Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:ZdOdnRpL9_P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com... > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. Ah, so you want to limit lawful people in the hope that it will somehow impact criminals......and here you were telling us you were only interested in the illegal guns. > > And before you even start, this would not include people with collector's > licenses. What if I'm not a collector and want to buy more than one in a month? Explain to me why as a law abiding person I should have to wait? Did you tell us all that you weren't opposed to legal guns and that I should be able to own a million if I want to ? If I were to buy one gun a month starting when I was 18, it would take me over 83,351 years to buy the guns YOU state I should be able to own if I want to. Seems you have a serious disconnect in your assertions. > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> > >> > >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> robw wrote: >> >>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. >> >>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >>> >> >>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >>> >> >>> You? >> >>> >> >> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> > >> > > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:aPGdnX5Qx_BHHDranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Well, let's see....... > > If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to people who > are > not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able to buy one gun > a > month? Then you have eliminated a major indicator to the ATF that an investigation may be called for. Further, as occured here, what simply happened is you had fleets of people buying guns turning them over to this middleman who then sold them to the criminals. End result as far as criminal access to guns? Zip, Nada, Nothing, Zilch, Zero. The ATF, however, now find it a lot harder to indentify and track such strawsales since they now generate no special paperwork as occured before. I will simply note that your 'solution' involves restricting legal guns. Something you said you weren't interested in. > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> > >> >> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? >> >> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it from the dealer. >> >> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting program. >> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any "multiple >> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five consecutive >> business days. >> >> >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with > collector's >> > licenses. >> > >> > >> >> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's license"? Or >> would this be a new requirement? >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> robw wrote: >> >>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >> >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >>>> robw wrote: >> >>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. >> >>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> You? >> >>>>> >> >>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >>> >> > >> > > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:_fCdnTc0TpP6GTranZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Hmmmm. I'm a legal buyer who plies my trade by purchasing handguns and > selling them to criminals. > > I now can buy......oh, 30 a month. > If I can buy only one a month, I think that might harm my supply and > demand??? Na, you simply hire additional mules to carry out the actual purchase, increase your price slightly and carry on as before. > Hey ashole, you think the Tooth Fairy brings illegal guns to criminals??? Na, according to the BATF C.U.E. Study in 40% of the cases it is the Police Department. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3A9148FD8E7Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with >> collector's >> > licenses. >> > >> > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> robw wrote: >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >> >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. >> >> >>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> You? >> >> >>> >> >> >> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have seen no decline in the criminal access to illegal guns. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? >> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:zvidnaygLpbGzzranZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Not true. Really? So you aren't asking that EVERYONE be limited to purchasing only one gun a month? Odd, I seem to recall someone using your handle making that assertion. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3A6E194264CSandman@216.196.97.136... >> Magus <nope@noway.net> wrote in news:Zfwpj.65706$Mu4.23945 >> @bignews7.bellsouth.net: >> >> > RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> >> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in >> >> news:47a5fe4b$0$4049$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net: >> >> >> >>> if guns were illegal in public places, and he did not have a gun, he >> >>> would not have ben able to kill so many wonderful, taxpaying, life >> >>> lvoing productive innocent citizens who would have made the tax cuts >> >>> possible that gun nuts on the other hands so love to have. >> >> >> >> I would bet that his possession of a firearm was illegal. Wanna bet? >> >> >> > >> > I'd even be willing to bet that he was a convicted felon too. >> > >> > Illegal for him to own a firearm. >> > Illegal for him to possess a firearm. >> > Illegal for him to use a firearm anywhere, let alone in Chicago and >> that >> > mall. >> > >> > Murder is also illegal, that didn't stop him five instances. >> > >> > >> >> Exactly, but all these anti gunners want to take guns from the folks who >> didn't do it. >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > Quote
Guest Magus Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 robw wrote: > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and now I > can only buy one gun a month... > Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal law--dealing in firearms without a license though and as such is already illegal. And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also get reported to the ATF in accordance with current federal law. > Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? > I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to violate federal firearms laws. > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >>> >>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >>> >> It won't. >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical question, >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being >> able to buy one gun a month?" >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:s-2dnWlsdeLl7DranZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comcast.com... > My thinking is that if the guy didn't have access to the gun he probably > wouldn't have shot and killed people. Perhaps, but the issue is, would they still be alive, or would he simply have killed them and possibly more by another means. Are you worried about saving lives, or just making sure they don't use guns? > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > news:47a766e1$0$25018$607ed4bc@cv.net... >> robw, the top postin retard wrote: >> >> > Smiling that this is another gun event that we'll stuff down your > throat? >> >> it wasn't a "gun event", you mental midget. >> It was a MURDER EVENT. >> >> > >> > Yeah asshole, you keep smiling. >> >> I just smiled at your ignorance of what happened. >> >> YOU LAUGHED just because a gun was used by a retard like you, not >> because innocent UNARMED PEOPLE were murdered. >> >> YOU still don't care, or understand. >> >> >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and now I > can only buy one gun a month... Sorry, but how exactly does this law mean you can only buy 1 gun a month? I thought you were a criminal and not constrained to obeying the law, or did I misunderstand you? > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> > >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> > >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> > >> >> It won't. >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical question, >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being >> able to buy one gun a month?" >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > > Quote
Guest KerryHatch Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 robw wrote: > I'm not against concealed carry. Yes you are! > You won't find any posts where I've ever said that. > (please feel free to google all you want) YOU are against ANY gun ownership! Look up your own posts! > > I have said I think it's not effective. See what I mean? > > You're having a rehearsed argument with someone who doesn't think the way > you're expecting. I expected YOU to be a moron, and you proved it on THIS post! Quote
Guest robw Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 The proposal wouldn't have effected collectors. Your next point ? "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:l0Mpj.46128$K%.20160@trnddc04... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:TYSdnR5SR9CkzzranZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Im "get it" that morons like you have no regard for limiting illegal guns. > > How? By limiting legal guns like was proposed in Philly? > > > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3A6DEEB9FC1Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:9-idnZPN-aPEHjvanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > I'm not opposed to guns. > >> > I'm opposed to illegal guns. > >> > >> So are we opposed to illegal possession of guns. Do you get it now, > >> asshole? > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 The one gun question..... Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to criminals. Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks I'm making 900 bucks a month. (you following this?) If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. Any questions? "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:s1Mpj.91016$L%6.45696@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > So what is your definition and you might want to pas it along to Lou of > > Lou's pawn Shop [ Lou's Loans ] who got closed for such sales. > > > > Someone gives you the money and you buy a gun for them is a straw > purchase. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or several. > > In a straw-purchase scheme, a felon, barred by law from buying guns, > recruits someone who can legally buy guns. The intermediary fills out > forms, passes a background check, purchases the guns, then gives them to > the felon, who uses them to commit crimes or illegally resells them for > a big profit. > > Lou's Loans lost its license because of a multitude of violations of > federal gun laws, some of those violations were straw > sales/purchases--also there were illegal purchases and selling multiple > guns to a person without notifying the ATF in violation of the Federal > Multiple Handgun Reporting program. > > How does one gun a month eliminate "straw purchases"? > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:ToLpj.90999$L%6.70175@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >>> Well, let's see....... > >>> > >>> If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to people who > > are > >>> not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able to buy one > > gun a > >>> month? > >>> > >> That is not, by definition, a straw sale. > >> > >> Back to the original situation and question, how does 'one gun a month' > >> prevent straw buys? > >> > >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>> news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >>>> robw wrote: > >>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >>>>> > >>>> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? > >>>> > >>>> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it from the > > dealer. > >>>> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting program. > >>>> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any "multiple > >>>> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five consecutive > >>>> business days. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> And before you even start, this would not include people with > >>> collector's > >>>>> licenses. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's license"? Or > >>>> would this be a new requirement? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>> news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Straw buys are currently illegal. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How do you propose to eliminate them? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>>>>>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >>>>>>>> robw wrote: > >>>>>>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. > >>>>>>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >>> > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 No. In Philly the people buying the guns are selling them to the criminals. you don't live in a major city, do you? "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:U9Mpj.19896$Ou1.19084@trnddc07... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:aPGdnX5Qx_BHHDranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Well, let's see....... > > > > If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to people who > > are > > not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able to buy one gun > > a > > month? > > Then you have eliminated a major indicator to the ATF that an investigation > may be called for. Further, as occured here, what simply happened is you had > fleets of people buying guns turning them over to this middleman who then > sold them to the criminals. End result as far as criminal access to guns? > Zip, Nada, Nothing, Zilch, Zero. The ATF, however, now find it a lot harder > to indentify and track such strawsales since they now generate no special > paperwork as occured before. > > I will simply note that your 'solution' involves restricting legal guns. > Something you said you weren't interested in. > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> > > >> > >> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? > >> > >> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it from the dealer. > >> > >> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting program. > >> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any "multiple > >> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five consecutive > >> business days. > >> > >> > >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with > > collector's > >> > licenses. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's license"? Or > >> would this be a new requirement? > >> > >> > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> >> robw wrote: > >> >>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. > >> >> > >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >>>> robw wrote: > >> >>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. > >> >>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> You? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "Mules"??? where do you live? "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:CbMpj.46131$K%.670@trnddc04... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:_fCdnTc0TpP6GTranZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Hmmmm. I'm a legal buyer who plies my trade by purchasing handguns and > > selling them to criminals. > > > > I now can buy......oh, 30 a month. > > If I can buy only one a month, I think that might harm my supply and > > demand??? > > Na, you simply hire additional mules to carry out the actual purchase, > increase your price slightly and carry on as before. > > > Hey ashole, you think the Tooth Fairy brings illegal guns to criminals??? > > Na, according to the BATF C.U.E. Study in 40% of the cases it is the Police > Department. > > > > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:Xns9A3A9148FD8E7Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> > >> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >> > >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with > >> collector's > >> > licenses. > >> > > >> > > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. > >> >> > >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> >> robw wrote: > >> >> >>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. > >> >> >>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> You? > >> >> >>> > >> >> >> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> RD (The Sandman) > >> > >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 wanna come up to Philly and I'll buy a drink with that 8k???? "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message news:47a78ae2$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net... > robw, thr top[ posting retard wrote: > > > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and now I > > can only buy one gun a month... > > That would be a federal crime, you jackass. > Have you EVER paid attention? > > > > Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? > > You aren't smart enough to own a company. > Hells bells! > > You also lied when you said you won 8k on the Superbowl. > > Your so full of shit, you make your brown eye blue! > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 Do the math and get back to me. "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message news:zfMpj.91023$L%6.28591@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > robw wrote: > > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and now I > > can only buy one gun a month... > > > > Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal law--dealing in > firearms without a license though and as such is already illegal. > > And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also get reported to > the ATF in accordance with current federal law. > > > > Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? > > > > I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to violate federal > firearms laws. > > > > > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >>> > >>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >>> > >> It won't. > >> > >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical question, > >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to > >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being > >> able to buy one gun a month?" > >> > >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 Where have I ever said I was a criminal? "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:ClMpj.6414$qI.4566@trnddc03... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and now I > > can only buy one gun a month... > > Sorry, but how exactly does this law mean you can only buy 1 gun a month? I > thought you were a criminal and not constrained to obeying the law, or did I > misunderstand you? > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> > > >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >> > > >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >> > > >> > >> It won't. > >> > >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical question, > >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to > >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being > >> able to buy one gun a month?" > >> > >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > > > > > > Quote
Guest robw Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 Why would you have a need to buy more than one handgun a month? "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message news:j6Mpj.75571$U12.49704@trnddc06... > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:ZdOdnRpL9_P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > > Ah, so you want to limit lawful people in the hope that it will somehow > impact criminals......and here you were telling us you were only interested > in the illegal guns. > > > > > And before you even start, this would not include people with collector's > > licenses. > > What if I'm not a collector and want to buy more than one in a month? > > Explain to me why as a law abiding person I should have to wait? > > Did you tell us all that you weren't opposed to legal guns and that I should > be able to own a million if I want to ? > > If I were to buy one gun a month starting when I was 18, it would take me > over 83,351 years to buy the guns YOU state I should be able to own if I > want to. > > Seems you have a serious disconnect in your assertions. > > > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > >> robw wrote: > >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Straw buys are currently illegal. > >> > >> How do you propose to eliminate them? > >> > >> > >> > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >> > news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >> >> robw wrote: > >> >>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. > >> >>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. > >> >>> > >> >>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. > >> >>> > >> >>> You? > >> >>> > >> >> How do you suggest that be accomplished? > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:2pKdnakv2-DxBTranZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > The proposal wouldn't have effected collectors. Really? Every lawful citizen is a gun collector? If not, then you have yet to address the point made. > > Your next point ? That you couldn't address the point about Philly, a topic you brought to the table, BTW. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:l0Mpj.46128$K%.20160@trnddc04... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:TYSdnR5SR9CkzzranZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Im "get it" that morons like you have no regard for limiting illegal > guns. >> >> How? By limiting legal guns like was proposed in Philly? >> >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message >> > news:Xns9A3A6DEEB9FC1Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> news:9-idnZPN-aPEHjvanZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> > I'm not opposed to guns. >> >> > I'm opposed to illegal guns. >> >> >> >> So are we opposed to illegal possession of guns. Do you get it now, >> >> asshole? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:m-Gdna1FPsD7BDranZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > The one gun question..... > > Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to criminals. Sorry, but there is no such thing. > > Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. > > If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks I'm making 900 > bucks a month. > (you following this?) > > If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. I see, so you are willing to engage in federal crimes which for each purchase/sale carries a mandatory minimum of 10 years in the federal pen, and you think some piddly ass state statute is suddenly going to matter to you? I thought you were a criminal who didn't care about the law? So why are you suggesting that you would suddenly start obeying this particular law when you've already ignored all the others. For that matter why would any other criminal? Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:dpKdnbObuusmBDranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > No. In Philly the people buying the guns are selling them to the > criminals. Proof please that eveyone who buys a gun in Philly is engaged in straw sales. > > you don't live in a major city, do you? I have, and still didnt' see what you blindly assert. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:U9Mpj.19896$Ou1.19084@trnddc07... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:aPGdnX5Qx_BHHDranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Well, let's see....... >> > >> > If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to people >> > who >> > are >> > not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able to buy one > gun >> > a >> > month? >> >> Then you have eliminated a major indicator to the ATF that an > investigation >> may be called for. Further, as occured here, what simply happened is you > had >> fleets of people buying guns turning them over to this middleman who then >> sold them to the criminals. End result as far as criminal access to guns? >> Zip, Nada, Nothing, Zilch, Zero. The ATF, however, now find it a lot > harder >> to indentify and track such strawsales since they now generate no special >> paperwork as occured before. >> >> I will simply note that your 'solution' involves restricting legal guns. >> Something you said you weren't interested in. >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> robw wrote: >> >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> > >> >> >> >> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? >> >> >> >> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it from the > dealer. >> >> >> >> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting program. >> >> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any "multiple >> >> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five consecutive >> >> business days. >> >> >> >> >> >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with >> > collector's >> >> > licenses. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's license"? Or >> >> would this be a new requirement? >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >>>> robw wrote: >> >> >>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. >> >> >>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> You? >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:kpqdnfNprPrEBzranZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@comcast.com... > wanna come up to Philly and I'll buy a drink with that 8k???? I doubt he wants a drink of sewer water. > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > news:47a78ae2$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net... >> robw, thr top[ posting retard wrote: >> >> > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and now > I >> > can only buy one gun a month... >> >> That would be a federal crime, you jackass. >> Have you EVER paid attention? >> >> >> > Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? >> >> You aren't smart enough to own a company. >> Hells bells! >> >> You also lied when you said you won 8k on the Superbowl. >> >> Your so full of shit, you make your brown eye blue! >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > Do the math and get back to me. Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The state passes a minor law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now only commit 2 federal felonies each month. Right, and pigs fly. Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Rc-dnZ16iIVfBzranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Where have I ever said I was a criminal? "sell them to criminals" > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:ClMpj.6414$qI.4566@trnddc03... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and now > I >> > can only buy one gun a month... >> >> Sorry, but how exactly does this law mean you can only buy 1 gun a month? > I >> thought you were a criminal and not constrained to obeying the law, or >> did > I >> misunderstand you? >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > >> >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> > >> >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >> > >> >> >> >> It won't. >> >> >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical >> >> question, >> >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them > to >> >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being >> >> able to buy one gun a month?" >> >> >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Scout Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:3bCdnVs6e69tBzranZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Why would you have a need to buy more than one handgun a month? Because I want more than one gun this month. My rights aren't limited to just that which you think I need. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:j6Mpj.75571$U12.49704@trnddc06... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:ZdOdnRpL9_P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> Ah, so you want to limit lawful people in the hope that it will somehow >> impact criminals......and here you were telling us you were only > interested >> in the illegal guns. >> >> > >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with > collector's >> > licenses. >> >> What if I'm not a collector and want to buy more than one in a month? >> >> Explain to me why as a law abiding person I should have to wait? >> >> Did you tell us all that you weren't opposed to legal guns and that I > should >> be able to own a million if I want to ? >> >> If I were to buy one gun a month starting when I was 18, it would take me >> over 83,351 years to buy the guns YOU state I should be able to own if I >> want to. >> >> Seems you have a serious disconnect in your assertions. >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> robw wrote: >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >> >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. >> >> >>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> You? >> >> >>> >> >> >> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > Quote
Guest Jim Bianchi Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:11:41 -0500, robw wrote: > My thinking is that if the guy didn't have access to the gun he probably > wouldn't have shot and killed people. So. To prevent further incidents of criminals having access to a gun, you want to stop me from buying any more? Of course, the murder of those people is the overriding event, to the point that, if he is punished for a crime, it will NOT be 'possessing a firearm in the commission of a felony' but rather the crime of murder. Just as he would've been had he used, say, a knife, or a bomb. What good would your proposed 'anti-straw purchase' ordinance done then? -- jimbo@sonic.net Quote
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