Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Kerry, is that you? No ladies, I was talking to a guy. Yeah, yeah, I know. "DerekSmalls" <SpinalTap@Bass.gov.> wrote in message news:47a8b2d8$0$15180$607ed4bc@cv.net... > robw wrote: > > Robert, actually. > > Roberta, "actually." Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 robw wrote: > And the felon finds these recruits where? > > He already has people working for him. > > It might not be easy to find that many more people that can legally buy > guns. > > It;s the inner city, not the burbs. > > Are you saying that the inner city is full of criminals? > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:JvPpj.91276$K27.38256@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> The one gun question..... >>> >>> Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to criminals. >>> >> Hypothesis accepted. However, what you're describing is NOT a "straw" >> sale/purchase. >> >>> Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. >>> >> Does it make you feel superior to denigrate others? >> >> Why do you feel the need to play the insult card? Because I'm >> questioning your preconceptions? >> >>> If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks [ profit ] > I'm making 900 >>> bucks a month. >>> (you following this?) >>> >> Seemingly much better than you are. >> >>> If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. >>> >>> Any questions? >>> >> So the felon working the straw-purchase scheme recruits more people to >> buy guns for him, increasing the number of criminals and amount of crime. >> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>> news:s1Mpj.91016$L%6.45696@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>> robw wrote: >>>>> So what is your definition and you might want to pas it along to Lou > of >>>>> Lou's pawn Shop [ Lou's Loans ] who got closed for such sales. >>>>> >>>> Someone gives you the money and you buy a gun for them is a straw >>>> purchase. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or several. >>>> >>>> In a straw-purchase scheme, a felon, barred by law from buying guns, >>>> recruits someone who can legally buy guns. The intermediary fills out >>>> forms, passes a background check, purchases the guns, then gives them > to >>>> the felon, who uses them to commit crimes or illegally resells them for >>>> a big profit. >>>> >>>> Lou's Loans lost its license because of a multitude of violations of >>>> federal gun laws, some of those violations were straw >>>> sales/purchases--also there were illegal purchases and selling multiple >>>> guns to a person without notifying the ATF in violation of the Federal >>>> Multiple Handgun Reporting program. >>>> >>>> How does one gun a month eliminate "straw purchases"? >>>> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:ToLpj.90999$L%6.70175@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>>>> robw wrote: >>>>>>> Well, let's see....... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to people >>> who >>>>> are >>>>>>> not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able to buy > one >>>>> gun a >>>>>>> month? >>>>>>> >>>>>> That is not, by definition, a straw sale. >>>>>> >>>>>> Back to the original situation and question, how does 'one gun a > month' >>>>>> prevent straw buys? >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>>>>>> robw wrote: >>>>>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it from the >>>>> dealer. >>>>>>>> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting >>> program. >>>>>>>> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any "multiple >>>>>>>> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five consecutive >>>>>>>> business days. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And before you even start, this would not include people with >>>>>>> collector's >>>>>>>>> licenses. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's license"? > Or >>>>>>>> would this be a new requirement? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Straw buys are currently illegal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How do you propose to eliminate them? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >>> > > Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 robw wrote: > Hint: we want to stop those felonies. > > That's the same thing the people who passed the law creating the felonies to begin with wanted to do--stop a behavior. You're not going to change a behavior pattern by making something that already illegal even illegaler. > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:QDPpj.91281$K27.88919@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. >>> >> And each instance of you doing so is a felony. >> >>> Now I can only sell one. >>> >> No, now you can only buy one from a FFL dealer. >> >>> You investing????? >>> >>> >>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:s3Npj.84358$ds2.38614@trnddc05... >>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>> news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> Do the math and get back to me. >>>> Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The state passes a >>> minor >>>> law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now only commit 2 >>>> federal felonies each month. >>>> >>>> Right, and pigs fly. >>>> >>>> >>> > > Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 robw wrote: > If I can now buy 120, but it gets changed to 1, that changes nothing???? > > Can you cite someone that bought 120 guns in a single 30 day period? > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3B60905EABDSandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:DqidnWVjs4nrPjranZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >>> Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. >>> >>> Now I can only sell one. >> Since that is already an illegal activity, one gun a month doesn't change >> anything, you moron. >> >>> You investing????? >>> >>> >>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:s3Npj.84358$ds2.38614@trnddc05... >>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>> news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> Do the math and get back to me. >>>> Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The state passes a >>> minor >>>> law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now only commit 2 >>>> federal felonies each month. >>>> >>>> Right, and pigs fly. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 robw wrote: > I advocate a law that would significantly reduce the number of guns being > sold to people who can not buy them legally themselves. > > OK, let's examine what you just advocated: If someone cannot legally buy a gun for themselves then it's illegal to sell them one. So now you want to make another law to address the already illegal activity of selling guns to prohibited persons. > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:GBPpj.91279$K27.52336@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> Do the math and get back to me. >>> >> Math? What math? >> >> Straw sales are illegal behavior, you advocate a law that doesn't >> address 'straw' sales/purchases. >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>> news:zfMpj.91023$L%6.28591@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>> robw wrote: >>>>> If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and > now >>> I >>>>> can only buy one gun a month... >>>>> >>>> Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal law--dealing > in >>>> firearms without a license though and as such is already illegal. >>>> >>>> And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also get reported > to >>>> the ATF in accordance with current federal law. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? >>>>> >>>> I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to violate federal >>>> firearms laws. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>>>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >>>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >>>>>>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >>>>>>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >>>>>>> >>>>>> It won't. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical > question, >>>>>> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them >>> to >>>>>> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being >>>>>> able to buy one gun a month?" >>>>>> >>>>>> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". >>> > > Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 robw wrote: > Really? So why is Lou out of business????? > > What percent of guns was Lou responsible for? Wasn't it you who earlier said "Do the math"? > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3B5EA143DBESandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s- >> dnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >>> So give us a chance. >> Most guns used in crimes don't just come from dealer operated stores in >> the first place. Most of them are obtained from family and friends >> (67%), stolen (27%) or purchased on the street. >> >>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >>> news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... >>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? >>>> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have seen no >>> decline >>>> in the criminal access to illegal guns. >>>> >>>> >>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >> message >>>>> news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... >>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>>> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >>>>>> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> RD (The Sandman) >>>>>> >>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:3PadnYErT4u69TXanZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > And we want to limit those buys. That's nice, but what I'm attempting to get you to do is explain exactly HOW you are going to stop illegal sales. So far your only 'suggestion' was to limit everyone in the vain hope that the criminals would comply with the law, though they have ignored all the others that make what they are doing illegal. So far you have shown me nothing more than tapping your heels together and wishing for things to change. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:ZpOpj.6633$qI.4194@trnddc03... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:Te-dnXVI-pRyPzranZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > There is no such thing as legal buyers selling to criminals???? >> >> Nope, it's a crime. >> >> > Why don't you ask Lou's Pawnshop in Philly. >> >> Yea, and I note he's in jail. >> >> > Get back to me, won't ya'??? >> >> Don't have to get back to you. It's a federal crime to engage in staw > sales, >> or to purchase a gun with the intent of transfering it to a prohibited >> person. >> >> Hence there are no legal buyers of guns for sell to criminals. >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:T0Npj.6613$qI.164@trnddc03... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:m-Gdna1FPsD7BDranZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > The one gun question..... >> >> > >> >> > Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to criminals. >> >> >> >> Sorry, but there is no such thing. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. >> >> > >> >> > If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks I'm >> >> > making >> > 900 >> >> > bucks a month. >> >> > (you following this?) >> >> > >> >> > If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. >> >> >> >> I see, so you are willing to engage in federal crimes which for each >> >> purchase/sale carries a mandatory minimum of 10 years in the federal > pen, >> >> and you think some piddly ass state statute is suddenly going to >> >> matter >> >> to >> >> you? I thought you were a criminal who didn't care about the law? So > why >> > are >> >> you suggesting that you would suddenly start obeying this particular > law >> >> when you've already ignored all the others. For that matter why would > any >> >> other criminal? >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:AuqdnS8LZIym9TXanZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Not at all. Then your assertion is bullshit. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:PqOpj.84243$U12.68735@trnddc06... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:hr6dnQc-pL2GPjranZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Talk to Lou's Pawn Shop and get back to me. >> >> So it's your contention that Lou's Pawn Shop represents every resident of >> Philly? >> >> How did all those people manage to fit into that little bitty building? >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:I1Npj.46139$K%.27628@trnddc04... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:dpKdnbObuusmBDranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > No. In Philly the people buying the guns are selling them to the >> >> > criminals. >> >> >> >> Proof please that eveyone who buys a gun in Philly is engaged in straw >> >> sales. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > you don't live in a major city, do you? >> >> >> >> I have, and still didnt' see what you blindly assert. >> >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:U9Mpj.19896$Ou1.19084@trnddc07... >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> news:aPGdnX5Qx_BHHDranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> > Well, let's see....... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to > people >> >> >> > who >> >> >> > are >> >> >> > not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able to >> >> >> > buy >> > one >> >> > gun >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > month? >> >> >> >> >> >> Then you have eliminated a major indicator to the ATF that an >> >> > investigation >> >> >> may be called for. Further, as occured here, what simply happened >> >> >> is >> > you >> >> > had >> >> >> fleets of people buying guns turning them over to this middleman >> >> >> who >> > then >> >> >> sold them to the criminals. End result as far as criminal access to >> > guns? >> >> >> Zip, Nada, Nothing, Zilch, Zero. The ATF, however, now find it a >> >> >> lot >> >> > harder >> >> >> to indentify and track such strawsales since they now generate no >> > special >> >> >> paperwork as occured before. >> >> >> >> >> >> I will simply note that your 'solution' involves restricting legal >> > guns. >> >> >> Something you said you weren't interested in. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it from the >> >> > dealer. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting >> > program. >> >> >> >> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any > "multiple >> >> >> >> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five >> >> >> >> consecutive >> >> >> >> business days. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with >> >> >> > collector's >> >> >> >> > licenses. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's >> >> >> >> license"? >> >> >> >> Or >> >> >> >> would this be a new requirement? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> >>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> >>>> robw wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself > out. >> >> >> >> >>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> You? >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:cvydnWGilun59TXanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@comcast.com... > Where am I going to get the guns if I'm limited to one a month? ah....other criminals? Real criminals have done so. I would hate to think you are stupidier than a criminal. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:CrOpj.84289$U12.53993@trnddc06... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:DqidnWVjs4nrPjranZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. >> > >> > Now I can only sell one. >> >> Really? You're going to suddenly start obeying the law you have been >> ignoring because I pass a new law? >> >> You must be a rather stupid criminal. >> >> > You investing????? >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:s3Npj.84358$ds2.38614@trnddc05... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. >> >> >> >> Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The state passes a >> > minor >> >> law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now only commit 2 >> >> federal felonies each month. >> >> >> >> Right, and pigs fly. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:vY6dnTzhU-Lt9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > When? When you said you would sell them to criminals. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:MrOpj.84299$U12.34469@trnddc06... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:UbednWtJ0rcXPjranZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Did I say I was a criminal??? >> >> Yes. >> >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:_5Npj.46140$K%.45823@trnddc04... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:Rc-dnZ16iIVfBzranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > Where have I ever said I was a criminal? >> >> >> >> "sell them to criminals" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:ClMpj.6414$qI.4566@trnddc03... >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to > criminals.....and >> > now >> >> > I >> >> >> > can only buy one gun a month... >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, but how exactly does this law mean you can only buy 1 gun a >> > month? >> >> > I >> >> >> thought you were a criminal and not constrained to obeying the law, > or >> >> >> did >> >> > I >> >> >> misunderstand you? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> >> >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> >> >> >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It won't. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical >> >> >> >> question, >> >> >> >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells >> > them >> >> > to >> >> >> >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only >> > being >> >> >> >> able to buy one gun a month?" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:5IOdna8ugato9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com... > It's never been tried in Philly. Right, and since it's never been tried in a particular place means we can expect different results. Wow. Does this mean cold fusion works, we just have to figure out the location on the planet were it does? Sorry, but there is nothing special about Philly that would reasonably result in different results. Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:4fSdnY6OY5cACjXanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@comcast.com... > So you're the kind of person that just accepts the conditions....or are > you > the kind that wants someone else to clean up the mess. You are the sort that can't differentiate between your desires and reality. What you fantasize about and what is realistic. There is absolutely nothing special about the conditions in Philly that is at all likely to alter the observed results of your "suggestion". > People like you sicken me. Yea, I can see how people rooted in reality really screws up your delusional fantasies. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3B5EC75BDCFSandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:5IOdna8ugato9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > It's never been tried in Philly. >> >> Does gravity act differently in Philly than elsewere? >> >> > But you can relax. Harrisburg won't let Philly institute it's own laws >> > and when the western part of the state you're not going to get a >> > statewide law passed. >> > >> > Feel better? >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:GuOpj.46148$K%.1807@trnddc04... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > So give us a chance. >> >> >> >> It's already been tried time and time and time again. It has NEVER >> >> worked. So why should I allow you to fuck people over to try yet >> >> again. Show me >> > that >> >> you have any reasonable proof of producing a different result. >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >> >> > message news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? >> >> >> >> >> >> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have seen >> >> >> no >> >> > decline >> >> >> in the criminal access to illegal guns. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> >> > message news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:l8OdnU3qlZ2u9DXanZ2dnUVZ_hidnZ2d@comcast.com... > How could they illegally buy 59 more when they are the source of the > illegal > guns???? They are a source, not the only source, and like any business when one supply dries up or becomes limited they seek new and additional suppliers. Seems you are stupidier than criminals. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:nvOpj.17295$hF2.11680@trnddc02... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:NMqdnaB84qs2OTranZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Legal to buy 60 guns in a month. >> > Legal to buy 1. >> >> and can illegally buy the other 59. After all, you are already engaged in >> federal felonies. What difference does it make if you continue to break > the >> law? >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:13Mpj.2656$xE.1245@trnddc01... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >> >> You do realize that straw sales are ALREADY illegal. Right? >> >> >> >> So how much more illegal do you want them to be? >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> > If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. >> >> >> > If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > You? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:v4udnZNqJ5bT9DXanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Just read what I wrote and believe it. I read it, I don't believe it, and facts have no impact on your opinions. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:KvOpj.84534$U12.18994@trnddc06... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:vN6dnYEYFvsjOTranZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > You;re not going to change my mind. >> >> Well, first you would have to have a mind for me to be able to change it. >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:R1Mpj.75331$U12.39351@trnddc06... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:cqadnWalQ8-MxDranZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. >> >> > If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >> > >> >> > I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >> >> >> IOW, you want an impossible fantasy.....mean while back in > reality...... >> >> >> >> >> >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message >> >> > news:47a75654$0$25029$607ed4bc@cv.net... >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> >> > news:9-idnZPN-aPEHjvanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I'm not opposed to guns. >> >> >> >>I'm opposed to illegal guns. >> >> >> >> >> >> > So are we opposed to illegal possession of guns. Do you get it > now, >> >> >> > asshole? >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" forgets that ONLY criminals can have guns in or near >> >> >> Chicago. >> >> >> (legality means nothing) >> >> >> "robw" forgets that ONLY criminals shoot unarmed people. >> >> >> "robw" forgets that ONLY the free people are denied a method to > defend >> >> >> thenselvs in Chicago, as ordered by the LIBERAL government that >> >> >> inacted >> >> >> stump stupid laws that cured nothing. >> >> >> "robw" forgets that he is dancing in the blood of other's demise to >> >> >> promote his stupidity. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:dYudnQ-4FdVF9DXanZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@comcast.com... > If you have that name in Philly you'd better be Irish. Why? Are you suggesting that people would harm him because of his name? > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:wyOpj.84694$U12.61095@trnddc06... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:V-6dnRSXG-NAOTranZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@comcast.com... >> > And you're named Kerry. >> > >> > Folks hoping for a girl? >> >> And you are still a dumb fuck >> >> > http://www.babynamenetwork.com/baby_names/detail.cfm?name=Kerry&gender=Male >> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kerry >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_%28name%29 >> http://www.babiesonline.com/babynames/index.asp?name=Kerry >> >> >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message >> > news:47a78996$0$25055$607ed4bc@cv.net... >> >> robw, the top posting retard wrote: >> >> >> >> > Not what you inferred before there. >> >> >> >> I've always inferred that you were a retard. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message >> >> > news:47a77fd7$0$25048$607ed4bc@cv.net... >> >> > >> >> >>robw wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>My right was taken away.....when? >> >> >> >> >> >>Your right to maintain a brain,, the day after your birth! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Did you see the word "limit" when you responded???? Less guns to sell mean less guns on the street. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:Nz4qj.17487$hF2.10330@trnddc02... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:3PadnYErT4u69TXanZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > And we want to limit those buys. > > That's nice, but what I'm attempting to get you to do is explain exactly HOW > you are going to stop illegal sales. So far your only 'suggestion' was to > limit everyone in the vain hope that the criminals would comply with the > law, though they have ignored all the others that make what they are doing > illegal. > > So far you have shown me nothing more than tapping your heels together and > wishing for things to change. > > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:ZpOpj.6633$qI.4194@trnddc03... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:Te-dnXVI-pRyPzranZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > There is no such thing as legal buyers selling to criminals???? > >> > >> Nope, it's a crime. > >> > >> > Why don't you ask Lou's Pawnshop in Philly. > >> > >> Yea, and I note he's in jail. > >> > >> > Get back to me, won't ya'??? > >> > >> Don't have to get back to you. It's a federal crime to engage in staw > > sales, > >> or to purchase a gun with the intent of transfering it to a prohibited > >> person. > >> > >> Hence there are no legal buyers of guns for sell to criminals. > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:T0Npj.6613$qI.164@trnddc03... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:m-Gdna1FPsD7BDranZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > The one gun question..... > >> >> > > >> >> > Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to criminals. > >> >> > >> >> Sorry, but there is no such thing. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. > >> >> > > >> >> > If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks I'm > >> >> > making > >> > 900 > >> >> > bucks a month. > >> >> > (you following this?) > >> >> > > >> >> > If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. > >> >> > >> >> I see, so you are willing to engage in federal crimes which for each > >> >> purchase/sale carries a mandatory minimum of 10 years in the federal > > pen, > >> >> and you think some piddly ass state statute is suddenly going to > >> >> matter > >> >> to > >> >> you? I thought you were a criminal who didn't care about the law? So > > why > >> > are > >> >> you suggesting that you would suddenly start obeying this particular > > law > >> >> when you've already ignored all the others. For that matter why would > > any > >> >> other criminal? > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 No, my assertion is exactly what myself, and many others of us in Philly are going to work towards. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:gA4qj.10985$M71.7278@trnddc08... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:AuqdnS8LZIym9TXanZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Not at all. > > Then your assertion is bullshit. > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:PqOpj.84243$U12.68735@trnddc06... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:hr6dnQc-pL2GPjranZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Talk to Lou's Pawn Shop and get back to me. > >> > >> So it's your contention that Lou's Pawn Shop represents every resident of > >> Philly? > >> > >> How did all those people manage to fit into that little bitty building? > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:I1Npj.46139$K%.27628@trnddc04... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:dpKdnbObuusmBDranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > No. In Philly the people buying the guns are selling them to the > >> >> > criminals. > >> >> > >> >> Proof please that eveyone who buys a gun in Philly is engaged in straw > >> >> sales. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > you don't live in a major city, do you? > >> >> > >> >> I have, and still didnt' see what you blindly assert. > >> >> > >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:U9Mpj.19896$Ou1.19084@trnddc07... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:aPGdnX5Qx_BHHDranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> > Well, let's see....... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to > > people > >> >> >> > who > >> >> >> > are > >> >> >> > not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able to > >> >> >> > buy > >> > one > >> >> > gun > >> >> >> > a > >> >> >> > month? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Then you have eliminated a major indicator to the ATF that an > >> >> > investigation > >> >> >> may be called for. Further, as occured here, what simply happened > >> >> >> is > >> > you > >> >> > had > >> >> >> fleets of people buying guns turning them over to this middleman > >> >> >> who > >> > then > >> >> >> sold them to the criminals. End result as far as criminal access to > >> > guns? > >> >> >> Zip, Nada, Nothing, Zilch, Zero. The ATF, however, now find it a > >> >> >> lot > >> >> > harder > >> >> >> to indentify and track such strawsales since they now generate no > >> > special > >> >> >> paperwork as occured before. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I will simply note that your 'solution' involves restricting legal > >> > guns. > >> >> >> Something you said you weren't interested in. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> > news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it from the > >> >> > dealer. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting > >> > program. > >> >> >> >> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any > > "multiple > >> >> >> >> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five > >> >> >> >> consecutive > >> >> >> >> business days. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with > >> >> >> > collector's > >> >> >> >> > licenses. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's > >> >> >> >> license"? > >> >> >> >> Or > >> >> >> >> would this be a new requirement? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> >>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself > > out. > >> >> >> >> >>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> You? > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Ah, but if you shut off the supply at some point the amount of guns is lessened. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:XA4qj.49753$K%.9851@trnddc04... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:cvydnWGilun59TXanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Where am I going to get the guns if I'm limited to one a month? > > ah....other criminals? > > Real criminals have done so. I would hate to think you are stupidier than a > criminal. > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:CrOpj.84289$U12.53993@trnddc06... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:DqidnWVjs4nrPjranZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. > >> > > >> > Now I can only sell one. > >> > >> Really? You're going to suddenly start obeying the law you have been > >> ignoring because I pass a new law? > >> > >> You must be a rather stupid criminal. > >> > >> > You investing????? > >> > > >> > > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:s3Npj.84358$ds2.38614@trnddc05... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. > >> >> > >> >> Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The state passes a > >> > minor > >> >> law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now only commit 2 > >> >> federal felonies each month. > >> >> > >> >> Right, and pigs fly. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 I never said I would sell to criminals. I was speaking in hypothetical terms. Are you that f cking stupid? "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:tB4qj.28494$xE.18622@trnddc01... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:vY6dnTzhU-Lt9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > When? > > When you said you would sell them to criminals. > > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:MrOpj.84299$U12.34469@trnddc06... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:UbednWtJ0rcXPjranZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Did I say I was a criminal??? > >> > >> Yes. > >> > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:_5Npj.46140$K%.45823@trnddc04... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:Rc-dnZ16iIVfBzranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > Where have I ever said I was a criminal? > >> >> > >> >> "sell them to criminals" > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:ClMpj.6414$qI.4566@trnddc03... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to > > criminals.....and > >> > now > >> >> > I > >> >> >> > can only buy one gun a month... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Sorry, but how exactly does this law mean you can only buy 1 gun a > >> > month? > >> >> > I > >> >> >> thought you were a criminal and not constrained to obeying the law, > > or > >> >> >> did > >> >> > I > >> >> >> misunderstand you? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >> >> >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >> >> >> >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> It won't. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical > >> >> >> >> question, > >> >> >> >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells > >> > them > >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only > >> > being > >> >> >> >> able to buy one gun a month?" > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Ah, so you know more than the previous and current administration, the previous and current police chief, and the desires of the good people here in Philly?? That's really amazing. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:cS4qj.49758$K%.19823@trnddc04... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:4fSdnY6OY5cACjXanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@comcast.com... > > So you're the kind of person that just accepts the conditions....or are > > you > > the kind that wants someone else to clean up the mess. > > You are the sort that can't differentiate between your desires and reality. > What you fantasize about and what is realistic. There is absolutely nothing > special about the conditions in Philly that is at all likely to alter the > observed results of your "suggestion". > > > > People like you sicken me. > > Yea, I can see how people rooted in reality really screws up your delusional > fantasies. > > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B5EC75BDCFSandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:5IOdna8ugato9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > It's never been tried in Philly. > >> > >> Does gravity act differently in Philly than elsewere? > >> > >> > But you can relax. Harrisburg won't let Philly institute it's own laws > >> > and when the western part of the state you're not going to get a > >> > statewide law passed. > >> > > >> > Feel better? > >> > > >> > > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:GuOpj.46148$K%.1807@trnddc04... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > So give us a chance. > >> >> > >> >> It's already been tried time and time and time again. It has NEVER > >> >> worked. So why should I allow you to fuck people over to try yet > >> >> again. Show me > >> > that > >> >> you have any reasonable proof of producing a different result. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> >> > message news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have seen > >> >> >> no > >> >> > decline > >> >> >> in the criminal access to illegal guns. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> > message news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Wow, your kids know their Dad's a quitter? "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:8D4qj.17847$qI.13625@trnddc03... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:5IOdna8ugato9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com... > > It's never been tried in Philly. > > Right, and since it's never been tried in a particular place means we can > expect different results. > > Wow. Does this mean cold fusion works, we just have to figure out the > location on the planet were it does? > > Sorry, but there is nothing special about Philly that would reasonably > result in different results. > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 And this new source would be????? "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:2T4qj.10986$M71.4911@trnddc08... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:l8OdnU3qlZ2u9DXanZ2dnUVZ_hidnZ2d@comcast.com... > > How could they illegally buy 59 more when they are the source of the > > illegal > > guns???? > > They are a source, not the only source, and like any business when one > supply dries up or becomes limited they seek new and additional suppliers. > > Seems you are stupidier than criminals. > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:nvOpj.17295$hF2.11680@trnddc02... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:NMqdnaB84qs2OTranZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Legal to buy 60 guns in a month. > >> > Legal to buy 1. > >> > >> and can illegally buy the other 59. After all, you are already engaged in > >> federal felonies. What difference does it make if you continue to break > > the > >> law? > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:13Mpj.2656$xE.1245@trnddc01... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> > >> >> You do realize that straw sales are ALREADY illegal. Right? > >> >> > >> >> So how much more illegal do you want them to be? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> > If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. > >> >> >> > If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > You? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 That's your choice. You're not changing my mind or the minds of many of us here in :Philly. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:FT4qj.95910$U12.11925@trnddc06... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:v4udnZNqJ5bT9DXanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Just read what I wrote and believe it. > > I read it, I don't believe it, and facts have no impact on your opinions. > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:KvOpj.84534$U12.18994@trnddc06... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:vN6dnYEYFvsjOTranZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > You;re not going to change my mind. > >> > >> Well, first you would have to have a mind for me to be able to change it. > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:R1Mpj.75331$U12.39351@trnddc06... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:cqadnWalQ8-MxDranZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. > >> >> > If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >> >> > > >> >> > I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >> >> > >> >> IOW, you want an impossible fantasy.....mean while back in > > reality...... > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > >> >> > news:47a75654$0$25029$607ed4bc@cv.net... > >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >> >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> > news:9-idnZPN-aPEHjvanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>I'm not opposed to guns. > >> >> >> >>I'm opposed to illegal guns. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So are we opposed to illegal possession of guns. Do you get it > > now, > >> >> >> > asshole? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "robw" forgets that ONLY criminals can have guns in or near > >> >> >> Chicago. > >> >> >> (legality means nothing) > >> >> >> "robw" forgets that ONLY criminals shoot unarmed people. > >> >> >> "robw" forgets that ONLY the free people are denied a method to > > defend > >> >> >> thenselvs in Chicago, as ordered by the LIBERAL government that > >> >> >> inacted > >> >> >> stump stupid laws that cured nothing. > >> >> >> "robw" forgets that he is dancing in the blood of other's demise to > >> >> >> promote his stupidity. > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 If he shot his mouth off? There's bars in South Philly where he'd be toast. Unless he was Irish. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:iU4qj.90487$ds2.71294@trnddc05... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:dYudnQ-4FdVF9DXanZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > If you have that name in Philly you'd better be Irish. > > Why? Are you suggesting that people would harm him because of his name? > > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:wyOpj.84694$U12.61095@trnddc06... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:V-6dnRSXG-NAOTranZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > And you're named Kerry. > >> > > >> > Folks hoping for a girl? > >> > >> And you are still a dumb fuck > >> > >> > > http://www.babynamenetwork.com/baby_names/detail.cfm?name=Kerry&gender=Male > >> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kerry > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_%28name%29 > >> http://www.babiesonline.com/babynames/index.asp?name=Kerry > >> > >> > >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > >> > news:47a78996$0$25055$607ed4bc@cv.net... > >> >> robw, the top posting retard wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Not what you inferred before there. > >> >> > >> >> I've always inferred that you were a retard. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > >> >> > news:47a77fd7$0$25048$607ed4bc@cv.net... > >> >> > > >> >> >>robw wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>>My right was taken away.....when? > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Your right to maintain a brain,, the day after your birth! > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 By shear numbers........yes. "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:d54qj.60982$k27.13050@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > And the felon finds these recruits where? > > > > He already has people working for him. > > > > It might not be easy to find that many more people that can legally buy > > guns. > > > > It;s the inner city, not the burbs. > > > > > > Are you saying that the inner city is full of criminals? > > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:JvPpj.91276$K27.38256@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> The one gun question..... > >>> > >>> Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to criminals. > >>> > >> Hypothesis accepted. However, what you're describing is NOT a "straw" > >> sale/purchase. > >> > >>> Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. > >>> > >> Does it make you feel superior to denigrate others? > >> > >> Why do you feel the need to play the insult card? Because I'm > >> questioning your preconceptions? > >> > >>> If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks [ profit ] > > I'm making 900 > >>> bucks a month. > >>> (you following this?) > >>> > >> Seemingly much better than you are. > >> > >>> If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. > >>> > >>> Any questions? > >>> > >> So the felon working the straw-purchase scheme recruits more people to > >> buy guns for him, increasing the number of criminals and amount of crime. > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>> news:s1Mpj.91016$L%6.45696@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >>>> robw wrote: > >>>>> So what is your definition and you might want to pas it along to Lou > > of > >>>>> Lou's pawn Shop [ Lou's Loans ] who got closed for such sales. > >>>>> > >>>> Someone gives you the money and you buy a gun for them is a straw > >>>> purchase. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or several. > >>>> > >>>> In a straw-purchase scheme, a felon, barred by law from buying guns, > >>>> recruits someone who can legally buy guns. The intermediary fills out > >>>> forms, passes a background check, purchases the guns, then gives them > > to > >>>> the felon, who uses them to commit crimes or illegally resells them for > >>>> a big profit. > >>>> > >>>> Lou's Loans lost its license because of a multitude of violations of > >>>> federal gun laws, some of those violations were straw > >>>> sales/purchases--also there were illegal purchases and selling multiple > >>>> guns to a person without notifying the ATF in violation of the Federal > >>>> Multiple Handgun Reporting program. > >>>> > >>>> How does one gun a month eliminate "straw purchases"? > >>>> > >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>> news:ToLpj.90999$L%6.70175@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>> Well, let's see....... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to people > >>> who > >>>>> are > >>>>>>> not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able to buy > > one > >>>>> gun a > >>>>>>> month? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> That is not, by definition, a straw sale. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Back to the original situation and question, how does 'one gun a > > month' > >>>>>> prevent straw buys? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>>>> news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it from the > >>>>> dealer. > >>>>>>>> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting > >>> program. > >>>>>>>> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any "multiple > >>>>>>>> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five consecutive > >>>>>>>> business days. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> And before you even start, this would not include people with > >>>>>>> collector's > >>>>>>>>> licenses. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's license"? > > Or > >>>>>>>> would this be a new requirement? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>> news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Straw buys are currently illegal. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> How do you propose to eliminate them? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >>> > > > > Quote
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