Oh no! You like naughty things! You can't be trusted!

[Feckless Wench]

Should your personal life affect what day job you are 'allowed' to do?

 

In the news today is the story of Julie Windsor, a middle aged retirement home manager. By night, Julie offers BDSM services and has a website advertising her wares. Lately, this has been discovered by the residents of the retirement home, some of whom are disgusted and claiming they cannot trust her. Click here to read the whole story (it's short)

 

Right or wrong?

 

Why should what a person does OUT of work hours have any relevance to what they do IN work hours? Does being a person who enjoys this kind of thing make you any less able to be professional in your day job?

 

Discuss........

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

Should your personal life affect what day job you are 'allowed' to do?

 

In the news today is the story of Julie Windsor, a middle aged retirement home manager. By night, Julie offers BDSM services and has a website advertising her wares. Lately, this has been discovered by the residents of the retirement home, some of whom are disgusted and claiming they cannot trust her. Click here to read the whole story (it's short)

 

Right or wrong?

 

Why should what a person does OUT of work hours have any relevance to what they do IN work hours? Does being a person who enjoys this kind of thing make you any less able to be professional in your day job?

 

Discuss........

 

I dont think her ability to do the job is in question here. If she is a dominatrix though, then clearly she is a sadist, albeit a consensual one.

 

So now ask yourself, do you want a sadist looking after your dear old granny ?

 

So tell us more about that little lady with the whip who's not afraid to use it ? Is there something you'd like to share with us Feckless ?

[ToriAllen]

Should your personal life affect what day job you are 'allowed' to do?

 

Why should what a person does OUT of work hours have any relevance to what they do IN work hours? Does being a person who enjoys this kind of thing make you any less able to be professional in your day job?

 

Discuss........

 

Right or wrong? I would think it would depend on what your day job is. If she was a school teacher then I could see how it would really be a problem as she would be an example for the children she is teaching.

 

At the same time I can see how an employer may feel pressure no matter where she worked, or what her job is, to fire her in order to save the reputation of the establishment. Even if the employers personal feelings about the situation are that it doesn't really matter. If her actions will lose business then I'd fire her. You can't stand on principle and support something you think is no big deal if the people who are handing you money every month to take care of granny and grandpa are planning to take their business elsewhere.

 

In other words, right and wrong doesn't matter. Money is the bottom line, and what you do outside of work hours matters when it effects that bottom line.

[Feckless Wench]

So tell us more about that little lady with the whip who's not afraid to use it ? Is there something you'd like to share with us Feckless ?

 

Me? I wear my halo loud and proud.....LMAO!

[Feckless Wench]

If she was a school teacher then I could see how it would really be a problem as she would be an example for the children she is teaching.

 

I AM a school teacher...yet I CHOOSE to go out dressed as I am in the pic in my previous reply. Does that make me less able to do my job? Should I be fired for doing what I do in private (and NEVER in my home town)?

 

At work I am good at my job, good to the point that I get given all the 'problem' kids. I fail to see how what I do in my life OUT of work can affect how I perform AT work.

 

In my opinion, anyone who is fired for their personal choices outside of work has a good reason to sue.

[ToriAllen]

I AM a school teacher...yet I CHOOSE to go out dressed as I am in the pic in my previous reply.

There is a difference in dressing a certain way and acting in a certain way. From what I understood she was not just pretentding it was halloween every night but actually engaging in sexual S&M type activities. Would that effect her abilities if she were a teacher, yeah. She can be the best teacher in the world, but if she is a bad example for the children, she should be fired. Childhood is too critical of a time in the developement of personality, values, and ideals too let just anyone around your kids.

 

In my opinion, anyone who is fired for their personal choices outside of work has a good reason to sue.

Not if the employer has good reason to sue. If a persons 'personal choice' effects the profits of the business they can certainly be fired. Especially when talking about illegal activities. Prostutution is illegal here and this is basically prostitution with a twist.

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

I can see this from both sides. It should not really matter what someone's interests are in their private life, just so long as they are responsible and in control of their sexual alter-ego.

 

On the other hand, I can see some folks getting uptight about it. Their arguments would be, if you have sadistic tendencies, then you should not be looking after old people, or other vulnerable groups like kids.

 

Of course there is some truth in both arguments. It really just depends on other components of your psyche, like whether you are a psychopath as well, or have criminal tendencies also.

 

Can't see Feckless falling into these latter groups. Dont understand that pvc thing at all Feckless. Have you got a piccie of you in leather, now that would get me dribbling.....

[ToriAllen]

On the other hand, I can see some folks getting uptight about it. Their arguments would be, if you have sadistic tendencies, then you should not be looking after old people, or other vulnerable groups like kids.

 

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I don't think this has anything to do with 'sadistic tendencies'. It is not like anyone is causing real irreversible harm or pain. I think the problem lies in one word: Services. This is not a situation where a woman and her husband engage in S&M in the privacy of their own bedroom or dress up in costume for a night out on the town. If it was, I doubt this would have been an issue. She was offering 'services' and advertising the services. It is hard to claim privacy when you have set up a business offering and advertising S&M services. These services are as sexual in nature as 'massage parlors' that offer happy endings and 'escort' services that include sex. Both illegal here.

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

I don't think this has anything to do with 'sadistic tendencies'. It is not like anyone is causing real irreversible harm or pain. I think the problem lies in one word: Services. This is not a situation where a woman and her husband engage in S&M in the privacy of their own bedroom or dress up in costume for a night out on the town. If it was, I doubt this would have been an issue. She was offering 'services' and advertising the services. It is hard to claim privacy when you have set up a business offering and advertising S&M services. These services are as sexual in nature as 'massage parlors' that offer happy endings and 'escort' services that include sex. Both illegal here.

 

Your viewpoint is relevant. Mine too I think is relevant. The point I raised was, should someone who enjoys inflicting pain on others be looking after the elderly or children. Whether the pain was irreversable or not is not the issue.

 

I think its OK just so long as the person is not a psychopath/criminal, is responsible, and keeps their private life separate from their public life.

[timesjoke]

I don't think this has anything to do with 'sadistic tendencies'. It is not like anyone is causing real irreversible harm or pain. I think the problem lies in one word: Services. This is not a situation where a woman and her husband engage in S&M in the privacy of their own bedroom or dress up in costume for a night out on the town. If it was, I doubt this would have been an issue. She was offering 'services' and advertising the services. It is hard to claim privacy when you have set up a business offering and advertising S&M services. These services are as sexual in nature as 'massage parlors' that offer happy endings and 'escort' services that include sex. Both illegal here.

 

I believe you hit the best point in this discussion. It is where this person takes the "private" and make it not only public but screaming it out by advertising their "services" to the public.

 

If you are taking your personal things and making them public to the point it is a business for you, then you must accept public opinion of you in all areas of your public life.

 

I believe it is normal to have standards for employment to include appearance and even personal life where it bleeds over to the reputation of the business.

[Guest TOW]

Depends on what job you do. Lets say your at a construction job if your co worker by night is a pimp, S&M or plays with little boys it doesn't matter. But if your a teacher i do feel it's it makes a difference. I guess IMO it's what you do for a living that would decide if your outside life is a issue.

[Guest TOW]

http://www.ketv.com/news/14296345/detail.html

 

 

Like this guy should he be working in a convenience store, or maybe a school janitor?? After all he does this after work at home, not during work.

 

NOTE Thanks to Bender for providing this link on another site.

[ToriAllen]

I believe you hit the best point in this discussion. It is where this person takes the "private" and make it not only public but screaming it out by advertising their "services" to the public.

 

If you are taking your personal things and making them public to the point it is a business for you, then you must accept public opinion of you in all areas of your public life.

 

I believe it is normal to have standards for employment to include appearance and even personal life where it bleeds over to the reputation of the business.

 

When you bring private matters into the public, be it by website or just walking down the street in fetish wear, you are subjecting yourself to public scrutiny. You can't expect everyone to agree with or accept behavior and dress that is out of the ordinary. Most probably won't and getting upset and saying 'it's my choice' isn't going to change that. People like that can not be so blind as to not understand what they are doing is abnormal and that it is possible they will be chastised for it. Persoally, I like to be aware of all of the possible consequenses of my actions.

[hugo]

It would take me about 2 seconds to fire her.