Guest Magus Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 robw wrote: > If I offered you a thousand bucks to understand what I meant would you turn > down the money? > You might want to rethink that phrasing. It's nonsensical as written. > Didn't think so. > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:3O7qj.91834$K27.39717@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> Sorry, but I see you as a useless moron that excepts their fate. >>> >> Accepts? > > Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 robw wrote: > I believe what in believe in. > > Problem? > No, I just want you to base your belief on reality, current law, past experiences of other locations, and similar criteria. If you review our exchanges, you'll find that you're the one using personal attacks, insults, and anger. If you want to get a law enacted you really need to be more articulate and be able to express why the law is needed, exactly what it addresses, and is it the best way to address the problem. Otherwise you're just another nut trying to invoke an emotional response, creating a knee-jerk reaction that doesn't address the problem. > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:HQ7qj.91836$K27.24075@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> I could give a rat's ass about your position. >>> >> You're right, your mind can't be changed, and you give a rat's ass about >> another's position. That about sum it up? >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>> news:nw6qj.76746$N67.34695@bignews5.bellsouth.net... >>>> robw wrote: >>>>> You're right. >>>>> >>>>> Still not changing my mind and not trying to change yours. >>>>> >>>> Ah, but do you actually know what my position is? Specially since I >>>> haven't advocated any position, all I've done is try to educate you > with >>>> some factual information. >>>> >>>>> feel better? >>>>> >>>>> > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 You'll note that I don't care? "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:pH9qj.70203$_m.2257@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > Great point! > > > > Street's no longer the mayor here now and the new one really wants to make a > > difference. > > > > You'll note I didn't quote him as Mayor John Street. > > I don't believe that the one gun a month law addresses the "social problem". > > I also don't believe Nutter is willing to address the underlying > problems either. > > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:qK7qj.91830$K27.31854@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> Were there 400 murders where you live last year? > >>> > >> No. > >> > >> But then, I don't live were "There... this is... this is a social > >> problem."--John Street > >> > >> > >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>> news:9s6qj.76742$N67.43060@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > >>>> robw wrote: > >>>>> Breaking the laws is generally the first sign. > >>>>> > >>>> I'm not convinced the inner city is, by shear numbers, full of > > criminals. > >>>> I'm convinced that you believe the people in the inner city are > >>>> criminals though. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>> news:pR5qj.76724$N67.20198@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>> By shear numbers........yes. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> What makes them criminals? > >>>>>> > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 One handgun a month. Did I stutter? "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:xJ9qj.70205$_m.36803@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > Yup, and we need more Lou's. > > > > You're getting it! > > > > Since what Lou was doing was already illegal, you're saying that current > laws address the problem and should be more heavily enforced. > > Oh, no, that's not what you've been saying, you're saying that a new law > is needed because the criminals are ignoring the current laws. > > > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:0M7qj.91832$K27.29746@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> People who are legal to buy guns are doing so and selling them to > > criminals. > >> Isn't that illegal? > >> > >>> You getting this? > >>> > >> Are you? > >> > >>> Lou's?????? > >>> > >> Wasn't Lou's Loans shut down for illegal activity? > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Lou's wasn't closed down until we acted. "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:OP9qj.70208$_m.26299@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > No, if a dealer defied the one gun a month they'd be closed. > > > > > > Just like dealers are shut down for noncompliance with the current laws? > > Under 18 U.S.C. 923(g)(3), sale or disposition of more than one handgun > during a period of 5 consecutive business days must be reported in > writing on the ATF Multiple Sale Form. It must then be sent to the ATF > office, and another copy must be forwarded to the State Police or local > law enforcement agency where the sale occurred. A copy of the Form also > includes the firearms transaction record (ATF Form 4473), which > documents the sale or disposition of the second handgun. Under this law, > buyers are not told or given notice that this form is filed with two law > enforcement agencies. > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000923----000-.html > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 But I hope you were smart enough to get the point???? "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:1X9qj.70214$_m.21880@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > If I offered you a thousand bucks to understand what I meant would you turn > > down the money? > > > > You might want to rethink that phrasing. It's nonsensical as written. > > > Didn't think so. > > > > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:3O7qj.91834$K27.39717@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> Sorry, but I see you as a useless moron that excepts their fate. > >>> > >> Accepts? > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I could give a rat's ass what you think. You're nobody in my world. you got that? "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:%0aqj.70218$_m.25028@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > I believe what in believe in. > > > > Problem? > > > > No, I just want you to base your belief on reality, current law, past > experiences of other locations, and similar criteria. > > If you review our exchanges, you'll find that you're the one using > personal attacks, insults, and anger. > > If you want to get a law enacted you really need to be more articulate > and be able to express why the law is needed, exactly what it addresses, > and is it the best way to address the problem. Otherwise you're just > another nut trying to invoke an emotional response, creating a knee-jerk > reaction that doesn't address the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:HQ7qj.91836$K27.24075@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> I could give a rat's ass about your position. > >>> > >> You're right, your mind can't be changed, and you give a rat's ass about > >> another's position. That about sum it up? > >> > >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>> news:nw6qj.76746$N67.34695@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > >>>> robw wrote: > >>>>> You're right. > >>>>> > >>>>> Still not changing my mind and not trying to change yours. > >>>>> > >>>> Ah, but do you actually know what my position is? Specially since I > >>>> haven't advocated any position, all I've done is try to educate you > > with > >>>> some factual information. > >>>> > >>>>> feel better? > >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Like I said. I could care less. "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:zT9qj.70211$_m.58158@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > I could really care less what you think. > > > > > > I believe I brought this to your attention before. > > If you /could/ care less" that means you care some. > > If you _couldn't_ care less... that means you don't care any. > > Just so you know. Quote
Guest Wayne Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Well yeah. How about San Bernardino, CA aka the 187 capital of CA. A town of 250,000 where a day without a shooting is unusual, and a week without a fatality from shooting is unusual. The legal method of buying a gun involves your favorite one gun/month, buying only guns on the state approved list, a mandatory safety certificate, a 10 day waiting period, etc. The problem is that these crimes are committed by people operating outside the legal system of buying guns. Applying more constraints on the legal system only punishes those who follow the rules. What would be your solution? "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1I2dnYJJ2tgajDTanZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com... > ever lived in a city where kids get killed by stray fire from illegal > guns? > > > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:B28qj.17540$hF2.1@trnddc02... >> From what I have read, your lumping legal sales and illegal sales >> interchangeably. This leads me to think you are not familiar with the >> existing laws for gun sales. Ever bought a gun? >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:p_-dnfWGLdiUmjTanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Read the thread. >> > >> > >> > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message >> > news:OP6qj.20080$Ou1.18955@trnddc07... >> >> Still trying to understand this. If someone is selling 30 guns/mo to >> >> criminals....are they known felons, in which case the seller is also >> >> breaking the law, as well as the buyer? Or are the 30 guns sold >> >> legitimately, and then the gun turns the buyer to a life of crime? Or >> >> are >> >> you wanting to limit retail sales to 1 per month per seller? >> >> .....just trying to understand what you are proposing. >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:VP-dncMSo4XlbjXanZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > Really, if someone is selling thirty guns a month to cri minals and > now >> >> > they >> >> > can only buy one what does that do for their business. >> >> > >> >> > I'm a retail trainer. You've apparently found a way to overcome > supply >> > and >> >> > demand by actually offering less product at the same margins. >> >> > >> >> > You could revolutionize our industry! >> >> > >> >> > We await your enlightenment. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:NU5qj.30674$xE.18010@trnddc01... >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> news:i-OdnXUcVI9v8DXanZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> >I advocate a law that would significantly reduce the number of >> >> >> >guns >> >> >> >being >> >> >> > sold to people who can not buy them legally themselves. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, but your one gun a month law doesn't change the number that > can >> > be >> >> >> illegally sold to prohibited people in the least. >> >> >> >> >> >> Your stupidity is noted. >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:GBPpj.91279$K27.52336@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Math? What math? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Straw sales are illegal behavior, you advocate a law that >> >> >> >> doesn't >> >> >> >> address 'straw' sales/purchases. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> > news:zfMpj.91023$L%6.28591@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to >> >> >> >> >>> criminals.....and >> >> >> > now >> >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> >>> can only buy one gun a month... >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal >> >> > law--dealing >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> firearms without a license though and as such is already >> >> >> >> >> illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also get >> >> > reported >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >> the ATF in accordance with current federal law. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to violate >> >> > federal >> >> >> >> >> firearms laws. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> >>> news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> >>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> >> >> >> >>>>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> >> >> >>>>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> It won't. >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the > identical >> >> >> > question, >> >> >> >> >>>> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and >> > sells >> >> >> >> >>>> them >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >>>> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person >> >> >> >> >>>> only >> >> >> >> >>>> being >> >> >> >> >>>> able to buy one gun a month?" >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Wayne Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Why would someone want to buy more than one gun per month? Besides, the obvious answer "because I might want to"? In case you forgot.... 1. You apply for a CCW and you have to list the serial numbers on the application for up to three guns. So you need to buy up to three at one time, or wait 3 months. 2. You want to buy a gun that suddenly came available at a good price, but you just bought a gun 3 weeks earlier. 3. You are a collector. 4. You want to give your sons matching guns for Christmas. ("Give" means going with them to a FFL dealer and doing a face-to-face transfer, along with all the paperwork.) 5. You bought a gun and had a problem with it. You want to replace it, but it is already registered in your name. In this case, you are going to end up with one gun, but it requires buying two within one month, and selling one during the same month. 6. Your only CCW gun has a problem requiring it to be returned for factory repair. You have just bought a gun for non-CCW use, and you want to buy a 2nd CCW gun. 7. You took up "Cowboy" shooting as a hobby, and you don't own any old style revolvers. etc, etc. etc. "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:fNqdnaM1RKk0jDTanZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Why would you need more than one handgun a month? > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:c08qj.17898$qI.11743@trnddc03... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:mfCdnSRFN6IOmjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Why would you need more than one handgun a month? >> >> What do you care? Are you opposed to lawful citizens buying guns???? >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:Sv7qj.91821$K27.17737@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> >> robw wrote: >> >> > Are you a criminal or an honest and responsible gun owner? >> >> > >> >> >> >> If a criminal, then it's illegal for me to possess a firearm. >> >> >> >> If a honest and responsible gun owner, then why does it matter how >> >> many >> >> handguns I purchase withing a month? >> >> >> >> What's your point? >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:6V5qj.76727$N67.65466@bignews5.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >>> If you don't have a gun to shoot me, you can't shoot me. >> >> >>> >> >> >> But I thought you weren't advocating gun bans--or is your true > agenda >> >> >> showing through? >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >>> news:H84qj.60984$k27.17298@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> >>>> robw wrote: >> >> >>>>> Hint: we want to stop those felonies. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> That's the same thing the people who passed the law creating the >> >> >>>> felonies to begin with wanted to do--stop a behavior. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> You're not going to change a behavior pattern by making something >> > that >> >> >>>> already illegal even illegaler. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:PY6dneYeENK2BjXanZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@comcast.com: > And the straw dealers would get the extra guns from the leprecond with > the golden pot??? Nope. You keep forgetting that the black market is alive and well in Philly as well as any other state. Your one gun a month law will only affect dealer sales and they are already monitored for multiple sales. IOW, it will be a hassle to law abiding citizens who for some reason or another wish to purchase more than one gun in a month. It will not affect the criminal. -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:weadncOhw6bPaDXanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@comcast.com: > Do you have any idea of the concept of Best Practices???? Do you have an idea of the concept of the black market or illegal market for guns? -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:U_5qj.95922$U12.4687@trnddc06: > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3B5E57C8658Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >>> One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? >> >> Dealers are already required to report multiple sales within a week > > 24 hours. http://www.lcav.org/content/multiple_purchases_sales.pdf 5 business days. -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:Gd2dnb5rPPrRBjXanZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com: > Really? So why is Lou out of business????? Lou broke the law. You don't honestly believe that Lou was supplying all the guns to criminals in Philly, do you? He was one source. I gave you others. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3B5EA143DBESandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s- >> dnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > So give us a chance. >> >> Most guns used in crimes don't just come from dealer operated stores in >> the first place. Most of them are obtained from family and friends >> (67%), stolen (27%) or purchased on the street. >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? >> >> >> >> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have seen no >> > decline >> >> in the criminal access to illegal guns. >> >> >> >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >> message >> >> > news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >> >> >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:Xo6dnQ6ePPR2fDXanZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com: > Lou's was a start. > > But if kept one gun off the streets it was all worthwhile. > > It's not an overnight process. IOW, you just realized you stepped in shit with your comment and are now trying to move the goalposts. > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:Rh4qj.60995$k27.39904@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >> > Really? So why is Lou out of business????? >> > >> > >> >> What percent of guns was Lou responsible for? >> >> Wasn't it you who earlier said "Do the math"? >> >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >> > message news:Xns9A3B5EA143DBESandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s- dnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >>> So give us a chance. >> >> Most guns used in crimes don't just come from dealer operated >> >> stores in the first place. Most of them are obtained from family >> >> and friends (67%), stolen (27%) or purchased on the street. >> >> >> >>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >> >>> message news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... >> >>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >>>> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >>>>> One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? >> >>>> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have seen >> >>>> no >> >>> decline >> >>>> in the criminal access to illegal guns. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> message >> >>>>> news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >>>>>> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >>>>>> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> RD (The Sandman) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> > >> > > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:4fSdnY6OY5cACjXanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@comcast.com: > So you're the kind of person that just accepts the conditions....or > are you the kind that wants someone else to clean up the mess. Nope, we are just trying to get you aimed in a correct direction. One gun a month doesn't fix anything except to hassle law abiding gunowners. > People like you sicken me. Mirror, mirror on the wall. You should at least try something that will work. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3B5EC75BDCFSandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:5IOdna8ugato9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > It's never been tried in Philly. >> >> Does gravity act differently in Philly than elsewere? >> >> > But you can relax. Harrisburg won't let Philly institute it's own >> > laws and when the western part of the state you're not going to get >> > a statewide law passed. >> > >> > Feel better? >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >> > message news:GuOpj.46148$K%.1807@trnddc04... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > So give us a chance. >> >> >> >> It's already been tried time and time and time again. It has NEVER >> >> worked. So why should I allow you to fuck people over to try yet >> >> again. Show me >> > that >> >> you have any reasonable proof of producing a different result. >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >> >> > message news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? >> >> >> >> >> >> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have >> >> >> seen no >> >> > decline >> >> >> in the criminal access to illegal guns. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> >> > message news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:IeadnZkVaoO7fTXanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@comcast.com: > Ah, so you know more than the previous and current administration, the > previous and current police chief, and the desires of the good people > here in Philly?? If they think that one gun a month will fix their problems.....yes. > That's really amazing. > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:cS4qj.49758$K%.19823@trnddc04... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:4fSdnY6OY5cACjXanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > So you're the kind of person that just accepts the conditions....or >> > are you >> > the kind that wants someone else to clean up the mess. >> >> You are the sort that can't differentiate between your desires and > reality. >> What you fantasize about and what is realistic. There is absolutely > nothing >> special about the conditions in Philly that is at all likely to alter >> the observed results of your "suggestion". >> >> >> > People like you sicken me. >> >> Yea, I can see how people rooted in reality really screws up your > delusional >> fantasies. >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >> > message news:Xns9A3B5EC75BDCFSandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> news:5IOdna8ugato9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> > It's never been tried in Philly. >> >> >> >> Does gravity act differently in Philly than elsewere? >> >> >> >> > But you can relax. Harrisburg won't let Philly institute it's >> >> > own > laws >> >> > and when the western part of the state you're not going to get a >> >> > statewide law passed. >> >> > >> >> > Feel better? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >> >> > message news:GuOpj.46148$K%.1807@trnddc04... >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> > So give us a chance. >> >> >> >> >> >> It's already been tried time and time and time again. It has >> >> >> NEVER worked. So why should I allow you to fuck people over to >> >> >> try yet again. Show me >> >> > that >> >> >> you have any reasonable proof of producing a different result. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >> >> >> > message news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> >> > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have >> >> >> >> seen no >> >> >> > decline >> >> >> >> in the criminal access to illegal guns. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote >> >> >> >> > in message news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> >> >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:IeadnZkVaoO7fTXanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@comcast.com: > Ah, so you know more than the previous and current administration, the > previous and current police chief, and the desires of the good people > here in Philly?? > Perhaps, if you half the influence you aparently think you do, you should ask them to read this study from the National Institute of Justice: http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles/171676.pdf Preventing Crime: What Works, What Doesn't, What's Promising -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:fdCdnVx1JM8SBjXanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com: > I think I know a little more about the Philly situation than you do. Actually, you have shown that you don't. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3B5F789596Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news: >> _fCdnTc0TpP6GTranZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > Hmmmm. I'm a legal buyer who plies my trade by purchasing handguns and >> > selling them to criminals. >> > >> > I now can buy......oh, 30 a month. >> > If I can buy only one a month, I think that might harm my supply and >> > demand??? >> > >> > Hey ashole, you think the Tooth Fairy brings illegal guns to >> criminals??? >> >> No, ashole (sic), but you obviously haven't a clue as to where criminals >> do get most of their guns. Hint, it isn't from dealers, much less straw >> sales from a dealer. >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message >> > news:Xns9A3A9148FD8E7Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> >> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> >> >> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >> >> >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with >> >> collector's >> >> > licenses. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> >>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. >> >> >> >>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> You? >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:a5idnbZ2iJxaBjXanZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com: > You know, you're the one that's been watching too many Law and Order > episodes. Haven't watched it in years. I base my knowledge on reality. You should try it. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3B5FA4A8201Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:Gd- >> dnW8DHKSSBzranZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > "Mules"??? >> > >> > where do you live? >> >> Don't be showing your ignorance. You do understand what a drug mule >> is, don't you? Apply that to guns. -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:wMudnVlpAJ2_ADXanZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com: > I never said I was a pivotal figure. I did tell you I was part of a > small group that met with then Mayor Street and COP Sylvester. And > when he gets settled in, we are going to meet with the new mayor. So > let's tell the truth here, o.k.? Yep, we are waiting for you to do that. > We have a problem here and it's guns. People who are not legal to buy > guns are getting them from those whom are. That's fact. Even Street > and Sly acknowledged that. Oooooh, on a first name basis with the chief, eh? It seems to me that if he is listening to you, he is as ignorant about reality as you are. > We're not backing down. Most closed minded morons don't. Interesting to see you joining them. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3B5FF958D51Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> Magus <nope@noway.net> wrote in news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375 >> @bignews3.bellsouth.net: >> >> > RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> >> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> >> >> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >> >> > >> > It won't. >> > >> > If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical >> > question, he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month >> > and sells them >> to >> > people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only >> > being able to buy one gun a month?" >> > >> > What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". >> > >> >> I know. He had earlier claimed to be a pivotal figure in the >> Philadelphia action but his ignorance of reality in criminal >> acquisitions of firearms shows me that he really isn't. At best, he >> is a bit player and, at worst, he is trying to follow it in the local >> paper. >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:wcCdnS-_qbztazXanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@comcast.com: > Well yeah. > You couldn't fit all the members of the Anti Violence Partnership of > Philly in a mayor's office. > > (hint: sometimes a big group send a smaller group of people to bring > their views.) > > Moron. There you go claiming you are a key figure representing this group again. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:Y16qj.17872$qI.6690@trnddc03... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:wMudnVlpAJ2_ADXanZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >I never said I was a pivotal figure. I did tell you I was part of a >> >small >> > group that met with then Mayor Street and COP Sylvester. >> >> Key word: "small" >> >> >> > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:-tydnQl9udAZADXanZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@comcast.com: > With your knowledge of Philly, if you ever deiced to visit you might > really want to stay out of Southwest and North sections. I've been in Philly and have good friends in KoP. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3B6020DFC7Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and >> > now >> I >> > can only buy one gun a month... >> > >> > Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? >> >> With your knowledge of the actual market, I wouldn't buy stock in any >> company you were a manager in. >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > >> >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> > >> >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >> > >> >> >> >> It won't. >> >> >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical >> question, >> >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells >> >> them >> to >> >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only >> >> being able to buy one gun a month?" >> >> >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:r6SdnR_GpsFMazXanZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com: > Less guns in the hand of criminals. You obviously didn't understand the question. You gave what you hope will be the outcome. Scout asked you why would criminals obey that law when they have already been breaking several serious felonies. What would make that law different? > Your problem??? > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:a36qj.30676$xE.19534@trnddc01... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:r7udnRsrn41PADXanZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > If I can now buy 120, but it gets changed to 1, that changes >> > nothing???? >> >> So what is it about this law that suddenly makes you start obeying >> the law???? >> >> I mean you ignored federal felonies before that carry serious jail >> time. > So >> explain to me why this law is suddenly going to be obeyed? >> >> >> > >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >> > message news:Xns9A3B60905EABDSandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> news:DqidnWVjs4nrPjranZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. >> >> > >> >> > Now I can only sell one. >> >> >> >> Since that is already an illegal activity, one gun a month doesn't > change >> >> anything, you moron. >> >> >> >> > You investing????? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >> >> > message news:s3Npj.84358$ds2.38614@trnddc05... >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The state >> >> >> passes > a >> >> > minor >> >> >> law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now only >> >> >> commit > 2 >> >> >> federal felonies each month. >> >> >> >> >> >> Right, and pigs fly. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:y9mdnbvztJjVlDTanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@comcast.com: > For people like you who accept things and quit. To keep doing the same things over and over and over and expecting to suddenly have a different result is the definition of insanity. One gun a month has been looked at before (you aren't the first to stumble across this idea) and it hasn't worked. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:6X6qj.17503$hF2.12476@trnddc02... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:r6SdnR_GpsFMazXanZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Less guns in the hand of criminals. >> > >> > Your problem??? >> >> How you are going to accomplish that goal. So far, you haven't >> produced anything that has even a slight chance of accomplishing any >> part of that goal. >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >> > message news:a36qj.30676$xE.19534@trnddc01... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:r7udnRsrn41PADXanZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > If I can now buy 120, but it gets changed to 1, that changes >> >> > nothing???? >> >> >> >> So what is it about this law that suddenly makes you start obeying >> >> the law???? >> >> >> >> I mean you ignored federal felonies before that carry serious jail > time. >> > So >> >> explain to me why this law is suddenly going to be obeyed? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> > message news:Xns9A3B60905EABDSandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> >> news:DqidnWVjs4nrPjranZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Now I can only sell one. >> >> >> >> >> >> Since that is already an illegal activity, one gun a month >> >> >> doesn't >> > change >> >> >> anything, you moron. >> >> >> >> >> >> > You investing????? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > message >> >> >> > news:s3Npj.84358$ds2.38614@trnddc05... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The >> >> >> >> state passes >> > a >> >> >> > minor >> >> >> >> law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now >> >> >> >> only commit >> > 2 >> >> >> >> federal felonies each month. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Right, and pigs fly. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
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