Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Great point! Street's no longer the mayor here now and the new one really wants to make a difference. "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:qK7qj.91830$K27.31854@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > Were there 400 murders where you live last year? > > > > No. > > But then, I don't live were "There... this is... this is a social > problem."--John Street > > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:9s6qj.76742$N67.43060@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> Breaking the laws is generally the first sign. > >>> > >> I'm not convinced the inner city is, by shear numbers, full of criminals. > >> > >> I'm convinced that you believe the people in the inner city are > >> criminals though. > >> > >> > >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>> news:pR5qj.76724$N67.20198@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > >>>> robw wrote: > >>>>> By shear numbers........yes. > >>>>> > >>>> What makes them criminals? > >>>> Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Yup, and we need more Lou's. You're getting it! "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:0M7qj.91832$K27.29746@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > People who are legal to buy guns are doing so and selling them to criminals. > > > > Isn't that illegal? > > > You getting this? > > > > Are you? > > > Lou's?????? > > > > Wasn't Lou's Loans shut down for illegal activity? Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:mfCdnSRFN6IOmjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > Why would you need more than one handgun a month? What do you care? Are you opposed to lawful citizens buying guns???? > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:Sv7qj.91821$K27.17737@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >> > Are you a criminal or an honest and responsible gun owner? >> > >> >> If a criminal, then it's illegal for me to possess a firearm. >> >> If a honest and responsible gun owner, then why does it matter how many >> handguns I purchase withing a month? >> >> What's your point? >> >> > >> > >> > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:6V5qj.76727$N67.65466@bignews5.bellsouth.net... >> >> robw wrote: >> >>> If you don't have a gun to shoot me, you can't shoot me. >> >>> >> >> But I thought you weren't advocating gun bans--or is your true agenda >> >> showing through? >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >>> news:H84qj.60984$k27.17298@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >>>> robw wrote: >> >>>>> Hint: we want to stop those felonies. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> That's the same thing the people who passed the law creating the >> >>>> felonies to begin with wanted to do--stop a behavior. >> >>>> >> >>>> You're not going to change a behavior pattern by making something > that >> >>>> already illegal even illegaler. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> > >> > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 If I offered you a thousand bucks to understand what I meant would you turn down the money? Didn't think so. "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:3O7qj.91834$K27.39717@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > Sorry, but I see you as a useless moron that excepts their fate. > > > > Accepts? Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:E-mdnYX2qMX6mTTanZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com... > People who are legal to buy guns are doing so and selling them to > criminals. > > You getting this? Yea, it's already a fucking crime. A crime YOU are unable to enforce. So your solution? Yet another law which can't be enforced any more effectively against those who are the problem. > Lou's?????? Exactly. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:qC6qj.49773$K%.14558@trnddc04... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:pq2dnQp866i_bDXanZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Breaking the laws is generally the first sign. >> >> So why do you think they will suddenly start obeying the law? >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:pR5qj.76724$N67.20198@bignews5.bellsouth.net... >> >> robw wrote: >> >> > By shear numbers........yes. >> >> > >> >> >> >> What makes them criminals? >> >> >> >> > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:d54qj.60982$k27.13050@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >>> And the felon finds these recruits where? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> He already has people working for him. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> It might not be easy to find that many more people that can >> >> >>> legally >> > buy >> >> >>> guns. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> It;s the inner city, not the burbs. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Are you saying that the inner city is full of criminals? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >>> news:JvPpj.91276$K27.38256@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> >> >>>> robw wrote: >> >> >>>>> The one gun question..... >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to >> >> >>>>> criminals. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> Hypothesis accepted. However, what you're describing is NOT a >> >> >>>> "straw" >> >> >>>> sale/purchase. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> Does it make you feel superior to denigrate others? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Why do you feel the need to play the insult card? Because I'm >> >> >>>> questioning your preconceptions? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks >> > [ profit ] >> >> >>> I'm making 900 >> >> >>>>> bucks a month. >> >> >>>>> (you following this?) >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> Seemingly much better than you are. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Any questions? >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> So the felon working the straw-purchase scheme recruits more > people >> > to >> >> >>>> buy guns for him, increasing the number of criminals and amount >> >> >>>> of >> >> > crime. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >>>>> news:s1Mpj.91016$L%6.45696@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >>>>>> robw wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> So what is your definition and you might want to pas it along > to >> > Lou >> >> >>> of >> >> >>>>>>> Lou's pawn Shop [ Lou's Loans ] who got closed for such sales. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Someone gives you the money and you buy a gun for them is a > straw >> >> >>>>>> purchase. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or several. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> In a straw-purchase scheme, a felon, barred by law from buying >> > guns, >> >> >>>>>> recruits someone who can legally buy guns. The intermediary > fills >> > out >> >> >>>>>> forms, passes a background check, purchases the guns, then >> >> >>>>>> gives >> > them >> >> >>> to >> >> >>>>>> the felon, who uses them to commit crimes or illegally resells >> >> >>>>>> them >> >> > for >> >> >>>>>> a big profit. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Lou's Loans lost its license because of a multitude of >> >> >>>>>> violations >> >> > of >> >> >>>>>> federal gun laws, some of those violations were straw >> >> >>>>>> sales/purchases--also there were illegal purchases and selling >> >> > multiple >> >> >>>>>> guns to a person without notifying the ATF in violation of the >> >> > Federal >> >> >>>>>> Multiple Handgun Reporting program. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> How does one gun a month eliminate "straw purchases"? >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>> news:ToLpj.90999$L%6.70175@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >>>>>>>> robw wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>> Well, let's see....... >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them >> >> >>>>>>>>> to >> >> > people >> >> >>>>> who >> >> >>>>>>> are >> >> >>>>>>>>> not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able > to >> > buy >> >> >>> one >> >> >>>>>>> gun a >> >> >>>>>>>>> month? >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> That is not, by definition, a straw sale. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Back to the original situation and question, how does 'one >> >> >>>>>>>> gun > a >> >> >>> month' >> >> >>>>>>>> prevent straw buys? >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>>>> news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it >> >> >>>>>>>>>> from >> > the >> >> >>>>>>> dealer. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun > Reporting >> >> >>>>> program. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any >> >> > "multiple >> >> >>>>>>>>>> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five >> > consecutive >> >> >>>>>>>>>> business days. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> And before you even start, this would not include people > with >> >> >>>>>>>>> collector's >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> licenses. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's >> > license"? >> >> >>> Or >> >> >>>>>>>>>> would this be a new requirement? >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock > yourself >> >> > out. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You? >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I believe what in believe in. Problem? "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:HQ7qj.91836$K27.24075@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > I could give a rat's ass about your position. > > > > You're right, your mind can't be changed, and you give a rat's ass about > another's position. That about sum it up? > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:nw6qj.76746$N67.34695@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> You're right. > >>> > >>> Still not changing my mind and not trying to change yours. > >>> > >> Ah, but do you actually know what my position is? Specially since I > >> haven't advocated any position, all I've done is try to educate you with > >> some factual information. > >> > >>> feel better? > >>> > >>> > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:wrOdncfuLqNdmTTanZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com... > Do you think Philly has more Starf cks than cherry Hill Nj? Attempt to divert the discussion is noted. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:wF6qj.17500$hF2.12209@trnddc02... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:n5udnZjl9M8ebDXanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > So a city of millions would not have more of everything you could name >> > than >> > a suburban community of couple hundred thou??????? >> >> I see. So you don't believe in rates? >> >> If a city of 10,000,000 has 1,000 homicides then that is far worse than a >> city of 2,000 that has 500 homicides? >> >> Further, even in the city, even by shear numbers few people are >> criminals. >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:IT5qj.20067$Ou1.14023@trnddc07... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:b6OdnY4jnNG2fDXanZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > By shear numbers........yes. >> >> >> >> Proof. >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:d54qj.60982$k27.13050@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> > And the felon finds these recruits where? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > He already has people working for him. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It might not be easy to find that many more people that can > legally >> > buy >> >> >> > guns. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It;s the inner city, not the burbs. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Are you saying that the inner city is full of criminals? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:JvPpj.91276$K27.38256@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> >>> The one gun question..... >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to > criminals. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> Hypothesis accepted. However, what you're describing is NOT a >> > "straw" >> >> >> >> sale/purchase. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> Does it make you feel superior to denigrate others? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why do you feel the need to play the insult card? Because I'm >> >> >> >> questioning your preconceptions? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks >> > [ profit ] >> >> >> > I'm making 900 >> >> >> >>> bucks a month. >> >> >> >>> (you following this?) >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> Seemingly much better than you are. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Any questions? >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> So the felon working the straw-purchase scheme recruits more > people >> > to >> >> >> >> buy guns for him, increasing the number of criminals and amount > of >> >> > crime. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >>> news:s1Mpj.91016$L%6.45696@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >>>> robw wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> So what is your definition and you might want to pas it along > to >> >> >> >>>>> Lou >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >>>>> Lou's pawn Shop [ Lou's Loans ] who got closed for such >> >> >> >>>>> sales. >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>> Someone gives you the money and you buy a gun for them is a > straw >> >> >> >>>> purchase. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or several. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> In a straw-purchase scheme, a felon, barred by law from buying >> > guns, >> >> >> >>>> recruits someone who can legally buy guns. The intermediary > fills >> >> >> >>>> out >> >> >> >>>> forms, passes a background check, purchases the guns, then > gives >> >> >> >>>> them >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >>>> the felon, who uses them to commit crimes or illegally resells >> > them >> >> > for >> >> >> >>>> a big profit. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Lou's Loans lost its license because of a multitude of >> > violations >> >> > of >> >> >> >>>> federal gun laws, some of those violations were straw >> >> >> >>>> sales/purchases--also there were illegal purchases and selling >> >> > multiple >> >> >> >>>> guns to a person without notifying the ATF in violation of the >> >> > Federal >> >> >> >>>> Multiple Handgun Reporting program. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> How does one gun a month eliminate "straw purchases"? >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >>>>> news:ToLpj.90999$L%6.70175@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >>>>>> robw wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>> Well, let's see....... >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them > to >> >> > people >> >> >> >>> who >> >> >> >>>>> are >> >> >> >>>>>>> not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able > to >> >> >> >>>>>>> buy >> >> >> > one >> >> >> >>>>> gun a >> >> >> >>>>>>> month? >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> That is not, by definition, a straw sale. >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Back to the original situation and question, how does 'one > gun >> >> >> >>>>>> a >> >> >> > month' >> >> >> >>>>>> prevent straw buys? >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >>>>>>> news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >>>>>>>> robw wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it > from >> > the >> >> >> >>>>> dealer. >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun > Reporting >> >> >> >>> program. >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any >> >> > "multiple >> >> >> >>>>>>>> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five >> >> >> >>>>>>>> consecutive >> >> >> >>>>>>>> business days. >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> And before you even start, this would not include people >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> with >> >> >> >>>>>>> collector's >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> licenses. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's >> >> >> >>>>>>>> license"? >> >> >> > Or >> >> >> >>>>>>>> would this be a new requirement? >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock > yourself >> >> > out. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Wayne Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 From what I have read, your lumping legal sales and illegal sales interchangeably. This leads me to think you are not familiar with the existing laws for gun sales. Ever bought a gun? "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:p_-dnfWGLdiUmjTanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Read the thread. > > > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:OP6qj.20080$Ou1.18955@trnddc07... >> Still trying to understand this. If someone is selling 30 guns/mo to >> criminals....are they known felons, in which case the seller is also >> breaking the law, as well as the buyer? Or are the 30 guns sold >> legitimately, and then the gun turns the buyer to a life of crime? Or >> are >> you wanting to limit retail sales to 1 per month per seller? >> .....just trying to understand what you are proposing. >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:VP-dncMSo4XlbjXanZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Really, if someone is selling thirty guns a month to cri minals and now >> > they >> > can only buy one what does that do for their business. >> > >> > I'm a retail trainer. You've apparently found a way to overcome supply > and >> > demand by actually offering less product at the same margins. >> > >> > You could revolutionize our industry! >> > >> > We await your enlightenment. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:NU5qj.30674$xE.18010@trnddc01... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:i-OdnXUcVI9v8DXanZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >I advocate a law that would significantly reduce the number of guns >> >> >being >> >> > sold to people who can not buy them legally themselves. >> >> >> >> Sorry, but your one gun a month law doesn't change the number that can > be >> >> illegally sold to prohibited people in the least. >> >> >> >> Your stupidity is noted. >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:GBPpj.91279$K27.52336@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Math? What math? >> >> >> >> >> >> Straw sales are illegal behavior, you advocate a law that doesn't >> >> >> address 'straw' sales/purchases. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:zfMpj.91023$L%6.28591@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> >>> If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to >> >> >> >>> criminals.....and >> >> > now >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >>> can only buy one gun a month... >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal >> > law--dealing >> >> > in >> >> >> >> firearms without a license though and as such is already >> >> >> >> illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also get >> > reported >> >> > to >> >> >> >> the ATF in accordance with current federal law. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to violate >> > federal >> >> >> >> firearms laws. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >>> news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> >> >> >>>>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> >> >>>>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>> It won't. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical >> >> > question, >> >> >> >>>> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and > sells >> >> >> >>>> them >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >>>> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person >> >> >> >>>> only >> >> >> >>>> being >> >> >> >>>> able to buy one gun a month?" >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:u_idnYr3YPLomDTanZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast.com... >I could give a rat's ass about your position. Likewise. <plonk> Your entertainment value just hit zero. Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 You're a quitter. You shave by memory? "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:fS7qj.95938$U12.71989@trnddc06... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:GaSdnZEZhsSjYDXanZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > And people like you quit when things get tough. > > Yea, keep trying to hold back the tide, I'm sure the ocean is going to care > that you're trying. > > > > > We don't need you. > > Thank you, I'm happy that I'm not a part of advocating a police state with > tyranny and oppression for all. After all, you did say by any means > necessary, right? > > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:re6qj.95927$U12.20296@trnddc06... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:QfqdnR1dMdTeQjXanZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > No, my assertion is exactly what myself, and many others of us in > >> > Philly > >> > are > >> > going to work towards. > >> > >> Some people till windmills. > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:gA4qj.10985$M71.7278@trnddc08... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:AuqdnS8LZIym9TXanZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > Not at all. > >> >> > >> >> Then your assertion is bullshit. > >> >> > >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:PqOpj.84243$U12.68735@trnddc06... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:hr6dnQc-pL2GPjranZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> > Talk to Lou's Pawn Shop and get back to me. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> So it's your contention that Lou's Pawn Shop represents every > > resident > >> > of > >> >> >> Philly? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> How did all those people manage to fit into that little bitty > >> >> >> building? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > > message > >> >> >> > news:I1Npj.46139$K%.27628@trnddc04... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:dpKdnbObuusmBDranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >> > No. In Philly the people buying the guns are selling them to > > the > >> >> >> >> > criminals. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Proof please that eveyone who buys a gun in Philly is engaged in > >> > straw > >> >> >> >> sales. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > you don't live in a major city, do you? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I have, and still didnt' see what you blindly assert. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> > message > >> >> >> >> > news:U9Mpj.19896$Ou1.19084@trnddc07... > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >> news:aPGdnX5Qx_BHHDranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >> >> > Well, let's see....... > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them > > to > >> >> > people > >> >> >> >> >> > who > >> >> >> >> >> > are > >> >> >> >> >> > not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able > > to > >> >> >> >> >> > buy > >> >> >> > one > >> >> >> >> > gun > >> >> >> >> >> > a > >> >> >> >> >> > month? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Then you have eliminated a major indicator to the ATF that an > >> >> >> >> > investigation > >> >> >> >> >> may be called for. Further, as occured here, what simply > >> >> >> >> >> happened > >> >> >> >> >> is > >> >> >> > you > >> >> >> >> > had > >> >> >> >> >> fleets of people buying guns turning them over to this > > middleman > >> >> >> >> >> who > >> >> >> > then > >> >> >> >> >> sold them to the criminals. End result as far as criminal > > access > >> > to > >> >> >> > guns? > >> >> >> >> >> Zip, Nada, Nothing, Zilch, Zero. The ATF, however, now find > >> >> >> >> >> it > > a > >> >> >> >> >> lot > >> >> >> >> > harder > >> >> >> >> >> to indentify and track such strawsales since they now > >> >> >> >> >> generate > >> >> >> >> >> no > >> >> >> > special > >> >> >> >> >> paperwork as occured before. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> I will simply note that your 'solution' involves restricting > >> > legal > >> >> >> > guns. > >> >> >> >> >> Something you said you weren't interested in. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >> > news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it > > from > >> > the > >> >> >> >> > dealer. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun > > Reporting > >> >> >> > program. > >> >> >> >> >> >> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any > >> >> > "multiple > >> >> >> >> >> >> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five > >> >> >> >> >> >> consecutive > >> >> >> >> >> >> business days. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > And before you even start, this would not include people > >> > with > >> >> >> >> >> > collector's > >> >> >> >> >> >> > licenses. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's > >> >> >> >> >> >> license"? > >> >> >> >> >> >> Or > >> >> >> >> >> >> would this be a new requirement? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >> >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> yourself > >> >> > out. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> You? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 My Pops appreciated sprit. Apparently yours prompted surrender. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:VX7qj.11007$M71.3892@trnddc08... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:SdKdnSuZlekDYzXanZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com... > > So you gave up? > > Why should i continue with something proven to be a failure? Stupidity? Like > yours? > > > My Pops was a conservative at one time and we didn't always agree, but at > > least he instilled in me to do what I believe. > > Too bad he couldn't teach you how to think and to have good reasons to > support your beliefs, but then liberals are usually driven by emotions and > beliefs rather than facts and objective views of reality. > > > And while we were never > > really adversaries (the man had too much love of his kids to be petty) we > > became the best of friends because I did stand up. > > I'm glad that he could love you despite your stupidity and pig headedness to > do whatever you wanted no matter how much the facts said you were wrong. > > > > > > Apparently your father taught you that when things go wrong just stick > > your > > ass up so the cock gets a good angle. > > nope, he taught me how to think, to consider, to be objective, to be able to > realize obtainabled goals as opposed to pie in the sky idealism. > > > > People like you disgust me. > > Yea, we don't run on emotion and empty beliefs. > > > Not because of your views but because you don't fight for what you believe > > in. > > Really? Philly was able to enact that law and have it stand up? > > oh, that's right, we won that fight. > > > Really man, do you shave my memory? > > Because you can't remember what you say from one day to the next. > > > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:Ef6qj.30678$xE.6572@trnddc01... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:B8KdnU3p2InhQjXanZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Ah, but if you shut off the supply at some point the amount of guns is > >> > lessened. > >> > >> Only if you can manage to stop the production of all guns, and then only > >> until criminals take over the process of manufacturing them. > >> > >> I mean we have tried doing this with drugs, and criminals still have all > > the > >> drugs they want. > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:XA4qj.49753$K%.9851@trnddc04... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:cvydnWGilun59TXanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > Where am I going to get the guns if I'm limited to one a month? > >> >> > >> >> ah....other criminals? > >> >> > >> >> Real criminals have done so. I would hate to think you are stupidier > > than > >> > a > >> >> criminal. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:CrOpj.84289$U12.53993@trnddc06... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:DqidnWVjs4nrPjranZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Now I can only sell one. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Really? You're going to suddenly start obeying the law you have > >> >> >> been > >> >> >> ignoring because I pass a new law? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> You must be a rather stupid criminal. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > You investing????? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > > message > >> >> >> > news:s3Npj.84358$ds2.38614@trnddc05... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The state > >> >> >> >> passes > >> > a > >> >> >> > minor > >> >> >> >> law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now only > >> >> >> >> commit > >> > 2 > >> >> >> >> federal felonies each month. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Right, and pigs fly. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 You didn't get the reference. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:LY7qj.95940$U12.47970@trnddc06... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:65CdnV8PZ8eUYjXanZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com... > > It's not what you said. > > Actually it is, but your inability to follow a thread and the context of > your own scenerio isn't my fault. > > > I guess "Cute is what we aim for" > > > > And you won't get that reference. > > > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:Zg6qj.17879$qI.1962@trnddc03... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:s7WdndFQ4qUzQjXanZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >I never said I would sell to criminals. > >> > > >> > I was speaking in hypothetical terms. > >> > >> So, I was speaking of you as a hypothetical criminal in your hypothetical > >> scenario. Seems you can't keep your fantasy seperated from your reality. > >> > >> >Are you that f cking stupid? > >> > >> You certainly are. > >> > >> > >> > > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:tB4qj.28494$xE.18622@trnddc01... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:vY6dnTzhU-Lt9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > When? > >> >> > >> >> When you said you would sell them to criminals. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:MrOpj.84299$U12.34469@trnddc06... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:UbednWtJ0rcXPjranZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> > Did I say I was a criminal??? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Yes. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > > message > >> >> >> > news:_5Npj.46140$K%.45823@trnddc04... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:Rc-dnZ16iIVfBzranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >> > Where have I ever said I was a criminal? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "sell them to criminals" > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> > message > >> >> >> >> > news:ClMpj.6414$qI.4566@trnddc03... > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >> news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >> >> > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to > >> >> > criminals.....and > >> >> >> > now > >> >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> >> >> > can only buy one gun a month... > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, but how exactly does this law mean you can only buy 1 > > gun > >> > a > >> >> >> > month? > >> >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> >> >> thought you were a criminal and not constrained to obeying > >> >> >> >> >> the > >> > law, > >> >> > or > >> >> >> >> >> did > >> >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> >> >> misunderstand you? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >> > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> It won't. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the > > identical > >> >> >> >> >> >> question, > >> >> >> >> >> >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and > >> > sells > >> >> >> > them > >> >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> >> >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person > >> > only > >> >> >> > being > >> >> >> >> >> >> able to buy one gun a month?" > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I've been an activist since I was 16 and I'm now 55. think about it. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:xZ7qj.17897$qI.9526@trnddc03... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:HI6dnZZG69TNYjXanZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > If you're talking about not giving up you win the cookie. > > Actually, you are pretty well on your way to by bit bucket. Once the > entertainment value of your utter studitity wears off, there is where you > will go. > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:cI6qj.17883$qI.7233@trnddc03... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:INSdnQ6zHr5gcjXanZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > It was a hypothetical, you moron. > >> > >> as was your being a criminal. > >> > >> Yea, you certainly have a hard time with that line between your fantasies > >> and reality. > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:046qj.17497$hF2.876@trnddc02... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:Ha6dnV9N19hkCzXanZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > So when did I say I was a criminal? > >> >> > >> >> When you said you would sell guns to criminals. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> > message > >> >> > news:Xns9A3B6148181A7Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> >> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> >> >> news:MrOpj.84299$U12.34469@trnddc06: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> > news:UbednWtJ0rcXPjranZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >> Did I say I was a criminal??? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Yes. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Scout, if it took an IQ of 100 to light the City of Philadelphia, > > this > >> >> >> guy would have trouble with a penlite. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> >> >> >> message > >> >> >> >> news:_5Npj.46140$K%.45823@trnddc04... > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>> news:Rc-dnZ16iIVfBzranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >>> > Where have I ever said I was a criminal? > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> "sell them to criminals" > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> >> >> >>> > message news:ClMpj.6414$qI.4566@trnddc03... > >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>> >> news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >>> >> > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to > >> >> >> >>> >> > criminals.....and > >> >> >> >> now > >> >> >> >>> > I > >> >> >> >>> >> > can only buy one gun a month... > >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> Sorry, but how exactly does this law mean you can only buy 1 > >> >> >> >>> >> gun > >> >> >> >>> >> a > >> >> >> >> month? > >> >> >> >>> > I > >> >> >> >>> >> thought you were a criminal and not constrained to obeying > > the > >> >> >> >>> >> law, or did > >> >> >> >>> > I > >> >> >> >>> >> misunderstand you? > >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>> >> > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >>> >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >> >> >> >>> >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >> >> >> >>> >> >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> >>> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> >> >>> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>> >> >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >> >> >> >>> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> >> It won't. > >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the > >> >> >> >>> >> >> identical > >> >> >> >>> >> >> question, > >> >> >> >>> >> >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month > >> >> >> >>> >> >> and > >> >> >> >>> >> >> sells > >> >> >> >> them > >> >> >> >>> > to > >> >> >> >>> >> >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same > >> >> >> >>> >> >> person > >> >> >> >>> >> >> only > >> >> >> >> being > >> >> >> >>> >> >> able to buy one gun a month?" > >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > >> >> >> >>> >> > > >> >> >> >>> >> > > >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >>> > > >> >> >> >>> > > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 So run. tell us how it came out. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:YZ7qj.49851$K%.26581@trnddc04... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:apydnUvMp91YYjXanZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > So you're qualified to be a mayor of a major city or a chief of police??? > > Yes. > > > Where do you serve??? > > Where ever i'm elected. > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:gk6qj.90970$ds2.1193@trnddc05... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:IeadnZkVaoO7fTXanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Ah, so you know more than the previous and current administration, the > >> > previous and current police chief, and the desires of the good people > > here > >> > in Philly?? > >> > >> "we do believe, we do believe, we do believe...." > >> > >> > >> But you know what? There still isn't a Tinker Bell. > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:cS4qj.49758$K%.19823@trnddc04... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:4fSdnY6OY5cACjXanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > So you're the kind of person that just accepts the conditions....or > > are > >> >> > you > >> >> > the kind that wants someone else to clean up the mess. > >> >> > >> >> You are the sort that can't differentiate between your desires and > >> > reality. > >> >> What you fantasize about and what is realistic. There is absolutely > >> > nothing > >> >> special about the conditions in Philly that is at all likely to alter > > the > >> >> observed results of your "suggestion". > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > People like you sicken me. > >> >> > >> >> Yea, I can see how people rooted in reality really screws up your > >> > delusional > >> >> fantasies. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> > message > >> >> > news:Xns9A3B5EC75BDCFSandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> news:5IOdna8ugato9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It's never been tried in Philly. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Does gravity act differently in Philly than elsewere? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > But you can relax. Harrisburg won't let Philly institute it's own > >> > laws > >> >> >> > and when the western part of the state you're not going to get a > >> >> >> > statewide law passed. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Feel better? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > > message > >> >> >> > news:GuOpj.46148$K%.1807@trnddc04... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >> > So give us a chance. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> It's already been tried time and time and time again. It has > > NEVER > >> >> >> >> worked. So why should I allow you to fuck people over to try yet > >> >> >> >> again. Show me > >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> >> you have any reasonable proof of producing a different result. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> >> >> >> > message news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >> >> > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have > > seen > >> >> >> >> >> no > >> >> >> >> > decline > >> >> >> >> >> in the criminal access to illegal guns. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote > > in > >> >> >> >> >> > message news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> >> >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> >> >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Is this more of your Pops advice to surrender and take it up the ass? "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:M_7qj.95941$U12.88035@trnddc06... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:39udnd8JZ89znDTanZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Why? > > Why not. > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:vz6qj.20074$Ou1.12342@trnddc07... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:ku6dnST8YdkFdjXanZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > You o.k. with one handgun purchase a month? > >> > >> No. > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:YL5qj.95915$U12.70805@trnddc06... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:Qv-dnQlsmdH29zXanZ2dnUVZ_hidnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > No, it's true in far too many cases. I've been in these threads > > before > >> > and > >> >> > there's always a couple people who start the "It's my right. I want > > to > >> > buy > >> >> > all the guns I want" blah blah > >> >> > > >> >> > Perhaps not you, but far too many of your ilk feel exactly that way. > >> >> > Screw the crime problem, have to have those guns. > >> >> > >> >> How is his wanting guns going to alter the crime problem? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > >> >> > news:47a7b6a4$0$25018$607ed4bc@cv.net... > >> >> >> robw, the top post retard wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thank you, you asshole because if the anti-gun ever does win it > > will > >> > be > >> >> >> > because of morons like you. > >> >> >> > "I want!" > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Yeah, meanwhile,the NRA tells us oh so how much they want > >> >> >> > responsible > >> >> > gun > >> >> >> > owners. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > You;re liars. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > You want to be able to buy guns and screw the consequences. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > You;re such a f cing fraud. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks for PROVING just how stupid you have become. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 No, if a dealer defied the one gun a month they'd be closed. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:n18qj.49852$K%.41351@trnddc04... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:E-mdnYX2qMX6mTTanZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > People who are legal to buy guns are doing so and selling them to > > criminals. > > > > You getting this? > > Yea, it's already a fucking crime. A crime YOU are unable to enforce. So > your solution? Yet another law which can't be enforced any more effectively > against those who are the problem. > > > Lou's?????? > > Exactly. > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:qC6qj.49773$K%.14558@trnddc04... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:pq2dnQp866i_bDXanZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Breaking the laws is generally the first sign. > >> > >> So why do you think they will suddenly start obeying the law? > >> > >> > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> > news:pR5qj.76724$N67.20198@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> > By shear numbers........yes. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> What makes them criminals? > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:d54qj.60982$k27.13050@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >>> And the felon finds these recruits where? > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> He already has people working for him. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> It might not be easy to find that many more people that can > >> >> >>> legally > >> > buy > >> >> >>> guns. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> It;s the inner city, not the burbs. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >> Are you saying that the inner city is full of criminals? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >>> news:JvPpj.91276$K27.38256@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >>>>> The one gun question..... > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to > >> >> >>>>> criminals. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> Hypothesis accepted. However, what you're describing is NOT a > >> >> >>>> "straw" > >> >> >>>> sale/purchase. > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> Does it make you feel superior to denigrate others? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Why do you feel the need to play the insult card? Because I'm > >> >> >>>> questioning your preconceptions? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks > >> > [ profit ] > >> >> >>> I'm making 900 > >> >> >>>>> bucks a month. > >> >> >>>>> (you following this?) > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> Seemingly much better than you are. > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Any questions? > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> So the felon working the straw-purchase scheme recruits more > > people > >> > to > >> >> >>>> buy guns for him, increasing the number of criminals and amount > >> >> >>>> of > >> >> > crime. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>> news:s1Mpj.91016$L%6.45696@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >>>>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>> So what is your definition and you might want to pas it along > > to > >> > Lou > >> >> >>> of > >> >> >>>>>>> Lou's pawn Shop [ Lou's Loans ] who got closed for such sales. > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Someone gives you the money and you buy a gun for them is a > > straw > >> >> >>>>>> purchase. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or several. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> In a straw-purchase scheme, a felon, barred by law from buying > >> > guns, > >> >> >>>>>> recruits someone who can legally buy guns. The intermediary > > fills > >> > out > >> >> >>>>>> forms, passes a background check, purchases the guns, then > >> >> >>>>>> gives > >> > them > >> >> >>> to > >> >> >>>>>> the felon, who uses them to commit crimes or illegally resells > >> >> >>>>>> them > >> >> > for > >> >> >>>>>> a big profit. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Lou's Loans lost its license because of a multitude of > >> >> >>>>>> violations > >> >> > of > >> >> >>>>>> federal gun laws, some of those violations were straw > >> >> >>>>>> sales/purchases--also there were illegal purchases and selling > >> >> > multiple > >> >> >>>>>> guns to a person without notifying the ATF in violation of the > >> >> > Federal > >> >> >>>>>> Multiple Handgun Reporting program. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> How does one gun a month eliminate "straw purchases"? > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>>>> news:ToLpj.90999$L%6.70175@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>>> Well, let's see....... > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them > >> >> >>>>>>>>> to > >> >> > people > >> >> >>>>> who > >> >> >>>>>>> are > >> >> >>>>>>>>> not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able > > to > >> > buy > >> >> >>> one > >> >> >>>>>>> gun a > >> >> >>>>>>>>> month? > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> That is not, by definition, a straw sale. > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> Back to the original situation and question, how does 'one > >> >> >>>>>>>> gun > > a > >> >> >>> month' > >> >> >>>>>>>> prevent straw buys? > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>>>>>> news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> from > >> > the > >> >> >>>>>>> dealer. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun > > Reporting > >> >> >>>>> program. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any > >> >> > "multiple > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five > >> > consecutive > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> business days. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> And before you even start, this would not include people > > with > >> >> >>>>>>>>> collector's > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> licenses. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's > >> > license"? > >> >> >>> Or > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> would this be a new requirement? > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Straw buys are currently illegal. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you propose to eliminate them? > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock > > yourself > >> >> > out. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You? > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >> >> >>> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 No, it was my point. Cities are obviously going to be more diverse than a burb. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:M18qj.20094$Ou1.1476@trnddc07... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:wrOdncfuLqNdmTTanZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Do you think Philly has more Starf cks than cherry Hill Nj? > > Attempt to divert the discussion is noted. > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:wF6qj.17500$hF2.12209@trnddc02... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:n5udnZjl9M8ebDXanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > So a city of millions would not have more of everything you could name > >> > than > >> > a suburban community of couple hundred thou??????? > >> > >> I see. So you don't believe in rates? > >> > >> If a city of 10,000,000 has 1,000 homicides then that is far worse than a > >> city of 2,000 that has 500 homicides? > >> > >> Further, even in the city, even by shear numbers few people are > >> criminals. > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:IT5qj.20067$Ou1.14023@trnddc07... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:b6OdnY4jnNG2fDXanZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > By shear numbers........yes. > >> >> > >> >> Proof. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:d54qj.60982$k27.13050@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> > And the felon finds these recruits where? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > He already has people working for him. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > It might not be easy to find that many more people that can > > legally > >> > buy > >> >> >> > guns. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > It;s the inner city, not the burbs. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Are you saying that the inner city is full of criminals? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> > news:JvPpj.91276$K27.38256@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >>> The one gun question..... > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to > > criminals. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> Hypothesis accepted. However, what you're describing is NOT a > >> > "straw" > >> >> >> >> sale/purchase. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> Does it make you feel superior to denigrate others? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Why do you feel the need to play the insult card? Because I'm > >> >> >> >> questioning your preconceptions? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks > >> > [ profit ] > >> >> >> > I'm making 900 > >> >> >> >>> bucks a month. > >> >> >> >>> (you following this?) > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> Seemingly much better than you are. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> Any questions? > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> So the felon working the straw-purchase scheme recruits more > > people > >> > to > >> >> >> >> buy guns for him, increasing the number of criminals and amount > > of > >> >> > crime. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>> news:s1Mpj.91016$L%6.45696@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>> So what is your definition and you might want to pas it along > > to > >> >> >> >>>>> Lou > >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >>>>> Lou's pawn Shop [ Lou's Loans ] who got closed for such > >> >> >> >>>>> sales. > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Someone gives you the money and you buy a gun for them is a > > straw > >> >> >> >>>> purchase. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or several. > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> In a straw-purchase scheme, a felon, barred by law from buying > >> > guns, > >> >> >> >>>> recruits someone who can legally buy guns. The intermediary > > fills > >> >> >> >>>> out > >> >> >> >>>> forms, passes a background check, purchases the guns, then > > gives > >> >> >> >>>> them > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >>>> the felon, who uses them to commit crimes or illegally resells > >> > them > >> >> > for > >> >> >> >>>> a big profit. > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Lou's Loans lost its license because of a multitude of > >> > violations > >> >> > of > >> >> >> >>>> federal gun laws, some of those violations were straw > >> >> >> >>>> sales/purchases--also there were illegal purchases and selling > >> >> > multiple > >> >> >> >>>> guns to a person without notifying the ATF in violation of the > >> >> > Federal > >> >> >> >>>> Multiple Handgun Reporting program. > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> How does one gun a month eliminate "straw purchases"? > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>>>> news:ToLpj.90999$L%6.70175@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >>>>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>> Well, let's see....... > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them > > to > >> >> > people > >> >> >> >>> who > >> >> >> >>>>> are > >> >> >> >>>>>>> not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able > > to > >> >> >> >>>>>>> buy > >> >> >> > one > >> >> >> >>>>> gun a > >> >> >> >>>>>>> month? > >> >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> That is not, by definition, a straw sale. > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> Back to the original situation and question, how does 'one > > gun > >> >> >> >>>>>> a > >> >> >> > month' > >> >> >> >>>>>> prevent straw buys? > >> >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>>>>>> news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it > > from > >> > the > >> >> >> >>>>> dealer. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun > > Reporting > >> >> >> >>> program. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any > >> >> > "multiple > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> consecutive > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> business days. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> And before you even start, this would not include people > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> with > >> >> >> >>>>>>> collector's > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> licenses. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> license"? > >> >> >> > Or > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> would this be a new requirement? > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Straw buys are currently illegal. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> How do you propose to eliminate them? > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock > > yourself > >> >> > out. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You? > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 You post here for entertainment? Your life that shallow? what a twat you are. "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:Q28qj.49853$K%.47309@trnddc04... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:u_idnYr3YPLomDTanZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >I could give a rat's ass about your position. > > Likewise. > > <plonk> > > Your entertainment value just hit zero. > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 ever lived in a city where kids get killed by stray fire from illegal guns? "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message news:B28qj.17540$hF2.1@trnddc02... > From what I have read, your lumping legal sales and illegal sales > interchangeably. This leads me to think you are not familiar with the > existing laws for gun sales. Ever bought a gun? > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:p_-dnfWGLdiUmjTanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Read the thread. > > > > > > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:OP6qj.20080$Ou1.18955@trnddc07... > >> Still trying to understand this. If someone is selling 30 guns/mo to > >> criminals....are they known felons, in which case the seller is also > >> breaking the law, as well as the buyer? Or are the 30 guns sold > >> legitimately, and then the gun turns the buyer to a life of crime? Or > >> are > >> you wanting to limit retail sales to 1 per month per seller? > >> .....just trying to understand what you are proposing. > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:VP-dncMSo4XlbjXanZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Really, if someone is selling thirty guns a month to cri minals and now > >> > they > >> > can only buy one what does that do for their business. > >> > > >> > I'm a retail trainer. You've apparently found a way to overcome supply > > and > >> > demand by actually offering less product at the same margins. > >> > > >> > You could revolutionize our industry! > >> > > >> > We await your enlightenment. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:NU5qj.30674$xE.18010@trnddc01... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:i-OdnXUcVI9v8DXanZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >I advocate a law that would significantly reduce the number of guns > >> >> >being > >> >> > sold to people who can not buy them legally themselves. > >> >> > >> >> Sorry, but your one gun a month law doesn't change the number that can > > be > >> >> illegally sold to prohibited people in the least. > >> >> > >> >> Your stupidity is noted. > >> >> > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:GBPpj.91279$K27.52336@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Math? What math? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Straw sales are illegal behavior, you advocate a law that doesn't > >> >> >> address 'straw' sales/purchases. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> > news:zfMpj.91023$L%6.28591@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >>> If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to > >> >> >> >>> criminals.....and > >> >> > now > >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> >>> can only buy one gun a month... > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal > >> > law--dealing > >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> firearms without a license though and as such is already > >> >> >> >> illegal. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also get > >> > reported > >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> the ATF in accordance with current federal law. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to violate > >> > federal > >> >> >> >> firearms laws. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>> news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >> >> >> >>>>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> >> >>>>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>> It won't. > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical > >> >> > question, > >> >> >> >>>> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and > > sells > >> >> >> >>>> them > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >>>> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person > >> >> >> >>>> only > >> >> >> >>>> being > >> >> >> >>>> able to buy one gun a month?" > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Why would you need more than one handgun a month? "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:c08qj.17898$qI.11743@trnddc03... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:mfCdnSRFN6IOmjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Why would you need more than one handgun a month? > > What do you care? Are you opposed to lawful citizens buying guns???? > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:Sv7qj.91821$K27.17737@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >> > Are you a criminal or an honest and responsible gun owner? > >> > > >> > >> If a criminal, then it's illegal for me to possess a firearm. > >> > >> If a honest and responsible gun owner, then why does it matter how many > >> handguns I purchase withing a month? > >> > >> What's your point? > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> > news:6V5qj.76727$N67.65466@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > >> >> robw wrote: > >> >>> If you don't have a gun to shoot me, you can't shoot me. > >> >>> > >> >> But I thought you weren't advocating gun bans--or is your true agenda > >> >> showing through? > >> >> > >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >>> news:H84qj.60984$k27.17298@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> >>>> robw wrote: > >> >>>>> Hint: we want to stop those felonies. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> That's the same thing the people who passed the law creating the > >> >>>> felonies to begin with wanted to do--stop a behavior. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> You're not going to change a behavior pattern by making something > > that > >> >>>> already illegal even illegaler. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 robw wrote: > Great point! > > Street's no longer the mayor here now and the new one really wants to make a > difference. > You'll note I didn't quote him as Mayor John Street. I don't believe that the one gun a month law addresses the "social problem". I also don't believe Nutter is willing to address the underlying problems either. > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:qK7qj.91830$K27.31854@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> Were there 400 murders where you live last year? >>> >> No. >> >> But then, I don't live were "There... this is... this is a social >> problem."--John Street >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>> news:9s6qj.76742$N67.43060@bignews5.bellsouth.net... >>>> robw wrote: >>>>> Breaking the laws is generally the first sign. >>>>> >>>> I'm not convinced the inner city is, by shear numbers, full of > criminals. >>>> I'm convinced that you believe the people in the inner city are >>>> criminals though. >>>> >>>> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:pR5qj.76724$N67.20198@bignews5.bellsouth.net... >>>>>> robw wrote: >>>>>>> By shear numbers........yes. >>>>>>> >>>>>> What makes them criminals? >>>>>> > > Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 robw wrote: > Yup, and we need more Lou's. > > You're getting it! > Since what Lou was doing was already illegal, you're saying that current laws address the problem and should be more heavily enforced. Oh, no, that's not what you've been saying, you're saying that a new law is needed because the criminals are ignoring the current laws. > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:0M7qj.91832$K27.29746@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> People who are legal to buy guns are doing so and selling them to > criminals. >> Isn't that illegal? >> >>> You getting this? >>> >> Are you? >> >>> Lou's?????? >>> >> Wasn't Lou's Loans shut down for illegal activity? > > Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 robw wrote: > No, if a dealer defied the one gun a month they'd be closed. > > Just like dealers are shut down for noncompliance with the current laws? Under 18 U.S.C. 923(g)(3), sale or disposition of more than one handgun during a period of 5 consecutive business days must be reported in writing on the ATF Multiple Sale Form. It must then be sent to the ATF office, and another copy must be forwarded to the State Police or local law enforcement agency where the sale occurred. A copy of the Form also includes the firearms transaction record (ATF Form 4473), which documents the sale or disposition of the second handgun. Under this law, buyers are not told or given notice that this form is filed with two law enforcement agencies. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000923----000-.html Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 robw wrote: > Why would you need more than one handgun a month? > > As long as what I'm doing isn't illegal, why should I justify myself to you or anyone else? There are laws in place to report multiple purchases. Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 robw wrote: > I could really care less what you think. > > I believe I brought this to your attention before. If you /could/ care less" that means you care some. If you _couldn't_ care less... that means you don't care any. Just so you know. Quote
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