Judges societites elite? or frauds?

[WhiskeyDitka]

Well I'm totally new to this forum so first I'll say hello and I hope you guys enjoy my posts and/or my responses. I want to rant on this awe inspiring attitude, that we as people, have come to hand people, I believe deserve nothing. These people are Judges in any court. We refer to them as "Your honor." Even after they fine you $75 for not wearing your seatbelt, we will still hold them on some higher plane. I've never been one to give a man respect based on the amount of time they have spent in school or at their job. Respect is earned by doing what is right all the time regardless of consequences. Judges hardly live by this code. Why do we hold these guy so high? Their job is to read laws they don't make and whether or not they agree with them or even if they are right enforce them.

 

Think about some of the terrible laws in history that have been enforced by judges. How many bribes have been taken by Judges? Now, I know that there are good judges out there and to those I tip my hat to. My main point here is that the day where men get respect by their Titles, Names, Social Status, or even the amount of Education is over. At least in America which is what I'm most in tune with.

 

Since the constitution was written all that judges have done is take away more of our freedoms. Yet we still regard them as elite. We have a criminal system where you can get 8-12 years for raping a women but receive 15-25 years for selling cocaine. Yet we still give them our faith. Everyday it seems you can read an article about some rich guy getting away with murder only because he had the most expensive lawyer in town. The majority of judges are frauds and they ruin the checks and balances system we have in place. Once elected to the supreme court they stay there until they die. Yet the longest anyone "elected official" can stay is 8 years. Someone please explain this logic to me.

 

What I ask you guys is what is it that I should admire about these men? Is it the dedication they have to laws they didn't right? Anyone can do that. Is it the knowledge that they have for all the laws? Is it their ability to interpret the gray area of a law? Or, am I onto something and these guys are frauds in society.

[hugo]

. Yet we still regard them as elite. We have a criminal system where you can get 8-12 years for raping a women but receive 15-25 years for selling cocaine. Yet we still give them our faith. Everyday it seems you can read an article about some rich guy getting away with murder only because he had the most expensive lawyer in town.

 

The first problem is primarily the fault of state legislatures, the second one the juries. Remove thy head from ass before posting again.

[snafu]

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[ImWithStupid]

Well I'm totally new to this forum so first I'll say hello and I hope you guys enjoy my posts and/or my responses.

 

Go to the members lounge, and make an introduction thread.

 

I want to rant on this awe inspiring attitude, that we as people, have come to hand people, I believe deserve nothing. These people are Judges in any court. We refer to them as "Your honor." Even after they fine you $75 for not wearing your seatbelt, we will still hold them on some higher plane. I've never been one to give a man respect based on the amount of time they have spent in school or at their job. Respect is earned by doing what is right all the time regardless of consequences. Judges hardly live by this code. Why do we hold these guy so high? Their job is to read laws they don't make and whether or not they agree with them or even if they are right enforce them.

 

A judges job is not to enforce laws, it's to interpret laws and act to ensure that the rules of the court are enforced during hearings, trials, etc...

 

Think about some of the terrible laws in history that have been enforced by judges. How many bribes have been taken by Judges? Now, I know that there are good judges out there and to those I tip my hat to. My main point here is that the day where men get respect by their Titles, Names, Social Status, or even the amount of Education is over. At least in America which is what I'm most in tune with.

 

As has already been said by Hugo and snafu, Judges don't write the laws. To address your comment about bribes. This is a very rare instance and just as in any profession, there are some people who have no business in their profession.

 

Since the constitution was written all that judges have done is take away more of our freedoms. Yet we still regard them as elite. We have a criminal system where you can get 8-12 years for raping a women but receive 15-25 years for selling cocaine. Yet we still give them our faith. Everyday it seems you can read an article about some rich guy getting away with murder only because he had the most expensive lawyer in town. The majority of judges are frauds and they ruin the checks and balances system we have in place. Once elected to the supreme court they stay there until they die. Yet the longest anyone "elected official" can stay is 8 years. Someone please explain this logic to me.

 

A lot of the issues with sentences being lopsided is the result of strict sentencing guidelines for drug offenses.

 

What I ask you guys is what is it that I should admire about these men? Is it the dedication they have to laws they didn't right? Anyone can do that. Is it the knowledge that they have for all the laws? Is it their ability to interpret the gray area of a law? Or, am I onto something and these guys are frauds in society.

 

I apply the respect of judges as is done in the military. I always respect the position, but don't always respect the man in it.

[skategreen]

Go to the members lounge, and make an introduction thread.

 

 

I still haven't done that ...

 

am I in trouble too?

[ImWithStupid]

I still haven't done that ...

 

am I in trouble too?

 

Bad girl. Go to my room.

[TommyGun1928]

This whole thing reminds me of an episode of Judge Judy which I never actually saw. In the previews, the defendant was reluctant to call the judge "your honour" since he apparently outranked her because he was a doctor... or something. Anyway, the whole thing was shot to hell and the defendant didn't even get his case heard.

 

I agree completely with snafu. When appear to be giving respect to the judge, you are, in fact, doing so for the judicial system which members of western society hold so dear. That having been said, there's not much reason to complain about giving them an honourable title. Take a monarch, for instance. They're all born into the throne automatically, and thus are not there because of any kind of skill... but their title is, for some reason, 'your majesty'. It's basically the same thing, except to a lesser extent when it comes to a judge, who can still tip the scales in anyone's favour depending on their demeanor.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I still haven't done that ...

 

am I in trouble too?

 

Who is this person? ANybody here know? Quick, fetch the wet noodle, it's time for another lashing!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Well I'm totally new to this forum so first I'll say hello and I hope you guys enjoy my posts and/or my responses.

 

Hi. Welcome. Now say something intelligent.

 

 

...We refer to them as "Your honor." Even after they fine you $75 for not wearing your seatbelt, we will still hold them on some higher plane.

 

Well, so much for you saying something intelligent.

 

Dufus, they fine you for breaking the law! That's their job. That's what they are supposed to do. You had a choice to keep your $75 and wear the little seatbelt, you know, the device designed to keep you alive when you crash your vehicle. Stop whining.

 

...I've never been one to give a man respect based on the amount of time they have spent in school or at their job.

 

You probably don't garner much respect then do you? Statements like this are always a dead giveaway to me that you are young.

 

...Once elected to the supreme court they stay there until they die. Yet the longest anyone "elected official" can stay is 8 years. Someone please explain this logic to me.

 

What did you do during civics class in High School? Sleep?

 

The Supreme Court is the highest example of a democracy at work.

 

Let's review.

 

3 branches of government:

 

Executive: elected by the people (discounting the electoral college system which needs to go away) for a finite amount of time thereby ensuring protection from bad leaders and a dictatorship.

 

Legislative: elected directly by the people for a finite amount of time thereby ensuring that the laws which they author and vote on are reasonably consistent with the attitudes and desires of their constituents at that moment in time. Subject to modification and revision in a dynamic form of legislative action.

 

Judicial: Independent of either of the other 2 branches. Therefore, not obligated or directly influenced by either the executive or legislative branches. Everybody thinks that when a President like Bush Jr., gets to nominate Supreme Court justices, that somehow,that justice will become a puppet of the President.

 

Ha! Hardly.

 

It takes a justice about 1 microsecond after being sworn in to realize that their observation and opinion is the only thing that matters and that they owe nothing to anybody. History has proved this over and over. True, some justices are better than others but you know something, that's life. Where is it written that everything should be this way or that?

 

 

 

...What I ask you guys is what is it that I should admire about these men? Is it the dedication they have to laws they didn't right? Anyone can do that. Is it the knowledge that they have for all the laws? Is it their ability to interpret the gray area of a law? Or, am I onto something and these guys are frauds in society.

 

No, you're a dolt who needs a little more education and experience.

 

First off:

 

right: meaning correct

 

write: meaning to author

 

Now, I know you are young and I know for certain that you have never been in the military. In the military we have a code. It's called "Respect for the Office". What does that mean? It means that although I may have personal contempt for the individual for whatever reasons, I still respect the office the individual holds, and therefore give appropriate respect for that individual so long as they hold that office. Period.

 

I have observed judges whom I did not like. Still, I had respect for their office which they hold. If they disturbed me enough, I had the option of organizing a recall effort against them. That is a democracy.

 

Do yourself a favor, actually think things out.

[TommyGun1928]

Hi. Welcome. Now say something intelligent.

 

 

 

 

Well, so much for you saying something intelligent.

 

Dufus, they fine you for breaking the law! That's their job. That's what they are supposed to do. You had a choice to keep your $75 and wear the little seatbelt, you know, the device designed to keep you alive when you crash your vehicle. Stop whining.

 

 

 

You probably don't garner much respect then do you? Statements like this are always a dead giveaway to me that you are young.

 

 

 

What did you do during civics class in High School? Sleep?

 

The Supreme Court is the highest example of a democracy at work.

 

Let's review.

 

3 branches of government:

 

Executive: elected by the people (discounting the electoral college system which needs to go away) for a finite amount of time thereby ensuring protection from bad leaders and a dictatorship.

 

Legislative: elected directly by the people for a finite amount of time thereby ensuring that the laws which they author and vote on are reasonably consistent with the attitudes and desires of their constituents at that moment in time. Subject to modification and revision in a dynamic form of legislative action.

 

Judicial: Independent of either of the other 2 branches. Therefore, not obligated or directly influenced by either the executive or legislative branches. Everybody thinks that when a President like Bush Jr., gets to nominate Supreme Court justices, that somehow,that justice will become a puppet of the President.

 

Ha! Hardly.

 

It takes a justice about 1 microsecond after being sworn in to realize that their observation and opinion is the only thing that matters and that they owe nothing to anybody. History has proved this over and over. True, some justices are better than others but you know something, that's life. Where is it written that everything should be this way or that?

 

 

 

 

 

No, you're a dolt who needs a little more education and experience.

 

First off:

 

right: meaning correct

 

write: meaning to author

 

Now, I know you are young and I know for certain that you have never been in the military. In the military we have a code. It's called "Respect for the Office". What does that mean? It means that although I may have personal contempt for the individual for whatever reasons, I still respect the office the individual holds, and therefore give appropriate respect for that individual so long as they hold that office. Period.

 

I have observed judges whom I did not like. Still, I had respect for their office which they hold. If they disturbed me enough, I had the option of organizing a recall effort against them. That is a democracy.

 

Do yourself a favor, actually think things out.

 

You think you're so above this whole thing, when in fact all you're doing is stating the facts of the matter. The creator of the thread, aware of the specifics or not, simply wished to complain about it. Implying that you were in the military and had to give respect doesn't mean that he can't complain about that very thing.

 

Seriously, all you do is flame, dissect posts and use the emote.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You think you're so above this whole thing, when in fact all you're doing is stating the facts of the matter. The creator of the thread, aware of the specifics or not, simply wished to complain about it. Implying that you were in the military and had to give respect doesn't mean that he can't complain about that very thing.

 

Seriously, all you do is flame, dissect posts and use the emote.

 

Your so stupid it hurts.

 

The creator of the thread asked a question. I answered it. As expected, you missed the whole purpose of the military explanation.

 

Seriously, all you do is add a foul smell to the place.

 

Personally, I don't give a shit what you think piss-ant. You haven't contributed jack shit around here at all yet. I think you need more Idiot Box time but I will reserve judgment until later.

[ImWithStupid]

Your so stupid it hurts.

 

The creator of the thread asked a question. I answered it. As expected, you missed the whole purpose of the military explanation.

 

Bad thing is, I had also used a variant of your military explanation in my dissection of the original post, and tried to address the questions and misconceptions in it. You would think that after it was in the thread twice said in two different ways, a person would have understood the meaning.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Bad thing is, I had also used a variant of your military explanation in my dissection of the original post, and tried to address the questions and misconceptions in it. You would think that after it was in the thread twice said in two different ways, a person would have understood the meaning.

 

Exactly! Have some good rep!

[TommyGun1928]

"[My] so stupid it hurts" really hurts my feelings.

 

Most people can express their opinions without insulting the person to whom it is being addressed. Well, you're very clearly not one of those people. I understand the purpose of the double-dose of the "military explanation" that you guys keep verbally excreeting as a sort of argumental trump card. I said that the creator of the thread is simply complaining about it... you know, what we're here to do?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I only call them like I see them.

 

Perhaps you should improve your writing a tad bit more. Maybe offer some useful and engaging debate instead of your EMO and 21 year old "I know everything and have everything figured out" attitude?

 

I have debated numerous times here on many varied topics. I assure you I can hold my own.

 

However, I do enjoy a little gnaw on a greenhorn chew toy such as yourself, from time to time.

 

Stick around, you might learn something you didn't know. I know you don't think so...

[TommyGun1928]

I only call them like I see them.

 

Perhaps you should improve your writing a tad bit more. Maybe offer some useful and engaging debate instead of your EMO and 21 year old "I know everything and have everything figured out" attitude?

 

I have debated numerous times here on many varied topics. I assure you I can hold my own.

 

However, I do enjoy a little gnaw on a greenhorn chew toy such as yourself, from time to time.

 

Stick around, you might learn something you didn't know. I know you don't think so...

 

Whatever this 21-year-old-EMO-I-Know-Everything-And-Have-Everything-Figured-Out-Attitute you say I have is supposed to be, I can assure you that your opinion of my arguments can easily be dismissed as condescending mod-talk.

 

CES, you've been here for a few months. You think that your pretencious flames which do not relate to any issue at hand (except that this forum recruits assholes to lead with an iron fist in a leather glove) followed by your moderately-worded arguments counts as being an excellent debator.

 

In your time here, you've debated a lot of things. Because of your stubborness to change the manner with which you debate any given topic, your experience as a member of this forum is moot when it comes to debating.

 

I suggest that if you have any quarrel with me that we discuss it outsite of the forum, as flooding these forums with flame posts addressed to me is simply a waste of space, and is disruptive to the discussion of the topic at hand.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

...CES, you've been here for a few months...

 

Wrong. MUCH longer. I was away for 4 months for health issues. Nice try. Please continue.

 

You think that your pretencious flames which do not relate to any issue at hand (except that this forum recruits assholes to lead with an iron fist in a leather glove) followed by your moderately-worded arguments counts as being an excellent debator.

 

That sounds like a calling out. Care to actually Debate a real topic? I'll even let you choose if you like.

 

In your time here, you've debated a lot of things. Because of your stubborness to change the manner with which you debate any given topic, your experience as a member of this forum is moot when it comes to debating.

 

Oops. There you go again with ass-umptions. I CONSTANTLY change how I write on this forum. It's what allows me to engage people to write more themselves and endear people to me. You really go do your research on my posts if your going to critique them.

 

I suggest that if you have any quarrel with me that we discuss it outsite of the forum, as flooding these forums with flame posts addressed to me is simply a waste of space, and is disruptive to the discussion of the topic at hand.

 

I'm not flaming you. I'm shooting down your B.S. which I admit, it plentiful. Besides, there is plenty of space here on GF. Plenty. Now, care to choose your debate topic?