What Can America Do To Improve It's Global Reputation?

[Crazywumbat]

Who cares what the socialist pussies of Europe think?

 

Exactly, who cares about what anyone save ourselves think? After all, we all know how easy it would be to thrive as a country if we completely cut ourselves off from the rest of the world.

[hugo]

Exactly, who cares about what anyone save ourselves think? After all, we all know how easy it would be to thrive as a country if we completely cut ourselves off from the rest of the world.

 

Ain't no country in the world dumb enough to cut off the American consumer.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

And were you asleep during 1992 when he took office?

... There was a two year recession that was very mild compared to the recession started in 2000... for very different reasons. dip-shit!

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Not at all, were you -- sad little name-caller?

 

Clinton was the best... still is. Grieve.

Great debate, nim-rod... did you get all them smarts from your mommy or daddy?

 

Fact is, Clinton shipwrecked the greatest economy on earth... if you liked him that's one thing, but if you intentionally bury your head in the sand because you like him and can't listen to anything negative about that stupid arkansas hillbilly, that's another.

[ToriAllen]

Not at all, were you -- sad little name-caller?

 

Clinton was the best... still is. Grieve.

Reagan was the best. Always will be.

[builder]

Reagan was the best. Always will be.

 

Nancy was one tough cookie alright.

[hugo]

Reagan was the best. Always will be.

 

Goldwater would have been better.

[ImWithStupid]

Goldwater would have been better.

 

I think George Wallace would have been the best. He was running as an independant, that is, until he was shot.

 

 

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[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Goldwater would have been better.

Barry Goldwater? Talk about a "blast from the past" ... hugo, you are showing your age!

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Clinton RUINED our economy, dip-shit... or were you asleep during march 2000?

 

Basically, what you really mean is that Clinton didn't send troops into the middle east and massacre the muslims you hate so much. He was too soft right? Come on that's what you meant, or are you gonna deny it and say ''I don't hate anyone''. Try it, maybe Jesus(AS) will believe you and see what a ''good'' person you are and beg God to save you from Hell.

[ImWithStupid]

Basically, what you really mean is that Clinton didn't send troops into the middle east and massacre the muslims you hate so much. He was too soft right? Come on that's what you meant, or are you gonna deny it and say ''I don't hate anyone''. Try it, maybe Jesus(AS) will believe you and see what a ''good'' person you are and beg God to save you from Hell.

 

No. Clinton only bombed people when it benefited him, not the US or anyone else. (i.e. bombing raids, on Muslims, to deflect attention from his purjury case.)

 

Clinton was a pussy. (i.e. when Clinton pulled US forces out of Somalia after being attacked by Muslim extremist. US peacekeeping forces in that country, that were supplying humanitarian aid.)

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Clinton was a pussy. (i.e. when Clinton pulled US forces out of Somalia after being attacked by Muslim extremist. US peacekeeping forces in that country, that were supplying humanitarian aid.)

 

LOL. Still using that excuse for us kicking your butts,eh? Humanitarian Aid? Last time I checked, my fellow brethren shot down fighter planes. When are you people gonna learn that the world is better off without your ''help''.Maybe people would appreciate your ''help'' if it didn't involve killing their children and setting their homes on fire. And when people choose to defend themselves against your illigal invasion, they are called, ''extremists, terrorist..'' or whatever names you come up with in your sick little minds.

[Hamza123]

LOL. Still using that excuse for us kicking your butts,eh? Humanitarian Aid? Last time I checked, my fellow brethren shot down fighter planes. When are you people gonna learn that the world is better off without your ''help''.Maybe people would appreciate your ''help'' if it didn't involve killing their children and setting their homes on fire. And when people choose to defend themselves against your illigal invasion, they are called, ''extremists, terrorist..'' or whatever names you come up with in your sick little minds.

 

Wallah! I feel like repping you AIG. I bolded the part I love best.

 

KryptoniteMan, washington has something new to fear.

[ImWithStupid]

LOL. Still using that excuse for us kicking your butts,eh? Humanitarian Aid? Last time I checked, my fellow brethren shot down fighter planes. When are you people gonna learn that the world is better off without your ''help''.Maybe people would appreciate your ''help'' if it didn't involve killing their children and setting their homes on fire. And when people choose to defend themselves against your illigal invasion, they are called, ''extremists, terrorist..'' or whatever names you come up with in your sick little minds.

 

First of all, I was referring to Afghanistan when I spoke of how Clinton wouldn't have done anything when he was in office.

 

Secon, when I referred to him bombing people for his own gain. He did bomb Muslims.

 

Your complete rebuttal had no basis on my post intent.

 

FYI. Until US troops were attacked in Somalia they did not and could not fire upon anyone, based on the rules of engagement (something that the insurgents aren't able to comprehend).

 

The reason that the Somalian warlords attacked the US soldiers was because they were preventing them from taking the food and medical supplies and exploiting their own, Muslim mind you, people to make a profit from those supplies to fund their own civil conflict. A conflict that was Muslim warlord sect fighting other Muslim warlord sects.

 

Who was killing women and children in Somalia? Muslims, not Americans.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

First of all, I was referring to Afghanistan when I spoke of how Clinton wouldn't have done anything when he was in office.

 

Secon, when I referred to him bombing people for his own gain. He did bomb Muslims.

 

Your complete rebuttal had no basis on my post intent.

 

FYI. Until US troops were attacked in Somalia they did not and could not fire upon anyone, based on the rules of engagement (something that the insurgents aren't able to comprehend).

 

The reason that the Somalian warlords attacked the US soldiers was because they were preventing them from taking the food and medical supplies and exploiting their own, Muslim mind you, people to make a profit from those supplies to fund their own civil conflict. A conflict that was Muslim warlord sect fighting other Muslim warlord sects.

 

Who was killing women and children in Somalia? Muslims, not Americans.

 

First of all make up your mind, Somalian warlord or Muslim warlord?

For someone who continously says he doesn't hate muslims, you sure do try and make them out to be monsters.

Who on earth fed you that bullshit. Americans didn't shoot back, that's why they lost? Please, american troops shoot at anything that moves.

Keep being delusional and trying desperately to tell yourself that your troops are always heroes. To you they never make mistakes. When they shoot a kid, you say,''He was only trying to get the dude behind him,duh, ofcourse the kid is big enough to hide a full grown man, he's a hero,he's hero.''

Oh, I can't wait for the day that your ''heroes'' will be brought in front of God with so much blood on their hands for all the innocent people they heroicly massacred. You're just another hypocrite. You really think we're dumb enough to believe that you don't hate us? And do you actually believe that those heroes of yours will not face trial? Maybe they'll get away with it in this life but when they enter the grave, there's no one to protect them or stand up for them. No-one to give them medals for the evils they have done.

It's all about the wait and that time will come whether any of you like it or not.

[ImWithStupid]

First of all make up your mind, Somalian warlord or Muslim warlord?

 

How bout, they are the same thing. Kinda like the whole Allah = God thing. The Somali warlords were Muslim. Same person different descriptor.

 

For someone who continously says he doesn't hate muslims, you sure do try and make them out to be monsters.

Who on earth fed you that bullshit. Americans didn't shoot back, that's why they lost? Please, american troops shoot at anything that moves.

 

Rules of engagement caused many casualties to US soldiers, in Somalia. They had to wait until they were damn sure that the shots fired, were at them, not around them, at them, before they were permitted to fire back.

 

You keep referring to Iraq, when I'm talking about Somalia. What's up with that?

[wez]

The best way... We stop being hypocrites and ask G.W., Rummy, and Cheney to sacrifice themselves for the good of the country.. We say we're sorry, elect some honest people, and hand them over as war criminals to stand trial. Watch our popularity zoooooooooomm.

[daddybear41]

The best way... We stop being hypocrites and ask G.W., Rummy, and Cheney to sacrifice themselves for the good of the country.. We say we're sorry, elect some honest people, and hand them over as war criminals to stand trial. Watch our popularity zoooooooooomm.

 

Or use a firing squad.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

How bout, they are the same thing. Kinda like the whole Allah = God thing. The Somali warlords were Muslim. Same person different descriptor.

 

Obviously you haven't grasped the meaning of Muslim.Perhaps you should go to my other post which you pretended to have read. Gosh, people are just so stupid.

 

Rules of engagement caused many casualties to US soldiers, in Somalia. They had to wait until they were damn sure that the shots fired, were at them, not around them, at them, before they were permitted to fire back.

 

Ofcourse, they just stood there and looked at the bullets heading their way. What a funny scenario. ''YOU SHOOTING AT ME DUDE!? Duh, I invaded your country but you still don't have the right to shoot at me. I don't have a problem with you, I just came to change your kid's chest into a sieve, Duh drool ''

 

Stop making your ''heroes'' seem dumb. Atleast give them some credit by saying that they knew exactly what they were doing and that was to take over a poor country.They just didn't expect them to put up a fight and WIN! Woohoo!

 

You keep referring to Iraq, when I'm talking about Somalia. What's up with that?

 

Um, Iraq? Did I mention Iraq? Listen stupid, If you're too dumb to actually read what people are writing, perhaps you should go and play with a baby rattle. That shouldn't be too difficult, unless you don't know where the sound will be coming from, then you got YOURSELF A PROBLEM.

[daddybear41]

Hey, you can't speak truth to Imwithstupid... shucks, she's a SPONSOR!!!

 

hahahahhahaahhaahahahahaha GEEZ...

[ImWithStupid]

Obviously you haven't grasped the meaning of Muslim.Perhaps you should go to my other post which you pretended to have read. Gosh, people are just so stupid.

 

So he couldn't be a warlord and a follower of Islam at the same time. Look who's being naive, now.

 

Again I wasn't generalizing Muslims. I was referring to particular Somali Warlords who happen to be Muslims. Why so defensive?

 

Um, Iraq? Did I mention Iraq? Listen stupid, If you're too dumb to actually read what people are writing, perhaps you should go and play with a baby rattle. That shouldn't be too difficult, unless you don't know where the sound will be coming from, then you got YOURSELF A PROBLEM.

 

You keep talking about invading some country. Somalia was a UN peacekeeping mission. Not an invasion. Do some research.

[ToriAllen]

Atleast give them some credit by saying that they knew exactly what they were doing and that was to take over a poor country.They just didn't expect them to put up a fight and WIN! Woohoo!

Why would we have any interest in taking over a shit hole like Somalia? If we were going to take over a country, don’t you think we would go for one that would provide us with a little more benefit? Yes, Somalia was such a peaceful place before the Americans arrived…

Majeerteen Coup Attempt in Somalia 1978

Siad Barre apparently resented the [Majeerteen] clan's prominence, and as early as 1970 was singling out the Majeerteen lineages for alleged opposition to his reform efforts. Majeerteen officers were the primary organizers of an unsuccessful coup in April 1978, following the army's humiliating defeat in the Ogaden War. An estimated 500 rebel soldiers were killed in fighting with forces loyal to Siad Barre, and subsequently seventeen officers, all but one of them Majeerteen, were executed...

The Red Berets systematically smashed the small reservoirs in the area around Galcaio so as to deny water to the Umar Mahamuud Majeerteen sublineages and their herds. In May and June 1979, more than 2,000 Umar Mahamuud, the Majeerteen sublineage of Colonel Ahmad, died of thirst in the waterless area northeast of Galcaio, Garoowe, and Jerriiban. In Galcaio, members of the Victory Pioneers, the urban militia notorious for harassing civilians, raped large numbers of Majeerteen women. In addition, the clan lost an estimated 50,000 camels, 10,000 cattle, and 100,000 sheep and goats.

Majeerteen Insurgency in Somalia 1978-1986

In 1982 SSDF guerrillas with Ethiopian army units, occupied areas along the border, including two district towns, but it was not until 1988 that they began to extend their control over the western districts of Mudug Region and the southern areas of Nugaal and Bari regions...

Throughout the late 1970s, growing discontent with the regime's policies and personalities prompted the defection of numerous government officials and the establishment of several insurgent movements. Because unauthorized political activity was prohibited, these organizations were based abroad.

The SSF, which received assistance from Ethiopia and Libya, claimed to command a guerrilla force numbering in the thousands. Despite its shortcomings, the SSDF played a key role in fighting between Somalia and Ethiopia in the summer of 1982. After a SNA force infiltrated the Ogaden, joined with the WSLF and attacked an Ethiopian army unit outside Shilabo, about 150 kilometers northwest of Beledweyne, Ethiopia retaliated by launching an operation against Somalia. On June 30, 1982, Ethiopian army units, together with SSDF guerrillas, struck at several points along Ethiopia's southern border with Somalia. They crushed the SNA unit in Balumbale and then occupied that village. In August 1982, the Ethiopian/SSDF force took the village of Goldogob, about 50 kiloeters northwest of Galcaio. After the United States provided emergency military assistance to Somalia, the Ethiopian attacks ceased.

Somalian Revolution 1990-1991

... The fighting forced United Nations staff and other aid workers to abandon the country in May, and the assassination of the Roman Catholic bishop of Mogadishu on July 9, 1989, led to more violence. Under pressure from the rebels and civilian street fighting President Barre, who had nationalized most of the economy in the 1970s, promised to hold multiparty elections. But united rebel groups thwarted elections and eventually launched a successful coup against Barre in late December 1990; Barre fled the country a month later.

Somalian Civil War 1991-1993

The USC's announcement of a provisional government in February 1991 angered its allies, who maintained that they had not been consulted. Other opposition movements, particularly the SSDF, felt that the USC had slighted their long years of struggle against the Siad Barre regime, and refused to accept the legitimacy of the provisional government.

Violent clashes throughout March threatened to return the country to civil war. Although in early April 1991, the USC and its guerrilla opponents in the south agreed to a cease-fire, this agreement broke down in the latter part of the year as fighting spread throughout those areas of Somalia under the nominal control of the provisional government. During February there were clashes between SNM and USF fighters in Saylac and its environs.

On May 18, 1991, the SNM declared the independence of the Republic of Somaliland. The USC interim government opposed this declaration, arguing instead for a unified Somalia. Apart from these political disagreements, fighting broke out between and within the USC and SPM. To make matters worse, guerrilla groups proliferated; by late 1991, numerous movements vied for political power, including the United Somali Front (Iise), Somali Democratic Alliance (Gadabursi), United Somali Party (Dulbahante), Somali Democratic Movement (Rahanwayn), and Somali National Front (Mareehaan). The collapse of the nation state system and the emergence of clan-based guerrilla movements and militias that became governing authorities persuaded most Western observers that national reconciliation would be a long and difficult process.

Interim president Mahammad emerged as the most prominent Abgaal leader whereas Aidid emerged as the most influential Habar Gidir leader. Fighters loyal to each man clashed in the streets of Mogadishu during the summer of 1991, then engaged in open battle beginning in September. By the end of the year, the fighting had resulted in divided control of the capital.

A United Nations-mediated cease-fire agreement that came into effect in March 1992 helped to reduce the level of fighting, but did not end all the violence. Aidid's faction of the USC comprised an estimated 10,000 guerrillas. Many of these men looted food supplies destined for famine victims and interfered with the operations of the international relief agencies. They justified their actions on the grounds that the assistance would help their enemies, the USC faction loyal to Mahammad. The proMahammad forces included an estimated 5,000 fighters. They also used food as a weapon.

In Mogadishu the precipitate appointment of a USC interim government triggered a bitter feud between rival Hawiye clan factions. The forces of the two rival warlords, General Maxamed Farax Caydiid (Muhammad Farah Aydid) and Cali Mahdi Maxamed (Ali Mahdi Muhammad), tore the capital apart and battled with Siyaad's regrouped clan militia, the Somali National Front, for control of the southern coast and hinterland. This brought war and devastation to the grain-producing region between the rivers, spreading famine throughout southern Somalia. Attempts to distribute relief food were undermined by systematic looting and rake-offs by militias. In December 1992 the United States led a multinational force of more than 35,000 troops, which imposed an uneasy peace on the principal warring clans and pushed supplies into the famine-stricken areas. The military operation provided support for a unique effort at peacemaking by the United Nations. In January and March 1993, representatives of 15 Somali factions signed peace and disarmament treaties in Addis Ababa, but by June the security situation had deteriorated. American and European forces, suffering an unacceptable number of casualties, were withdrawn by March 1994. The UN force was reduced to military units from mainly Third World countries, and the clan-based tensions that had precipitated the civil war remained unresolved.

 

http://www.onwar.com/aced/nation/sat/somalia/index.htm

[Pyro4298]

Why do we need to improve our rep? We're the most powerful country on Earth!

[ImWithStupid]

Why do we need to improve our rep? We're the most powerful country on Earth!

 

I agree, but we're sliding at a rate that I'm not comfortable with. Every great nation or empire in history has had it's downfall. Don't think that the US is immune.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

So he couldn't be a warlord and a follower of Islam at the same time. Look who's being naive, now.

 

If he followed Islam, he wouldn't be a warlord.

 

Again I wasn't generalizing Muslims. I was referring to particular Somali Warlords who happen to be Muslims. Why so defensive?

 

Iam defensive because stupid people like you haven't grasped the idea that a person is only a muslim when he/she follows the law of God. If they do anything outside of that (eg killing innocent people), then they are not muslims.Maybe for christians it is OK to consider a person a christian even though they don't even carry out the basics of christianity, but not for us. I don't like people to say things about my religion without knowledge.

 

You keep talking about invading some country. Somalia was a UN peacekeeping mission. Not an invasion. Do some research.

 

It might have been, but they certainly didn't do much.Just added more fuel to the crises.