What the hell is wrong with America?

[wez]

Barry Bonds is being indicted by a Federal grand jury for 5 counts on obstruction of justice and perjury for lying to them about steroids apparently.

 

 

Why the hell is our Federal Government involved in what Barry Bonds injects into his muscles. This is major league baseball and we're in the middle of a war. Right on... I see the enemy now..

 

 

Barry Bonds killed Uncle Sam in the locker room with a hypo... get a rope.

[eddo]

Perhaps you need to reread the charges...

[snafu]

Barry Bonds is being indicted by a Federal grand jury for 5 counts on obstruction of justice and perjury for lying to them about steroids apparently.

I never had sex with that women - Bill Clinton

 

So wez what dose perjury mean?

[wez]

I never had sex with that women - Bill Clinton

 

So wez what dose perjury mean?

 

 

Perjury = lying under oath..

[wez]

Perhaps you need to reread the charges...

 

 

 

What are they.. I saw it scroll on ESPN.. Point is, never should have been in a position to perjure himself in front of a federal grand jury, who by the way, can hold a person indefinetly without charges to answer questions as they claim the 5th amendment does not apply in their holy presence....

 

 

4 counts of perjury.. 1 count of obstruction of justice... What the hell was I suppose to look again at? They charge him with wearing black underwear too?

 

 

Had to bust up that flax seed oil ring...

 

 

Lets drag his rotting corpse up Pennsylvania Ave after "we" hang him and broadcast it around the world... That'll learn those steroid using, growth hormone pumping evildoers.. bravo... bravo.

 

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/sports/usbonds111507ind.html

[eddo]

Barry Bonds is being indicted by a Federal grand jury for 5 counts on obstruction of justice and perjury

 

Those are the charges. Thus far it has little to do with steroid use, but more to do with him lying to a federal grand jury.

 

 

Why the hell is our Federal Government involved in what Barry Bonds injects into his muscles.

As of now, they aren't. Sure it stems from the alleged steroid use, but perjury is not the same as illegal substance use.

 

This is major league baseball and we're in the middle of a war. Right on... I see the enemy now..

 

I like your way of thinking. The entire countries judicial system should be shut down while we are at war in Iraq. That would be very productive... </sarcasm>

 

 

4 counts of perjury.. 1 count of obstruction of justice... What the hell was I suppose to look again at?

Just that. You seem to be confused.

Black underwear? flax seed oil ring?

 

Nice dramatics and all (I especially noticed the racial undertones of hanging him and dragging him through the streets,) but last time I checked, perjury was a pretty serious offense, especially to a federal grand jury.

[snafu]

I never had sex with that women - Bill Clinton

 

So wez what dose perjury mean?

 

Those are the charges. Thus far it has little to do with steroid use, but more to do with him lying to a federal grand jury.

 

 

 

As of now, they aren't. Sure it stems from the alleged steroid use, but perjury is not the same as illegal substance use.

 

 

 

I like your way of thinking. The entire countries judicial system should be shut down while we are at war in Iraq. That would be very productive... </sarcasm>

 

 

 

Just that. You seem to be confused.

Black underwear? flax seed oil ring?

 

Nice dramatics and all (I especially noticed the racial undertones of hanging him and dragging him through the streets,) but last time I checked, perjury was a pretty serious offense, especially to a federal grand jury.

 

Didn't I just say that?

[wez]

Those are the charges. Thus far it has little to do with steroid use, but more to do with him lying to a federal grand jury.

 

Shut the hell up

 

 

 

As of now, they aren't. Sure it stems from the alleged steroid use, but perjury is not the same as illegal substance use.

 

 

Shut the hell up

 

 

 

I like your way of thinking. The entire countries judicial system should be shut down while we are at war in Iraq. That would be very productive... </sarcasm>

 

 

There doin' a fine job with tax dollars questioning Barry Bonds about flax seed oil rings.. read the indictment and shut the hell up.

 

 

 

Just that. You seem to be confused.

Black underwear? flax seed oil ring?

 

 

 

Shut the hell up

 

 

Nice dramatics and all (I especially noticed the racial undertones of hanging him and dragging him through the streets,) but last time I checked, perjury was a pretty serious offense, especially to a federal grand jury.

 

 

They can blow it out their ass and you can shut the hell up.

[eddo]

Shut the hell up

Shut the hell up

There doin' a fine job with tax dollars questioning Barry Bonds about flax seed oil rings.. read the indictment and shut the hell up.

Shut the hell up

They can blow it out their ass and you can shut the hell up.

 

Oh, you should've said in the original post that you didn't want to actually discuss this.

 

I woulda left you alone.

 

My bad...

[wez]

Oh, you should've said in the original post that you didn't want to actually discuss this.

 

I woulda left you alone.

 

My bad...

 

My fault, shoulda told you to shut the hell up right from the get go.. Hahahahahaha

 

 

His perjury is for saying he never "knowingly" did steroids... why was that an issue for a federal grand jury? A flax seed oil ring needed busting up? Good for them... They got an evildoer... America will sleep well tonight.

 

 

I'm pretty certain I could bathe in flax seed oil and run through streets naked screaming, "I just bathed in flax seed oil, wanna buy some?" and not end up in front of a grand jury... Please expain.

 

 

In addition, I could run through the streets screaming "I didn't cheated on my wife with "Monica Lewinski", and not end up in front of a grand jury... Steroids, adultry, what's next? G.W. didn't wipe his ass after he took a dump and lied about it...

[snafu]

...what's next? G.W. didn't wipe his ass after he took a dump and lied about it...

If he said it under oath then he would be impeached and or go to jail.

[snafu]

I guess what your saying is it's OK to lie under oath. I can say you got a blow job from Monica too and there would be no repercussions for me lying.

[wez]

I guess what your saying is it's OK to lie under oath. I can say you got a blow job from Monica too and there would be no repercussions for me lying.

 

What I'm saying is why the hell are they being questioned for this sh t by a federal grand jury in the first place without a right against self incrimination like every other court in the land? Is this the "morality" police? F ck that bullsh t. Adultry and personal steroid use?? ..People can be held for life without ever being charged with a crime for refusing to speak..

 

 

Lets indict eddo and find out how many times a week he masturbates and put it on the evening news.... Hahahahahahahahaha

 

 

It's f cked up..

 

 

How about we outlaw lying, period. I wanna charge someone with perjury for lying to me too, but lets be reasonable here.. Murder.. corruption.. fine. Adultry.. Steroids.. you gotta be f cking kidding me..

[Jhony5]

I agree with Wez. Why in gods gay name was Barry Bonds ever in front of a federal grand jury talking about baseball fairness anyway?

 

I never got that. Maybe I didn't get my copy of the "Baseball has something to do with the government" newsletter.

[wez]

I agree with Wez. Why in gods gay name was Barry Bonds ever in front of a federal grand jury talking about baseball fairness anyway?

 

I never got that. Maybe I didn't get my copy of the "Baseball has something to do with the government" newsletter.

 

I missed that one too... You know, I'm curious how many women Charlie Sheen f cked in the Heidi Fleiss prostitution scandle... Lets get him.

[snafu]

I agree with Wez. Why in gods gay name was Barry Bonds ever in front of a federal grand jury talking about baseball fairness anyway?

 

I never got that. Maybe I didn't get my copy of the "Baseball has something to do with the government" newsletter.

 

Well its against the law.

 

http://www.steroidlaw.com/article_full.asp_id=4

[wez]

Well its against the law.

 

http://www.steroidlaw.com/article_full.asp_id=4

 

 

F ck them and their morality laws. If I wanna bathe in flax seed oil whilst smoking a joint and cheating on my wife, as if I'd ever get "legally/morally" married, It aint none of their f ucking business.

[snafu]

The whole idea of sports is who's better not who can take the most drugs.

 

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=5753&postcount=57

[snafu]

F ck them and their morality laws. If I wanna bathe in flax seed oil whilst smoking a joint and cheating on my wife, as if I'd ever get "legally/morally" married, It aint none of their f ucking business.

 

It is there business. They signed a contract and again it's against the law.

[snafu]

[ame=http://www.metacafe.com/watch/78517/steroids_use/]Steroids Use Video[/ame]

 

ing freak!

[hugo]

We need to go back to the days when coke was in cola and you could get morphine with no prescription.

[eddo]

What I'm saying is why the hell are they being questioned for this sh t by a federal grand jury in the first place without a right against self incrimination like every other court in the land? Is this the "morality" police? F ck that bullsh t. Adultry and personal steroid use?? ..People can be held for life without ever being charged with a crime for refusing to speak..

 

Now that is a decent discussion. Maybe you should have started with that statement.

 

 

I, too, never really understood why steroid use in baseball was a case for a federal grand jury. but like Snafu said, it's illegal. Do something illegal, lie about it under oath, and you will likely get in to trouble.

 

Bill Clinton wasn't impeached for adultery. He was impeached for lying under oath. Adultery isn't illegal, but he still felt a need to lie about it. Lying under oath needs to carry some sort of penalty to protect the integrity of the judicial system- which may not be perfect, but it is about the best system that the world has today.

[wez]

What I propose is we pressure the government to appoint a Flax Seed oil Czar or Tzar, (Ruskies weren't too bright) and create a new division of the homeland security department, whereas, we create 100,000 new jobs at the stroke of a pen and solve all of our economic problems in the process.

 

 

Don't forget about all the new fringe jobs this will create as well..Prison construction and people to gaurd those prison should create millions alone...

 

 

F cking A....

[ImWithStupid]

I agree with Wez. Why in gods gay name was Barry Bonds ever in front of a federal grand jury talking about baseball fairness anyway?

 

I never got that. Maybe I didn't get my copy of the "Baseball has something to do with the government" newsletter.

 

He wasn't. He was testifying in the Federal case dealing with Balco and doping of US Olympic Athletes. Bonds name (along with dozens of other names of athletes, many not in baseball, who also testified) came up in the investigation as a person illegally using steroids provided by Balco.

 

April 25, 2004: The San Jose Mercury News reports that a government memorandum from September claims Conte admitted providing steroids to 27 athletes. Conte's lawyer acknowledges the existence of the memorandum but denies that his client made the comments. The athletes listed include five baseball players (Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Armando Rios), seven football players (Bill Romanowski, Dana Stubblefield, Josh Taves, Barret Robbins, Chris Cooper, Johnnie Morton, Daryl Gardener) and 15 track and field athletes (Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Regina Jacobs, Kevin Toth, Alvin Harrison, Calvin Harrison, Kelli White, Chryste Gaines, Eric Thomas, Michelle Collins, Ramon Clay, Dwain Chambers, John McEwen, Zhanna Block, Olga Vasdeki).

 

It wasn't just a "US Government, picking on baseball or racially motivated witch hunt for Bonds, as his attorney wants people to think (I screwed up. Now what. I know, I'm black so lets use the race card). You testify in a Federal Grand Jury and lie. You should be punished. However, I do think the punishment should definitely reflect on how much, if any, your lie hindered the investigation or case at hand.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/balco-timeline.htm

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[wez]

He wasn't. He was testifying in the Federal case dealing with Balco and doping of US Olympic Athletes. Bonds name (along with dozens of other names of athletes, many not in baseball, who also testified) came up in the investigation as a person illegally using steroids provided by Balco.

 

 

 

It wasn't just a "US Government, picking on baseball or racially motivated witch hunt for Bonds, as his attorney wants people to think (I screwed up. Now what. I know, I'm black so lets use the race card). You testify in a Federal Grand Jury and lie. You should be punished. However, I do think the punishment should definitely reflect on how much, if any, your lie hindered the investigation or case at hand.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/balco-timeline.htm

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It's not Barry, steroids, adultry, perjury... try looking deeper and remember this is America.. Land of the free, home of the brave.. With a government unmatched in the history of the world in the quantity of direct and indirect involvment in the lives of it's citizens.. Why doesn't someone tell me what is untouched by the hand of the federal government. Wake up, please, before we lose it all...

 

 

Perhaps that's why we merely like to talk about freedom so much, like those who need to convince themselves of a lie.

 

 

 

 

 

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.~ Benjamin Franklin

 

 

 

If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other. ~ Carl Shurz

 

 

 

We the people, as a whole, are the exact opposite of what we claim we are. ~ wez