Hey, why don't we "LIBERATE" Burma?

[phreakwars]

Seeings how we shoved our nose into the "OPPRESSED IRAQI PEOPLE" and "LIBERATED THEM" in the spoils of democracy, don't you think we should stick our nose into burma's business as well and help out the monks who seek democracy?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=484903

 

Here's one from one of my favorite opinion makers on the subject:

 

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[snafu]

Well I agree we should try to stop oppression wherever it sprouts but we haven’t even done anything in Darfur where there’s complete genocide going on. The simple fact is we can’t. Our armies are already stretched to the limit. We need to pick our battles. Iraq had or believed to have had WMDs. Not only our inelegance but also other countries came to the same conclusion. Oppression was only secondary. With the nations of the world becoming more and more passive we can’t take on the worlds human rights violations by ourselves. We have Iran to worry about and you have others like Giuliani that still think capturing or killing Bin Laden should be a high priority. Our hands are tied. Yes Iraq is rich with oil. Oil is the blood line of life for the world so it was a priority. I don't think that was wrong to go there first. You can't fight a war without it. I hate to do the chant but we need to use diplomacy and sanctions first in Burma.

[snafu]

I really wish we could go in there and help them with there plight.

[ToriAllen]

Seeings how we shoved our nose into the "OPPRESSED IRAQI PEOPLE" and "LIBERATED THEM" in the spoils of democracy, don't you think we should stick our nose into burma's business as well and help out the monks who seek democracy?

We stuck our nose in Iraq's business in order to eliminate a threat. How many UN sanctions has Burma ignored? How many viable threats toward the US have been made?

 

In an ideal world the US could play Superman with every oppressed country in the world, but in a realistic one, we don't have the man power or the mentality to do that. If our culture was different and we weren't raising our kids to be pussies, then we might have the military numbers and support that would be needed to help out in Burma. As it is people were complaining that we divided our forces up too much just between Afganistan and Iraq. I'd love to hear what they would have to say if we divided them even more and went into Burma.

 

You know we do help out in a lot of conflicts without actually going to war. We have at least a minor presence in most major conflicts. It might not be on the books and we might not send in large numbers of soldiers, but chances are, we are there.

[timesjoke]

America accounts for a very small percentage of the world's population but we do most of the major work in areas of humanatarian aid or military action and to be honest, I wish we would step back more and let these other nations that keep using their veto powers on the UN security council step up and take action for a change.

 

 

China has burma under her wing and without China, we can't do anything to help anyway.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

America, f ck yeah! Here we come to save the motherf ckin day!!

[ToriAllen]

Now I'll have that damn song stuck in my head for the next two hours. Thanks.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

no problem babe!

[ToriAllen]

America accounts for a very small percentage of the world's population but we do most of the major work in areas of humanatarian aid or military action and to be honest, I wish we would step back more and let these other nations that keep using their veto powers on the UN security council step up and take action for a change.

 

 

China has burma under her wing and without China, we can't do anything to help anyway.

 

Didn't you know, we are supposed to mind our own business AND save all of the oppressed peoples of the world...ignore political ties and influences while simultaniously appeasing all of the world leaders and populations...pretend to be tolerant of other cultures and countries, when we aren't even tolerant of the differences in our own country...and, of-course, offer humanitarian aid to the countries that hate us while we encourage the problems of ignorance and poverty to fester in our own backyard.

[wez]

I think we should mind our own stench until a time we are perfect. I'd like to believe we're always the good guy, but I don't think so... We care more about oil than people. China is quite an oppressive place, do we wanna fight a billion people? May not have a choice one day.. I say "liberate" ourselves before someone decides to do what we do, to us.

[ImWithStupid]

I think the US should stop being the worlds policeman, make the UN and the other countries involved, (especially the countries in the UN security council) buck up and take care of some these problems on their own, without military or economic support from the US.

 

See what gets done (if anything). We need to tell France, Russia, China, etc... that the ball is in their court, we're tied up at the moment.

 

For decades the US has given aid and money to nations all over the world and they still hate us. Why bother.

 

With the way our economy is headed, the US needs to just worry about the conflicts we are already in, and get the ship righted.

[timesjoke]

I think we should mind our own stench until a time we are perfect. I'd like to believe we're always the good guy, but I don't think so... We care more about oil than people. China is quite an oppressive place, do we wanna fight a billion people? May not have a choice one day.. I say "liberate" ourselves before someone decides to do what we do, to us.

 

 

To a certain degree I agree with you but being an isolationist does not work either.

 

How loudly would you be screaming if you had no gas to drive your car or electricity to have lights, air conditioning, or even run your computer? A big society like America must work to protect our intrests or we will fall apart.

 

The day our society can survive without products, oil, and food imported to keep us alive, is the day we can isolate ourselves from the world.

[ImWithStupid]

The main reason we don't "liberate" Burma is that there is no country named Burma. Now if you mean the Union of Myanmar, I would understand the question.

 

Seriously though. Like I said in other posts, I think the US needs to quit acting as the worlds policeman, stop funding the UN actions, and make countries like France, China, Russia and such that continue to criticize what the US does, step up and solve some problems instead of just bitch about how the US tries. At least the US does try.

 

"In a moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing. The worst thing you can do is nothing." ~ Theodore Roosevelt

[wez]

To a certain degree I agree with you but being an isolationist does not work either.

 

How loudly would you be screaming if you had no gas to drive your car or electricity to have lights, air conditioning, or even run your computer? A big society like America must work to protect our intrests or we will fall apart.

 

The day our society can survive without products, oil, and food imported to keep us alive, is the day we can isolate ourselves from the world.

 

That's all fine and dandy, and I'm sure you think it's ok for other countries to use force on us to acheive this as well? What's good for the goose is good for gander.. correct? China has the people, resources, and our money.. you wouldn't mind a little Communist invasion as a big society like China must work to protect their interests or they will fall apart. I fully expect you to lay down and obey your new masters in the name of all that's good for America..

 

And since China has a billion people vs. 250 million.. The force should be 4 times as great.. Yay America!

 

One last word of warning.. if you fight back, you are a terrorist..

[wez]

Don't worry though TJ.. that'll never happen.. We've made it quite clear to the rest of the world, and built the nuclear weapons to prove it, that if we can't have "her", no one can.. Funny, kinda like psychotically obsessed men and Phil Hartmanns wife who kill their spouse when loss of "power" is eminant.. go figure.

[timesjoke]

That's all fine and dandy, and I'm sure you think it's ok for other countries to use force on us to acheive this as well? What's good for the goose is good for gander.. correct? China has the people, resources, and our money.. you wouldn't mind a little Communist invasion as a big society like China must work to protect their interests or they will fall apart. I fully expect you to lay down and obey your new masters in the name of all that's good for America..

 

You must understand basic economics to know why your comment is so silly but to give you a basic idea, how does it help China to disrupt the economy of the biggest wastful consumers they are sending products to?

 

A war on our soil would stop people from buying the products they are selling.

 

And since China has a billion people vs. 250 million.. The force should be 4 times as great.. Yay America!

 

One last word of warning.. if you fight back, you are a terrorist..

 

While China does have a larger military, they have a few barriers to keep them from being able to attack America.

 

First, how do they get all those troops here in the first place? Let's say we cannot destroy the ships for the sake of arguement, that still means they can only get about 10% of their soldiers on our soil with any reasonable time frame. Easy pickings.

 

Second, how do they supply these troops? Keep them fed? Etc.....

 

Don't forget, in America, lots of civilians have weapons too, I myself have several and shot my masters 10 years ago. I bet I can kill a few hundred troops just by myself.

[wez]

You must understand basic economics to know why your comment is so silly but to give you a basic idea, how does it help China to disrupt the economy of the biggest wastful consumers they are sending products to?

 

A war on our soil would stop people from buying the products they are selling.

 

 

 

While China does have a larger military, they have a few barriers to keep them from being able to attack America.

 

First, how do they get all those troops here in the first place? Let's say we cannot destroy the ships for the sake of arguement, that still means they can only get about 10% of their soldiers on our soil with any reasonable time frame. Easy pickings.

 

Second, how do they supply these troops? Keep them fed? Etc.....

 

Don't forget, in America, lots of civilians have weapons too, I myself have several and shot my masters 10 years ago. I bet I can kill a few hundred troops just by myself.

 

 

I don't know, I don't own guns and I don't believe in the might makes right theory.. Perhaps if I was taller than 5'6" and a bit more bulked up I'd join the club..

 

I currently subscribe to the whatever is ok for me to do to another human being, is ok for every other human being to do to me theory..

 

As well as, whatever is ok for my country to do to one human being in another country, is ok for every other country to do to me.

 

So in conclusion, if it was ok to drop napalm on one Vietnamese, every country has the ok to drop napalm on me... So, I say, not ok.

[timesjoke]

I don't know, I don't own guns and I don't believe in the might makes right theory.. Perhaps if I was taller than 5'6" and a bit more bulked up I'd join the club..

 

270 pounds, 6foot 2 inches tall, range master, defensive tactics instructor.

 

I would imagine we do see the world in a different light.

 

I currently subscribe to the whatever is ok for me to do to another human being, is ok for every other human being to do to me theory..

 

As well as, whatever is ok for my country to do to one human being in another country, is ok for every other country to do to me.

 

So in conclusion, if it was ok to drop napalm on one Vietnamese, every country has the ok to drop napalm on me... So, I say, not ok.

 

So to you there are no reasons, no mitigating circumstances in life that make a decision reasonable.

 

A man can rape and kill a child and you would feel it is wrong to kill him in return, well I am afraid the real world does require that leaders look at all sides of situations to ensure the success of society.

 

I can see society would fall apart with guys like you refusing to make the hard decisions.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

270 pounds, 6foot 2 inches tall, range master, defensive tactics instructor.

 

I would imagine we do see the world in a different light.

 

I'm 6foot 2inches also... and around 270. Huh... And and SEC fan... sorry, not trying to hijack the thread...

 

Burma doesnt exist anymore... And they don't have anything that we want... they're kinda just taking up space.

[wez]

270 pounds, 6foot 2 inches tall, range master, defensive tactics instructor.

 

I would imagine we do see the world in a different light.

 

 

 

So to you there are no reasons, no mitigating circumstances in life that make a decision reasonable.

 

A man can rape and kill a child and you would feel it is wrong to kill him in return, well I am afraid the real world does require that leaders look at all sides of situations to ensure the success of society.

 

I can see society would fall apart with guys like you refusing to make the hard decisions.

 

 

Bottom line, truth is the truth, and might doesn't equal right and what is ok for you/me/everyone to do to another, is ok for for every other to do to us and to deem otherwise can only be backed up by hypocrisy. It's a fact.. Test it.

[snafu]

I think the US should stop being the worlds policeman, make the UN and the other countries involved, (especially the countries in the UN security council) buck up and take care of some these problems on their own, without military or economic support from the US.

 

See what gets done (if anything). We need to tell France, Russia, China, etc... that the ball is in their court, we're tied up at the moment.

 

For decades the US has given aid and money to nations all over the world and they still hate us. Why bother.

 

With the way our economy is headed, the US needs to just worry about the conflicts we are already in, and get the ship righted.

 

Well if it has anything to do with our national security I say the UN. But in this case they are trying.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-10-23-un-burma_N.htm

You have to let deplomicy work first.

[wez]

I can see society would fall apart with guys like you refusing to make the hard decisions.

 

 

What if that hard decision meant your death so others could put gas in their car? You ok with that?

[atlantic]

What if that hard decision meant your death so others could put gas in their car? You ok with that?

It is more than a gas issue. Weapons of Mass Destruction mean anything to anyone? 911 did happen. Yes, this country is too dependent on oil and that needs to be corrected, but not gonna happen overnight.

[timesjoke]

What if that hard decision meant your death so others could put gas in their car? You ok with that?

 

 

Well, that was a childish comment but let me ask you a question, are you ready to stop driving your car?

 

 

Don't bash leaders for ensuring our oil supply when you are part of the reason they need to get that oil.

 

Oil is used for supplying you electricity to power things like your computer too. Are you ready to give it all up? Are you ready to go back to riding horses and planting your own crops to live?

 

 

That is what is wrong with so many people these days, they make all sorts of attacks on things but they don't truly understand what they are saying.

 

 

It is like complaining about the loss of American jobs and then buying a foreign car to drive, you are the problem but attack those trying to fix the problem you helped to create.

 

 

 

By the way, if you would like to educate yourself on some of the reasons we went into Iraq, try reading this:

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/12/national/main521781.shtml

 

 

The war in Iraq was not about oil, was oil a consideration? Yes, but there were many higher considerations that came before the oil consideration.

[wez]

Well, that was a childish comment but let me ask you a question, are you ready to stop driving your car?

 

 

Don't bash leaders for ensuring our oil supply when you are part of the reason they need to get that oil.

 

Oil is used for supplying you electricity to power things like your computer too. Are you ready to give it all up? Are you ready to go back to riding horses and planting your own crops to live?

 

 

That is what is wrong with so many people these days, they make all sorts of attacks on things but they don't truly understand what they are saying.

 

 

It is like complaining about the loss of American jobs and then buying a foreign car to drive, you are the problem but attack those trying to fix the problem you helped to create.

 

 

 

By the way, if you would like to educate yourself on some of the reasons we went into Iraq, try reading this:

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/12/national/main521781.shtml

 

 

The war in Iraq was not about oil, was oil a consideration? Yes, but there were many higher considerations that came before the oil consideration.

 

 

LOL.. I meant, are you ok with me, as say, the leader of a foreign country, keeping the fabric of society strong, deciding you should die? I wanted you to look from the perspective of say an Iraqi grandfather? Not that of a soldier or even an American citizen..

 

Why is the question childish? Seems quite appropriate.. and trust me, I understand what I'm saying, I don't think you do..

 

A real man sacrifices their own life, not someone elses, so to answer your question, yes, I would give up my car, computer, my life, before I would cowardly sacrifice someone elses life.. I can learn to ride a horse, matter of fact, prolly prefer it.

 

Your life is worth that which you value least..it can be no other way.

 

I don't need to educate myself on why we went to Iraq, I'd prefer you educate me on why your life is worth more than anyone elses on the face of the entire Earth..Or better yet, why your car and computer are worth more than anyones life on the planet..

 

And one more thing, I've owned Ford, Pontiac and Chevy.. even though they decided to send most operations out of the country to save money on cheap labor.. the funny thing is, there are now Toyota's that are more "Made in America" than anything out of Michigan... who's the problem?