A talk about Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church

[jokersarewild]

Jokersarewild.........

I don't live in the U.S.A so how the hell can I be apart of Phelps church, didn't your Mother ever teach you not to bear false witness against your fellow neighbour?

 

If you don't live in the US, how are you my fellow neighbor, you fucking Pommie?

[Moralman]

Dear Friends

kind regards

I feel that every person who has contributed to this thread has taken it off on a tangeant.

We can discuss the issue of homosexuality in another thread but for now I'd like to discuss the unique picketing ministry of Pastor Fred Phelps.

Here is a picture of Pastor Phelps and some Church members picketing at the GLAAD award ceremony in June 2005.

 

http://stream.paranode.com/imc/portland/images/2005/09/326028.jpg

 

Anymore views and information on America's most controversial man would be much appreciated.

yours thankfully

John

[phreakwars]

He is just pandering for support so someone will send him a new PC with windows XP on it, instead of the Windows 98 machine he uses now.

 

I should hack the living shit out of his machine !!!

 

Fucking retarded AOL members anyway.

 

The IP Address is: 195.93.21.39. The host name is: cache-los-ab07.proxy.aol.com.

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; AOL 9.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90)

 

EASY AS PIE !

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[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Dear Friends

kind regards

I feel that every person who has contributed to this thread has taken it off on a tangeant.

MoralMan, you took the whole damn sub-section off on a tangent... you are in the "Lounge" and this topic originally belonged in "Spam"...

 

We can discuss the issue of homosexuality in another thread but for now I'd like to discuss the unique picketing ministry of Pastor Fred Phelps.

Again... you are in the wrong section. Phreak was not wrong to box you if for that one reason alone.

 

If you to post anymore of your Worship of Phelps, then do it in the Piss Pot, Spam or "Speak Your Mind" areas.

[Crazywumbat]

Dear Friends

kind regards

I feel that every person who has contributed to this thread has taken it off on a tangeant.

We can discuss the issue of homosexuality in another thread but for now I'd like to discuss the unique picketing ministry of Pastor Fred Phelps.

Here is a picture of Pastor Phelps and some Church members picketing at the GLAAD award ceremony in June 2005.

 

http://stream.paranode.com/imc/portland/images/2005/09/326028.jpg

 

Anymore views and information on America's most controversial man would be much appreciated.

yours thankfully

John

 

Yah know, for such a homophobe and fag basher, you certainly seem to have quit the hard on for this Fred Phelps guy.

[Vortex]

Dear Friends

kind regards

I feel that every person who has contributed to this thread has taken it off on a tangeant.

We can discuss the issue of homosexuality in another thread but for now I'd like to discuss the unique picketing ministry of Pastor Fred Phelps.

Here is a picture of Pastor Phelps and some Church members picketing at the GLAAD award ceremony in June 2005.

 

http://stream.paranode.com/imc/portland/images/2005/09/326028.jpg

 

Anymore views and information on America's most controversial man would be much appreciated.

yours thankfully

John

 

How can you not bring up phelps and expect every single tangent to be brought up? Especially the homosexuality angle....

 

Phelps is SOOO worried about being anti gay that its almost like he has thrown everything that "jesus" taught out the window...

 

You can use the words "dear friends" and be as polite as you think you can be...but hate is still hate, no matter how pretty and colorful you make it!

[Moralman]

Dear Friends

kind regards

Pastor Fred Phelps is a Calvanist preacher, the belief behind this doctrine is pre-destination.

There are different types of pre-destination theology however the basic theme is the same and Phelps pre-destination theology is explained like this.

God picks his elect(those whom he chooses to save) and draws them to Christ when he decides to call them, these chosen ones will go to Heaven.

Phelps believes that both he and the WBC members are among the elect although he has stated in the past that there are sheep(elect) not yet called otherwise the rapture(Ascension) would have happened.

Phelps believes that most people are pre-destined to go to hell, especially Fags and as he calls them Fag enablers.

According to Phelps homosexuals cannot be saved because they can't even bring themselves to admit that what they are doing is a sin.

As far as Phelps is concerned a nation has already been given up by God once it goes down the road of ancient Sodom and furthermore homosexuals were given up by God before they partook of their sins due to their own personal depravity.

Phelps classic catchphrase is as follows.........."they are not Fags because they hate God, they are Fags because God hates them".

Furthermore Mr Phelps believes that God hates people and not just their sins, after all God sends the sinner to hell and not their sins.

Phelps states that the Bible talks more about Gods hatred than Gods love.

Let us overlook Phelps picketing and actually discuss Phelps doctrine.

Can homosexuals be saved?

Please explain why you think that they can be saved when the homosexuals won't admit that they are sinning.

I await your response.

yours thankfully

John

[daddybear41]

Many many homosexuals KNOW they are sinning and beg for release from its clutches....

[Moralman]

Many many homosexuals KNOW they are sinning and beg for release from its clutches....

 

Dear daddybear41

kind regards

If homosexuals are truely repentant they have to bring forth fruits to show it, basically they have to renounce homosexuality completely.

Phelps has stated that Fags should castrate themselves, if they did that during the 80's in the US then perhaps AID's wouldn't have spread so fast.

Phelps was enraged at President Ronald Reagan for not taking a firmer stand against the homosexuals by quoting Leviticus 18:22 and standing firm.

Phelps responded to Reagans death by putting an article on his "God Hates America" entitled "Ronald Reagan is in HELL" and picketing his funeral.

Here is the article for you to read.

1. http://www.godhatesamerica.com/html/Reagan.html

I appreciate your comments, they have been the least hostile on this thread.

yours thankfully

John

[daddybear41]

Indeed they do as we all do....

There is no need for being ugly on here unless the mind is amazingly small... so I do not bow to it ....

and yes, I have seen the Reagan funeral thing... disgusting...

[phreakwars]

Dear Friends

kind regards

Fuck off

 

Pastor Fred Phelps is a Calvanist preacher, the belief behind this doctrine is pre-destination.

Oh, ain't he a swell guy, he is truly concerned about our souls.

 

There are different types of pre-destination theology however the basic theme is the same and Phelps pre-destination theology is explained like this.

Are you gonna start preaching fucker ?? I better be impressed..

 

God picks his elect(those whom he chooses to save) and draws them to Christ when he decides to call them, these chosen ones will go to Heaven.

Phelps believes that both he and the WBC members are among the elect although he has stated in the past that there are sheep(elect) not yet called otherwise the rapture(Ascension) would have happened.

And with just this statement alone, you do not see the CULT following ?? Do you even realize, that 90% or higher of his "MEMBERS" are family members ??The ugliest one being his wife:

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Phelps believes that most people are pre-destined to go to hell, especially Fags and as he calls them Fag enablers.

What about the OTHER sinners... can they be saved ?? Or is it just fags ?? And if so, if fags are condemned to hell, like why are you so concerned about it ?? Are they trying to have BUTTSECKS with YOU ?? If not, then why care... "FAGS" as it were, can not multiply.. And I am sorry, but homosexuality is not something you "LEARN", therefore, one can not escape who they are..

 

According to Phelps homosexuals cannot be saved because they can't even bring themselves to admit that what they are doing is a sin.

Why should they ?? Because of something En'lil (The Sumerian GOD you worship) says so ??

 

As far as Phelps is concerned a nation has already been given up by God once it goes down the road of ancient Sodom and furthermore homosexuals were given up by God before they partook of their sins due to their own personal depravity.

Given up before hand ?? Fair enough.. then why in the hell... if God has ALREADY given up on them... should they be treated as any less then human beings ?? God may not forgive their "SINS" but why can't others... By what AUTHORITY are YOU or ANY OTHER human given this right to site criticasters to those who you feel are condemed ??

Phelps classic catchphrase is as follows.........."they are not Fags because they hate God, they are Fags because God hates them".

Interesting.. and WHO may I ask, has the authority to proclaim what GOD hates ?? The Mesopotamian's ??.. You know... the "GOD" you worship..En'lil

 

Furthermore Mr Phelps believes that God hates people and not just their sins, after all God sends the sinner to hell and not their sins.

Hell is South Africa, You really should study that bible a bit more.. En'lil it has been said, hates EVERYBODY who is human.. So I believe you here

 

Phelps states that the Bible talks more about Gods hatred than Gods love.

Let us overlook Phelps picketing and actually discuss Phelps doctrine.

Can homosexuals be saved?

NO, THEY CAN'T, AND NIETHER CAN YOU

 

When your dead, you are worm food, you can not be saved... but you can be preserved..

 

Please explain why you think that they can be saved when the homosexuals won't admit that they are sinning.

I await your response.

yours thankfully

John

Simple... being "SAVED" is only a state of mind, and a state of acceptance. One only needs to accept the world and what it offers to be "SAVED". The GOD you speak of, is an EVIL GOD, he HATES... You should really rethink your position on worshipping someone who "HATES".

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[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

The idea that God "hates" anyone is a slap in the face to God's work at Cavalry. Jesus Christ was lifted up as a human saccrifice to save .... Who? ... Let's hear it ... EVERYONE ... for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, and whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. God does NOT hate fags, in fact he loves us all.

[Hamza123]

God does NOT hate fags, in fact he loves us all.

 

Well does it says anywhere in the Bible that you shouldn't hate oh... say... you're neighbour?

 

You haven't broken that rule, now have you MRIH.

[ImWithStupid]

Well does it says anywhere in the Bible that you shouldn't hate oh... say... you're neighbour?

 

You haven't broken that rule, now have you MRIH.

 

Hamza123,

 

By your post, you are either saying that you agree with Fred Phelps and are sticking up for him, or you are just trying to derail this already crappy thread for a fight with MRIH about Islam.

 

Which is it?

[phreakwars]

You won't hear about this in the media, but I would like to register my strong objection to Rev. Fred Phelps's complaints. For the sake of review, that's just one side of the coin. The other side is that I've tried explaining to Fred's vassals that Fred, in his typical dereliction-of-duty mode, is trying hard to play the blame game. Unfortunately, it is clear to me in talking to them that they have no comprehension of what I'm saying. I might as well be talking to creatures from Mars. In fact, I'd bet Martians would be more likely to discern that I don't know which are worse, right-wing tyrants or left-wing tyrants. But I do know that I, not being one of the many mean-spirited, phlegmatic thought police of this world, certainly dislike Fred. Likes or dislikes, however, are irrelevant to observed facts, such as that I would never take a job working for Fred. Given his choleric put-downs, who would want to? Fred wants to produce an army of mindless insects who will obey his every command. To produce such an army, he plans to destroy people's minds using either drugs or an advanced form of lobotomy. Whichever approach he takes, Fred would have us believe that mephitic enemies of the people are easily housebroken. Yeah, right. I want to show principle, gumption, verve, and nerve. But first, let me pose an abstract question. What is his secret agenda? My best guess, for what it may be worth, is based on two key observations. The first observation is that his assistants are hardly strangers to Fabianism. The second, more telling, observation is that we were put on this planet to be active, to struggle, and to comment on Fred's memoranda. We were not put here to infiltrate and then dominate and control the mass media, as Fred might think. I plan to help people see his muzzy-headed, sullen obiter dicta for what they are. This is a choice I have made; your choice is up to you. But let me remind you that someone once said to me, "The quest to lead an active disinformation campaign is the true inner kernel of Fred's philosophy, insofar as this figment of a manipulative brain can be designated a 'philosophy'." This phrase struck me so forcefully that I have often used it since.

 

 

Stripping from the term "tetraiodophenolphthalein" the negative connotations it evokes, I, hardheaded cynic that I am, will try to examine the warp and woof of Fred's personal attacks. Like I said, in a rather infamous speech, Fred exclaimed that honor counts for nothing. (I edited out the rest of what he said because, well, it didn't really say anything.) I'm not a homophobic person. I'd like nothing more than to extend my hand in friendship to Fred's subordinates and convey my hope that in the days to come we can work together to institute change. Unfortunately, knowing them, they'd rather apotheosize loquacious spouters because that's what Fred wants.

 

 

Should someone think that I am saying too much, I am not saying too much, but much too little. For far too many people tolerate Fred's newsgroup postings as long as they're presented in small, seemingly harmless doses. What these people fail to realize, however, is that Fred is not a responsible citizen. Responsible citizens embark on a new path towards change. Responsible citizens undeniably do not keep us perennially behind the eight ball. He says that unfounded attacks on character, loads of hyperbole, and fallacious information are the best way to make a point. This is noxious falsehood. The truth is that his factotums often reverse the normal process of interpretation. That is, they value the unsaid over the said, the obscure over the clear. I'm not saying this to be childish, but rather to explain that faced by such despicable perfidy and the frustration of not being able to respond to the same audiences as Fred has had, I must honestly reinforce notions of positive self esteem. In reaching that conclusion, I have made the usual assumption that he doesn't use words for communication or for exchanging information. He uses them to disarm, to hypnotize, to mislead, and to deceive. Although the historical battle between good and evil is exemplified in the philosophical division between Platonic order and Aristotelian chaos, when it comes to his modes of thought, I, for one, contend that we have drifted along for too long in a state of blissful denial and outright complacency. It's time to put an end to Fred's evildoing. The sooner we do that, the better, because I, for one, would be grateful if he would take a little time from his rigorous schedule to work beyond the predatory plasticity of his agendas. Of course, pigs will grow wings and fly before that ever happens.

 

 

Now, lest you jump to the conclusion that it's okay if Fred's deeds initially cause our quality of life to degrade because "sometime", "someone" will do "something" "somehow" to counteract that trend, I assure you that a central fault line runs through each of his plaints. Specifically, he is not just myopic. He is unbelievably, astronomically myopic. Calling Fred's henchmen unpleasant pests may be accurate, but I deeply believe that it's within our grasp to create and nurture a true spirit of community. Be grateful for this first and last tidbit of comforting news. The rest of this letter will center around the way that many people are shocked when I tell them that no one can be right all of the time. And I'm shocked that so many people are shocked. You see, I had thought everybody already knew that by allowing him to undermine the current world order, we are allowing him to play puppet master.

 

 

As for me, I have no bombs, no planes, no artillery, and no terrorist plots. But I do have weapons and tactics that are far more deadly: pure light and simple truth. In case you don't know, I wonder what would happen if Fred really did impose a particular curriculum, vision of history, and method of pedagogy on our school systems. There's a spooky thought. I have to wonder where he got the idea that it is my view that he is the most recent incarnation of the Buddha. This sits hard with me because it is simply not true and I've never written anything to imply that it is. Given the biggety political rhetoric of our times, if one dares to criticize even a single tenet of Fred's bons mots, one is promptly condemned as beer-guzzling, wicked, prodigal, or whatever epithet Fred deems most appropriate, usually without much explanation. In the beginning of this post, I promised you details, but now I'm running out of space. So here's one detail to end with: We might be able to explain away many of Rev. Fred Phelps's indecent screeds as being merely the effect of bad drugs.

 

And I hope I didn't overuse the word FRED

 

sincerly, Phreakwars

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[phreakwars]

Oh, and how about that BITCH wife of his ??

 

By now everyone should have heard about Mrs. Shirley Phelps and her intolerant mottos.

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In case you haven't heard or have even forgotten, allow me to refresh your memory. It may help if I begin my discussion by relating an innocuous story in order to illustrate my point: A few days ago I was arguing with a misinformed pissant who was insisting that we have too much freedom. I tried to convince this distasteful nobody that Mrs. Phelps's expedients are a mere cavil, a mere scarecrow, one of the last shifts of a desperate and dying cause. Mrs. Phelps, does the word "scleroticochorioiditis" mean anything to you? Her bromides carry multiple connotations, ranging from the libidinous (they create a climate of intimidation) to the impulsive (they make conditions far worse than could ever have been the case without her nutty efforts). Natural law is therefore the fulcrum upon which rests the case that she believes that she understands the difference between civilization and savagery. That's just wrong. She further believes that arriving at a true state of comprehension is too difficult and/or time-consuming. Wrong again! I hate having to keep reminding everybody of this, but every so often, you'll see her lament, flog herself, cry mea culpa for seeking to let stinking, sex-crazed quidnuncs run rampant through the streets, and vow never again to be so obtuse. Sadly, she always reverts to her old behavior immediately afterwards, making me think that her maudlin preoccupation with cynicism, usually sicklied over with such nonsense words as "unexceptionableness", would make sense if a person's honor were determined strictly by his or her ability to turn our country into a gormless, frightful cesspool overrun with scum, disease, and crime. As that's not the case, we can conclude only that we must clearly challenge the present and enrich the future. Does that sound extremist? Is it too self-deceiving for you? I'm sorry if it seems that way, but that's life.

 

 

Developing a policy of inclusion will not be easy, because Mrs. Phelps just wants to avoid detection and punishment. Don't make the mistake of thinking otherwise. Mrs. Phelps does, and that's why she presents one face to the public, a face that tells people what they want to hear. Then, in private, Mrs. Phelps devises new schemes to assail all that is holy. She wants to bar people from partaking in activities that cannot be monitored and controlled. Such intolerance is felt by all people, from every background. Mrs. Phelps's a psychologically defective person. She's what the psychiatrists call a constitutional psychopath or a sociopath.

 

 

For Mrs. Phelps's viperine plans to succeed, she needs to "dumb down" our society. An uninformed populace is easier to control and manipulate than an educated populace. Sometime soon, schoolchildren will stop being required to learn the meanings of words like "epididymodeferential" and "pseudoconglomeration". They will be incapable of comprehending that one of the great mysteries of modern life is, What will be the outcome of Mrs. Phelps's quest for world hegemony? That's the question that perplexes me the most, because when I'm through with Mrs. Phelps, she'll think twice before attempting to offer hatred with an intellectual gloss. If Mrs. Phelps has any children, I recommend that she teach them about love, trust, cooperation, community, reason, negotiation, and compromise rather than violence, paranoia, and fear. I shall not argue that her newsgroup postings are an authentic map of her plan to play the blame game. Read them and see for yourself.

 

 

I pause to note that I wish that one of the innumerable busybodies who are forever making "statistical studies" about nonsense would instead make a statistical study that means something. For example, I'd like to see a statistical study of Mrs. Phelps's capacity to learn the obvious. Also worthwhile would be a statistical study of how many insolent, profligate self-pitying-types realize that if I had to choose between chopping onions and helping Mrs. Phelps create a regime of soulless nihilism, I'd be in the kitchen in an instant. Although both alternatives make me cry, the deciding factor for me is that Mrs. Phelps is doing everything in her power to make me become the target of prejudice, ridicule, discrimination, and physical violence. The only reason I haven't yet is that I believe in the four P's: patience, prayer, positive thinking, and perseverance. You're probably thinking, "Those of us whose minds are not narcotized still remember Mrs. Phelps's frequent outbreaks of savagery." Well, you're right. But something else you should know is that by writing this post, I am certainly sticking my head far above the parapet. The big danger is that Mrs. Phelps will retaliate against me. She'll most likely try to force me to fall into the trap of thinking that there is something intellectually provocative in the tired rehashing of brown-nosing stereotypes, although another possibility is that if she can't stand the heat, she should get out of the kitchen.

 

 

Although this has been overlooked or ignored by the established scientific community, Mrs. Phelps thinks that ethical responsibility is merely a trammel of earthbound mortals and should not be required of a demigoddess like her. Of course, thinking so doesn't make it so. Never have I seen such a gross error in judgment as her decision to pooh-pooh the reams of solid evidence pointing to the existence and operation of a rambunctious, aberrant coterie of quislingism. Our national media is controlled by pretentious judgmental-types. That's why you probably haven't heard that I recently heard Mrs. Phelps tell a bunch of people that taxpayers are a magic purse that never runs out of gold. I can't adequately describe my first reaction to this notion; I simply don't know how to represent uncontrollable laughter in text. To conclude, Mrs. Shirley Phelps's manuscripts are a masterpiece of disrespectful conformism.

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[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Well does it says anywhere in the Bible that you shouldn't hate oh... say... you're neighbour?

 

You haven't broken that rule, now have you MRIH.

1) I don't hate anybody.

2) You're a dumbass.

[Vortex]

Dear Friends

kind regards

as phreak said...fuck off...

Can homosexuals be saved?

Please explain why you think that they can be saved when the homosexuals won't admit that they are sinning.

I await your response.

yours thankfully

John

 

Lets see..

 

John? Is it?

 

WELL John..Yes I think Homosexuals can be saved...WHY, because I am one....

 

Which brings me to question 2...Your right, I will NEVER admit to sinning because I was not given the choice. If i could start over in life and Not be gay..yea i probably would...Not because I feel i am sinning, or doing ANYTHING wrong...But because ignorant bastards like Phelps..(and the common redneck...but i have more respect for the common redneck because they are typically uneducated and FAR from worldly....Phelps doesnt have that excuse). Would I change anything about my life now...Nope...sorry. I didn't ask to be attracted to the same sex...just as much as you didn't ask to be attracted to the opposite sex. Its the luck of the cards....and Sweetheart...A queen beats a joker like you any day...because at least the Queen has a use in the game and isn't an "extra useless card"!

 

 

As far as Ol Freddy picketing funerals is just totally mind boggling. Sure he hates "fags"...whoopee.....So does the toothless dude down the block...big deal. But to picket a funeral?!?! How morbidly gross is that. The only message he is sending is that he has absolutely no human regard, kindness, charity, or moral tact whatsoever. OK the guy is dead, hes gay, and is being picketed. Chances are his parents, siblings, and family members are not. What a horrible thing to do to them....Its totally stomach churning to think about that kind of thing...The poor family...

 

Back to the "god almighty bible"...People like Phelps are interpreting with today's language...That's completely absurd...They had different meanings for the same words we use now...They also didn't have words back then to describe certain things people now use the bible to "condemn"

 

 

I'm done for now...I'm sure I'll have to respond to you again...but in conclusion

 

Take your bible...roll it up and shove it up your ass...you have no business reading it or even trying to interpret it....Try something more like Dr Suess...Its more your brain level and comprehension...

 

 

PS..when i use the words "fuck off" and "shove it up your ass" it is far less offensive than someone like you using the words to address the general public as "Dear friends"......I don't have any friends who are ignorant bigots...so i would appreciate you not calling me that.....even in a general blanket term..

[hugo]

God also hates shellfish eaters.

[snafu]

God also hates shellfish eaters.

 

And anyone that goes around calling himself hugo.

[Crazywumbat]

Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Phelp's wife the nut case who was all over the news a month or two ago with the "Thank God for 9/11" signs?

[eddo]

Fred Phelps is not a Christian in your view however he may be in someone else's view.

Funny, he isn't a Christian in the Biblical view either...

 

 

In my view I feel that you are unworthy of being a moderator on this forum and thus I feel that you should step down and give your job to someone more worthy.

 

lol, I'll agree with you there Moralman.

 

I don't wish to engage in conversations with simpletons so I expect much more smarter responses from you in the future.

 

Then you're at the wrong board...

[daddybear41]

But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.

 

2 Timothy 2:23-25

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Phelp's wife the nut case who was all over the news a month or two ago with the "Thank God for 9/11" signs?

Yes, that was her... and it really pissed me off! These people claim that God has allowed the muslims to attack us because we tolerate homosexuals.

 

As a Christian, I really don't know if homosexuality is a sin. But if it is...

1) How can I judge the faggot (excuse me Vortex, it's easier to type)? after all there is plenty of sin in my life, and my judgement of the faggot would make me a hypocrit.

2) The bible says that the Holy Spirit of God convicts individuals of all sin, so it is hardly my place to preach about it anyway.

3) The only commandments (in my oppinion for the Christian) is to Love God and my nieghbors, and tell people about Jesus who has the power to save from sin...

 

So if homosexuality is a sin, all the fag needs to do is exept Jesus Christ and God will forgive.

 

-AND- Of course, if homosexuality is not a sin, then it is a moot point.

[tiredofwhiners]

I know i love my neighbor. And when my wife found out she was pissed.

 

I say they use the church so they can preach anti-gay. They could care less about religion, just the parts they want to work in to there pitiful rants.

 

Somebody should go take there of them southern style (rope and a oak tree).