Big Bang= Impossible Evolution=Stupid

[Hamza123]

MRIH's pointless ass post..

 

Take a course in Islamic history perhaps... Going to unversity helps you know. So does High School...

 

Read a book?

 

Learn history before you try to create it for others in a spin of lies.

 

MRIH replied with no evidence of anything he has said ??

 

THIS WILL HELP MRIH!!

 

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9647/cajeitv3no5.png

 

But hey, don't take it from me....

 

Take it from Jesus!

 

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[Vortex]

For me...The "big bang" makes just about as much sense as the creation theory...

 

Neither are solid...neither are proven...and both are pretty far out there...

 

on the other hand...the big bang theory makes more sense than some "creator" in some heavenly toyshop creating us in a matter of days. There is just too much life and too complicated to just buy that story..

 

then if a creator created us...why bother with the entire universe...why bother with our fragile ecosystem...why bother with fossiles of the dinosours...why bother with anything questionable....

 

Why would someone create all these things (and i left out a ton mind you)..all in the name of some stupid test...or some stupid faith issue?!?! It makes ZERO sense...So if we have a creator who feels the need to play mind games with us...he/she shouldnt be upset when we dont believe or could care less about their existence..

 

 

Soo that brings me back to big bang...who is to say that the universe doenst create and destroy life at its beck and call by random events??!?!!? Can we prove it? No...we can proove its destruction because thats easy...the creation...another story. Who is to say life doesnt start by a combination of cosmic events in the solar systems?!?!!?!? We as human beings certainly cant replicate it....so how can we know for sure?!?!

 

lastly...suppose the universe was created by a "being" and he/she just let the universe go to see what happens...meaning "god" created the universe to do these things...and randomly...but us humans just have to put ourselves first to think we are the chosen blah blah blah and feel that we were hand crafted like a pristine toy and feel obligated to our "maker" and worship them...blah blah blah...

 

thats all for now...

 

ps.....why would our creator throw us on such a hostile planet with only brains to protect us from preditors and weather only to figure out how to deal with it, eventually domiate it......to THEN being in submission to it..

 

why bother..

 

either god is just stupid...bored...or that uncaring....

 

at this point...the big bang makes much more sense to me!

[ToriAllen]

For me...The "big bang" makes just about as much sense as the creation theory... Neither are solid...neither are proven...and both are pretty far out there...

Until we can find someone who was actually there we will never know

[Crazywumbat]

I feel that most of the Bible was written figuratively. Most Christians do not believe the Universe was created in seven days.

 

Actually Tori, there are quite alot of surveys out there, I think Hardvard did one, which reveal that 50-something% of Americans believe the earth is 6 thousand years old and was created in 7 days, strict biblical literalism. Something like 37% believe in the big bang and evolution, but they believe a creater started things. And then the remaining 10% or so suscribe to a strictly scientific outlook.

 

As for theories like the big bang not being able to be proven, just because they can't be now, what makes people so certain they won't be able to be proven in 10 years? or 20, or 50, or 250. Science advances with every day that goes by, religion doesn't.

 

And sorry if my grammars a little fucked, keyboards over here in Germany are all...differentish.

[Vortex]

 

Do you make it a point to get liquored up before you come on here now?

 

No....but when have i not since the moment i arived??? The problem is every time a topic rolls around i feel strong enough to reply to it just happens to be at that time.....

 

This topic has been one i have wanted to start lately (since watching that video on evolution). aig just beat me too it....

[ToriAllen]

Actually Tori, there are quite alot of surveys out there, I think Hardvard did one, which reveal that 50-something% of Americans believe the earth is 6 thousand years old and was created in 7 days, strict biblical literalism. Something like 37% believe in the big bang and evolution, but they believe a creater started things. And then the remaining 10% or so suscribe to a strictly scientific outlook.

 

As for theories like the big bang not being able to be proven, just because they can't be now, what makes people so certain they won't be able to be proven in 10 years? or 20, or 50, or 250. Science advances with every day that goes by, religion doesn't.

 

And sorry if my grammars a little fucked, keyboards over here in Germany are all...differentish.

What can I say...People are inherently stupid. Seriously, most of the Christians I know do not take the Bible literally. I was raised to look at religion and science objectively. Maybe it is the older crowd of Christians. My grandmother and I have been round and round about a few things, but she usually ends up seeing it my way, until some TV preacher tells her different. I think it also has a lot to do with denomination and religiosity.

 

Just out of curiosity, where is Hardvard? Is that one of those D

[Vortex]

 

 

Admit it. That is the only way you can put up with us.

 

What is your best Vodka theory? How did we end up here?

 

nahh...my first 6 months on this board was when i worked for at&t wireless...i think i was on here more than working...and still was the top producer on my team...

 

losers..

 

 

Honestly...any debate forum is technically the taboo of any drunk conversation. Any topic that you can never win at (religion, abortion etc) is pretty much how i look at this forum as......In otherwords...let it out...get it out...and run with it! Tell us whats really good!

 

NOW..back on the topic of hand...

 

creation vs big bang....

 

Think back into your mind...think real hard. Remove all your upbringing and realize one pr two things. Both are very far fetched...both are unknown...one is faith..one is science...neither are proven..neither are proven false.....explain to your own mind why each is far out there...and why each is close to your heart. Grasp on to logic...and realize that we will never in our lifetime know the truth about life, about the universe, about where we came from, about where we will go, about where we may not go....and come to the groundbreaking fact (yes this is new stuff for some people...cripes) ...

 

...that we will never know. So look inside yourself and realize what your life and actions will be when you leave this world....will you be proud of them? Will you stand behind them...will you look back and think that you were a good person for yourself and your fellow man(or woman ) ...will you creator(if there is one) condone your life or will they cast you down. Keep in mind just because your voice sais its because of your creator doesnt mean it is what they really meant.

 

Look deep inside...and believe that you did the right thing....because any nastyness you harbor deep inside could be your downfall...there are far too many faiths in this world for you to be wrong.......

 

im so done with this tonight.....later!!!!

[Jhony5]

creation vs big bang....

 

Why is it when this topic is discussed, Christians never lend a thought towards maybe their god created the big bang? Is it the fear of dating the event, thus contradicting the time line of creation set forth by the biblical authors? The big-bang is simply a theory contrived from what we know of star creation. Gases and various matter swirl together forming a mass, until the energy contained within the mass becomes to great, and bang. Shit flies everywhere and the universe is spawned, ever expanding. This does nothing to explain what created the gases and matter before hand. Was it god? Was it Zagnor the great spider king of Navarious 9?

 

Posted by:Vortex

Both are very far fetched...both are unknown...one is faith..one is science...neither are proven..neither are proven false.....explain to your own mind why each is far out there...

 

But....but Vorty, What would become of the multi-billion dollar religion industry if people let go of mans explanation of creation, be it Xtian, Muslim, Hindu? What if mankind did not posses this strange inherent trait of needing the answer now, here in life? Blind faith pulls along the followers of religion. To question it is heresy, a crime once punishable by death. I've said it before and I suppose I'll say it again. To truly know about something, whether it be an ideology, religion, or otherwise. Look at where it started from. Go back in history and uncover what really happened in the dawn of organized religion. See the power derived and the territories conquered, under the pretense of religion. How about the world state in this day and age? Can anyone think of how the insistence on a specific belief system is causing death and war, horror brought to 'innocent people' under the guise of religious faith? Why will there never be peace in the middle east? Insistence on continuing the practice of blind faith, which predetermines your alliance.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Why is it when this topic is discussed, Christians never lend a thought towards maybe their god created the big bang?

That's what I meant by the phrase "someone had to light the fuse."

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=958152&postcount=17

[Jhony5]

That's what I meant by the phrase "someone had to light the fuse."

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=958152&postcount=17

 

 

Makes sense to me. An object doesn't move itself. Something has to apply energy in order to stir it up. Despite my inability to subscribe to religion, I can't say "there is no god". To me the best possible explanation for it all is likely a combination of ideals extracted from creationism (minus the Christian rhetoric), and sound scientific fact. After all, Science and 'god' probably have much in common.

 

The question "When did time start" has long puzzled me. It's a riddle wrapped in an enigma with conundrum sauce all over it. I feel that 'god' is an entity completely separated from influence over mankind. He/she/it is not a judge. Our lives are not a morality game in which winners and losers are determined. No fucking way could someone/something of omnipotent and omnipresent being, with such great power and influence have any part of constructing a universe so vast, merely for the judgment of souls.

 

The idea of god is subjective. To some effect, if you were to stand over an ant hill and watch the little creatures live out there daily lives, make judgments upon those whom you see fit. You could destroy them all, or merely some of them that you have chosen. You could move them to a sterile laboratory and monitor every aspect of their being. Controlling all in their world. Are you not god then?

[Vortex]

Why is it when this topic is discussed, Christians never lend a thought towards maybe their god created the big bang? Is it the fear of dating the event, thus contradicting the time line of creation set forth by the biblical authors? The big-bang is simply a theory contrived from what we know of star creation. Gases and various matter swirl together forming a mass, until the energy contained within the mass becomes to great, and bang. Shit flies everywhere and the universe is spawned, ever expanding. This does nothing to explain what created the gases and matter before hand. Was it god? Was it Zagnor the great spider king of Navarious 9?

 

Posted by:Vortex

 

 

But....but Vorty, What would become of the multi-billion dollar religion industry if people let go of mans explanation of creation, be it Xtian, Muslim, Hindu? What if mankind did not posses this strange inherent trait of needing the answer now, here in life? Blind faith pulls along the followers of religion. To question it is heresy, a crime once punishable by death. I've said it before and I suppose I'll say it again. To truly know about something, whether it be an ideology, religion, or otherwise. Look at where it started from. Go back in history and uncover what really happened in the dawn of organized religion. See the power derived and the territories conquered, under the pretense of religion. How about the world state in this day and age? Can anyone think of how the insistence on a specific belief system is causing death and war, horror brought to 'innocent people' under the guise of religious faith? Why will there never be peace in the middle east? Insistence on continuing the practice of blind faith, which predetermines your alliance.

 

 

Nice post....I have nothing further to comment at this time but i picked up the keyword in your post....

 

and that is "blind"....

 

 

If i had some golden arches tattooed on my rear id be singing you the "im lovin it" ballad

[Outlaw2747]

I find it funny that the bible does not acknowledge the existence of prehistoric animals.

[hugo]

I find it funny that the bible does not acknowledge the existence of prehistoric animals.

 

The bible also never mentions Boy George.

[Jhony5]

The Bible also never mentions NASCAR

 

I find it funny that the bible does not acknowledge the existence of prehistoric animals.

 

What the bible doesn't mention is irrelevant. What it does mention is what should have impact on the rational mind. Fantastic fairy tales of the garden of eve. World flood events that NEVER happened. i.e. The great flood occurred about 4500 years ago, according to biblical lore, during the time that the Chinese were building parts of the wall and the Egyptians were building the pyramids. How did neither civilization notice the flood? They were alive before the date of the flood, and then after the date of the flood. How? Rationally one must question all of the bibles claims once such inaccuracies are realized.

 

If any part of the bible is proven incorrect, then the whole thing must be dismissed.

 

Yet so many hold fast to the stories of nevermore.

 

Technology and cyberspace will become a new religion just like scientology, when the lab guys get the interfaces down and we can go create Matrix like digital worlds, when we can start living through our dreams will that not be considered magical at some point,

 

Its all about perspective. Take a battery powered light bulb back in time 500 years and you'll get burned at the stake for your "magic".

 

There is a time when dealing with men that you must put your faith in God because only God can explain why men do what they do

 

God is merely a ready explanation for the unexplainable. For example, god was once credited for severe thunderstorms and droughts. Now that science has explained these occurrences with rational data, god is no longer needed for this.

 

Evolution is a fact, it is all around you everyday, evolution requires millions and millions of years

 

Not necessarily. If you took a few cheetahs, male and female, and kept them locked in a small cage. Then took their offspring and did the same thing. After several generations you will see the effects manifest in the form of evolution. The evolved Cheetahs will no longer be the fastest mammals on earth. Rather something quite different.

[Jhony5]

And we can also hypothesize that since man has made things so cozy for himself that the need to evolve has dwindled and slowed down. Perhaps the only thing rapidly evolving is our inability to exist in nature.

 

I so agree with ya on this one. Mankind is weakening itself through modern conveniences. The hunter-gatherer instinct is being whittled down to whats on the dollar menu at McDonald's. Another 50 years of modern innovation, and our exercise will be limited to shitting and fucking.

[lilmizztemper]

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DAMMIT I could sure sure some kinda "BIG BANG" theory tonight!!!!!

[Vortex]

I so agree with ya on this one. Mankind is weakening itself through modern conveniences. The hunter-gatherer instinct is being whittled down to whats on the dollar menu at McDonald's. Another 50 years of modern innovation, and our exercise will be limited to shitting and fucking.

 

Not totally....

 

It has evolved to our work ethic....Lazy idiots who dont feel the need to not have a job or work hard for their convienences are the problem. Yes, there are too many of the lazy bastards out there....and they are breeding. Any Idiot can concieve a child...but you have to learn and earn a liscence to drive a car....something is wrong with that! (dang...i think i have said that phrase too much on here)

 

Our big "evolutionary" change has been our brains...not our bodies. Our bodies, in my opinion has gone backward. Allergies are FAR more common, our skin has become more sensitive than the norm way back "then", cancer is more prevelant than EVER, odd diseases are comming out of the woodwork.....but our brains seem to be getting smarter, for half or less than the worlds population that is.

 

In other words...some brains are getting better, some are getting worse. Humans have the most complicated and most advanced brains...yet we are the dumbest animal on the planet because our problem is we are loosing are instict...which every single being has (including plants). In todays society it is no longer necisarry.

 

Our bodies really arent ment for the harsh nature like the rest of the animals on this planet. We cant handle extreme heat/cold as most animals because our bodies dont have the natural defense for it (hence the need for fire, clothing etc) we cant outrun natural preditors (hell even squirrels) with our legs, we have no fur to repel plants like the nettle or poison ivy (well some leather daddies do), our coloring makes us stand out to preditors and prey alike, our vision is average to poor...and our other senses the same....

 

SOOO to conclude for now, we have really 2 things that helped us advance and thats the opposible thumb(sure i spelt that wrong), and our brains. Our brain is what made us overcome the obsticles that were against us...and is becomming our downfall(as we are screwing up the entire planet by our technology)......and now we have people who revel in the conforts and bitch about needing them.

 

lastly...if you bitch bout using the "comforts of life" and use ANY of them...you really shouldnt bitch about others using them.... and just live in a hollow tree or cave somewhere and shoudlnt be using a computer much less live in a man made house....Just seems hypocritical!! The focus really should be to chastise those who dont want to earn the life they live, and even the mega-successful people with globs of money need to get out and work some way and some how (even if it is to use their mind or tend some mega garden or something)....

 

Humans were ment to think and work for their accomplishments...

 

but...thats my opinion...perhaps im completely wrong!

[lilmizztemper]

well...as far as Im concerned...I have always lived a pretty simple life...yea I got a microwave and I got a computer...but ya know?? I dont have near as much stuff as some. I was raised out on the plains. Out here there aint much!!! I was in the city the other day at Safeway and saw them nifty lil self checkout thingys lol I was confused. Hell where I usually shop...there are still bag boys cartin my groceries out to my car for me. I go to the city and see people (about half of em anyhow) with cell phones plastered to their damn heads...out here...we LUCKY to even get a good signal!!

 

I agree that the human population has relied on the the "comforts of life" for too long. Yea...Im included in that population, but hell Ive seen a lot worse than me. The majority of the population is gettin fat and very lazy. Pretty soon...we will all be 300 pound couch potatoes lying in front of the tv waiting for a damned computer to do shit for us. Its almost sickening!!! I got a dishwasher but I rarely use the damned thing cuz I feel like its just a useless thing...my microwave however...I would have a hard time partin with.

[angie]

What the bible doesn't mention is irrelevant. What it does mention is what should have impact on the rational mind. Fantastic fairy tales of the garden of eve. World flood events that NEVER happened. i.e. The great flood occurred about 4500 years ago, according to biblical lore, during the time that the Chinese were building parts of the wall and the Egyptians were building the pyramids. How did neither civilization notice the flood? They were alive before the date of the flood, and then after the date of the flood. How? Rationally one must question all of the bibles claims once such inaccuracies are realized.

 

If any part of the bible is proven incorrect, then the whole thing must be dismissed.

 

While I do agree with you that it is nothing more than a bunch of fables, here's a little food for thought: Some scientists actually DO believe that the Great Flood did happen. Passed down as word of mouth for thousands of years, until a dozen different religions incorporated it into their religion.

I couldn't find the exact site that I originally read it on, but here is a similar one.

http://chadparmet.home.comcast.net/BlackSea/overview/flood.html

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Need I remind you that Muhammad is also a man…Why is he so revered by Muslims?

 

revered? Yes. God in disguise? Absolutely NOT. He is revered because he brought the message from God. As are all the other Prophets of God. They were good examples themselves. I think to believe that God would think that humans could be like Him is madness.

 

You believe that your god died! That should be enough for you people to see sense that what you believe is a fabrication by men who wanted popularity and who forgot their last name. John, mathew,luke, tom, dick and harry!

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

You love the guy who brought you satan's manual for death and destruction and you hate everyone else!

 

Hmmm, MRIH,let's see.

 

Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men.

Then Samson said,

"With the jawbone of an ass

I have piled them in a heap;

With the jawbone of an ass

I have slain a thousand men." Judges 15:15-16

 

A woman must receive instruction silently and under complete control

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. 4 She must be quiet.

For Adam was formed first, then Eve

Further, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed 1 Timothy 2:11-14

 

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go free as male slaves do Exodus 21:7

 

Oh and my favourites, the Death Sentences.

 

GE 38:8-10 A man who refuses to impregnate his widowed sister-in-law is put to death.

EX 21:12 Whoever strikes a man so that he dies is to be put to death--except that, in some cases, God will appoint a place to which the offender may flee instead.

 

EX 21:15 Whoever strikes his father or mother is to be put to death.

 

EX 21:16 Whoever steals a man is to be put to death. (Note: This is in spite of the fact that a father can sell his daughter into slavery; see EX 21:7-11.)

 

EX 21:17, LE 20:9, DT 21:18-21 A child who curses his parent(s) is to be put to death. A stubborn and/or rebellious child is to be put to death.

 

EX 22:18, DT 18:10 A witch or sorcerer is to be put to death.

 

EX 22:20 Anyone who sacrifices to other gods must be destroyed.

 

LE 20:10-12, DT 22:22 Adulterers (in some cases) must be put to death.

 

LE 20:13 Practicing male homosexuals are to be put to death. (Note: Female homosexuality is not considered in the OT though it NT. See RO 1:26-32.)

 

LE 20:14 If a man has sexual relations with both his wife and his mother-in-law, all three of them must be put to death.

 

LE 20:15-16 If a person engages in sex with an animal, both the animal and the person must be put to death.

 

LE 20:27 A medium or wizard is to be put to death.

 

LE 21:9 If a priest's daughter becomes a prostitute, she is to be burnt with fire.

LE 24:16 Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord must be put to death.

 

NU 3:10 An unauthorized person who acts as a priest must be put to death.

 

DT 13:2-5 Anyone who causes someone to turn to another god must be put to death.

DT 13:6-10 A man is required to slay his friends and members of his own family who are guilty of worshipping another god.

 

DT 17:12 A man who shows contempt for a judge or priest must be put to death.

DT 18:20-22, EZ 14:9 If a prophet's words do not come true, he is a false prophet and must be put to death. This is true even if he has been deceived by God himself.

DT 22:23-24 A betrothed virgin who is seduced in the city is to be put to death unless she cries for help.

 

MK 10:2-12, LK 16:18 Divorce is wrong, and to remarry is to commit adultery. (LE 20:10-12, DT 22:22 in turn say, adulterers are to be put to death)

 

RO 1:26-27, 32 Men and women who commit unnatural sexual acts deserve to die.

TS 1:10-11 There are many who must be silenced.

 

Doesn't your ''god'' accept repentance?

I can rub these verses in your faces forever and you can never explain them. That is because you have been programmed to believe without gathering any knowledge. You still believe in it after reading this?

 

MRIH, with that bible in your house, you shouldn't be opening your mouth at all. Your bible itself screams to you that you are being hypocritical.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

LOOOOL. I just found the most stupid and funniest verses in the bible.

 

Girls be warned! This may come as a suprise.

 

Bring on ZE LEVITICUS!

 

"When a woman has her menstrual flow, she shall be in a state of impurity for seven days. Anyone who touches her shall be unclean until evening.

 

20

 

Anything on which she lies or sits during her impurity shall be unclean.

 

21

 

Anyone who touches her bed shall wash his garments, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening.

 

22

 

Whoever touches any article of furniture on which she was sitting, shall wash his garments, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening.

 

23

 

But if she is on the bed or on the seat when he touches it, he shall be unclean until evening.

 

24

 

If a man dares to lie with her, he contracts her impurity and shall be unclean for seven days; every bed on which he then lies also becomes unclean.

 

25

 

"When a woman is afflicted with a flow of blood for several days outside her menstrual period, or when her flow continues beyond the ordinary period, as long as she suffers this unclean flow she shall be unclean, just as during her menstrual period.

 

26

 

Any bed on which she lies during such a flow becomes unclean, as it would during her menstruation, and any article of furniture on which she sits becomes unclean just as during her menstruation.

 

27

 

Anyone who touches them becomes unclean; he shall wash his garments, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening.

 

28

 

"If she becomes freed from her affliction, she shall wait seven days, and only then is she to be purified.

 

29

 

On the eighth day she shall take two turtledoves or two pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance of the meeting tent.

 

30

 

The priest shall offer up one of them as a sin offering and the other as a holocaust. Thus shall the priest make atonement before the LORD for her unclean flow.

 

Sheesh. And I thought I was oppressed.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

I can rub these verses in your faces forever and you can never explain them.

 

1) They are self explanatory, I am sorry you need explanation... Perhaps an education.

 

2) What exactly do you need explained, and Why should I explain them? I think you should read the entire book instead of pulling out biblical quotes that tickle your "I'll prove islam correct by attacking fanciful and far-fetched notions of christianity" indicator. Especially the story of Sampson (from your quote of killing 10,000 philistines with the jaw-bode of an ass) It is a story about sin and God's infinite mercy on us poor sinners... You might even learn something.

 

3) Why "rub them in anyone's face"? It doesn't make any sense... If there was well funded Christian movement that was killing arabs with jaw-bones and constantly calling on "jaw-bone wielding mujahadeen-christians" to kill their quota of 10,000 arabs for Jesus, then you would have an argument... but you don't, these are biblical quotes taken in or out of context (i'm not sure what you are trying to prove by them anyway) and making some kind of non-sensical argument that islam is peaceful becouse Sampson killed 10,000 people one time... It just doesn't hold water.

 

That is because you have been programmed to believe without gathering any knowledge. You still believe in it after reading this?

Do you still believe in the koran, after 9/11, WTC, Munich, Aquille Laurel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Queda, suicide bombers, etc, etc, ad-naseum?

 

MRIH, with that bible in your house, you shouldn't be opening your mouth at all. Your bible itself screams to you that you are being hypocritical.

I don't think so.

[Vortex]

LOL back to the my god can kick your god's ass debate....

 

sigh...so much for the big bang theory...

 

I have said it once, twice, and a thousand times (and ill keep saying it)..

 

Your religion is your personal connection to what you believe is your creator....and savior...........

 

it shouldnt be a debateable topoic...(or at least amongst straight people....whom their "gods" created equal)

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

LOL back to the my god can kick your god's ass debate....

 

sigh...so much for the big bang theory...

 

I have said it once, twice, and a thousand times (and ill keep saying it)..

 

Your religion is your personal connection to what you believe is your creator....and savior...........

 

it shouldnt be a debateable topoic...(or at least amongst straight people....whom their "gods" created equal)

The only reason I even respond to her crap, is I'm sick and tired of AIG's justifying of her religion by trying to cut down another one... It really is a lame and rather circular argument.