dead scumbags

[Old Salt]

Armed citizens don't help cops. They might get shot themselves or be in the way. Also (not in this case) after blowing them away I would hope you could prove they were stealing something. Third you better hope you kill the person becuse I can see them coming back and sueing you for one reason or another.

The family could sue, too. Loss of support or something like that.

[hugo]

Armed citizens don't help cops. Don't get me wrong. I'm armed a lot of the time too. And if I see a robbery taking place say in a store, I might intervine if I feel someone is being threatend But you might get shot yourself or be in the way if police are present. Also (not in this case) after blowing them away I would hope you could prove they were stealing something. Third you better hope you kill the person becuse I can see them coming back and sueing you for one reason or another.

 

Joe took two career criminals permanently off the streets. That helps society and the cops.Yes, it is a good idea to make sure they are dead.

[timesjoke]

Good, because you aren't. In any case the vast majority of scum end up in politics, generally not being shot.

 

There are only a few thousand politicians while just the criminals that were busted and are in prison number in millions, now let's consider most home invasions/robberies are never solved, and we start learning that the real scum are out there making us all victims through things like increased insurance costs.

 

 

No matter how much people may wish otherwise, we do not have the right to decide whether someone lives or dies. That choice was not for this man to decide or anyone else.

 

Why not?

 

We let woman end life over 1.4 million times a year in America, yes 1.4 million abortions happened in America last year, but ya, these poor scumbags should have been allowed to get away and turn more people into victims.

 

 

Do you like having police around? Do you think we need police? Because if everyone followed this guy's train of logic, than we might as well buy everyone a shotgun and disband the police entirely.

 

The most a policeman can do is respond to people already being a victim, they cannot protect anyone. Only you can protect yourself or your society from those that want to harm you.

 

 

If there was more fear of getting killed for robbing homes, maybe a few would not take up the profession.

[Old Salt]

Joe Horn's lawyer was on O'Reilly. Here's a transcript of the interview:

FOXNews.com - Hero or Vigilante? - Bill O?Reilly | The O?Reilly Factor

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Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can.

Author: Samuel Adams

[ImWithStupid]

Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can.

Author: Samuel Adams

 

And that relates how?

[timesjoke]

Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can.

Author: Samuel Adams

 

 

The reason it relates is because from our humble beginnings, we were designed to have certain rights, and one of those rights was to defend our lives, our liberty, and our property.

 

Most liberals now want to completely remove our right to defend our property. Most of them completely ignore the fact that only the criminal has the choice to conduct the criminal act, everyone else is reacting to that criminals decision.

[snafu]

I guess Texas might end up being in a league of its own some day.

 

The reason that Texas will end up monopolizing executions is because every other state will eliminate it de jure .... or de facto.

 

DAVID R. DOW

a University of Houston law professor who has defended death row inmates, saying one day all U.S. executions will take place in Texas

 

Wednesday, Dec. 26, 2007 - Quotes of the Day - TIME

[ImWithStupid]

I guess Texas might end up being in a league of its own some day.

 

 

Then Texas will have the only sanctioned executions in prison by court order and on the street supported by law.

 

On a serious note, I sure hope this isn't true. Here in Nebraska, a senator going out next year on term limits, has made it a life's work to abolish the death penalty. If we don't allow another form of execution soon he may have a chance. Currently Nebraska is the only state that still has the electric chair as it's only form of execution and pending the Supreme Court decision on lethal injection, Nebraska probably won't adopt another form until that is resolved.

[snafu]

I think thats why we have prison problems. You can only house so many people for long stretches and life sentences. Some of those people don't deserve the air they breath. Not to mention I think it's more humane to euthanize them.

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

Here in Nebraska, a senator going out next year on term limits, has made it a life's work to abolish the death penalty. QUOTE]

 

How can a US politician bring this about ? Is it possible to annul certain ammendments, or perhaps the whole constitution, and re-write the document?

 

I thought the constitution was for all time. We dont have one in the UK, which is exactly as politicians here want it to be. It gives them more scope to do as they wish. Thats how I see it.

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

I think thats why we have prison problems. You can only house so many people for long stretches and life sentences. Some of those people don't deserve the air they breath. Not to mention I think it's more humane to euthanize them.

 

I agree. It is more humane to destroy them than incarcerate them for 20 years. Not only tha, but it's unfair to force citizens to finance their time in jail. It costs millions. I would rather it was spent on housing, education and pensions etc. Not trash.

[wez]

I think thats why we have prison problems. You can only house so many people for long stretches and life sentences. Some of those people don't deserve the air they breath. Not to mention I think it's more humane to euthanize them.

 

 

I think our prison problem is from our ridiculous mandatory minimum drug laws mostly. They need to let rapists and murderers out to make room for dopeheads who never committed any violent crimes. The war on drugs is an utter and complete failure. Not the greatest idea a president and his wife ever had to create more jobs.. Where's the sense in giving a person 20 years for smoking crack?

[ImWithStupid]

Here in Nebraska' date=' a senator going out next year on term limits, has made it a life's work to abolish the death penalty. [/quote']

 

How can a US politician bring this about ? Is it possible to annul certain ammendments, or perhaps the whole constitution, and re-write the document?

 

I thought the constitution was for all time. We dont have one in the UK, which is exactly as politicians here want it to be. It gives them more scope to do as they wish. Thats how I see it.

 

The issue of the death penalty is state by state. Some states have the death penalty as an option for sentence to a capital crime, others don't. The Constitution, to the best of my knowledge doesn't specifically address this issue.

 

The death penalty can be determined as "cruel and unusual punishment", by the Supreme Court and be outlawed in the entire country though.

 

To clear it up a bit. This is a Nebraska State Senator, not a US Senator. FYI.

[ImWithStupid]

I think our prison problem is from our ridiculous mandatory minimum drug laws mostly. They need to let rapists and murderers out to make room for dopeheads who never committed any violent crimes. The war on drugs is an utter and complete failure. Not the greatest idea a president and his wife ever had to create more jobs.. Where's the sense in giving a person 20 years for smoking crack?

 

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[Guest Stedric]

There are only a few thousand politicians while just the criminals that were busted and are in prison number in millions,

Most of the prison population is composed of drug offenders, not burglars.

 

now let's consider most home invasions/robberies are never solved,

I'll consider it if you can prove it.

 

and we start learning that the real scum are out there making us all victims through things like increased insurance costs.

Victims of higher insurance costs?! What?! You are living in a world where 25, 000 people die of starvation every day, and you think that having to pay a little more on insurance endows you with the title of "victim"?

 

Yeah, often enough people who are career criminals are scum. They are scummy, lousy, amoral human beings. So what? That doesn't give me, you, or anyone a right to blow them away. We have a legal system in place for good reason. but if you would like to go back to a civilization without due process, be my guest. Just don't drag the rest of us with you.

 

We let woman end life over 1.4 million times a year in America, yes 1.4 million abortions happened in America last year, but ya, these poor scumbags should have been allowed to get away and turn more people into victims.

A fetus is not a life. But I don't want to turn this into a pro-choice, pro-life argument, so let's assume that it is. So what? How would one type of murder then justify another?

 

The most a policeman can do is respond to people already being a victim, they cannot protect anyone. Only you can protect yourself or your society from those that want to harm you.

 

The most a policeman can do is try and diffuse the situation without any one getting hurt. That's his JOB. Thats what we pay him to do.

 

Were these guys attacking him personally? Was his life in danger? No. There are lots of ways to protect yourself and your property (e.g. calling the police). Believe it or not, problems can be solved without murder! What an age we live in!

 

If there was more fear of getting killed for robbing homes, maybe a few would not take up the profession.

There has always been varying degrees of violence in society, and there have always been crooks. Scale up the violence, and you will just scale up the violence that the crooks use.

 

The people robbing homes will just buy bigger guns and bullet proof armor. And if they see someone watching, they will not hesitate to shoot him/her. Ever heard of the term "escalation"?

[snafu]

I think our prison problem is from our ridiculous mandatory minimum drug laws mostly. They need to let rapists and murderers out to make room for dopeheads who never committed any violent crimes. The war on drugs is an utter and complete failure. Not the greatest idea a president and his wife ever had to create more jobs.. Where's the sense in giving a person 20 years for smoking crack?

 

I have to agree with that. Although I've haven't seen to many rich crack heads. Most of them resort to crime to obtain enough for their addictions.

[ImWithStupid]

I have to agree with that. Although I've haven't seen to many rich crack heads.

 

 

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[hugo]

Clearly, our founding fathers did not find hanging as cruel and unusual punishment so let us bring back hanging.

[hugo]

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There has always been varying degrees of violence in society, and there have always been crooks. Scale up the violence, and you will just scale up the violence that the crooks use.

 

 

I guess if an aggressor wishes to screw you in the ass you will put up no resistance?

[snafu]

 

There has always been varying degrees of violence in society, and there have always been crooks. Scale up the violence, and you will just scale up the violence that the crooks use.

 

The people robbing homes will just buy bigger guns and bullet proof armor. And if they see someone watching, they will not hesitate to shoot him/her. Ever heard of the term "escalation"?

 

 

See this is what really scares me about our society today. People really think this way. I'm totally stunned.

What the would be your solution?

[snafu]

If you just talk nice enough they'll go away.

[hugo]

See this is what really scares me about our society today. People really think this way. I'm totally stunned.

What the would be your solution?

 

it demonstrates the socialist's contempt for private property rights.

[snafu]

it demonstrates the socialist's contempt for private property rights.

 

I don't see where social contempt for stuff comes into play. But I see absolute ignorance on how to deal with violence. Protecting your stuff and protecting life is something different. However I would tend to lean toward self preservation (even stuff) if it came to pacifism as the alternative.

[ImWithStupid]

See this is what really scares me about our society today. People really think this way. I'm totally stunned.

What the would be your solution?

 

I kind of have to agree with Stedric on this one. If confronting burglars with violence becomes more of a norm or threat. The criminals will just take out anyone who might be a threat to them. Whether that means taking out the neighbors before or after a burglary. Just how many started to take out phone lines to prevent calls to 911 or alarms to alert the alarm companies. In the end the criminal will do whatever it takes. The innocent civilian who may happen to accidentally witness a crime and get killed for it, even if they had no intention of intervening in the act or not, will be the true victim.

 

The escalation is a fluid and mobile thing and unfortunately, usually the good guys are playing catchup.