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[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

"Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote

> My point is, who getsta decide who is worthy of access to the public

> trough.

 

Your point is a question?

 

Before you ponder such questions, you really should learn to think

logically first.

 

Who decides is a question most frequently asked by whiners. The solution

in this case is the realization that only scientists are sufficiently

qualified to decide which research warrants funding.

 

So to keep the whiners happy use two funding mechanisms. Discressionary

and non-Discressionary.

 

You set a budget for both, and in the second case the scientists decide,

and in the first, the people - through their elected governments decide.

 

I would propose a valid ND/D ratio would be around 0.8

[Guest Day Brown]

On Mar 23, 4:10 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"

<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:

> "Day Brown" <daybr...@hughes.net> wrote

>

> > If the government took over the corporate healthcare plans, yes your

> > taxes would go up. But then the investors in American business would

> > make more money because American products would be cheaper on the

> > global market.

>

> > Does that still look like socialism, or is it just meeting the global

> > competition?

>

> And over all costs would go down and quality go up.

i really dont know. I can see where American corporations want to get

rid of the cost of corporate healthcare plans to improve their

profits. So, that's what is coming. Maybe socialized medicine is bad,

but if its done for the benefit of the corporations, that's what you

are gonna get. scrod. [pluperfect subjunctive]

[Guest James]

"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in message

news:kWwFj.40091$dA2.23945@read2.cgocable.net...

>

> "James" <kingkongg@iglou.com> wrote

>> Not relevant to discussion.

>

> Insufficient intelligence displayed by James. No discussion possible.

>

> Death is the only cure for KKKonservatism.

>

 

Of course. Now take your meds. Make them yourself?

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

>> Which is why VA hospitals under the Bush Administration are overrun by

>> rats.

 

 

"watch-dog" <watch-dog@talk-n-dog.com> wrote

> Which is why you Liberals want government health care for America...

 

The sad fact of the matter is that when KKKonservatives turn the

AmeriKKKan Vetrans health care system into a rat infested hole, it is STILL

BETTER than their plan to provide ZERO health care for AmeriKKKans.

 

And that is why Vetrans sill go to rat infested, underfunded VA hostpitals

that are run into the ground by KKKonservative Political operatives.

 

Death is the only cure for KKKonservativism.

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

"Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote

> If the government took over the corporate healthcare plans, yes your

> taxes would go up. But then the investors in American business would

> make more money because American products would be cheaper on the

> global market.

>

> Does that still look like socialism, or is it just meeting the global

> competition?

 

And over all costs would go down and quality go up.

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

"Bill Ward" <bward@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote

> It looks like socialism.

 

Then Comrad, you have socialism in your near future.

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

>> Iran, Iraq and North Korea need to build about 300 nuclear reactors each

>> in order to provide for their growing energy needs.

>>

>> I commend them on their efforts.

 

 

"James" <kingkongg@iglou.com> wrote

> We should do that too.

 

Why doesn't Israel Agree with you?

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

"Bill Ward" <bward@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote

> My point is, whoever putsinta the public trough should be determining

> who takesoutta the public trough.

 

That's what elections are for.

 

By the way, when are you AmeriKKKan losers going to figure out how to run

a democratic election?

 

 

"Bill Ward" <bward@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote

> Those on the take should be disqualified because of their obvious

> conflict of interest.

 

And those who deposit should also be disqualified for thier obvious

conflict of interest.

 

But that's the KKKonservative plan. Corporate Governance..

 

In other words FASCISM...

[Guest The Ghost In The Machine]

Note subject change.

 

In sci.environment, V-for-Vendicar

<Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com>

wrote

on Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:00:55 -0800

<3yzFj.31619$612.13974@read1.cgocable.net>:

>

>>> Death is the only cure for KKKonservatism.

>

> "James" <kingkongg@iglou.com> wrote

>> Of course.

>

> Better Dead than KKKonservative.

>

 

At the risk of opening a ridiculously virulent can of

worms, I am wondering what KKKonservative means in this

context, if only because the true conservatives of the

Goldwater era appear to be no more, and the current bunch

who call themselves "conservatives" or "neo-conservatives"

seem to be very reactionary, apparently wanting to

roll back general regulatory policies to before the New

Deal, about the Roaring 20's era (presumably under the

guise of "improving" government or "reducing" government

interference -- which is funny considering that the budget

under Bush is the largest ever, as is the public debt),

and being generally corrupt in certain subaspects (e.g., the

bankruptcy rewrite was driven by credit card companies, Big Pharm

rewrote sections of Medicare/drug legislation, the Clear Skies

act appears to have gutted Clean Air).

 

The Roaring 20's, as everyone should recall, crashed

rather hard, resulting in the Great Depression -- and,

perhaps, ultimately, World War II, though I'm not sure we

were trading with the Weimar Republic at the time and the

Treaty of Versailles was messed up from the word go.

 

The KKK, of course, is fairly obvious though the Klan is

probably not nearly the same Klan that has been vilified

in the past, either -- though one has to ask the question

as to who's the worse sinner: the one who kills the cow or

the one who simply eats the burger/sandwich at McDonalds,

Wendy's, Arby's, or other such eateries who serve beef

in some form. (And yes, I include myself; I like roast

beef sandwiches. It's an insidious trap. But back to

Christian organizations...)

 

For the record, the KKK appears to have its site at

http://www.kkk.bz, and touts itself as "Christian-Friendly".

However, considering the Internet's general approach

to hate I hesitate to state this with any sort of

definiteness. (Nor is this site particularly responsive

anyway.)

 

Another interesting (and probably more useful) site is

at http://www.kkklan.com/ which is not pro-KKK, and

shows for example an interesting picture of the Klan

(or 7 members thereof, anyway), standing in front of a

billboard stating "Welcome to OXFORD".

 

And of course one can go to Wikipedia:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

 

which includes a picture of a classical KKK cross-burning

(at a 1923 rally), a somewhat gruesome picture of Michael

Donald's lynching in 1981, and a condensation of the KKK's

history.

 

Their only saving grace (FSVO) is that they don't generally

use bombs as such -- but there are exceptions, such as in

1963 when the KKK (or at least one member thereof, anyway,

Robert Chambliss) bombed the 16th Street Baptist Church,

resulting in the deaths of 4 children. (Chambliss was not

convicted until 1978. Slow justice.)

 

So is this sort of thing true conservatism, or just some

sort of evil stupidity masquerading as such? Of course

I think you (V-for-V) already know the answer, but am

wondering who else is man enough to disavow hate among

the neocon bunch (and to a lesser extent some of the

liberal bunch; ideally we shouldn't hate the Aryan-loving,

Holocaust-denying, Defense-Of-Marriage-Act[ ]-loving bunch,

merely point out the more obvious flaws, including

hypocrisy, in their arguments, and own up to our own

hypocrisy in our own, if necessary).

 

[ ] defining marriage as being exclusively between a

heterosexual man and a heterosexual woman, presumably.

The more strident anti-DOMA activists construe this

as gay-bashing, and to an extent they're right, though

marriage is a bit complicated anyway as ideally it comprises

three aspects:

 

1. Religious.

2. Love/Relationship.

3. Secular recognition.

 

Of these, secular recognition is probably the most

important within the federal and state governments,

though it gets complicated with various scams such

as "marry-me-and-I-become-a-legal-immigrant" or

"marry-me-for-tax-reasons".

 

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[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

"Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote

> When I was in school, "plate tectonics" was a crank theory.

 

So you finished your skoolen before the invention of plastics, electronics.

 

Back then a computing device was either an abacus or a slide rule.

 

I see.

 

 

"Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote

> I dont have the faith in "scientists" that you do.

 

Faith is irrelevant. Science has grown a trillion times more powerful

since then.

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

"Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote

> I dont worry about

> it, the Almighty Dollar will decide which cultures manage to raise the

> next generation that is more competitive in the global economy.

 

So you forsee the continuation of dysmal existance.

 

How sad that your vision is so impeeded by nickles and dimes.

 

 

> Whatever Veterans, or whoever deserve, if the unfunded entitlements

> crash the economy, then the trough will run dry, and those who are not

> fit and rational enuf to take care of themselves starve. I am not a

> Christian, so I dont have a mandate to feed the hungry.

 

But you do. It's part of your moral obligation to your fellow human

beings.

 

Failure to accept that moral standard disqualifies you for existance in

the human race.

 

"Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote

> I am an apostle of Aristotle, and a supporter of Stoicsm.

 

Your 2,400 year old nonsense philosophy is incompatible with modern

civilization.

 

Plato was even pre-bakalite.

[Guest Bill Habr]

"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in message

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I can't answer who is a 'true' conservative.

 

At least some, maybe even most, "modern" conservatives are "classic" liberals to a great

extent or at least to the extent that they see government as envisioned by "modern"

liberal as putting obstacles in the way of the individual.

[Guest The Ghost In The Machine]

In sci.environment, V-for-Vendicar

<Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com>

wrote

on Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:52:16 -0800

<I2CFj.40125$dA2.33205@read2.cgocable.net>:

> What is a "true" chair?

>

 

An interesting subpoint. I'll admit the best I can do

there is note (IMO, anyway) that the liberals by and

large were (and presumably still are) interested in using

government to further their ideals, some of them rather

ambitious (along the lines of the War on Poverty / the

Great Society, for example, in the LBJ era -- one can

endlessly quibble as to whether these programs actually

(a) work as specified and (b) actually do improve the human

condition); the conservatives are more or less content to

go with the tried and true, at least once upon a time.

 

The trouble is that the so-called neocons do neither.

AFAICT they want government to further their ideals,

which involves either favoritism, dismantlement of

already-existing programs and installation of other

programs (the Son of SDI comes to mind; I don't know

what it's called now), decreasing our civil liberties

in the name of defending against external threats to

the Homeland, or a combination of all three.

 

I'm not even sure "reactionary" quite works either.

So perhaps the best term for them are Bushclones,

or perhaps Roveclones, since Karl Rove appears to be

the mover and shaker pushing all this.

 

But even Rove didn't dream up such things as Free Trade.

That was Reagan's baby (though Clinton fed it while he

was in office).

 

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important, it's the ability to DO something

with it.

 

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[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

"James" <kingkongg@iglou.com> wrote

> Not relevant to discussion.

 

Insufficient intelligence displayed by James. No discussion possible.

 

Death is the only cure for KKKonservatism.

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

>> And over all costs would go down and quality go up.

 

"Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote

> I really dont know. I can see where American corporations want to get

> rid of the cost of corporate healthcare plans to improve their

> profits. So, that's what is coming.

 

Corporatism = Fascism

 

 

 

"Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote

> Maybe socialized medicine is bad, but if its done for the benefit of the

> corporations,

> that's what you are gonna get. scrod. [pluperfect subjunctive]

 

Certianly if you live in a corporate controlled FASCIST state.

 

If that's your preference, then you will have to live with the dire

consequences.

 

The rest of us will continue to watch your society collapse from our

Socialist states.

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

>> The sad fact of the matter is that when KKKonservatives turn the

>> AmeriKKKan Vetrans health care system into a rat infested hole, it is

>> STILL BETTER than their plan to provide ZERO health care for AmeriKKKans.

 

 

"watch-dog" <watch-dog@talk-n-dog.com> wrote

> You completely miss that your ideology will simply distribute rats to all

> medical facilities.

 

You mean Pawns. That's what Vetrans are to KKKonservatives. Disposable

pawns, as is evidenced by your referral to them as "RATS".

 

Why else would RepubliKKKans create Rat infested VA hostpitals for their

claimed "hero's".

 

I have never encountered a RepubliKKKan who wasn't a perpetual Liar.

 

Watch-dog is no exception to that rule.

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

>> Death is the only cure for KKKonservatism.

 

"James" <kingkongg@iglou.com> wrote

> Of course.

 

Better Dead than KKKonservative.

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

What is a "true" chair?

[Guest watch-dog]

V-for-Vendicar wrote:

>>> The sad fact of the matter is that when KKKonservatives turn the

>>> AmeriKKKan Vetrans health care system into a rat infested hole, it is

>>> STILL BETTER than their plan to provide ZERO health care for AmeriKKKans.

>

>

> "watch-dog" <watch-dog@talk-n-dog.com> wrote

>> You completely miss that your ideology will simply distribute rats to all

>> medical facilities.

>

> You mean Pawns. That's what Vetrans are to KKKonservatives. Disposable

> pawns, as is evidenced by your referral to them as "RATS".

>

> Why else would RepubliKKKans create Rat infested VA hostpitals for their

> claimed "hero's".

>

> I have never encountered a RepubliKKKan who wasn't a perpetual Liar.

>

> Watch-dog is no exception to that rule.

>

>

Thanks for your service to our country....

[Guest watch-dog]

V-for-Vendicar wrote:

>>> And over all costs would go down and quality go up.

>

> "Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote

>> I really dont know. I can see where American corporations want to get

>> rid of the cost of corporate healthcare plans to improve their

>> profits. So, that's what is coming.

>

> Corporatism = Fascism

>

>

>

> "Day Brown" <daybrown@hughes.net> wrote

>> Maybe socialized medicine is bad, but if its done for the benefit of the

>> corporations,

>> that's what you are gonna get. scrod. [pluperfect subjunctive]

>

> Certianly if you live in a corporate controlled FASCIST state.

>

> If that's your preference, then you will have to live with the dire

> consequences.

>

> The rest of us will continue to watch your society collapse from our

> Socialist states.

 

The state controls the Corporations in a fascist state. That's why

Hillary wanting to take the Exxon profits is fascist.

 

--

 

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Koom-Bay-Ya

When you can't deny the truth, silence it?

? Talk-n-Dog ?

[Guest watch-dog]

V-for-Vendicar wrote:

>>> The sad fact of the matter is that when KKKonservatives turn the

>>> AmeriKKKan Vetrans health care system into a rat infested hole, it is

>>> STILL BETTER than their plan to provide ZERO health care for AmeriKKKans.

>

>

> "watch-dog" <watch-dog@talk-n-dog.com> wrote

>> You completely miss that your ideology will simply distribute rats to all

>> medical facilities.

>

> You mean Pawns. That's what Vetrans are to KKKonservatives. Disposable

> pawns, as is evidenced by your referral to them as "RATS".

>

> Why else would RepubliKKKans create Rat infested VA hostpitals for their

> claimed "hero's".

>

> I have never encountered a RepubliKKKan who wasn't a perpetual Liar.

>

> Watch-dog is no exception to that rule.

>

>

 

To bad I'm Libertarian..... and not a liar.

 

 

Government health care is what your attacking, while you lie out the

other side of your face, telling people that Government health care is

going to solve their imaginary problems in commercial health care.

 

 

You keep your foot in your mouth constantly. You just proved that you

and Liberals in general are LIARS.... thanks for the help.

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

"watch-dog" <watch-dog@talk-n-dog.com> wrote

> Thanks for your service to our country....

 

You mean Pawns. That's what Vetrans are to KKKonservatives. Disposable

pawns, as is evidenced by your referral to them as "RATS".

 

Why else would RepubliKKKans create Rat infested VA hostpitals for their

claimed "hero's".

 

I have never encountered a RepubliKKKan who wasn't a perpetual Liar.

 

Watch-dog is no exception to that rule.

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

"watch-dog" <watch-dog@talk-n-dog.com> wrote

> The state controls the Corporations in a fascist state.

 

Wrong again. Fascism = Corporatism, pure and simple.

 

Corporatism = KKKonservatism. Pure and simple.

 

KKKonservatism = Fascism. Pure and simple.

[Guest V-for-Vendicar]

"watch-dog" <watch-dog@talk-n-dog.com>

> To bad I'm Libertarian..... and not a liar.

 

So how long have you been a member of the Pedophile party? Liar..

 

 

"watch-dog" <watch-dog@talk-n-dog.com>

> Government health care is what your attacking, while you lie out the other

> side of your face, telling people that Government health care is going to

> solve their imaginary problems in commercial health care.

 

Unlike you the U.S. medical community doesn't consider the dramatic

underperformance of the

U.S. health care industry as a lie, or a problem that can't be solved.

 

The solution is simple. More Socialism and less Libertarian lying.

 

 

"watch-dog" <watch-dog@talk-n-dog.com>

> You keep your foot in your mouth constantly.

 

I hadn't noticed, but I have noticed that you keep a corporate cock in

your mouth constantly.

 

 

"watch-dog" <watch-dog@talk-n-dog.com>

> You just proved that you and Liberals in general are LIARS....

 

Says the long proven Libertairan Liar.

 

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