Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I said that....when? Here's the bottom line, I and those that feel the same as me are going to push for this. Nothing you say will stop us. It's really that simple. And if you don't live in Philly, it will make not one difference in your life. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C633D4CF3CSandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:Gd2dnb5rPPrRBjXanZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > Really? So why is Lou out of business????? > > Lou broke the law. You don't honestly believe that Lou was supplying > all the guns to criminals in Philly, do you? He was one source. I > gave you others. > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B5EA143DBESandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s- > >> dnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > So give us a chance. > >> > >> Most guns used in crimes don't just come from dealer operated stores > in > >> the first place. Most of them are obtained from family and friends > >> (67%), stolen (27%) or purchased on the street. > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? > >> >> > >> >> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have seen no > >> > decline > >> >> in the criminal access to illegal guns. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> message > >> >> > news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I really don't care what you think. I know what I know. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C650C1E3BSandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:fdCdnVx1JM8SBjXanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > I think I know a little more about the Philly situation than you do. > > Actually, you have shown that you don't. > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B5F789596Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news: > >> _fCdnTc0TpP6GTranZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > Hmmmm. I'm a legal buyer who plies my trade by purchasing handguns > and > >> > selling them to criminals. > >> > > >> > I now can buy......oh, 30 a month. > >> > If I can buy only one a month, I think that might harm my supply and > >> > demand??? > >> > > >> > Hey ashole, you think the Tooth Fairy brings illegal guns to > >> criminals??? > >> > >> No, ashole (sic), but you obviously haven't a clue as to where > criminals > >> do get most of their guns. Hint, it isn't from dealers, much less > straw > >> sales from a dealer. > >> > >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > message > >> > news:Xns9A3A9148FD8E7Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >> >> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> > >> >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> > >> >> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >> >> > >> >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with > >> >> collector's > >> >> > licenses. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> > news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself > out. > >> >> >> >>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> You? > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> > >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I do, every day. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C65715E5FDSandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:a5idnbZ2iJxaBjXanZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > You know, you're the one that's been watching too many Law and Order > > episodes. > > Haven't watched it in years. I base my knowledge on reality. You should > try it. > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B5FA4A8201Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:Gd- > >> dnW8DHKSSBzranZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > "Mules"??? > >> > > >> > where do you live? > >> > >> Don't be showing your ignorance. You do understand what a drug mule > >> is, don't you? Apply that to guns. > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I was part of the group. That's all I have ever said. You seem to be the one with some kind of inferiority complex. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C65FF2D4C6Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:wcCdnS-_qbztazXanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > Well yeah. > > You couldn't fit all the members of the Anti Violence Partnership of > > Philly in a mayor's office. > > > > (hint: sometimes a big group send a smaller group of people to bring > > their views.) > > > > Moron. > > There you go claiming you are a key figure representing this group again. > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:Y16qj.17872$qI.6690@trnddc03... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:wMudnVlpAJ2_ADXanZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >I never said I was a pivotal figure. I did tell you I was part of a > >> >small > >> > group that met with then Mayor Street and COP Sylvester. > >> > >> Key word: "small" > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 The name thing is a Philly thing. When you hear/heard: Allen.........it was Iverson. Donovan....is McNabb Andy........is Reid John........was/is Mayor Street Ed..........is the Governor. We're like that. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C65DA95325Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:wMudnVlpAJ2_ADXanZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > I never said I was a pivotal figure. I did tell you I was part of a > > small group that met with then Mayor Street and COP Sylvester. And > > when he gets settled in, we are going to meet with the new mayor. So > > let's tell the truth here, o.k.? > > Yep, we are waiting for you to do that. > > > We have a problem here and it's guns. People who are not legal to buy > > guns are getting them from those whom are. That's fact. Even Street > > and Sly acknowledged that. > > Oooooh, on a first name basis with the chief, eh? > > It seems to me that if he is listening to you, he is as ignorant about > reality as you are. > > > We're not backing down. > > Most closed minded morons don't. Interesting to see you joining them. > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B5FF958D51Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> Magus <nope@noway.net> wrote in news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375 > >> @bignews3.bellsouth.net: > >> > >> > RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >> >> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> > >> >>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> > >> >> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >> >> > >> > > >> > It won't. > >> > > >> > If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical > >> > question, he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month > >> > and sells them > >> to > >> > people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only > >> > being able to buy one gun a month?" > >> > > >> > What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > >> > > >> > >> I know. He had earlier claimed to be a pivotal figure in the > >> Philadelphia action but his ignorance of reality in criminal > >> acquisitions of firearms shows me that he really isn't. At best, he > >> is a bit player and, at worst, he is trying to follow it in the local > >> paper. > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Where in Philly have you been? And King Of Prussia? A rich white suburb that takes 45 minutes to drive to???? What a f cking joke. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C66677C7DSandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:-tydnQl9udAZADXanZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > With your knowledge of Philly, if you ever deiced to visit you might > > really want to stay out of Southwest and North sections. > > I've been in Philly and have good friends in KoP. > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B6020DFC7Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and > >> > now > >> I > >> > can only buy one gun a month... > >> > > >> > Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? > >> > >> With your knowledge of the actual market, I wouldn't buy stock in any > >> company you were a manager in. > >> > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >> >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> > > >> >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> It won't. > >> >> > >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical > >> question, > >> >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells > >> >> them > >> to > >> >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only > >> >> being able to buy one gun a month?" > >> >> > >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest Wayne Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Yes, I know...one a month. That's what we currently have. It didn't solve our problem...good luck with yours. "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:E7GdnRwz2JoQczTanZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > You know what I feel. > > One a month. > > (and 250K that's a garden, not a city) > > > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:J7lqj.11059$M71.4608@trnddc08... >> Well yeah. How about San Bernardino, CA aka the 187 capital of CA. A > town >> of 250,000 where a day without a shooting is unusual, and a week without >> a >> fatality from shooting is unusual. >> >> The legal method of buying a gun involves your favorite one gun/month, >> buying only guns on the state approved list, a mandatory safety > certificate, >> a 10 day waiting period, etc. >> >> The problem is that these crimes are committed by people operating >> outside >> the legal system of buying guns. Applying more constraints on the legal >> system only punishes those who follow the rules. >> >> What would be your solution? >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:1I2dnYJJ2tgajDTanZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > ever lived in a city where kids get killed by stray fire from illegal >> > guns? >> > >> > >> > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message >> > news:B28qj.17540$hF2.1@trnddc02... >> >> From what I have read, your lumping legal sales and illegal sales >> >> interchangeably. This leads me to think you are not familiar with the >> >> existing laws for gun sales. Ever bought a gun? >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:p_-dnfWGLdiUmjTanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > Read the thread. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:OP6qj.20080$Ou1.18955@trnddc07... >> >> >> Still trying to understand this. If someone is selling 30 guns/mo > to >> >> >> criminals....are they known felons, in which case the seller is >> >> >> also >> >> >> breaking the law, as well as the buyer? Or are the 30 guns sold >> >> >> legitimately, and then the gun turns the buyer to a life of crime? > Or >> >> >> are >> >> >> you wanting to limit retail sales to 1 per month per seller? >> >> >> .....just trying to understand what you are proposing. >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> news:VP-dncMSo4XlbjXanZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> > Really, if someone is selling thirty guns a month to cri minals > and >> > now >> >> >> > they >> >> >> > can only buy one what does that do for their business. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I'm a retail trainer. You've apparently found a way to overcome >> > supply >> >> > and >> >> >> > demand by actually offering less product at the same margins. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > You could revolutionize our industry! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > We await your enlightenment. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > message >> >> >> > news:NU5qj.30674$xE.18010@trnddc01... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> news:i-OdnXUcVI9v8DXanZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> >> >I advocate a law that would significantly reduce the number of >> >> >> >> >guns >> >> >> >> >being >> >> >> >> > sold to people who can not buy them legally themselves. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, but your one gun a month law doesn't change the number > that >> > can >> >> > be >> >> >> >> illegally sold to prohibited people in the least. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Your stupidity is noted. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> > news:GBPpj.91279$K27.52336@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Math? What math? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Straw sales are illegal behavior, you advocate a law that >> >> >> >> >> doesn't >> >> >> >> >> address 'straw' sales/purchases. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> >> > news:zfMpj.91023$L%6.28591@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to >> >> >> >> >> >>> criminals.....and >> >> >> >> > now >> >> >> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> >> >>> can only buy one gun a month... >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal >> >> >> > law--dealing >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> >> firearms without a license though and as such is already >> >> >> >> >> >> illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also > get >> >> >> > reported >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >> >> the ATF in accordance with current federal law. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to > violate >> >> >> > federal >> >> >> >> >> >> firearms laws. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >> >> >>> news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> >> >>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> It won't. >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the >> > identical >> >> >> >> > question, >> >> >> >> >> >>>> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month > and >> >> > sells >> >> >> >> >> >>>> them >> >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >> >>>> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same > person >> >> >> >> >> >>>> only >> >> >> >> >> >>>> being >> >> >> >> >> >>>> able to buy one gun a month?" >> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Wayne Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 No you haven't. You only pointed out that with "one a month" I can EVENTUALLY get my wishes done. Again....only punishing those who go by the book to start with. "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:jPmdnXM8u_IkczTanZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com... > I've already pointed out where the proposal invalidates a few of those > points. > > > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:Uflqj.11060$M71.7284@trnddc08... >> Why would someone want to buy more than one gun per month? Besides, the >> obvious answer "because I might want to"? >> >> In case you forgot.... >> >> 1. You apply for a CCW and you have to list the serial numbers on the >> application for up to three guns. So you need to buy up to three at one >> time, or wait 3 months. >> 2. You want to buy a gun that suddenly came available at a good price, > but >> you just bought a gun 3 weeks earlier. >> 3. You are a collector. >> 4. You want to give your sons matching guns for Christmas. ("Give" means >> going with them to a FFL dealer and doing a face-to-face transfer, along >> with all the paperwork.) >> 5. You bought a gun and had a problem with it. You want to replace it, > but >> it is already registered in your name. In this case, you are going to >> end >> up with one gun, but it requires buying two within one month, and selling >> one during the same month. >> 6. Your only CCW gun has a problem requiring it to be returned for > factory >> repair. You have just bought a gun for non-CCW use, and you want to buy a >> 2nd CCW gun. >> 7. You took up "Cowboy" shooting as a hobby, and you don't own any old >> style revolvers. >> etc, etc. etc. >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:fNqdnaM1RKk0jDTanZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Why would you need more than one handgun a month? >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:c08qj.17898$qI.11743@trnddc03... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:mfCdnSRFN6IOmjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > Why would you need more than one handgun a month? >> >> >> >> What do you care? Are you opposed to lawful citizens buying guns???? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:Sv7qj.91821$K27.17737@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> > Are you a criminal or an honest and responsible gun owner? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> If a criminal, then it's illegal for me to possess a firearm. >> >> >> >> >> >> If a honest and responsible gun owner, then why does it matter how >> >> >> many >> >> >> handguns I purchase withing a month? >> >> >> >> >> >> What's your point? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:6V5qj.76727$N67.65466@bignews5.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> >>> If you don't have a gun to shoot me, you can't shoot me. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> But I thought you weren't advocating gun bans--or is your true >> > agenda >> >> >> >> showing through? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >>> news:H84qj.60984$k27.17298@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >>>> robw wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> Hint: we want to stop those felonies. >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>> That's the same thing the people who passed the law creating > the >> >> >> >>>> felonies to begin with wanted to do--stop a behavior. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> You're not going to change a behavior pattern by making > something >> >> > that >> >> >> >>>> already illegal even illegaler. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 So you came to Philly and did the tourist thing. Great. Thanks for visiting our city and helping the economy. But when you live here, you don't visit those spots everyday. Do you think people who live in D.C. go to the Smithsonian everyday???? And I've got news for you. When the 2000 repub convention was here, I wish I'd gotten a penny for everyone who asked us where is Pat's, where is Geno's, how do I get to South Street, the Italian Market....etc. There was a group of women who were bummed out when we told them King Of Prussia Mall wasn't in the city and 45 minutes away. Get real. "DerekSmalls" <SpinalTap@Bass.gov.> wrote in message news:47a9ed6f$0$15160$607ed4bc@cv.net... > RD (The Sandman) wrote: > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > > news:-tydnQl9udAZADXanZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > > > >>With your knowledge of Philly, if you ever deiced to visit you might > >>really want to stay out of Southwest and North sections. > > > > > > I've been in Philly and have good friends in KoP. > > I've been in Philly MANY times. > The best thing about that city is it USED to be "The Liberty Bell", > and where the Constitution of the US was written, and what real > Americans( not like Robw) thought it stood for. > > Funny how the bell was shoddily manufactured by those pesky Brits, and > cracked. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitechapel_Bell_Foundry > > Now? > More people visit Pat's Steaks! > > http://www.patskingofsteaks.com/Site/Welcome.html Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 It hasn't been done here. Progress is based on other's mistakes. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C67277A4CCSandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:y9mdnbvztJjVlDTanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > For people like you who accept things and quit. > > To keep doing the same things over and over and over and expecting to > suddenly have a different result is the definition of insanity. One gun > a month has been looked at before (you aren't the first to stumble across > this idea) and it hasn't worked. > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:6X6qj.17503$hF2.12476@trnddc02... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:r6SdnR_GpsFMazXanZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Less guns in the hand of criminals. > >> > > >> > Your problem??? > >> > >> How you are going to accomplish that goal. So far, you haven't > >> produced anything that has even a slight chance of accomplishing any > >> part of that goal. > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> > message news:a36qj.30676$xE.19534@trnddc01... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:r7udnRsrn41PADXanZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > If I can now buy 120, but it gets changed to 1, that changes > >> >> > nothing???? > >> >> > >> >> So what is it about this law that suddenly makes you start obeying > >> >> the law???? > >> >> > >> >> I mean you ignored federal felonies before that carry serious jail > > time. > >> > So > >> >> explain to me why this law is suddenly going to be obeyed? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> > message news:Xns9A3B60905EABDSandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> news:DqidnWVjs4nrPjranZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Now I can only sell one. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Since that is already an illegal activity, one gun a month > >> >> >> doesn't > >> > change > >> >> >> anything, you moron. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > You investing????? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > > message > >> >> >> > news:s3Npj.84358$ds2.38614@trnddc05... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The > >> >> >> >> state passes > >> > a > >> >> >> > minor > >> >> >> >> law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now > >> >> >> >> only commit > >> > 2 > >> >> >> >> federal felonies each month. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Right, and pigs fly. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 If you're a dealer who has been able to by x amount of guns from a dealer and now that number is one....... "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C66CEBE26DSandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:r6SdnR_GpsFMazXanZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > Less guns in the hand of criminals. > > You obviously didn't understand the question. You gave what you hope > will be the outcome. Scout asked you why would criminals obey that law > when they have already been breaking several serious felonies. What > would make that law different? > > > Your problem??? > > > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:a36qj.30676$xE.19534@trnddc01... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:r7udnRsrn41PADXanZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > If I can now buy 120, but it gets changed to 1, that changes > >> > nothing???? > >> > >> So what is it about this law that suddenly makes you start obeying > >> the law???? > >> > >> I mean you ignored federal felonies before that carry serious jail > >> time. > > So > >> explain to me why this law is suddenly going to be obeyed? > >> > >> > >> > > >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> > message news:Xns9A3B60905EABDSandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> news:DqidnWVjs4nrPjranZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> > >> >> > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. > >> >> > > >> >> > Now I can only sell one. > >> >> > >> >> Since that is already an illegal activity, one gun a month doesn't > > change > >> >> anything, you moron. > >> >> > >> >> > You investing????? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> >> > message news:s3Npj.84358$ds2.38614@trnddc05... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The state > >> >> >> passes > > a > >> >> > minor > >> >> >> law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now only > >> >> >> commit > > 2 > >> >> >> federal felonies each month. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Right, and pigs fly. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> > >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Know what? Take your "gun did nothing' and stick it up your ass. I guess if the criminal had had a knife he could have killed five people by saying "Now I want to kill five of you, so while I'm stabbing one the rest of you have to stand in one place and not run away." "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C685A3FDE2Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:E4GdnRT5po3XAzXanZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > Oh, so you're now going to ignore the case? > > > > Are you going to chant "Bad person, not the gun, bad person, not the > > gun."?? > > The truth is that is exactly what it was. The gun did nothing on its own > volition. > > > And what if it's a straw buy in Chicago? > > And they can prove it, arrest the people involved. Don't ignore them > like they appear to do in Philly. > > > You might want this to go away. > > > > We won't let it, until we find out what happened. > > Ooooooohhhhh...... > > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B6171538FBSandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:ZsednbSNhpScGzranZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > Let's see where he got the gun......shall we? > >> > >> Feel free to post it when you find out. I bet it isn't a straw > >> purchase in Philly. > >> > >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> > message news:Xns9A3A918FFF87Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:s- > >> >> 2dnWlsdeLl7DranZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> > >> >> > My thinking is that if the guy didn't have access to the gun he > >> >> probably > >> >> > wouldn't have shot and killed people. > >> >> > >> >> I would bet that his access to any gun was already illegal. > >> >> > >> >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > >> >> > news:47a766e1$0$25018$607ed4bc@cv.net... > >> >> >> robw, the top postin retard wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Smiling that this is another gun event that we'll stuff down > >> >> >> > your > >> >> > throat? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> it wasn't a "gun event", you mental midget. > >> >> >> It was a MURDER EVENT. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Yeah asshole, you keep smiling. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I just smiled at your ignorance of what happened. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> YOU LAUGHED just because a gun was used by a retard like you, > >> >> >> not because innocent UNARMED PEOPLE were murdered. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> YOU still don't care, or understand. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> > >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest DerekSmalls Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 robw wrote: > So you came to Philly and did the tourist thing. > > Great. Thanks for visiting our city and helping the economy. > > But when you live here, you don't visit those spots everyday. YOU don't live there at all. You are a homo. Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 He can all the guns he wants where he lives. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C68BFD93F3Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:ebqdnYN_vJfrlDTanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > Not in Philly. > > Then when you ran your mouth and said he could have all the guns he > wants, you were simply running your mouth. Did I read that right? > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:JX6qj.17888$qI.12262@trnddc03... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:f-6dnVnuO_yiajXanZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Unless you live in Pa. I could care less what you think. > >> > > >> > I'm responding to you because I don't back down from what I > >> > believe. > >> > > >> > Not trying to change your mind. > >> > > >> > Have all the guns you want. > >> > >> Fine, then I accept your admission that one should be allowed to buy > >> more than one handgun a month. > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> > message news:256qj.95924$U12.3479@trnddc06... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:jfOdnS2sJopbAzXanZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > Now let's see.........how can we reduce gun violence? > >> >> > > >> >> > Ah, maybe reduce illegal gun sales?? > >> >> > >> >> robw - "I do believe, I do believe, I do believe......" > >> >> > >> >> Try again when you have some FACTS. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> > message news:Xns9A3B61AE56CB1Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> news:5v-dnbAj0d7tHDranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The Anti-Violence Partnership of Philadelphia. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > We've (my wife and I) also have assisted some local church > >> >> >> > groups > > in > >> >> >> > neighborhoods where gun violence has been a problem. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Problem? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Not with trying to assist against gun violence. Of course, you > > should > >> >> >> better understand what is reality. Hopefully, your wife has > >> >> >> the brains > >> >> >> in the family, because you keep proving you don't. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > >> >> >> > news:47a77f5b$0$25048$607ed4bc@cv.net... > >> >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I belong to no anti-gun groups. > >> >> >> >> > I do belong to a grass roots group that is trying to stop > >> >> >> >> > the murders in Philly. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Name it > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 If you don't live in the city of Philadelphia you can buy as many handguns you want. Yeah, sure. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C68983B6E9Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:f-6dnVnuO_yiajXanZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > Unless you live in Pa. I could care less what you think. > > > > I'm responding to you because I don't back down from what I believe. > > > > Not trying to change your mind. > > > > Have all the guns you want. > > I want more than one a month. > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:256qj.95924$U12.3479@trnddc06... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:jfOdnS2sJopbAzXanZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Now let's see.........how can we reduce gun violence? > >> > > >> > Ah, maybe reduce illegal gun sales?? > >> > >> robw - "I do believe, I do believe, I do believe......" > >> > >> Try again when you have some FACTS. > >> > >> > >> > >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> > message news:Xns9A3B61AE56CB1Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> news:5v-dnbAj0d7tHDranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> > >> >> > The Anti-Violence Partnership of Philadelphia. > >> >> > > >> >> > We've (my wife and I) also have assisted some local church > >> >> > groups in neighborhoods where gun violence has been a problem. > >> >> > > >> >> > Problem? > >> >> > >> >> Not with trying to assist against gun violence. Of course, you > >> >> should better understand what is reality. Hopefully, your wife > >> >> has the brains in the family, because you keep proving you don't. > >> >> > >> >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > >> >> > news:47a77f5b$0$25048$607ed4bc@cv.net... > >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I belong to no anti-gun groups. > >> >> >> > I do belong to a grass roots group that is trying to stop the > >> >> >> > murders in Philly. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Name it > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> > >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Ah, so you agree with a proposed law (which I don't agree with, by the way) that the police can stop anyone for any reason and frisk them? "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C687D27C94Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:jfOdnS2sJopbAzXanZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com: > > > Now let's see.........how can we reduce gun violence? > > > > Ah, maybe reduce illegal gun sales?? > > If they are illegal, you ALREADY have grounds to stop them. > > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B61AE56CB1Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:5v-dnbAj0d7tHDranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > The Anti-Violence Partnership of Philadelphia. > >> > > >> > We've (my wife and I) also have assisted some local church groups in > >> > neighborhoods where gun violence has been a problem. > >> > > >> > Problem? > >> > >> Not with trying to assist against gun violence. Of course, you should > >> better understand what is reality. Hopefully, your wife has the > brains > >> in the family, because you keep proving you don't. > >> > >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > >> > news:47a77f5b$0$25048$607ed4bc@cv.net... > >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > I belong to no anti-gun groups. > >> >> > I do belong to a grass roots group that is trying to stop the > >> >> > murders in Philly. > >> >> > >> >> Name it > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Sorry, but I could give a rat's ass what you think and you're not going to stop me. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C68F6A8D55Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:2fudndRIJOKTAjXanZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > I understand what an operation like Lou's was helping to promote. > > I honestly don't think so. Sorry, but you have consistency shown that > your think tank is full of bubbles. > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B626525FB8Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:m-Gdna1FPsD7BDranZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > The one gun question..... > >> > > >> > Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to criminals. > >> > >> OK. You are no longer a legal buyer, but that is nitpicking. > >> > >> > Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. > >> > > >> > If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks I'm > >> > making 900 bucks a month. > >> > (you following this?) > >> > >> Getting your guns for free? > >> > >> > If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. > >> > >> You don't understand straw sales, a one gun a month limit or how > >> business works. You are comical, however..... > >> > >> > Any questions? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> > news:s1Mpj.91016$L%6.45696@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> > So what is your definition and you might want to pas it along to > >> >> > Lou of Lou's pawn Shop [ Lou's Loans ] who got closed for such > >> >> > sales. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Someone gives you the money and you buy a gun for them is a straw > >> >> purchase. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or several. > >> >> > >> >> In a straw-purchase scheme, a felon, barred by law from buying > >> >> guns, recruits someone who can legally buy guns. The intermediary > >> >> fills out forms, passes a background check, purchases the guns, > >> >> then gives them to the felon, who uses them to commit crimes or > >> >> illegally resells them for a big profit. > >> >> > >> >> Lou's Loans lost its license because of a multitude of > >> >> violations of federal gun laws, some of those violations were > >> >> straw sales/purchases--also there were illegal purchases and > >> >> selling multiple guns to a person without notifying the ATF in > >> >> violation of the Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting program. > >> >> > >> >> How does one gun a month eliminate "straw purchases"? > >> >> > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:ToLpj.90999$L%6.70175@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >>> Well, let's see....... > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to > >> >> >>> people > >> > who > >> >> > are > >> >> >>> not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able to > >> >> >>> buy one > >> >> > gun a > >> >> >>> month? > >> >> >>> > >> >> >> That is not, by definition, a straw sale. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Back to the original situation and question, how does 'one gun > >> >> >> a month' prevent straw buys? > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >>> news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it from > >> >> >>>> the > >> >> > dealer. > >> >> >>>> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting > >> > program. > >> >> >>>> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any > >> >> >>>> "multiple sales" of two or more handguns that occur within > >> >> >>>> five consecutive business days. > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> And before you even start, this would not include people > >> >> >>>>> with > >> >> >>> collector's > >> >> >>>>> licenses. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's > >> >> >>>> license"? Or would this be a new requirement? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>> news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >>>>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Straw buys are currently illegal. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> How do you propose to eliminate them? > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>>>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself > >> >> >>>>>>>>> out. If you want to legally own a million guns, so be > >> >> >>>>>>>>> it. > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> You? > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >> >> >>> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 You;re from where and lived where? "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C693C023BASandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:f5idndmLHJASAjXanZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > Name calling is a Philly thing. > > An urban thing. > > > > I thought you knew about urban life??? > > Where I'm from and in places I have lived it can get you killed. > > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B636065951Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:24ednZ278INVOjranZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > People who are collectors. > >> > > >> > Who sell them? Asshole. > >> > > >> > Make a living that way, asshole??? > >> > >> Name calling make you feel important, Robw? Make you feel, somehow, > >> smarter? How old are you? 12? > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 That's on you. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C69B04E3BDSandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:KvGdnWEUpKdHAjXanZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com: > > > If you remember I outlasted all you cats last time a similar thread > > appeared here. > > > > Nothing has changed. > > Correct, you are too close minded and we get bored. > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B63B7057D0Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:WNydne8sVKMELzranZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > I don't waver, > >> > >> Neither does a rock and you are both showing the same open > >> mindedness. > >> > >> > >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > >> > news:47a7a739$0$25040$607ed4bc@cv.net... > >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > The proposal wouldn't have effected collectors. > >> >> > > >> >> > Your next point ? > >> >> > >> >> What is your "proposal" again? > >> >> > >> >> Oh yeah..eleminate/Disinvent all guns. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I don't want to meet you face to face....why? You going to beat me up or shoot me for no reason?? Guess what? I'm a pacifist and your threat doesn't shake me one bit. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C6A50C8EASandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:PPOdndYQYfowcDTanZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > Well then come to Philly and show us how it's done! > > I already posted a link for you. You don't want to meet me face to > face. > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3C63C8251FSandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:IeadnZkVaoO7fTXanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > Ah, so you know more than the previous and current administration, > the > >> > previous and current police chief, and the desires of the good > people > >> > here in Philly?? > >> > >> If they think that one gun a month will fix their problems.....yes. > >> > >> > That's really amazing. > >> > > >> > > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> > news:cS4qj.49758$K%.19823@trnddc04... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:4fSdnY6OY5cACjXanZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > So you're the kind of person that just accepts the > conditions....or > >> >> > are you > >> >> > the kind that wants someone else to clean up the mess. > >> >> > >> >> You are the sort that can't differentiate between your desires and > >> > reality. > >> >> What you fantasize about and what is realistic. There is absolutely > >> > nothing > >> >> special about the conditions in Philly that is at all likely to > alter > >> >> the observed results of your "suggestion". > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > People like you sicken me. > >> >> > >> >> Yea, I can see how people rooted in reality really screws up your > >> > delusional > >> >> fantasies. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> > message news:Xns9A3B5EC75BDCFSandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> news:5IOdna8ugato9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It's never been tried in Philly. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Does gravity act differently in Philly than elsewere? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > But you can relax. Harrisburg won't let Philly institute it's > >> >> >> > own > >> > laws > >> >> >> > and when the western part of the state you're not going to get > a > >> >> >> > statewide law passed. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Feel better? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> >> >> > message news:GuOpj.46148$K%.1807@trnddc04... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >> > So give us a chance. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> It's already been tried time and time and time again. It has > >> >> >> >> NEVER worked. So why should I allow you to fuck people over > to > >> >> >> >> try yet again. Show me > >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> >> you have any reasonable proof of producing a different > result. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote > in > >> >> >> >> > message news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> >> >> >> > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we > have > >> >> >> >> >> seen no > >> >> >> >> > decline > >> >> >> >> >> in the criminal access to illegal guns. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> > wrote > >> >> >> >> >> > in message news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@ > 216.196.97.136... > >> >> >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> >> >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> >> >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I doubt that. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C673F9CF1ASandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:lrednTMjipxDCjXanZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > You really need to get up to speed on what's happening here. > > Obviously, I'm more up to speed on reality than you are. > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B60AA6E011Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:4fGdnTDsIspg9DXanZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > It's what's happening in Philly. > >> > >> No, it isn't. > >> > >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > >> > news:47a7b62e$0$25018$607ed4bc@cv.net... > >> >> robw the top posting retard wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. > >> >> > >> >> Why would you do that? > >> >> Federal laws "prevent" that... don't they? > >> >> > >> >> The more you spew your imaginary thoughts, the more you PROVE how > >> >> much of a jackasss you are. > >> >> > >> >> Stop watching TV! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 How many posts have you made to me that I have not responded to? "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C6995C9B87Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:R72dnXl5h8rKnjTanZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > I brought game every time I was posed a question. > > > > Fact. > > Bullshit. > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:3D6qj.11000$M71.10472@trnddc08... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:FP-dncggU5PEbTXanZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >I answered Sandman some time ago when this same type thread got > >> >started. > >> > > >> > He knows. > >> > >> I suspect you danced around then too and never did answer his > >> question. > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> > message news:yQ5qj.49763$K%.16217@trnddc04... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:7NWdnYu0IZkTBDXanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > Ah, I was waiting for this. > >> >> > > >> >> > You do remember we did this dance some time back and I never > >> >> > backed > >> > down? > >> >> > > >> >> > Not happening now. > >> >> > > >> >> > I'll respond to you, no problem. > >> >> > But your memory is apparently not all that good. > >> >> > >> >> I note you didn't answer his question. > >> >> > >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> > message news:Xns9A3B6397DF843Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> news:AZOdne9YC_QB9jXanZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Why would people who are not criminals have a need to > >> >> >> > purchase > > more > >> >> >> > than one handgun a month? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Exactly what does "need" have to do with a right? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I'm answering the questions, you cats just don't like the responses. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C6975EFC23Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > news:yQ5qj.49763$K%.16217@trnddc04: > > > > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:7NWdnYu0IZkTBDXanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> Ah, I was waiting for this. > >> > >> You do remember we did this dance some time back and I never backed > >> down? > >> > >> Not happening now. > >> > >> I'll respond to you, no problem. > >> But your memory is apparently not all that good. > > > > I note you didn't answer his question. > > He won't. He won't respond to anything that might upset his belief > system. > > >> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:Xns9A3B6397DF843Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >>> news:AZOdne9YC_QB9jXanZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com: > >>> > >>> > Why would people who are not criminals have a need to purchase > >>> > more than one handgun a month? > >>> > >>> Exactly what does "need" have to do with a right? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> RD (The Sandman) > >>> > >>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >>> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Liar, you and I were absolutely engaged in a gun issue thread some time ago. You just admitted it in another thread. Remember saying you got bored with me?????? You f cking gutless liar. No wonder you need guns. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C6958F11EESandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:7NWdnYu0IZkTBDXanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > Ah, I was waiting for this. > > > > You do remember we did this dance some time back and I never backed > down? > > You and I never danced on this issue. > > > Not happening now. > > > > I'll respond to you, no problem. > > But your memory is apparently not all that good. > > > > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3B6397DF843Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:AZOdne9YC_QB9jXanZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > Why would people who are not criminals have a need to purchase more > >> > than one handgun a month? > >> > >> Exactly what does "need" have to do with a right? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 You seem to be the upset one. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3C67F4B40D4Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:XumdnaSY-ZFSbDXanZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > One a month. > > > > Not changing my mind. > > Most close minded morons won't. You have lots of company. After all, > you are comfortable with your mistaken ideas, why upset all that? > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:lV5qj.90960$ds2.83324@trnddc05... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:ovydndgBD8p-BDXanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > Being sold to them by legal, but unscrupulous sellers. > >> > >> If they are selling them to criminals, then they aren't legal > >> sellers. > >> > >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> > message news:Xns9A3B60FAEA9D6Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> news:i-OdnXUcVI9v8DXanZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> > >> >> > I advocate a law that would significantly reduce the number of > >> >> > guns being sold to people who can not buy them legally > >> >> > themselves. > >> >> > >> >> If they cannot legally buy a gun themselves then it makes no > >> >> difference if they try to buy one gun or fifty. > >> >> > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:GBPpj.91279$K27.52336@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Math? What math? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Straw sales are illegal behavior, you advocate a law that > >> >> >> doesn't address 'straw' sales/purchases. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> > news:zfMpj.91023$L%6.28591@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >> >>> If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to > >> >> >> >>> criminals.....and > >> >> > now > >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> >>> can only buy one gun a month... > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal > >> >> >> >> law--dealing > >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> firearms without a license though and as such is already > >> >> >> >> illegal. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also get > >> >> >> >> reported > >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> the ATF in accordance with current federal law. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to > >> >> >> >> violate federal firearms laws. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>> news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> >>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >> >> >> >>>>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> >> >> >>>>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>> It won't. > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the > >> >> >> >>>> identical > >> >> > question, > >> >> >> >>>> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and > > sells > >> >> >> >>>> them > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >>>> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person > >> >> >> >>>> only being able to buy one gun a month?" > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> > >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
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