Guest Magus Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 robw wrote: > 400 murders caused by guns. > Really? Let's see... 391 murders in 2007, 85 percent of those were killed with a gun. 391 85% = 332.35 391 - 332 = 59 What was used to kill those 59 people. In the other 332, how did the guns cause those murders? Do guns give off some sort of mind-bending rays that turn people evil? Address the problem; don't impose a placebo that won't work. > That's the only fact that concerns me. > That's not a fact. > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:dE6rj.21407$1f.4471@bignews9.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> No, because you've shown me nothing. >>> >> You're the one who's made assertions without any facts/data/evidence. >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>> news:ja5rj.82505$rc2.64740@bignews1.bellsouth.net... >>>> robw wrote: >>>>> Well the law would have to be in place for that to happen now, > wouldn't >>> it? >>>> That wasn't your assertion when you said "I've shown you repeatedly." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:L83rj.93639$K27.47374@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >>>>>> robw wrote: >>>>>>> Yes, it would. >>>>>>> I've shown you repeatedly. >>>>>>> >>>>>> You've asserted it's the solution, you haven't demonstrated it would >>>>>> actually work. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > message >>>>>>> news:Xns9A3E5E708F33Sandman@216.196.97.136... >>>>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>>>>> news:NbqdndjJyYLOyDfanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The law would hinder the supply. >>>>>>>> No, it wouldn't. It only addresses the legal supply not the >>> illegal >>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >>>>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse >>> > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 So you're not smart enough to think in abstracts. "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:Es8rj.72337$_m.41518@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > Apparently I made a point none of you can debate. > > > > Comparing children with matches to criminals with guns was an asinine > point not worth debating. > > > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:sB6rj.21405$1f.4076@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> So you came up small too, huh? > >>> > >> You come up large when equating children and matches with criminals and > >> guns? > >> > >> > >> > >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>> news:p%4rj.82499$rc2.77280@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > >>>> robw wrote: > >>>>> Nice try, but I'm not for banning guns. There's not one thing I've > > said > >>> to > >>>>> that effect. > >>>>> > >>>>> If I really believed that all guns should be banned I'd be part of a > >>> group > >>>>> that wants to do that. As I've explained, I've been offered a chance > > to > >>> join > >>>>> such groups and turned them down. > >>>>> > >>>>> You really need to dial 1-800-Clue. > >>>>> > >>>> I run that hotline, you should call it sometime. > >>>> > >>>> We're not the ones equating children and matches with criminals and > > guns. > >>>> > >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>> news:I53rj.93637$K27.56485@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>> You have friends over for dinner who have two kids. The adults are > >>>>> upstairs > >>>>>>> while the kids are down in the family room playing XBox. One of the > >>> kids > >>>>>>> picks up a pack of matches, lights one, freaks and tosses it > > resulting > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> the drapes catching fire. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What would you do first? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Put out the fire, I wouldn't try to ban matches. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Put out the fire or explore and correct the behaviours? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> After putting out the fire then educate the child in correct > > behavior. > >>>>>> Maybe tell the child to not touch matches, I wouldn't tell everyone > > in > >>>>>> the house that they were not to touch matches. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Find an example that supports your position. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > > message > >>>>>>> news:Xns9A3E5E3F4B53ESandman@216.196.97.136... > >>>>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >>>>>>>> news:qKidndnK_bxxyTfanZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Waking up and not having to read another story about a six year > > old > >>>>> kid > >>>>>>>>> getting caught in the crossfire of illegal guns will make me very > >>>>>>>> happy. > >>>>>>>>> Yes. > >>>>>>>> It would make me happy too. So why not address the problem of the > >>>>>>>> criminal? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >>> message > >>>>>>>>> news:Xns9A3C99E765AEASandman@216.196.97.136... > >>>>>>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >>>>>>>>>> news:mbWdnYEJ7JX5ZDTanZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> One handgun a month. > >>>>>>>>>> Nice trite saying. The words themselves must really make you > > feel > >>>>>>>>>> comfortable. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >>>>>>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >>>>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse > >>> > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Sorry, one handgun a month. "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:vC8rj.72344$_m.57049@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > 400 murders caused by guns. > > > > Really? > > Let's see... > > 391 murders in 2007, 85 percent of those were killed with a gun. > > 391 85% = 332.35 > > 391 - 332 = 59 > > What was used to kill those 59 people. > > In the other 332, how did the guns cause those murders? Do guns give off > some sort of mind-bending rays that turn people evil? > > Address the problem; don't impose a placebo that won't work. > > > That's the only fact that concerns me. > > > > That's not a fact. > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:dE6rj.21407$1f.4471@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> No, because you've shown me nothing. > >>> > >> You're the one who's made assertions without any facts/data/evidence. > >> > >> > >> > >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>> news:ja5rj.82505$rc2.64740@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > >>>> robw wrote: > >>>>> Well the law would have to be in place for that to happen now, > > wouldn't > >>> it? > >>>> That wasn't your assertion when you said "I've shown you repeatedly." > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>> news:L83rj.93639$K27.47374@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>> Yes, it would. > >>>>>>> I've shown you repeatedly. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> You've asserted it's the solution, you haven't demonstrated it would > >>>>>> actually work. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > > message > >>>>>>> news:Xns9A3E5E708F33Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >>>>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >>>>>>>> news:NbqdndjJyYLOyDfanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The law would hinder the supply. > >>>>>>>> No, it wouldn't. It only addresses the legal supply not the > >>> illegal > >>>>>>>> one. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >>>>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse > >>> > > > > Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 robw wrote: > So you're not smart enough to think in abstracts. > They're not even similar--they are different in degree and kind. > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:Es8rj.72337$_m.41518@bignews4.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> Apparently I made a point none of you can debate. >>> >> Comparing children with matches to criminals with guns was an asinine >> point not worth debating. >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>> news:sB6rj.21405$1f.4076@bignews9.bellsouth.net... >>>> robw wrote: >>>>> So you came up small too, huh? >>>>> >>>> You come up large when equating children and matches with criminals and >>>> guns? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:p%4rj.82499$rc2.77280@bignews1.bellsouth.net... >>>>>> robw wrote: >>>>>>> Nice try, but I'm not for banning guns. There's not one thing I've >>> said >>>>> to >>>>>>> that effect. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I really believed that all guns should be banned I'd be part of a >>>>> group >>>>>>> that wants to do that. As I've explained, I've been offered a chance >>> to >>>>> join >>>>>>> such groups and turned them down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You really need to dial 1-800-Clue. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I run that hotline, you should call it sometime. >>>>>> >>>>>> We're not the ones equating children and matches with criminals and >>> guns. >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:I53rj.93637$K27.56485@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >>>>>>>> robw wrote: >>>>>>>>> You have friends over for dinner who have two kids. The adults are >>>>>>> upstairs >>>>>>>>> while the kids are down in the family room playing XBox. One of > the >>>>> kids >>>>>>>>> picks up a pack of matches, lights one, freaks and tosses it >>> resulting >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the drapes catching fire. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What would you do first? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Put out the fire, I wouldn't try to ban matches. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Put out the fire or explore and correct the behaviours? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After putting out the fire then educate the child in correct >>> behavior. >>>>>>>> Maybe tell the child to not touch matches, I wouldn't tell everyone >>> in >>>>>>>> the house that they were not to touch matches. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Find an example that supports your position. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >>> message >>>>>>>>> news:Xns9A3E5E3F4B53ESandman@216.196.97.136... >>>>>>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> news:qKidndnK_bxxyTfanZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@comcast.com: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Waking up and not having to read another story about a six year >>> old >>>>>>> kid >>>>>>>>>>> getting caught in the crossfire of illegal guns will make me > very >>>>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>>>> Yes. >>>>>>>>>> It would make me happy too. So why not address the problem of > the >>>>>>>>>> criminal? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9A3C99E765AEASandman@216.196.97.136... >>>>>>>>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> news:mbWdnYEJ7JX5ZDTanZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@comcast.com: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> One handgun a month. >>>>>>>>>>>> Nice trite saying. The words themselves must really make you >>> feel >>>>>>>>>>>> comfortable. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >>>>>>>>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >>>>>>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse >>> > > Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 robw wrote: > Sorry, one handgun a month. > Sorry, I believe there's more than 400 handguns in criminal hands already. One handgun a month is not going to solve Philly's problems. BTW, give us the real numbers of murders committed with handguns in Philly in 2007. The number you cited earlier seems to be inflated. > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:vC8rj.72344$_m.57049@bignews4.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> 400 murders caused by guns. >>> >> Really? >> >> Let's see... >> >> 391 murders in 2007, 85 percent of those were killed with a gun. >> >> 391 85% = 332.35 >> >> 391 - 332 = 59 >> >> What was used to kill those 59 people. >> >> In the other 332, how did the guns cause those murders? Do guns give off >> some sort of mind-bending rays that turn people evil? >> >> Address the problem; don't impose a placebo that won't work. >> >>> That's the only fact that concerns me. >>> >> That's not a fact. >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>> news:dE6rj.21407$1f.4471@bignews9.bellsouth.net... >>>> robw wrote: >>>>> No, because you've shown me nothing. >>>>> >>>> You're the one who's made assertions without any facts/data/evidence. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:ja5rj.82505$rc2.64740@bignews1.bellsouth.net... >>>>>> robw wrote: >>>>>>> Well the law would have to be in place for that to happen now, >>> wouldn't >>>>> it? >>>>>> That wasn't your assertion when you said "I've shown you repeatedly." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:L83rj.93639$K27.47374@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >>>>>>>> robw wrote: >>>>>>>>> Yes, it would. >>>>>>>>> I've shown you repeatedly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You've asserted it's the solution, you haven't demonstrated it > would >>>>>>>> actually work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >>> message >>>>>>>>> news:Xns9A3E5E708F33Sandman@216.196.97.136... >>>>>>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> news:NbqdndjJyYLOyDfanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The law would hinder the supply. >>>>>>>>>> No, it wouldn't. It only addresses the legal supply not the >>>>> illegal >>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >>>>>>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse >>> > > Quote
Guest RSweeney Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:6KKdnchyXpsX-TfanZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@comcast.com... > Yeah, you? You just have that childlike quality since you don't seem to understand that making something illegal doesn't make it unavailable to criminals. > "RSweeney" <dockscience@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:7didnTwPP7Pg_TfanZ2dnUVZ_quhnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:NbqdndjJyYLOyDfanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > The law would hinder the supply. >> >> And deprive criminals of guns just as it has deprived them of cocaine? >> >> You been on this world long? >> >> > > Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:F_-dnf-3Rb_BVTHanZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com: > So this creep could have killed five people with a feather? Are you so stupid you think that gun acted on its own? > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3E8ADF72699Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:HbWdnSMSjdZkBjHanZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > So people get killed by feathers every day? >> >> Probably as many as get killed by guns acting on their own. > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Magus <nope@noway.net> wrote in news:ki3rj.93654$K27.23909 @bignews6.bellsouth.net: > RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in >> news:LJ%qj.28$r03.0@trnddc08: >> >>> I asked him point blank if that is what he was proposing (1 >>> gun/mo/dealer), and was told to go read the previous postings. (Which >>> is why I was asking the question.) Kinda like disscussions with "The >>> Weasle". >> >> Not really. The weasel is a magnitude smarter. >> >> > > The intelligence might be different, but it's no contest in the honesty > department. > > As much as I disagree with robw's logic, he's up front in stance. > I agree with that, however, he is also so fixed in his ways, it is like debating a stump. -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:QZGdnSSz588- VTHanZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast.com: > I'm using terminology that used in the city. > > Gee, perhaps I do know a little more than you do. ROFLMAO!!! > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3E8B30CE0D9Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:0-ednWTmdYD0ATHanZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > Perhaps you misunderstood. >> > When I use the word dealer I'm not talking about the store owner. >> >> Perhaps, then, you should start using the terminology that is used on >> this planet. >> >> >> > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message >> > news:LJ%qj.28$r03.0@trnddc08... >> >> I asked him point blank if that is what he was proposing (1 >> > gun/mo/dealer), >> >> and was told to go read the previous postings. (Which is why I was >> >> asking the question.) Kinda like disscussions with "The Weasle". >> >> >> >> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:Xns9A3E5F6F04A13Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> > news:lcidnVUV7ucayjfanZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > >> >> >> The other side of the counter would only be able to buy one >> >> >> handgun a month. >> >> > >> >> > ROFLMAO!!! You don't even know what one gun a month legislation >> >> > addresses. Hint, it doesn't limit dealers to one gun a month. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> >> message news:Xns9A3C993D58E65Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> >>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> >>> news:2rudndTQSP0gbjTanZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > If you're a dealer who has been able to by x amount of guns >> >> >>> > from a >> >> >>> dealer >> >> >>> > and now that number is one....... >> >> >>> >> >> >>> But it isn't. If they were already breaking the law, passing one >> >> >>> gun a month won't change that. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> FWIW, dealers buy guns from distributors not other dealers. >> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 RD (The Sandman) wrote: > Magus <nope@noway.net> wrote in news:ki3rj.93654$K27.23909 > @bignews6.bellsouth.net: > >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >>> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in >>> news:LJ%qj.28$r03.0@trnddc08: >>> >>>> I asked him point blank if that is what he was proposing (1 >>>> gun/mo/dealer), and was told to go read the previous postings. (Which >>>> is why I was asking the question.) Kinda like disscussions with "The >>>> Weasle". >>> Not really. The weasel is a magnitude smarter. >>> >>> >> The intelligence might be different, but it's no contest in the honesty >> department. >> >> As much as I disagree with robw's logic, he's up front in stance. >> > > I agree with that, however, he is also so fixed in his ways, it is like > debating a stump. > He has a mantra that cures all evils--one gun a month. Show him where he's demonstratively wrong and he falls back to the mantra--one gun a month. Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 RD (The Sandman) wrote: > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:F_-dnf-3Rb_BVTHanZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> So this creep could have killed five people with a feather? > > Are you so stupid you think that gun acted on its own? > Damn that evil gun, dragging that poor innocent man into such a situation. >> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:Xns9A3E8ADF72699Sandman@216.196.97.136... >>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >>> news:HbWdnSMSjdZkBjHanZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com: >>> >>>> So people get killed by feathers every day? >>> Probably as many as get killed by guns acting on their own. > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 I note your incompetence and surrender. Thanks! "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:CU9rj.72578$_m.37570@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > So you're not smart enough to think in abstracts. > > > > They're not even similar--they are different in degree and kind. > > > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:Es8rj.72337$_m.41518@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> Apparently I made a point none of you can debate. > >>> > >> Comparing children with matches to criminals with guns was an asinine > >> point not worth debating. > >> > >> > >> > >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>> news:sB6rj.21405$1f.4076@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > >>>> robw wrote: > >>>>> So you came up small too, huh? > >>>>> > >>>> You come up large when equating children and matches with criminals and > >>>> guns? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>> news:p%4rj.82499$rc2.77280@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>> Nice try, but I'm not for banning guns. There's not one thing I've > >>> said > >>>>> to > >>>>>>> that effect. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If I really believed that all guns should be banned I'd be part of a > >>>>> group > >>>>>>> that wants to do that. As I've explained, I've been offered a chance > >>> to > >>>>> join > >>>>>>> such groups and turned them down. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You really need to dial 1-800-Clue. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> I run that hotline, you should call it sometime. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We're not the ones equating children and matches with criminals and > >>> guns. > >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>>>> news:I53rj.93637$K27.56485@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>>>> You have friends over for dinner who have two kids. The adults are > >>>>>>> upstairs > >>>>>>>>> while the kids are down in the family room playing XBox. One of > > the > >>>>> kids > >>>>>>>>> picks up a pack of matches, lights one, freaks and tosses it > >>> resulting > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> the drapes catching fire. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> What would you do first? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Put out the fire, I wouldn't try to ban matches. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Put out the fire or explore and correct the behaviours? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> After putting out the fire then educate the child in correct > >>> behavior. > >>>>>>>> Maybe tell the child to not touch matches, I wouldn't tell everyone > >>> in > >>>>>>>> the house that they were not to touch matches. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Find an example that supports your position. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >>> message > >>>>>>>>> news:Xns9A3E5E3F4B53ESandman@216.196.97.136... > >>>>>>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >>>>>>>>>> news:qKidndnK_bxxyTfanZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Waking up and not having to read another story about a six year > >>> old > >>>>>>> kid > >>>>>>>>>>> getting caught in the crossfire of illegal guns will make me > > very > >>>>>>>>>> happy. > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes. > >>>>>>>>>> It would make me happy too. So why not address the problem of > > the > >>>>>>>>>> criminal? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >>>>> message > >>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns9A3C99E765AEASandman@216.196.97.136... > >>>>>>>>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >>>>>>>>>>>> news:mbWdnYEJ7JX5ZDTanZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> One handgun a month. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nice trite saying. The words themselves must really make you > >>> feel > >>>>>>>>>>>> comfortable. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >>>>>>>>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >>>>>>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse > >>> > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 By what, 15%? Message still on. "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:nX9rj.72580$_m.28035@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > Sorry, one handgun a month. > > > > Sorry, I believe there's more than 400 handguns in criminal hands > already. One handgun a month is not going to solve Philly's problems. > > BTW, give us the real numbers of murders committed with handguns in > Philly in 2007. The number you cited earlier seems to be inflated. > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:vC8rj.72344$_m.57049@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> 400 murders caused by guns. > >>> > >> Really? > >> > >> Let's see... > >> > >> 391 murders in 2007, 85 percent of those were killed with a gun. > >> > >> 391 85% = 332.35 > >> > >> 391 - 332 = 59 > >> > >> What was used to kill those 59 people. > >> > >> In the other 332, how did the guns cause those murders? Do guns give off > >> some sort of mind-bending rays that turn people evil? > >> > >> Address the problem; don't impose a placebo that won't work. > >> > >>> That's the only fact that concerns me. > >>> > >> That's not a fact. > >> > >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>> news:dE6rj.21407$1f.4471@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > >>>> robw wrote: > >>>>> No, because you've shown me nothing. > >>>>> > >>>> You're the one who's made assertions without any facts/data/evidence. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>> news:ja5rj.82505$rc2.64740@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>> Well the law would have to be in place for that to happen now, > >>> wouldn't > >>>>> it? > >>>>>> That wasn't your assertion when you said "I've shown you repeatedly." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>>>> news:L83rj.93639$K27.47374@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Yes, it would. > >>>>>>>>> I've shown you repeatedly. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You've asserted it's the solution, you haven't demonstrated it > > would > >>>>>>>> actually work. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >>> message > >>>>>>>>> news:Xns9A3E5E708F33Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >>>>>>>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >>>>>>>>>> news:NbqdndjJyYLOyDfanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The law would hinder the supply. > >>>>>>>>>> No, it wouldn't. It only addresses the legal supply not the > >>>>> illegal > >>>>>>>>>> one. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> RD (The Sandman) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >>>>>>>>>> to terrorism is much, much worse > >>> > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Are you stupid enough to know the creep couldn't have killed five people with a feather? And if he had a knife I'm willing to bet it also wouldn't have been five people. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3F5980C23E9Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:F_-dnf-3Rb_BVTHanZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > So this creep could have killed five people with a feather? > > Are you so stupid you think that gun acted on its own? > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3E8ADF72699Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:HbWdnSMSjdZkBjHanZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > So people get killed by feathers every day? > >> > >> Probably as many as get killed by guns acting on their own. > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Without that evil gun perhaps five women wouldn't be dead. "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:OCkrj.82979$rc2.65772@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > RD (The Sandman) wrote: > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > > news:F_-dnf-3Rb_BVTHanZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > >> So this creep could have killed five people with a feather? > > > > Are you so stupid you think that gun acted on its own? > > > > Damn that evil gun, dragging that poor innocent man into such a situation. > > > >> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:Xns9A3E8ADF72699Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >>> news:HbWdnSMSjdZkBjHanZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com: > >>> > >>>> So people get killed by feathers every day? > >>> Probably as many as get killed by guns acting on their own. > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 We were out late with friends last night. Told them about our little discussion and asked them what they would have thought if I had been talking about illegal guns and used the word dealer. To a person they concurred. They also said you were an asshole (at least I've been kinder) and mused if you had ever been to a city. Keep laughing. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3F59C56FE53Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:QZGdnSSz588- > VTHanZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > I'm using terminology that used in the city. > > > > Gee, perhaps I do know a little more than you do. > > ROFLMAO!!! > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3E8B30CE0D9Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:0-ednWTmdYD0ATHanZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > Perhaps you misunderstood. > >> > When I use the word dealer I'm not talking about the store owner. > >> > >> Perhaps, then, you should start using the terminology that is used on > >> this planet. > >> > >> > >> > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message > >> > news:LJ%qj.28$r03.0@trnddc08... > >> >> I asked him point blank if that is what he was proposing (1 > >> > gun/mo/dealer), > >> >> and was told to go read the previous postings. (Which is why I was > >> >> asking the question.) Kinda like disscussions with "The Weasle". > >> >> > >> >> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > message > >> >> news:Xns9A3E5F6F04A13Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> > news:lcidnVUV7ucayjfanZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> > > >> >> >> The other side of the counter would only be able to buy one > >> >> >> handgun a month. > >> >> > > >> >> > ROFLMAO!!! You don't even know what one gun a month legislation > >> >> > addresses. Hint, it doesn't limit dealers to one gun a month. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> message news:Xns9A3C993D58E65Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> >>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >>> news:2rudndTQSP0gbjTanZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > If you're a dealer who has been able to by x amount of guns > >> >> >>> > from a > >> >> >>> dealer > >> >> >>> > and now that number is one....... > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> But it isn't. If they were already breaking the law, passing > one > >> >> >>> gun a month won't change that. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> FWIW, dealers buy guns from distributors not other dealers. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 It's called having the convictions of one's beliefs. You;re doing the same thing. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3F59A1C2A42Sandman@216.196.97.136... > Magus <nope@noway.net> wrote in news:ki3rj.93654$K27.23909 > @bignews6.bellsouth.net: > > > RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in > >> news:LJ%qj.28$r03.0@trnddc08: > >> > >>> I asked him point blank if that is what he was proposing (1 > >>> gun/mo/dealer), and was told to go read the previous postings. (Which > >>> is why I was asking the question.) Kinda like disscussions with "The > >>> Weasle". > >> > >> Not really. The weasel is a magnitude smarter. > >> > >> > > > > The intelligence might be different, but it's no contest in the honesty > > department. > > > > As much as I disagree with robw's logic, he's up front in stance. > > > > I agree with that, however, he is also so fixed in his ways, it is like > debating a stump. > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 No, I go forward with my beliefs.. "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:ZBkrj.82978$rc2.54129@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > RD (The Sandman) wrote: > > Magus <nope@noway.net> wrote in news:ki3rj.93654$K27.23909 > > @bignews6.bellsouth.net: > > > >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >>> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in > >>> news:LJ%qj.28$r03.0@trnddc08: > >>> > >>>> I asked him point blank if that is what he was proposing (1 > >>>> gun/mo/dealer), and was told to go read the previous postings. (Which > >>>> is why I was asking the question.) Kinda like disscussions with "The > >>>> Weasle". > >>> Not really. The weasel is a magnitude smarter. > >>> > >>> > >> The intelligence might be different, but it's no contest in the honesty > >> department. > >> > >> As much as I disagree with robw's logic, he's up front in stance. > >> > > > > I agree with that, however, he is also so fixed in his ways, it is like > > debating a stump. > > > > He has a mantra that cures all evils--one gun a month. > > Show him where he's demonstratively wrong and he falls back to the > mantra--one gun a month. Quote
Guest robw Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Read my posts. I'm not going through the whole thing again for you. Be more prompt next time. "RSweeney" <dockscience@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:x-udnfVr3qLcsDDanZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:6KKdnchyXpsX-TfanZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Yeah, you? > > You just have that childlike quality since you don't seem to understand that > making something illegal doesn't make it unavailable to criminals. > > > > > "RSweeney" <dockscience@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:7didnTwPP7Pg_TfanZ2dnUVZ_quhnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:NbqdndjJyYLOyDfanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > The law would hinder the supply. > >> > >> And deprive criminals of guns just as it has deprived them of cocaine? > >> > >> You been on this world long? > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote
Guest DerekSmalls Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 robw wrote: > We were out late with friends last night. Liar. You don't have any friends. Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 robw wrote: > No, I go forward with my beliefs.. > even when they're based on fairy tales. > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:ZBkrj.82978$rc2.54129@bignews1.bellsouth.net... >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >>> Magus <nope@noway.net> wrote in news:ki3rj.93654$K27.23909 >>> @bignews6.bellsouth.net: >>> >>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >>>>> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in >>>>> news:LJ%qj.28$r03.0@trnddc08: >>>>> >>>>>> I asked him point blank if that is what he was proposing (1 >>>>>> gun/mo/dealer), and was told to go read the previous postings. (Which >>>>>> is why I was asking the question.) Kinda like disscussions with "The >>>>>> Weasle". >>>>> Not really. The weasel is a magnitude smarter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> The intelligence might be different, but it's no contest in the honesty >>>> department. >>>> >>>> As much as I disagree with robw's logic, he's up front in stance. >>>> >>> I agree with that, however, he is also so fixed in his ways, it is like >>> debating a stump. >>> >> He has a mantra that cures all evils--one gun a month. >> >> Show him where he's demonstratively wrong and he falls back to the >> mantra--one gun a month. > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:Dumrj.21876$1f.18319@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: >> No, I go forward with my beliefs.. >> > > even when they're based on fairy tales. Doesn't what to look like a quiter for giving them up? >> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> news:ZBkrj.82978$rc2.54129@bignews1.bellsouth.net... >>> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >>>> Magus <nope@noway.net> wrote in news:ki3rj.93654$K27.23909 >>>> @bignews6.bellsouth.net: >>>> >>>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >>>>>> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in >>>>>> news:LJ%qj.28$r03.0@trnddc08: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I asked him point blank if that is what he was proposing (1 >>>>>>> gun/mo/dealer), and was told to go read the previous postings. >>>>>>> (Which >>>>>>> is why I was asking the question.) Kinda like disscussions with >>>>>>> "The >>>>>>> Weasle". >>>>>> Not really. The weasel is a magnitude smarter. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> The intelligence might be different, but it's no contest in the >>>>> honesty >>>>> department. >>>>> >>>>> As much as I disagree with robw's logic, he's up front in stance. >>>>> >>>> I agree with that, however, he is also so fixed in his ways, it is like >>>> debating a stump. >>>> >>> He has a mantra that cures all evils--one gun a month. >>> >>> Show him where he's demonstratively wrong and he falls back to the >>> mantra--one gun a month. >> Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 robw wrote: > By what, 15%? > > Message still on. > You don't care your claim wasn't truthful? > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:nX9rj.72580$_m.28035@bignews4.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> Sorry, one handgun a month. >>> >> Sorry, I believe there's more than 400 handguns in criminal hands >> already. One handgun a month is not going to solve Philly's problems. >> >> BTW, give us the real numbers of murders committed with handguns in >> Philly in 2007. The number you cited earlier seems to be inflated. >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>> news:vC8rj.72344$_m.57049@bignews4.bellsouth.net... >>>> robw wrote: >>>>> 400 murders caused by guns. >>>>> >>>> Really? >>>> >>>> Let's see... >>>> >>>> 391 murders in 2007, 85 percent of those were killed with a gun. >>>> >>>> 391 85% = 332.35 >>>> >>>> 391 - 332 = 59 >>>> >>>> What was used to kill those 59 people. >>>> >>>> In the other 332, how did the guns cause those murders? Do guns give > off >>>> some sort of mind-bending rays that turn people evil? >>>> >>>> Address the problem; don't impose a placebo that won't work. >>>> >>>>> That's the only fact that concerns me. >>>>> >>>> That's not a fact. >>>> Quote
Guest Captain Compassion Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Magus <nope@noway.net> wrote: > robw wrote: > > By what, 15%? > > > > Message still on. > > > > You don't care your claim wasn't truthful? > Americans shooting and killing each other. I don't see the problem save for how it doesn't happen often enough. It's time for more guns and looser gun laws. Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 9, 2008 Posted February 9, 2008 Scout wrote: > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:Dumrj.21876$1f.18319@bignews9.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >>> No, I go forward with my beliefs.. >>> >> even when they're based on fairy tales. > > Doesn't what to look like a quiter for giving them up? > > Knows in his heart that he's righteous in his beliefs and will do his damnedest to impose his will on everyone--regardless of any /facts/ to the contrary; after all they're all inner city "criminals" and they won't behave unless forced to do so. Quote
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