Marijuana caused suicide ???

[hobotastic_x]

I totally agree. Maybe he started smokin it because he was depressed. It's a vicious circle. But people don't look closely enough into the situation.

[Jhony5]

Posted by MRIH:

Nazz is a good guy, he just played "devil's advocate" to get some

shit started... good job Nazz!

 

Ohhhh, I see. I thought his response lacked conviction. I can appreciate the other side of things.

 

Posted by:Lilmizztemper

yeah alcoholics are often violent and deadly....but tokers are just the same as well...the only reason ya dont hear about many tragic deaths due to marijuanna is because of the fact that it is NOT legal like alcohol...

 

Driving under the influence of any controlled substance is not a good idea. Some folks are just retarded, can't help that. That being said, theres a reason why police don't do field sobriety tests on suspected pot smokers. Because they pass it, ALWAYS. It does not affect the body in the same way. I heard a statistic once from one of those anti-marijuana ads on T.V. that claimed some high percentage (not sure of the exact number) of people that were involved in traffic accidents tested positive for marijuana. Heres the problem with skewed information like that. First off, pot stays in your system for up to 4 weeks, thusly just because you smoked a joint 2 or 3 weeks ago and get rear ended by some starbucks cranked soccer mom, does not point the cause towards marijuana. That there is the best that the anti-legalization crowd can offer. I imagine I could come up with my own statistics, like how many people have caused deadly accidents while trying to eat their fast food. Or as MRIH stated so well, "how many child molesters drink milk".

 

Youd prolly be a lil disturbed seein a little 6 year old girl lying dead under her daddies car

 

Yes I would.

 

while hes freakin out cuz he cant find the bag of weed that was tossed into the back when he rolled his car...

 

Either you made that shit up, or that guy has issues that go way beyond marijuana dependency. Weed DOES NOT cause phsyical dependency, rather a psychological dependency. Theres a HUGE difference. One might feel that they "need" marijuana, however their bodies will not shake and stutter, their stomachs will not turn, sweat will not poor from their glands. The human body will not cry out for marijuana when suddenly deprived of it. Many studies have attempted to show this, but have failed. If you can come up with one fuckin case, article, or study that dissproves what i'm claiming, please do. My issue with the above is this. Marjuana is the only illicit controlled substance that does not cause physical dependency. Even among legal drugs like alcohol or prescription pain killers, you find a stunning and easily recognizable physical dependence.

 

And BTW Lilmizz, i'm 34 years young and have smoked pot for almost 20 years. Never been arrested for anything whatsoever. I hold down, and always have, a full time job. Never had an accident of any sort. Personal responsibility has everything to do with it. If I didn't have pot, I would most likely be amoung the throngs of chemicaly sedated prozac zombies.

[Jhony5]

Smart stuff there Nazz.

 

My issue with the criminalization of drugs is this. If someone wants to get high, they will. When I was 16 years old I could get any drug out there. I could comparrison shop for the best stuff at the best price. If I was a jackass junkie and I had the cash at 16yrs, I could have come home with an eight ball of cola, a 10 strip of acid, quaterpound of weed, whatever. BUT, This is what I find striking, I very rarely ever got the chance to score alcohol. Almost never. Why? Because its legal. Its federaly mandated and controls are put into place to prevent me from aquiring it. Its so ironic in a way. There we were driving around smoking illegal drugs at 16-17 years old, looking for someone that would go into a liqour stor and purchase alcohol from the shopkeep. Very rarely did we get our beer/liqour. Drugs aren't going away. The war on drugs has lasted longer then any other war America has ever fought. At what point does one admit defeat, take their head out of the sand and deal with it? Passing more outrageous laws and prison sentances has done nothing to deal with it.

[lilmizztemper]

Smart stuff there Nazz.

 

My issue with the criminalization of drugs is this. If someone wants to get high, they will. When I was 16 years old I could get any drug out there. I could comparrison shop for the best stuff at the best price. If I was a jackass junkie and I had the cash at 16yrs, I could have come home with an eight ball of cola, a 10 strip of acid, quaterpound of weed, whatever. BUT, This is what I find striking, I very rarely ever got the chance to score alcohol. Almost never. Why? Because its legal. Its federaly mandated and controls are put into place to prevent me from aquiring it. Its so ironic in a way. There we were driving around smoking illegal drugs at 16-17 years old, looking for someone that would go into a liqour stor and purchase alcohol from the shopkeep. Very rarely did we get our beer/liqour. Drugs aren't going away. The war on drugs has lasted longer then any other war America has ever fought. At what point does one admit defeat, take their head out of the sand and deal with it? Passing more outrageous laws and prison sentances has done nothing to deal with it.

 

well HOT DAMN!!! okay so yeah thanks for that...I guess that is an agreeable statement, if one thinks about it sure...if it were legal, then would be sold in stores er shit like that, and less likely to get it, not just some ol crazy dude growin it in his garage.

[lilmizztemper]

Either you made that shit up, or that guy has issues that go way beyond marijuana dependency. Weed DOES NOT cause phsyical dependency, rather a psychological dependency. Theres a HUGE difference. One might feel that they "need" marijuana, however their bodies will not shake and stutter, their stomachs will not turn, sweat will not poor from their glands. The human body will not cry out for marijuana when suddenly deprived of it. Many studies have attempted to show this, but have failed. If you can come up with one fuckin case, article, or study that dissproves what i'm claiming, please do. My issue with the above is this. Marjuana is the only illicit controlled substance that does not cause physical dependency. Even among legal drugs like alcohol or prescription pain killers, you find a stunning and easily recognizable physical dependence.

 

I didnt mean he was freakin out cuz he was deprived and needed a hit. The asshole was more concearned about ditching the shit so he didnt get in trouble, and didnt even know OR ASK about the wellfare of his daughter!!! No he DIDNT mention the weed to any of us, but we suree had a hell of a time keeping him still...was wantin us to leave him alone, and kept looking and searching for something that had already been bagged as evidence...needless to say, he was unhurt...got arrested and made bail...then went right back to the scene. When it hit him what he did, the man broke down and Im sure that will weigh on his concious for the rest of his life. He eventually DID get convicted of a few charges, but in the eyes of us who saw his actions that day...he was not convicted enough!!!

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

I didnt mean he was freakin out cuz he was deprived and needed a hit. The asshole was more concearned about ditching the shit so he didnt get in trouble, and didnt even know OR ASK about the wellfare of his daughter!!! No he DIDNT mention the weed to any of us, but we suree had a hell of a time keeping him still...was wantin us to leave him alone, and kept looking and searching for something that had already been bagged as evidence...needless to say, he was unhurt...got arrested and made bail...then went right back to the scene. When it hit him what he did, the man broke down and Im sure that will weigh on his concious for the rest of his life. He eventually DID get convicted of a few charges, but in the eyes of us who saw his actions that day...he was not convicted enough!!!

Jhony5 already told you the deal with this guy.. His problem was not Marijuana his problem was he was an Asshole... There are way too many assholes in the world, no doubt, but you can't just go around picking and choosing comonalties in the assholes to blame something for their behavior. For example, was he black? Does that mean all black people are assholes? Was he wearing shoes? Does that mean shoes are causing this behavior, The same question applies to marijuana. You know that shoes don't cause this behavior because you yourself (probably) wear shoes are not an asshole, well, I smoke tons of pot and am not an asshole...

 

In the statistical analysis world this logic is called "cause and effect". It is the part of statistics that do all of the lying that you hear about so frequently. For example, a tribe of primitives go out and dance around the old dead tree after the snow begins to melt in spring. Two weeks later, the dead tree comes back to life! Wow, the dancing must have resurected the tree! NOT...

 

The same stats are applied to that stupid study Jhony5 pointed out about the people testing positive for marijuana having marijuana in their blood... No one can extrapolate a "cause and effect" by those statistics alone, They're meaningless... You have no idea the percentage of people that test positive for marijuana that drive and DON'T get into accidents. Do you see why?

 

But, if I step outside myself, look at it on a macro level instead of a micro level, look at it from the point of view of a law maker who has a larger responsibility to society then things appear very different, there are all kinds of connecting issues that go along with legalizing drugs, social issues, long term health care issues, financial issues etc… in that light I cannot support the legalization of drugs, it would lead to too many long term issues that would have a draining and negative impact on society in the long run…

taking any freedom that may adverserly effect the social strata is dangerous. You'd have to outlaw mountain climbing because people get lost and tax dollars and resources are spent searching for them and the activity does not help society. You'd have to outlaw splunking, skydiving, football, and even baseball because of the negative impact these activities have on society!

[lilmizztemper]

okay so let me clarify...all I was just trying to state in the previous posts is that marijuanna can be a dangerous drug...just as alcohol...it does impair ones judgement...yes I know it does..hell I have smoked it before. It is a mind altering substance whether youd like to admit it or not. And no I dont think all tokers are assholes...I have met some very nice people who smoke pot, but there IS a huge majority who can be totally DUMB and ignorant while using. No one may not become physically dependant on it but as pointed out earlier...there can be emotional dependancy...and no treatment??? Well I think without treatment would be a hell ofa lot harder to kick that. For instance...I am emotionally attached to my children...if someone were to take them from me, well it could definately put thoughts of suicide in my head...not that I would act on it, but just a comparison...and really there ARE people out there who will choose to continue using weed...alcohol....coke....speed etc...even when there is a threat of loosing their children...called simply dont give a shit bout nuthin anymore. I really dont know you all and so I cannot judge you...I am just stating things from my point of view and thru the experiences that I have had. No you all arent losers and Im sorry if thats what I have portrayed. I just disagree with ya'll and theres nothing wrong there...we cant agree on everything can we?? lol

[Jhony5]

I understand what your saying there lilmizz. After all, I don't smoke pot to make myself sharp as a razor. I have to maintain my edge throughout the day, whether at work or with my child. I smoke pot to dumb myself up a little at the end of the day. No different then a fella that enjoys knocking back a few glasses of brandy at night. The difference is, I know I'm dopey and slow when I poke smot,er....I mean when I smoke pot. People whom drink often think the opposite, despite their slurred speech and staggering about.

 

This all harkens back to my earlier point that ANYTHING is harmful if over-consumed. I used to smoke pot all day everyday when I was younger. And ya it made me act like a dope. Ask me to get a pencil for ya and I'd take about ten steps, stop, and turn around to ask what the hell I was getting. I won't argue the point that continuous use does make you an idiot. But in no way do I blame the weed for my state of mind then. I wasn't addicted, I was a dumbass for overdoing it and I new god damn good and well at the time.

 

It flat out disgusts me that I can be locked in a cage and striped of my freedom for the sake of a plant that makes you giggle. As they say, the worst side effect of smoking weed, is jail time. I'm sick of the continuous loop of the legalization issue always ending up with "the children". What about the children they say. Well shit, if we held all substances, objects, and activities to that standard the world would be as dull as a nuns panties.

[lilmizztemper]

NUNS WEAR PANTIES??? Do you know this for a fact????????

 

I always thort they wore chastity belts

[manicmonday]

NUNS WEAR PANTIES??? Do you know this for a fact????????

 

I always thort they wore chastity belts

 

 

They take off their panties when smoking with the pope.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

LilMIzzTemper,

 

I will concede that smoking weed is not good for you, but the point that I'm trying to make (and Jhony5 as well) is that we believe we have the God-given right to be a stupid as we want to. Some people are born that way and others become that way by "Alternative Chemistry", at any rate it's not the governement's fucking business how high or stupid I or anyone else gets!

 

As far as nun's panties go... I'd like to take a sniff

[lilmizztemper]

LMAO well if I hear of a panty raid at the convent then I will know who to point a finger at...and hell yer right the government doesnt need to be tellin people how to live, but Im just sayin that well like the post started out...that marijuanna could have been part of the young mans problem and why he killed himself...NOT THAT it WAS the reason, I have no way of knowing, just thought I would put my two cents in and then some LOL. Boy you pot smokers sure drag shit out... j/k

[Jhony5]

Boy you pot smokers sure drag shit out... j/k

 

No one talks shit about my precious!!! Precious mary..........ohhh so precious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

God why cant I find any fucking god damn pot. SHIT SHIT SHIT. Bitch ill cut your throat if you don't hook me up now god dammit!! FUCKING NOW. I feel sick...dizzy. WHY ??

 

 

 

There we go, now I've made a hypocrite out of myself. You were right all along sweetheart.

[lilmizztemper]

God why cant I find any fucking god damn pot. SHIT SHIT SHIT. Bitch ill cut your throat if you don't hook me up now god dammit!! FUCKING NOW. I feel sick...dizzy. WHY ??

 

need I say more????

[snafu]

Like a few here have stated Pot dose not have a physical dependency. Pot is a plant that anybody can grow given the right lights and nutrients. It is legal in some states such as Alaska. I have friends that grow their own and I don't see anything wrong with that. I can smoke all day and not have the same affects as if I drank all day. I can just be bummed out that I have no pot but I can have shakes and withdrawals without alcohol. It's a bass ackwards society when alcohol is legal and pot is not in most states. I think the big reason why most states won't legalize it is because companies can't make the same money as they do with alcohol. Not to mention the bad propaganda that's out there.

Does anybody really think that Marijuana can cause someone to commit suicide? I don't think so. Someone that's that depressed to kill themselves don't need pot to convince them.

[lilmizztemper]

WOW ya'll dont get it...cuz yer shoes er on yer feet not mine...but thats okay I guess I cant argue with a pot smoker lol never could in the past....shit after this Ima gonna go find ME a joint and smoke it...but then DSS would go and take my kids from me!!!! EGADS

[phreakwars]

LMT, I see where you are coming from. But there is something you are not understanding here..

 

Marijuana is an EXCAPE drug. People use it to relieve stress and anxiety. It's a recreational drug, not addicting, but not mood altering either.

 

Getting back on topic to the guy who is now allegedly dead because of weed....

 

If what this guy claims is true, where is the proof that marijuana was the chemical that caused him to turn suicidal ?? In the 9,000+ documented years of it's use... where is there even 1 suicide ?? MUCH LESS A SUICIDE WHERE MARIJUANA WAS NOT IN THE SYSTEM TO CAUSE A EUPHORIC STATE !!

 

The reason this point is ALSO relevant to you, is I think maybe your husband had his own personal issues that he was afraid to face in life, and this made him an asshole to himself. He probably used marijuana to excape regret, or failure ....

 

After all, it's better to space shit off then worry about shit that did or might happen...

 

A Utopian peace from THC is better then death to most casual users. I couldn't imagine 1-up'ing the effects of THC by killing one self... That would be counter productive unless you knew for a certain fact that GOD also smokes weed....

 

So basically, what I am trying to say, is the guy who hung himself or whatever the fuck it was, probably used Marijuana to escape the depressing thoughts that he had in his head anyway that would compel him to take his own life...

 

Much like your husband, who I can only guess by the information you have given...

 

You CAN however put SOME blame on POT...

 

By continually using it to excape your own responsibility's, you start becoming a piece of shit. And usually take out your worthlessness on others around you..

 

It's not that it can destroy your life, but it can put it on hold.

 

Hell, I can name a ton of DISADVANTAGES OF SMOKING POT..

 

Laziness

uh... O.K. so I can name 1 and only 1..

 

But let's first break down the definition of LAZY first

 

LAZINESS

n 1: inactivity resulting from a dislike of work [syn: indolence] 2: apathy and inactivity in the practice of virtue (personified as one of the deadly sins) [syn: sloth, acedia]

Paying close attention to the 2nd definition, VIRTUE !!

 

Which is where your husband fits in..

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[lilmizztemper]

well thank you!!! yeah that makes total sense to me...I know that some on here may not get where Im coming from, but they havent lived the hell from it...pot became the most imporrtant thing in my ex'es life and when I made him stop growing (so we didnt loose the kids) he would yell at me and tell me he hated me for taking the things he loved so much in life. But eventually he would start growing again...and then he finally got this great idea that he would just be a medical caregiver...and then snip off some buds for himself!!! that was TOTALLY takin advantage of the Colorado Medicinal MJ laws...he figured that law was put into place so that he could benefit...well I guess we did benefit when he was smokin at least he was half way tolerable. He would totally defend pot in EVERY way shape and form...and make excuses for forgetting things like birthdays and going to go find a job!!! I hated the shit and Im sorry if I offended anyone but ya'll havent been there on my end of the lookin glass...its GOD DAMN scary shit to see a person ya once loved change into a different person every day and treat a substance better than he would his own wife and kids. He would even threaten me...if I called the cops I would end up bloated along some highway...or shit like "you deserve to be in a hole in the ground." I took this shit for way too long...why??? because I was scared to DEATH to leave it!!! To some of ya'll this may be a wonderdrug...but to him...it was GOD!!! I am so glad I dont have to deal much with it anymore but dammit the words and stuff hurt so bad that they kinda stuck with me...its hell gettin over!!!

[Jhony5]

Lilmizz, I know what its like to not only hate your ex, but to hate everything about your ex. Sounds to me like marijuana was the 'other woman'. I think you were jealous of the time he spent with Mary, understandably.

 

However, the issue at hand is whether pot can cause depression. However diagnosable clinical depression is far and away different then marijuanas classification as a depressant. The term "depressant" conveys that it suppresses mental and physical capability's, due to the release of dopamine into the system.

Clinical depression is a medical condition caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain. Marijuana DOES NOT cause this imbalance. If it did it would suggest that pot actually destroys brain function. Many have, in an effort to collect evidence AGAINST marijuana, conducted studies to determine if marijuana 1:kills brain cells----2: destroys brain function.---3:causes physical dependency. It has never been proven. Google around a bit and educate yourself.

 

Alas, clinically depressed folks shouldn't use marijuana any more then pedophiles should work as day care providers.

[lilmizztemper]

Lilmizz, I know what its like to not only hate your ex, but to hate everything about your ex. Sounds to me like marijuana was the 'other woman'. I think you were jealous of the time he spent with Mary, understandably.

 

nope I wasnt jealous...I hated when he went without Mary!! was worse for all of us when he ran out!

[Jhony5]

nope I wasn't jealous...I hated when he went without Mary!! was worse for all of us when he ran out!

 

Its my belief that drugs are not the cause of a drug problem. All this bleeding heart "I have a disease, and its called addiction" bullshit is a fuckin' cop out. Its a damn excuse that folks use as a crutch, a disclaimer for their lack of responsibility. I've snorted coke. Smoked base. Popped downers. It was for shits and giggles. I didn't get addicted. Because I'm not a friggin dipshit moron.

It reminds me of when you hear a story about a kid that plays violent video games or watches violent movies. Then the unstable shit kills himself or someone else. Everyone around him takes a close look at the obvious external issues with them. i.e. Drugs, alcohol, violent media etc. Millions of other kids are exposed to this same stimuli and yet, in percentages, maybe .8% of all children that played 'Grand Theft Auto' actually hurt someone in the commission of a violent crime. Same with drugs, with a slightly higher occurrence rate.

You hear alot, and I mean a butt load, of statistics about the number of people that got addicted to drug X, yet not stats or any way of even knowing the stats on how many people tried drug X, thought it was fun but not somethng they would do on a regular basis.

Personal responsibility and self-control are the cure for the disease called 'addiction'.

[lilmizztemper]

Okay so I somewhat agree with what yer saying...but to ALOT of people...the substance IS their everything. You can take a seemingly normal individual and give him something that will put them in a state of uphoria...well they then figure out that they like it. They decide to try it a second time and find it even more pleasurable. Then you take it from that person!! They miss that uphoria. their once happy life seems a little less happy. So they start finding that Uphoria in other places. Somehow it takes a substance to make them feel "normal." I say its best to find the all natural forms of bliss and content. Hell have a mind blowing orgasm daily and that should take yer cares away

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Okay so I somewhat agree with what yer saying...but to ALOT of people...the substance IS their everything.

You can obsess over just about anything. There are people who kill themselves all the time because the network cancelled their favorite sci-fi or sit-com series. You don't hear as much about it because it is hard to sensationalize the "SIT-COM prompts teen to suicide" headline and subsequently vilify the series.

 

Hell have a mind blowing orgasm daily and that should take yer cares away

Sounds Great! When do we start?

[lilmizztemper]

You can obsess over just about anything. There are people who kill themselves all the time because the network cancelled their favorite sci-fi or sit-com series. You don't hear as much about it because it is hard to sensationalize the "SIT-COM prompts teen to suicide" headline and subsequently vilify the series.

 

OH GAWD!!!! WHY DID THEY TAKE AWAY M.A.S.H.

 

My life will never be the same

 

Sounds Great! When do we start?

 

15 minutes work fer you? Im past due here

[snafu]

OH GAWD!!!! WHY DID THEY TAKE AWAY M.A.S.H.

 

My life will never be the same

 

 

 

15 minutes work fer you? Im past due here

 

 

Yes bring back M.A.S.H.

 

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