Guest Stephan Rothstein Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 Gunner wrote: > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:55:41 -0700, tankfixer > <paul.carrier@us.kat.army.mil> wrote: > >> In article <2sjqu35n1gqi3qs33fitajn15tpgiirja6@4ax.com>, >> rgdenney@yahoo.com says... >>> Doctors, nurses, gun-loons; all shooting at each other, but that's >>> what the gun-loons want: blood-soaked, bullet-ridden carcasses make >>> them smile with joy....until its one of their own kinfolk that gets >>> shot to death by thier little toys. >>> >> >> Your fascination with killing would be good subject material for a >> toxicology major to study... > > I wonder how many hallucigens they would find? I would think it is more delusions than hallucinations. Pure mental process with no toxicology. Steve Rothstein Quote
Guest Omelet Posted March 29, 2008 Posted March 29, 2008 In article <MPG.22583ab9d16a5529989e5a@nntp.earthlink.net>, tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.kat.army.mil> wrote: > In article <pikru3ljnp6k8vrqmjsuelp1ml601q9k6r@4ax.com>, > gunner@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net says... > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:55:41 -0700, tankfixer > > <paul.carrier@us.kat.army.mil> wrote: > > > > >In article <2sjqu35n1gqi3qs33fitajn15tpgiirja6@4ax.com>, > > >rgdenney@yahoo.com says... > > >> > > >> Doctors, nurses, gun-loons; all shooting at each other, but that's > > >> what the gun-loons want: blood-soaked, bullet-ridden carcasses make > > >> them smile with joy....until its one of their own kinfolk that gets > > >> shot to death by thier little toys. > > >> > > > > > > > > >Your fascination with killing would be good subject material for a > > >toxicology major to study... > > > > I wonder how many hallucigens they would find? > > Quite a few I suspect.... Based on experience with patients where I work, I'd be more inclined to suspect stimulants. Cocaine and Amphetamines. And Alcohol. (And yes I know Alcohol is a depressant, but it's also a disinhibitor.) -- -- Peace! Om "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. They have never forgotten this." - Heinlein Quote
Guest Morton Davis Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 "nc@gntbcr.com" <Not PC> wrote in message news:tukqu39261jhf62jok4j6j82vp3tpef7l0@4ax.com... > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:29:35 -0000, "\"The Rifleman\"" > <survivor@northland.com> wrote: > >>and 30,000 yanks a year dont die from gun shot wounds, yeah dream on boys. >> > > OH MY GAWD! At that rate, all us "yanks" will be dead of gun shots in > only 20,000 years. (more than half the "gun dead" are from suicide) And most of the others are criminal on criminal. Quote
Guest WindsorFox Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 Roger Denney wrote: > about the blood-soaked American > gun-culture and the weapons of mass murder that they wordship. Where the hell exactly do you live? Obviously it is not in the US. -- "As seen in the classified ads: Learn how to get idiots to send you a dollar and their SSN. Send $1 & your SSN to..." -- DarkFiber / BlockIP.org Quote
Guest Gunner Asch Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:54:08 -0500, "WindsorFox<SS>" <darkshado666@gmail.com> wrote: >Roger Denney wrote: >> about the blood-soaked American >> gun-culture and the weapons of mass murder that they wordship. > > Where the hell exactly do you live? Obviously it is not in the US. He lives in the state of Denial. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner Quote
Guest Benj Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Mar 28, 4:18 am, "Maximo Gravaticus" <m...@woh.rr.com> wrote: > > More guns and a populace trained in using them will stop these nutjobs. > > Wrong again. It's time to start taking guns from gun nuts, to may innocent > people have to suffer and die so you can pray for more guns in the hands of > idiots. Judging by your own lack of logic or even common sense, I would say > you're no doubt a ticking time bomb ready to go off and kill a few people in > the name of your guns. It's past time to relieve people like you of your > weapons. To may innocent people die for you insane love of guns. First of all, you don't reed and rite "to" gud! And you logic is equally flawed. Tell us again how disarming the innocent and law abiding making them easy victims is "common sense". "common sense" is relieving criminals of their guns. We are waiting for your plan as how to do that... Oh that's right. Your plan is to start by disarming all victims first. Yeah, that will work...NOT. Moron. Quote
Guest Benj Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Mar 28, 5:09 am, "\"The Rifleman\"" <survi...@northland.com> wrote: > <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ae861c48-acf7-4354-90c5-> > > More guns and a populace trained in using them will stop these nutjobs. > > Wrong ,you would just have more morons settling petty disagreements and > grudges with gunfire. Bzzzttt! Wrong. The only "nut job" here is you. clearly you are living in "dreamland" believing that all those states with concealed carry have turned into "wild west" shootouts over parking spaces. Idiot. Quote
Guest Benj Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Mar 28, 5:35 am, "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names" <PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote: > A gun at the nurse's station would have resulted in twice as many > bullets flying around with more people killed or wounded. And the way you know this is? Oh that's right. It says so right in your "Brady Campaign" manual! Sorry, brownshirt, but after the FIRST well-placed bullet the "nut job" doesn't get to fire any more bullets. loon. Quote
Guest Benj Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Mar 28, 7:35 am, Arfur Moo <arfur_...@woollengang.net.au> wrote: > Anyway, I wonder what proportion of medical professionals would like to be > surrounded by gun-toting colleagues of various abilities, characters and > nervous dispositions. And if I were a _patient_ who was a candidate for such > a medical establishment then I trust that I wouldn't be seen _dead_ there. Obviously anonymous pussy swish-boy DEAD is exactly the way you would be seen in one of your "gun free" zones. Yeah, we've heard from you before. Pilots with guns on a plane really scares you, doesn't it? The whole idea of fighting evil is a terror to you, isn't it. Maybe you baby fat candle is burning down a bit too low these days. Rabid anonymous loon. Quote
Guest Benj Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Mar 28, 12:18 pm, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote: > Ya stupid bastard, doctors kill more people each year than disgruntled > postal workers. You're a helluva lot safer bringing your own gun to the > emergency room if ya had one, ya dickless wonder. Anonymous dickless wonder knows full well that doctors kill at least TWICE as many people as do "guns" and that's using the gun-grabber counting scheme which includes all suicides, and self-defense incidents. Cripes. Doctors make Postal Workers look like Mother Teresa! Quote
Guest Benj Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Mar 28, 8:52 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I once used a handgun to stop two Dobermans which seemed bent on making a > snack out of my son. Not a shot was fired, but the presence of the weapon > was enough to convince the dog criminal (owner) that he had a very serious > problem. He called the cops. The NY State Trooper ticketed him for breaking > the law (unleashed dogs at a state owned boat launch). He mouthed off at the > cop, who then suggested that he continue his afternoon of fishing in the > town jail. The dog criminal became very well behaved at that point. The > trooper waited until I had my boat out of the water, in case the dog > criminal got any stupid ideas. The trooper said "Have a nice day" and we > both went on our ways. > > Sounds to me like the gun did its job nicely. Come on JoeSpare. None of the gun-grabbers here want to hear about the hundred of thousands if not millions of times each year a firearm STOPS a crime without firing a shot. They all know in their heart that the only purpose of a gun is "TO KILL"! Which only has us all wondering why you just used your gun to save your son rather than killing the dogs and then in a blood-lust killing rage finish the job by killing the state trooper as well. I'm pretty sure this is what "gun rays" make you do. Oh that's right. It's because most firearms in law-abiding hands are used to STOP crimes not commit them! I wonder why the gun-grabbers don't know that? Oh that's right it's because there is a POLITICAL agenda behind their pretended ignorance. Quote
Guest Benj Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Mar 28, 6:45 am, Roger Denney <rgden...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Now I see. So you don't really believe in any form of democracy, > only your ability to own firearms to"protect" yourselves from > "tyrants" like myself, correct? Oh yeah, "democracy"! That's where two wolves and a sheep vote on "what's for dinner" right? As for if you are a "tyrant" who knows? But you sure seem to worship all the tyrants of history Who first disarmed the population with so-called "gun control" and then began murdering them. The only good news is that once one of your "heros" like Pol Pot comes to power they'll start by murdering all the "intellectuals" like you! Note that because of 'gun control" Pol Pot's men didn't even have to waste ammunition in the killing fields...a simple rifle butt to the head did the job! Thank you very much, Roger! > Clue: Your "right" to own a gun stops at my and all other person's > rights to stay safe, alive and unharmed by gunfire from you cretins. Learn to read, moron. You lefties seem to think that you can make words mean whatever you say and nobody will notice. Well, pink boy, we DO notice. There is NO such thing as a person's right to "stay safe". Go read the Declaration of Independence again, bung boy. The right is to "life", liberty , and the pursuit of happiness. Police have NO duty to protect any individual. You only have a right to self- defense. Nobody gets guaranteed "safety". Just how stupid are you? Oh that's right. I do know how stupid you are. You rabidly believe that the government NEVER lies to anyone. You believe that arming those in power to the teeth with all manner of bombs and guns and WMDs even to the point of totally militarizing police will somehow keep us all "safe". You blindly believe that every politician only seeks th best possible wishes for each of us and NONE of them ever has any lust for raw political power over others. You even stupidly believe with all your heart that people if given freedom will be so low and ignorant as to abuse it and bring themselves and those around them down. Gosh, you sure are one "smart' guy! I sure want you and guys like you in charge of MY country! NOT! Moron. Quote
Guest Omelet Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 In article <os2uu3psgpm0d8d1i8u4ucsm89fogfs7fg@4ax.com>, Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote: > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:54:08 -0500, "WindsorFox<SS>" > <darkshado666@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Roger Denney wrote: > >> about the blood-soaked American > >> gun-culture and the weapons of mass murder that they wordship. > > > > Where the hell exactly do you live? Obviously it is not in the US. > > > He lives in the state of De-nial. > > Gunner > I thought that was a river in Egypt? -- -- Peace! Om "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. They have never forgotten this." - Heinlein Quote
Guest Roger Denney Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:27:45 GMT, Buck Mulligan <bkmulligan@comcast.net> wrote: >In talk.politics.guns Roger Denney <rgdenney@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:14:13 -0700, tankfixer >><paul.carrier@us.kat.army.mil> wrote: >> >>>In article <md5pu39riubocsud7v3njah132o5pnnfc1@4ax.com>, >>>rgdenney@yahoo.com says... >>>> >>>> 3 killed in Ga. hospital shooting spree >>> >>>Celebrating a loon makes you one my friend >> >>Who is "celebrating"? > >You are, you sick twisted fuck. [chuckle] And these is exactly the type of response I have come to associate with gun-goons like you. Do you really think you should be allowed to own guns by sane people like me, when you make such crude remarks? Quote
Guest Roger Denney Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:04:44 -0400, AstonBarrett <FAMILYMAN@Bass.gov.> wrote: >Roger Denney wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:23:17 -0400, AstonBarrett <FAMILYMAN@Bass.gov.> >> wrote: >> >> >>>Roger Denney wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:02:15 -0700 (PDT), stickyw >>>><stickyweather@aol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Sure, blame the guns. Its never the killer's fault. >>>> >>>> >>>>Isn't it odd that so many Americans turn to guns to kill one another? >>> >>>It is odd that you believe that. >>>So very few Americans do, Roger. >> >> >> You seem to forget that in other countries, its MUCH less due to gun >> control laws they have there. > >You seem to forget those "other countries" also have less murder when >using OTHER weapons as well... so your point is moot. > > So when are you going to move? Not at all. In other countries people are not as afraid of each other as they are here. Why? Because millions of cretins like you are walking around with guns at the ready (to kill) that is. Quote
Guest Buck Mulligan Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 In talk.politics.guns Roger Denney <rgdenney@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:27:45 GMT, Buck Mulligan ><bkmulligan@comcast.net> wrote: > >>In talk.politics.guns Roger Denney <rgdenney@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:14:13 -0700, tankfixer >>><paul.carrier@us.kat.army.mil> wrote: >>> >>>>In article <md5pu39riubocsud7v3njah132o5pnnfc1@4ax.com>, >>>>rgdenney@yahoo.com says... >>>>> >>>>> 3 killed in Ga. hospital shooting spree >>>> >>>>Celebrating a loon makes you one my friend >>> >>>Who is "celebrating"? >> >>You are, you sick twisted fuck. [chuckle] > >And these is exactly the type of response I have come to associate >with gun-goons like you. > >Do you really think you should be allowed to own guns by sane >people like me, when you make such crude remarks? Abso-fucking-lutely. Our ability to discern your aberrant behavior makes us better citizens than you. You enjoy reading about people getting shot and murdered. Sick and twisted fucks like yourself should have their own room at Atascadero. Quote
Guest Mike Smith Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:50:15 -0700, Roger Denney <rgdenney@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:27:45 GMT, Buck Mulligan ><bkmulligan@comcast.net> wrote: > >>In talk.politics.guns Roger Denney <rgdenney@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:14:13 -0700, tankfixer >>><paul.carrier@us.kat.army.mil> wrote: >>> >>>>In article <md5pu39riubocsud7v3njah132o5pnnfc1@4ax.com>, >>>>rgdenney@yahoo.com says... >>>>> >>>>> 3 killed in Ga. hospital shooting spree >>>> >>>>Celebrating a loon makes you one my friend >>> >>>Who is "celebrating"? >> >>You are, you sick twisted fuck. [chuckle] > >And these is exactly the type of response I have come to associate >with gun-goons like you. > >Do you really think you should be allowed to own guns by sane >people like me, when you make such crude remarks? You do not have that power, no matter how much you "think" you do... The second amendment gives every law-abiding citizen the right to own guns. You have absolutely no say in the matter. Mike Smith Quote
Guest RD (The Sandman) Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 "Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com> wrote in news:ztBHj.97571$yE1.87906@attbi_s21: > > "nc@gntbcr.com" <Not PC> wrote in message > news:tukqu39261jhf62jok4j6j82vp3tpef7l0@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:29:35 -0000, "\"The Rifleman\"" >> <survivor@northland.com> wrote: >> >>>and 30,000 yanks a year dont die from gun shot wounds, yeah dream on >>>boys. >>> >> >> OH MY GAWD! At that rate, all us "yanks" will be dead of gun shots >> in only 20,000 years. (more than half the "gun dead" are from >> suicide) > > And most of the others are criminal on criminal. About 65% of homicides in a city will involve either drug or gang activity or both. -- RD (The Sandman) War is absolute hell.....but to give in to terrorism is much, much worse Quote
Guest Scout Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 "Roger Denney" <rgdenney@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1jhuu316eslqd0c2fnnor4q84u7244fjmt@4ax.com... > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:04:44 -0400, AstonBarrett <FAMILYMAN@Bass.gov.> > wrote: > >>Roger Denney wrote: >>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:23:17 -0400, AstonBarrett <FAMILYMAN@Bass.gov.> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Roger Denney wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:02:15 -0700 (PDT), stickyw >>>>><stickyweather@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Sure, blame the guns. Its never the killer's fault. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Isn't it odd that so many Americans turn to guns to kill one another? >>>> >>>>It is odd that you believe that. >>>>So very few Americans do, Roger. >>> >>> >>> You seem to forget that in other countries, its MUCH less due to gun >>> control laws they have there. >> >>You seem to forget those "other countries" also have less murder when >>using OTHER weapons as well... so your point is moot. >> >> So when are you going to move? > > Not at all. In other countries people are not as afraid of each other > as they are here. > > Why? > > Because millions of cretins like you are walking around with guns at > the ready (to kill) that is. Then how do you explain all those countries that have homicide rates that are higher than ours? Quote
Guest Buck Mulligan Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 In talk.politics.guns "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote: > >"Roger Denney" <rgdenney@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1jhuu316eslqd0c2fnnor4q84u7244fjmt@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:04:44 -0400, AstonBarrett <FAMILYMAN@Bass.gov.> >> wrote: >> >>>Roger Denney wrote: >>>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:23:17 -0400, AstonBarrett <FAMILYMAN@Bass.gov.> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Roger Denney wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:02:15 -0700 (PDT), stickyw >>>>>><stickyweather@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Sure, blame the guns. Its never the killer's fault. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Isn't it odd that so many Americans turn to guns to kill one another? >>>>> >>>>>It is odd that you believe that. >>>>>So very few Americans do, Roger. >>>> >>>> >>>> You seem to forget that in other countries, its MUCH less due to gun >>>> control laws they have there. >>> >>>You seem to forget those "other countries" also have less murder when >>>using OTHER weapons as well... so your point is moot. >>> >>> So when are you going to move? >> >> Not at all. In other countries people are not as afraid of each other >> as they are here. >> >> Why? >> >> Because millions of cretins like you are walking around with guns at >> the ready (to kill) that is. > >Then how do you explain all those countries that have homicide rates that >are higher than ours? Evil Gun Rays [tm] do not begin to dissipate until they've traveled roughly the distance between here and Jupiter, Roger's home planet. Quote
Guest Omelet Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 In article <Xns9A714797D5BF2Sandman@216.196.97.136>, "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote: > "Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com> wrote in > news:ztBHj.97571$yE1.87906@attbi_s21: > > > > > "nc@gntbcr.com" <Not PC> wrote in message > > news:tukqu39261jhf62jok4j6j82vp3tpef7l0@4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:29:35 -0000, "\"The Rifleman\"" > >> <survivor@northland.com> wrote: > >> > >>>and 30,000 yanks a year dont die from gun shot wounds, yeah dream on > >>>boys. > >>> > >> > >> OH MY GAWD! At that rate, all us "yanks" will be dead of gun shots > >> in only 20,000 years. (more than half the "gun dead" are from > >> suicide) > > > > And most of the others are criminal on criminal. > > > About 65% of homicides in a city will involve either drug or gang > activity or both. Which is yet one more good reason to end the "war on drugs". -- -- Peace! Om "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. They have never forgotten this." - Heinlein Quote
Guest AstonBarrett Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 robw wrote: > What happens if the first bullet is no "well placed"??? Fire number's 2.. 3.. 4.. etc, until the threat is gone. Can't you count? Quote
Guest Dan Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 tankfixer wrote: > In article <4YdHj.38$ta2.3@trndny05>, davebugg2@yahoo.com says... >> HeyBub wrote: >> >>> I ran across something similar: >>> >>> "Women want men who can sail ships, set broken bones, plant crops, >>> cook dinner, write a masterpiece, solve equations, invent and repair >>> machines, teach a child, help a friend, respect and love a woman (and >>> be respected and loved by her), play sports, make a just decision, >>> climb a volcano, dress plainly and elegantly, defeat oppression with >>> a band of brothers, never say die but die bravely, dance willingly, >>> retain a sense of humour, treat animals kindly, love God, speak >>> honestly, and act resourcefully in the face of adversity. . ." >>> >>> Or at least Spartan women do... >> There ya go :-) Robert Heinlein gets the credit for mine: 'Time Enough for >> Love' > > A great man... Sure, if you appreciate big government fascists... OK author, bad political theorist. Dan Quote
Guest robw Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 What happens if the first bullet is no "well placed"??? What is I'm there to visit my wife and it hits me?? I'll tell you what...you will loose your ass in a civil suit. "Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message news:cc00b018-d0f0-4eee-a6df-9ee14834320a@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 28, 5:35 am, "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names" > <PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > A gun at the nurse's station would have resulted in twice as many > > bullets flying around with more people killed or wounded. > > And the way you know this is? Oh that's right. It says so right in > your "Brady Campaign" manual! > > Sorry, brownshirt, but after the FIRST well-placed bullet the "nut > job" doesn't get to fire any more bullets. > > loon. Quote
Guest Gunner Asch Posted March 30, 2008 Posted March 30, 2008 On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:52:58 -0700, Buck Mulligan <bkmulligan@comcast.net> wrote: >In talk.politics.guns Roger Denney <rgdenney@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:27:45 GMT, Buck Mulligan >><bkmulligan@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>>In talk.politics.guns Roger Denney <rgdenney@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:14:13 -0700, tankfixer >>>><paul.carrier@us.kat.army.mil> wrote: >>>> >>>>>In article <md5pu39riubocsud7v3njah132o5pnnfc1@4ax.com>, >>>>>rgdenney@yahoo.com says... >>>>>> >>>>>> 3 killed in Ga. hospital shooting spree >>>>> >>>>>Celebrating a loon makes you one my friend >>>> >>>>Who is "celebrating"? >>> >>>You are, you sick twisted fuck. [chuckle] >> >>And these is exactly the type of response I have come to associate >>with gun-goons like you. >> >>Do you really think you should be allowed to own guns by sane >>people like me, when you make such crude remarks? > >Abso-fucking-lutely. > >Our ability to discern your aberrant behavior makes us better citizens >than you. You enjoy reading about people getting shot and murdered. >Sick and twisted fucks like yourself should have their own room at >Atascadero. Buck..you live in California? Im outside of Bakersfield a few miles Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner Quote
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