild]

Did you read it snafu? You're getting more reactionary than LF. It said that phone users had worse results than those with a BAC of 0.08. Now one stubby of full strength beer gets me to 0.02, so that would be four stubbies, or about ten cans of Budweiser.

Snafu does have a point. That's nowhere near drunk for most people.

 

You can have a BAC of .08 because that's about the point when you can drive the car without being super impared.

 

This study is bull because: You can drive fairly unimpared at .08. That's why they let you on the road. Now, if they were plastered, this study would BE SO MUCH DIFFERENT. They are measuring from "legally drunk", which you should know is way different from when a human being actually reaches "drunk".

 

He said there was a difference between the behaviors of drunk drivers and those who were talking on the phone. Drunk drivers tended to be aggressive, while those talking on the phone were more sluggish, Drews said.

 

BULLSHIT! Wanna know why drunk drivers tend to walk away from more accidents then their victems do??? It's because they are relaxed and sluggish! Drunk drivers aren't aggressive! Builder, next time actually read over and critically analyze something before you post, don't just post it because it agrees with you.

 

The phone users fared even worse than the inebriated' date=' the Utah team found. There were three accidents among those talking on cell phones -- all of them involving a rear-ending of the pace car. In contrast, there were no accidents recorded among participants who were drunk, or the sober, cell-phone-free group.[/quote']

 

First of all, they use "In contrast", which means they're hiding something. Second, I'm not going to believe for one second that drunk drivers don't cause accidents. Oh, wait! .08 BAC is NOT DRUNK FOR A NORMAL HUMAN!!!

 

Pretty much everything after that is talking about how places have outlawed it, drivers are perceptive, blah blah blah.

 

Builder, this study proves that people can get money for anything, then fabricate results that don't mean a damn thing.

[hugo]

The solution is to allow individuals to do whatever they wish while driving...providing they are not driving recklessly/ I saw some gal painting her toenails while driving the other day. Do we need a law against that also?

[jokersarewild]

The solution is to allow individuals to do whatever they wish while driving...providing they are not driving recklessly/ I saw some gal painting her toenails while driving the other day. Do we need a law against that also?

 

That ones kinda bad...

[ToriAllen]

Your funny, I don't expect you too change your ways AND in fact I hope you don't. You don't feel comfortable talking on a cell phone while driving, it would be better if you didn't. Where I think your wrong is your inability to admit that not everyone is wired the same way you are.

I don

[Lethalfind]

While the Utah study was interesting what Builder quoted was very one sided. There is alot more information out there. From what I read in the Harvard study (I would trust the Harvard people alot quicker then I would the people from Utah) its far from a clear cut issue.

I think its interesting that only 4 out of 50 states agree with you Tori.

[Lethalfind]

This is problem has only been around what five years? CBer