Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s- dnZ2d@comcast.com: > So give us a chance. Most guns used in crimes don't just come from dealer operated stores in the first place. Most of them are obtained from family and friends (67%), stolen (27%) or purchased on the street. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? >> >> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have seen no > decline >> in the criminal access to illegal guns. >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message >> > news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:5IOdna8ugato9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com: > It's never been tried in Philly. Does gravity act differently in Philly than elsewere? > But you can relax. Harrisburg won't let Philly institute it's own laws > and when the western part of the state you're not going to get a > statewide law passed. > > Feel better? > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:GuOpj.46148$K%.1807@trnddc04... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > So give us a chance. >> >> It's already been tried time and time and time again. It has NEVER >> worked. So why should I allow you to fuck people over to try yet >> again. Show me > that >> you have any reasonable proof of producing a different result. >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >> > message news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? >> >> >> >> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have seen >> >> no >> > decline >> >> in the criminal access to illegal guns. >> >> >> >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> > message news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >> >> >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news: _fCdnTc0TpP6GTranZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@comcast.com: > Hmmmm. I'm a legal buyer who plies my trade by purchasing handguns and > selling them to criminals. > > I now can buy......oh, 30 a month. > If I can buy only one a month, I think that might harm my supply and > demand??? > > Hey ashole, you think the Tooth Fairy brings illegal guns to criminals??? No, ashole (sic), but you obviously haven't a clue as to where criminals do get most of their guns. Hint, it isn't from dealers, much less straw sales from a dealer. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3A9148FD8E7Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with >> collector's >> > licenses. >> > >> > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> robw wrote: >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >> >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. >> >> >>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> You? >> >> >>> >> >> >> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:Gd- dnW8DHKSSBzranZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@comcast.com: > "Mules"??? > > where do you live? Don't be showing your ignorance. You do understand what a drug mule is, don't you? Apply that to guns. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:CbMpj.46131$K%.670@trnddc04... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:_fCdnTc0TpP6GTranZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Hmmmm. I'm a legal buyer who plies my trade by purchasing handguns and >> > selling them to criminals. >> > >> > I now can buy......oh, 30 a month. >> > If I can buy only one a month, I think that might harm my supply and >> > demand??? >> >> Na, you simply hire additional mules to carry out the actual purchase, >> increase your price slightly and carry on as before. >> >> > Hey ashole, you think the Tooth Fairy brings illegal guns to > criminals??? >> >> Na, according to the BATF C.U.E. Study in 40% of the cases it is the > Police >> Department. >> >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message >> > news:Xns9A3A9148FD8E7Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> >> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> >> >> > Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> >> >> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >> >> >> > And before you even start, this would not include people with >> >> collector's >> >> > licenses. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> >> >> robw wrote: >> >> >> >>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself out. >> >> >> >>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> You? >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Magus <nope@noway.net> wrote in news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375 @bignews3.bellsouth.net: > RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> > > It won't. > > If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical question, > he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to > people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being > able to buy one gun a month?" > > What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > I know. He had earlier claimed to be a pivotal figure in the Philadelphia action but his ignorance of reality in criminal acquisitions of firearms shows me that he really isn't. At best, he is a bit player and, at worst, he is trying to follow it in the local paper. -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com: > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and now I > can only buy one gun a month... > > Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? With your knowledge of the actual market, I wouldn't buy stock in any company you were a manager in. > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> > >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> > >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> > >> >> It won't. >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical question, >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being >> able to buy one gun a month?" >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com: > Do the math and get back to me. No math to be done. > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:zfMpj.91023$L%6.28591@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >> > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to criminals.....and >> > now > I >> > can only buy one gun a month... >> > >> >> Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal law--dealing >> in firearms without a license though and as such is already illegal. >> >> And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also get reported >> to the ATF in accordance with current federal law. >> >> >> > Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? >> > >> >> I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to violate federal >> firearms laws. >> >> > >> > >> > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> >>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> >>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >>> >> >>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >>> >> >> It won't. >> >> >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical >> >> question, he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month >> >> and sells them > to >> >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only >> >> being able to buy one gun a month?" >> >> >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". >> > >> > > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:DqidnWVjs4nrPjranZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com: > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. > > Now I can only sell one. Since that is already an illegal activity, one gun a month doesn't change anything, you moron. > You investing????? > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:s3Npj.84358$ds2.38614@trnddc05... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > Do the math and get back to me. >> >> Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The state passes a > minor >> law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now only commit 2 >> federal felonies each month. >> >> Right, and pigs fly. >> >> > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:4fGdnTDsIspg9DXanZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com: > It's what's happening in Philly. No, it isn't. > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > news:47a7b62e$0$25018$607ed4bc@cv.net... >> robw the top posting retard wrote: >> >> > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. >> >> Why would you do that? >> Federal laws "prevent" that... don't they? >> >> The more you spew your imaginary thoughts, the more you PROVE how much >> of a jackasss you are. >> >> Stop watching TV! > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:_fCdnbVdD46S8zXanZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@comcast.com: > Hint: we want to stop those felonies. Then arrest those committing them. Even you should be bright enough to figure that out. > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:QDPpj.91281$K27.88919@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >> > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. >> > >> >> And each instance of you doing so is a felony. >> >> > Now I can only sell one. >> > >> >> No, now you can only buy one from a FFL dealer. >> >> > You investing????? >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >> > message news:s3Npj.84358$ds2.38614@trnddc05... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:v-SdnYIoNbMQBzranZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >>> Do the math and get back to me. >> >> Ok, You engage in 120 federal felonies every month. The state >> >> passes a >> > minor >> >> law and suddenly you change your ways, seek God, and now only >> >> commit 2 federal felonies each month. >> >> >> >> Right, and pigs fly. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:i-OdnXUcVI9v8DXanZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com: > I advocate a law that would significantly reduce the number of guns > being sold to people who can not buy them legally themselves. If they cannot legally buy a gun themselves then it makes no difference if they try to buy one gun or fifty. > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:GBPpj.91279$K27.52336@bignews6.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >> > Do the math and get back to me. >> > >> >> Math? What math? >> >> Straw sales are illegal behavior, you advocate a law that doesn't >> address 'straw' sales/purchases. >> >> >> >> > >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:zfMpj.91023$L%6.28591@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> robw wrote: >> >>> If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to >> >>> criminals.....and > now >> > I >> >>> can only buy one gun a month... >> >>> >> >> Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal >> >> law--dealing > in >> >> firearms without a license though and as such is already illegal. >> >> >> >> And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also get >> >> reported > to >> >> the ATF in accordance with current federal law. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ya' wanna buy stock in my company????? >> >>> >> >> I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to violate >> >> federal firearms laws. >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >>> news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >> >>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >> >>>>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >>>>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >> >>>>> >> >>>> It won't. >> >>>> >> >>>> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical > question, >> >>>> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells >> >>>> them >> > to >> >>>> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person only >> >>>> being able to buy one gun a month?" >> >>>> >> >>>> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". >> >>> >> > >> > > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:MrOpj.84299$U12.34469@trnddc06: > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:UbednWtJ0rcXPjranZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@comcast.com... >> Did I say I was a criminal??? > > Yes. Scout, if it took an IQ of 100 to light the City of Philadelphia, this guy would have trouble with a penlite. >> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message >> news:_5Npj.46140$K%.45823@trnddc04... >>> >>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> news:Rc-dnZ16iIVfBzranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> > Where have I ever said I was a criminal? >>> >>> "sell them to criminals" >>> >>> >>> >>> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >>> > message news:ClMpj.6414$qI.4566@trnddc03... >>> >> >>> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> >> news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> >> > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to >>> >> > criminals.....and >> now >>> > I >>> >> > can only buy one gun a month... >>> >> >>> >> Sorry, but how exactly does this law mean you can only buy 1 gun >>> >> a >> month? >>> > I >>> >> thought you were a criminal and not constrained to obeying the >>> >> law, or did >>> > I >>> >> misunderstand you? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >>> >> > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >>> >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: >>> >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 >>> >> >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >>> >> >> It won't. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical >>> >> >> question, >>> >> >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and >>> >> >> sells >> them >>> > to >>> >> >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person >>> >> >> only >> being >>> >> >> able to buy one gun a month?" >>> >> >> >>> >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZsednbSNhpScGzranZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com: > Let's see where he got the gun......shall we? Feel free to post it when you find out. I bet it isn't a straw purchase in Philly. > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9A3A918FFF87Sandman@216.196.97.136... >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:s- >> 2dnWlsdeLl7DranZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comcast.com: >> >> > My thinking is that if the guy didn't have access to the gun he >> probably >> > wouldn't have shot and killed people. >> >> I would bet that his access to any gun was already illegal. >> >> > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message >> > news:47a766e1$0$25018$607ed4bc@cv.net... >> >> robw, the top postin retard wrote: >> >> >> >> > Smiling that this is another gun event that we'll stuff down your >> > throat? >> >> >> >> it wasn't a "gun event", you mental midget. >> >> It was a MURDER EVENT. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Yeah asshole, you keep smiling. >> >> >> >> I just smiled at your ignorance of what happened. >> >> >> >> YOU LAUGHED just because a gun was used by a retard like you, not >> >> because innocent UNARMED PEOPLE were murdered. >> >> >> >> YOU still don't care, or understand. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> RD (The Sandman) >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in >> to terrorism is much, much worse > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:5v-dnbAj0d7tHDranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com: > The Anti-Violence Partnership of Philadelphia. > > We've (my wife and I) also have assisted some local church groups in > neighborhoods where gun violence has been a problem. > > Problem? Not with trying to assist against gun violence. Of course, you should better understand what is reality. Hopefully, your wife has the brains in the family, because you keep proving you don't. > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > news:47a77f5b$0$25048$607ed4bc@cv.net... >> robw wrote: >> >> > I belong to no anti-gun groups. >> > I do belong to a grass roots group that is trying to stop the >> > murders in Philly. >> >> Name it >> > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest Wayne Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:AZOdne9YC_QB9jXanZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > Why would people who are not criminals have a need to purchase more than > one > handgun a month? > > You mean besides "because I want to"? Well here are some reasons "I might want to". 1. OK. You apply for a CCW and you have to list the serial numbers on the application for up to three guns. So you need to buy up to three at one time, or wait 3 months. 2. You want to buy a gun that suddenly came available at a good price, but you just bought a gun 3 weeks earlier. 3. You are a collector. 4. You want to give your sons matching guns for Christmas. ("Give" means going with them to a FFL dealer and doing a face-to-face transfer, along with all the paperwork.) 5. You bought a gun and had a problem with it. You want to replace it, but it is already registered in your name. In this case, you are going to end up with one gun, but it requires buying two within one month, and selling one during the same month. 6. Your only CCW gun has a problem requiring it to be returned for factory repair. You have just bought a gun for non-CCW use, and you want to buy a 2nd CCW gun. 7. You took up "Cowboy" shooting as a hobby, and you don't own any old style revolvers. etc, etc. etc. I could go on and on.....but you won't be satisfied. Note that your 1 gun per month rule didn't prevent any of the transactions described above. The process was simply complicated, delayed, and perhaps made more expensive. Your next question is why would anyone want more than one gun. Think of it like golf clubs...why does a golfer need more than one club? 'Cuz you use them for different things. Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:m-Gdna1FPsD7BDranZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com: > The one gun question..... > > Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to criminals. OK. You are no longer a legal buyer, but that is nitpicking. > Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. > > If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks I'm making > 900 bucks a month. > (you following this?) Getting your guns for free? > If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. You don't understand straw sales, a one gun a month limit or how business works. You are comical, however..... > Any questions? > > > > > > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > news:s1Mpj.91016$L%6.45696@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> robw wrote: >> > So what is your definition and you might want to pas it along to >> > Lou of Lou's pawn Shop [ Lou's Loans ] who got closed for such >> > sales. >> > >> >> Someone gives you the money and you buy a gun for them is a straw >> purchase. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or several. >> >> In a straw-purchase scheme, a felon, barred by law from buying guns, >> recruits someone who can legally buy guns. The intermediary fills out >> forms, passes a background check, purchases the guns, then gives them >> to the felon, who uses them to commit crimes or illegally resells >> them for a big profit. >> >> Lou's Loans lost its license because of a multitude of violations >> of federal gun laws, some of those violations were straw >> sales/purchases--also there were illegal purchases and selling >> multiple guns to a person without notifying the ATF in violation of >> the Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting program. >> >> How does one gun a month eliminate "straw purchases"? >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> > news:ToLpj.90999$L%6.70175@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >> robw wrote: >> >>> Well, let's see....... >> >>> >> >>> If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them to >> >>> people > who >> > are >> >>> not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being able to >> >>> buy one >> > gun a >> >>> month? >> >>> >> >> That is not, by definition, a straw sale. >> >> >> >> Back to the original situation and question, how does 'one gun a >> >> month' prevent straw buys? >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >>> news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >>>> robw wrote: >> >>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. >> >>>>> >> >>>> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases? >> >>>> >> >>>> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it from the >> > dealer. >> >>>> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun Reporting > program. >> >>>> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any >> >>>> "multiple sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five >> >>>> consecutive business days. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> And before you even start, this would not include people with >> >>> collector's >> >>>>> licenses. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's >> >>>> license"? Or would this be a new requirement? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >>>>> news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >> >>>>>> robw wrote: >> >>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> Straw buys are currently illegal. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> How do you propose to eliminate them? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message >> >>>>>>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> >>>>>>>> robw wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock yourself >> >>>>>>>>> out. If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> You? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished? >> >>> >> > >> > > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:3PadnYErT4u69TXanZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com: > And we want to limit those buys. Then put the guys in jail like Lou. Passing one gun a month won't do it. > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > news:ZpOpj.6633$qI.4194@trnddc03... >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:Te-dnXVI-pRyPzranZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@comcast.com... >> > There is no such thing as legal buyers selling to criminals???? >> >> Nope, it's a crime. >> >> > Why don't you ask Lou's Pawnshop in Philly. >> >> Yea, and I note he's in jail. >> >> > Get back to me, won't ya'??? >> >> Don't have to get back to you. It's a federal crime to engage in staw > sales, >> or to purchase a gun with the intent of transfering it to a >> prohibited person. >> >> Hence there are no legal buyers of guns for sell to criminals. >> >> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >> > message news:T0Npj.6613$qI.164@trnddc03... >> >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:m-Gdna1FPsD7BDranZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> > The one gun question..... >> >> > >> >> > Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to >> >> > criminals. >> >> >> >> Sorry, but there is no such thing. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. >> >> > >> >> > If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks I'm >> >> > making >> > 900 >> >> > bucks a month. >> >> > (you following this?) >> >> > >> >> > If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. >> >> >> >> I see, so you are willing to engage in federal crimes which for >> >> each purchase/sale carries a mandatory minimum of 10 years in the >> >> federal > pen, >> >> and you think some piddly ass state statute is suddenly going to >> >> matter to >> >> you? I thought you were a criminal who didn't care about the law? >> >> So > why >> > are >> >> you suggesting that you would suddenly start obeying this >> >> particular > law >> >> when you've already ignored all the others. For that matter why >> >> would > any >> >> other criminal? >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest Wayne Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:i-OdnXUcVI9v8DXanZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >I advocate a law that would significantly reduce the number of guns being > sold to people who can not buy them legally themselves. > I don't follow your statement. Are you talking about passing a law to prevent "straw buyer" sales....while there currently is a law making "straw buyer" sales illegal? Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:24ednZ278INVOjranZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@comcast.com: > People who are collectors. > > Who sell them? Asshole. > > Make a living that way, asshole??? Name calling make you feel important, Robw? Make you feel, somehow, smarter? How old are you? 12? -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:AZOdne9YC_QB9jXanZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com: > Why would people who are not criminals have a need to purchase more > than one handgun a month? Exactly what does "need" have to do with a right? -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:WNydne8sVKMELzranZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@comcast.com: > I don't waver, Neither does a rock and you are both showing the same open mindedness. > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > news:47a7a739$0$25040$607ed4bc@cv.net... >> robw wrote: >> >> > The proposal wouldn't have effected collectors. >> > >> > Your next point ? >> >> What is your "proposal" again? >> >> Oh yeah..eleminate/Disinvent all guns. > > > -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 We believe it will help immensely. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3B629F93A84Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:3PadnYErT4u69TXanZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > And we want to limit those buys. > > Then put the guys in jail like Lou. Passing one gun a month won't do it. > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:ZpOpj.6633$qI.4194@trnddc03... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:Te-dnXVI-pRyPzranZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > There is no such thing as legal buyers selling to criminals???? > >> > >> Nope, it's a crime. > >> > >> > Why don't you ask Lou's Pawnshop in Philly. > >> > >> Yea, and I note he's in jail. > >> > >> > Get back to me, won't ya'??? > >> > >> Don't have to get back to you. It's a federal crime to engage in staw > > sales, > >> or to purchase a gun with the intent of transfering it to a > >> prohibited person. > >> > >> Hence there are no legal buyers of guns for sell to criminals. > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> > message news:T0Npj.6613$qI.164@trnddc03... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:m-Gdna1FPsD7BDranZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > The one gun question..... > >> >> > > >> >> > Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to > >> >> > criminals. > >> >> > >> >> Sorry, but there is no such thing. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to. > >> >> > > >> >> > If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks I'm > >> >> > making > >> > 900 > >> >> > bucks a month. > >> >> > (you following this?) > >> >> > > >> >> > If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go down. > >> >> > >> >> I see, so you are willing to engage in federal crimes which for > >> >> each purchase/sale carries a mandatory minimum of 10 years in the > >> >> federal > > pen, > >> >> and you think some piddly ass state statute is suddenly going to > >> >> matter to > >> >> you? I thought you were a criminal who didn't care about the law? > >> >> So > > why > >> > are > >> >> you suggesting that you would suddenly start obeying this > >> >> particular > > law > >> >> when you've already ignored all the others. For that matter why > >> >> would > > any > >> >> other criminal? > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 So when did I say I was a criminal? "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3B6148181A7Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > news:MrOpj.84299$U12.34469@trnddc06: > > > > > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:UbednWtJ0rcXPjranZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> Did I say I was a criminal??? > > > > Yes. > > Scout, if it took an IQ of 100 to light the City of Philadelphia, this > guy would have trouble with a penlite. > > > >> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > >> news:_5Npj.46140$K%.45823@trnddc04... > >>> > >>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >>> news:Rc-dnZ16iIVfBzranZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >>> > Where have I ever said I was a criminal? > >>> > >>> "sell them to criminals" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >>> > message news:ClMpj.6414$qI.4566@trnddc03... > >>> >> > >>> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >>> >> news:b9mdnbZRr8VmGjranZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >>> >> > If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to > >>> >> > criminals.....and > >> now > >>> > I > >>> >> > can only buy one gun a month... > >>> >> > >>> >> Sorry, but how exactly does this law mean you can only buy 1 gun > >>> >> a > >> month? > >>> > I > >>> >> thought you were a criminal and not constrained to obeying the > >>> >> law, or did > >>> > I > >>> >> misunderstand you? > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message > >>> >> > news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > >>> >> >> RD (The Sandman) wrote: > >>> >> >> > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9 > >>> >> >> > _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com: > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month. > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > And will eliminate straw purchases....how???? > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> It won't. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the identical > >>> >> >> question, > >>> >> >> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and > >>> >> >> sells > >> them > >>> > to > >>> >> >> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person > >>> >> >> only > >> being > >>> >> >> able to buy one gun a month?" > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys". > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 So you're the kind of person that just accepts the conditions....or are you the kind that wants someone else to clean up the mess. People like you sicken me. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3B5EC75BDCFSandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:5IOdna8ugato9TXanZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > It's never been tried in Philly. > > Does gravity act differently in Philly than elsewere? > > > But you can relax. Harrisburg won't let Philly institute it's own laws > > and when the western part of the state you're not going to get a > > statewide law passed. > > > > Feel better? > > > > > > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:GuOpj.46148$K%.1807@trnddc04... > >> > >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> news:P8mdnbqOMKAfOTranZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> > So give us a chance. > >> > >> It's already been tried time and time and time again. It has NEVER > >> worked. So why should I allow you to fuck people over to try yet > >> again. Show me > > that > >> you have any reasonable proof of producing a different result. > >> > >> > >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in > >> > message news:CcMpj.17266$hF2.4419@trnddc02... > >> >> > >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:DeSdnZYLqrsoGTranZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> >> > One a month sales would help hinder the supply???? > >> >> > >> >> We've had that for quite sometime, and oddly enough we have seen > >> >> no > >> > decline > >> >> in the criminal access to illegal guns. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> > message news:Xns9A3A912177DC4Sandman@216.196.97.136... > >> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > >> >> >> news:pbmdnWB7jeED7TranZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Eliminating straw buys would be a great start. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Yep, and they are already illegal. Now what?? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> RD (The Sandman) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> War is absolute hell.....but to give in > >> >> >> to terrorism is much, much worse > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest robw Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 You really need to get up to speed on what's happening here. "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9A3B60AA6E011Sandman@216.196.97.136... > "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in > news:4fGdnTDsIspg9DXanZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com: > > > It's what's happening in Philly. > > No, it isn't. > > > "KerryHatch" <OingoBoingo@Bass.gov.> wrote in message > > news:47a7b62e$0$25018$607ed4bc@cv.net... > >> robw the top posting retard wrote: > >> > >> > Let's see, I sell 120 guns to illegal buyers. > >> > >> Why would you do that? > >> Federal laws "prevent" that... don't they? > >> > >> The more you spew your imaginary thoughts, the more you PROVE how much > >> of a jackasss you are. > >> > >> Stop watching TV! > > > > > > > > > > -- > RD (The Sandman) > > War is absolute hell.....but to give in > to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
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