wez Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 I don't know, seems to me he tends to be a bit of a control freak. Johny said he found a story about a school stripper suspicious and TJ immediately took it personally and jumped his ass for "questioning his honesty" and bringing his "integrity" into question. The matter was cleared up but I still don't see where TJ addmitted he was wrong.. Then he runs around the forum, using it as his personal toilet, judging others for "attacking" people for disagreeing with them and spends the remainder of his time whining and complaining about editing, english, and other members posting on a thread that has their name on it... I think he needs help, what do you all think?
eddo Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 I have no issue with TJ's debate skills. He acts like an adult, provides facts, and doesn't let personal feelings get in the way of a good discussion. He has also been very helpful to newer members who have a hard time getting a hang of this kind of boards features- in oder to help them organize their thoughts in a way that betters the debate. I look forward to future debates with TimesJoke, and am glad that he made it through the junk at GF to find this place. I'm trusted by more women.
RegisteredAndEducated Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 I have no issue with TJ's debate skills. He acts like an adult, provides facts, and doesn't let personal feelings get in the way of a good discussion. He has also been very helpful to newer members who have a hard time getting a hang of this kind of boards features- in oder to help them organize their thoughts in a way that betters the debate. I look forward to future debates with TimesJoke, and am glad that he made it through the junk at GF to find this place. agreed. Well said eddo. 1 Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
wez Posted November 21, 2007 Author Posted November 21, 2007 Here are TJ's posts in the censorship thread that he keeps accusing me of personally attacking ??? and derailing.. Post 1.. Wez, you are completely unreasonable. If you have a problem with something that happened on another forum, then handle it on that forum, not this one. If you want to "have it out" with eddo because he was involved, fine, take it to private messages but it does not belong on the open forum of "this forum". You have sore feelings for what you felt was done to you by eddo, I can understand how that makes you feel but you don't let that battle spill out into the streets of any forum you can take the time to post it in. If you have a problem with an employee at wal-mart, you don't attack them if you see them at Target, there is a time and place for everything, and this is not the place for your grievance. I am a moderator on a couple forums and sometimes censorship is needed to keep the peace, sometimes people push the limits, they get outlandish just to either start trouble or to get attention and that kind of thing must be discouraged. I have only known you a short time but I will venture to say that you are an attention seeking type that sometimes needs a little nudge from staff to keep you from getting completely out of control. But that is just my first impression. Post 2.. If you want to keep the discussion private, then talk in private messages, if you post it in the public forum, then the public can discuss it. I would have thought you could understand that by now. You can always take it to pm's as eddo attempted if you want to make it private, if not, I will continue to insert my opinions on a public discussion. You are crying about something that happened on another forum, not this forum. I am sure that forum had rules that are completely different than the rules here as is the couple forums I am a mod on so that is why it is not relivant here. If you behaved there as you are behaving now, I can understand why you were censored, By the way, as eddo was trying to help you understand, private forums are not comparable to government censoring, it is apples and oranges. Wez, please take the time to figure out what you want to say "before" you hit the submit button. It is frustrating to answer your post just to see you have changed it several times while I was writing. You can preview your posts and read them through to be sure you included everything you wanted to say "before" you post it. That will make your posting experience easier and will create less confusion for everyone else. Post 3..I expect nothing more from your type, but I will keep trying anyway to help you and others like you to understand. Talk to an admin. Just like when you have the problem with a wal-mart employee, you talk to their manager, you don't chase them all over town and attack them in Target like a 5 year old. First of all, if you are chasing eddo around to attack him for what happened on another forum, you are in the wrong, you go to the admin for help with a moderator, not show your behind on other forums to complain. Again, forums are privately owned and run by people, not governments and do not need to conform to censorship laws set by the federal government that cover their offices. If you earned the negative attention of a moderator, then again, you "earned" that attention, maybe you should take what you earned like a man and stop acting like a 5 year old. Again, take more time to post what you want to say if you want me to respond, your constant editing of your posts can be avoided if your adult enough to slow down and be sure of what you want to say "before" you say it. I feel like I am talking to my 8 year old. The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~Lord Jeffrey Post 5..So is a 5 year old, and it seems just as capable. Wrong again (as usual) you are complaining about actions from him under his job as a moderator for a forum, not a private act outside his responsibilities so clearly your only "reasonable" course of action is to take it to his supervisor, in this case a forum admin, not chase him around to other forums acting like a spoiled child. And that is your opinion, you are entitled to your opinions but when you are carrying around a huge chip on your shouldrer that comes from another forum, that makes you behave in a very silly way and only tells all of us that you most likely deserved whatever happened to you there if you will act so out of control here. Again, your comprenhension skills need a little work, I said if you want me to respond to your posts, you should grow up, slow down, and make sure you complete your post "before" you make that post. It is difficult to reply to your post when you keep changing it over and over while I am typing. If your just posting to see yourself post, fine, continue on your self-serving path my child. You do see how silly it is to talk that way when you are here having a temper tantrum over something that happened on another forum right? The problem is when Wez is involved, every discussion is derailed. Time and again he is proven wrong and he turns to personal attacks to cover his mistakes, hoping the discussion will be all about that and everyone forgets he was proven wrong. I can understand why he gets banned everywhere he goes, he does not give the admins much of a choice. Any thread with a post from you in it is derailed because of your personal attacks and rediclious behavoir. You need to grow up. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Funny stuff Wez, You attack everyone else calling them names and claiming they do you wrong but you refuse to admit when you are wrong, typical of people like you. It is you who is hypocritical, not everyone you attack every day. You guys are right... he is one hell of a masterdebater... Hahahahahahaha
timesjoke Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 My only problem with you Wez is you lie. You know you lie and when the lies are pointed out, you turn to personal attacks to change the subject away from what you were proven wrong about. You are also carrying a lot of personal garbage from other forums you have been banned from and taking it out on members here. Things like that have nothing to do with this forum and should be handled on the forum in question or in private messages if nothing else, but you like the attention, any attention you can find, so you start this drama queen crap to get that attention.
wez Posted November 21, 2007 Author Posted November 21, 2007 My only problem with you Wez is you lie. You know you lie and when the lies are pointed out, you turn to personal attacks to change the subject away from what you were proven wrong about. You are also carrying a lot of personal garbage from other forums you have been banned from and taking it out on members here. Things like that have nothing to do with this forum and should be handled on the forum in question or in private messages if nothing else, but you like the attention, any attention you can find, so you start this drama queen crap to get that attention. Now you accuse me of lying? Now I know what else you are... Where did I ever lie about anything and attack anyone who pointed it out? Prove it... You are one sick mother f cker... And a hypocrite as you lie in calling me a liar... Prove it. 1
wez Posted November 21, 2007 Author Posted November 21, 2007 Here is TJ debating with Jhony, who thought a story about a stripper was questionable, who, by the way, never called TJ's honesty into question, or his integrity..... TJ's response tells me it may not be such a bad idea though.. First of all, I never use questionable sources and have never given anyone the reason to doubt the honesty of the news stories I post so questioning my integrity is simply childish. If you were that concerned about the validity of the story I posted, you could have googled it but instead, you prefer to cal my honesty into question. The original source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,309462,00.html It was based on this story: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...292050,00.html I just did a google searched and found hundreds of blogs and news stories covering this topic so if you had put the same energy checking as you did being negative, you would have answered your own question and not made a useless post. 1
Feckless Wench Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 Jeez, surely everyone should be free to debate as they see fit without getting pissy about it? Dementia is just a state of mind.
wez Posted November 21, 2007 Author Posted November 21, 2007 Jeez, surely everyone should be free to debate as they see fit without getting pissy about it? Thank you fecky... I tire of defending myself against petty lies and hypocrisy wherever I go... I agree.
timesjoke Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 You lie all the time, the first time I saw it was when you spouted off about all soldiers being blind killers who don't have minds of their own (not an exact quote. your not worth the time to look it up) and being ex-military myself I knew you never served yourself if you are telling lies like that. I pointed out that lie and you turned to personal attacks to cover that lie, that is how I will always see you until you can learn to apply a little self-control.
wez Posted November 21, 2007 Author Posted November 21, 2007 You lie all the time, the first time I saw it was when you spouted off about all soldiers being blind killers who don't have minds of their own (not an exact quote. your not worth the time to look it up) and being ex-military myself I knew you never served yourself if you are telling lies like that. I pointed out that lie and you turned to personal attacks to cover that lie, that is how I will always see you until you can learn to apply a little self-control. So that is where you are stuck and think you have a right to be angry with me and personally attack me and derail every thread and accuse me of being what you are and doing what you do? I offended you 3 weeks ago? Why didn't you say so.. I'll say it again. Get as pissed as you want, it was you who personally attacked me after that.. I was asking you about boot camp. Soldiers are trained to kill, first and formost. In order to accomplish that and perform on the field of battle and be able to kill another human being in cold blood, they must first undergo intense "training", do they not? Is individuality and getting in touch with your personal feelings of love and forgivness encouraged in the armed services? Those are good things, wouldn't you agree? I don't think they are encouraged, they are teaching people how to kill other people. Spaz away... hypocritize and personally attack me and derail every post on a chat forum while you accuse me of doing that to you.. You didn't even give me anything to disagree with. You personally attacked me because you disagreed with me and after 3 weeks or more, you finally admit it. Perhaps you'll stop now. I'm sorry I believe that, but your antics will not change that. Give a good reason why I should not think that.. You did the opposite, you gave me good reason to strengthen my belief in that. Thank you, I appreciate it.
timesjoke Posted November 21, 2007 Posted November 21, 2007 I was not mad at you then or now, I just see you as a lier, a guy who will make up anything that maks his possition "sound" better, no matter how rediculious his lies must become. Soldiers are not the blind killing machines you try to say they are, in fact they are drilled about legal and illegal orders and made to understand how they differ. Being as you have never seved your country, you cannot understand what you are attacking. At any rate, this is the example you asked for of your lies, you again try to sidestep your lie and make personal attacks on me to try and take attention away from the lie, the very thing I pointed out.
wez Posted November 21, 2007 Author Posted November 21, 2007 I was not mad at you then or now, I just see you as a lier, a guy who will make up anything that maks his possition "sound" better, no matter how rediculious his lies must become. TJ, you were, are, and have been mad about that every time you've seen me since. Once again, you are personally attacking me because you disagree with me. There is no substance in anything you said to prove me a liar. You merely just keep repeating your accusations of me in the hopes of drawing the attention of anyone and everyone you can to validate your right to be angry with me. The mob has thus far reached 3. Perhaps if you repeat it long enough, the administration may get tired of all this mind f cking you are attempting and ban me. I've learned when enough is enough and I've had enough. I don't need to use anger, intimidation and mind f cks to validate my beliefs through other people. If you can't accept the way I feel about every military in this world and can't give me a valid debate, then it's over. I will not participate in your antics anymore as all I care to do is expose them (your antics), and then sit back and watch. Thanks for doing that for me. Feel free to personally attack me and derail every post I reply in, accuse me of being you, and cry to punish me for it. I will not be responding in kind anymore. Soldiers are not the blind killing machines you try to say they are, in fact they are drilled about legal and illegal orders and made to understand how they differ. "Legal and Illegal" depends on who has the bigger gun. To me, there is no "legal" way to intentionally take the life of another human being and I think Jesus would agree with me. Wouldn't you? How do they differ? Excellent topic.... Being as you have never seved your country, you cannot understand what you are attacking. Is that the only way to serve your country? I serve my country, and the world, as well as every individual in it the best I can. Perhaps you are not understanding what you are defending. At any rate, this is the example you asked for of your lies, you again try to sidestep your lie and make personal attacks on me to try and take attention away from the lie, the very thing I pointed out. Where did I lie? It is my belief.
snafu Posted November 22, 2007 Posted November 22, 2007 Jeez, surely everyone should be free to debate as they see fit without getting pissy about it? Ahmen! There is no need for this bickering. This is a debate forum. For God's sake once you've givin your oppinion and its' gone around a few times, let it go. Everybody! Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like eddo is the only one that has got this down. Some peole just won't get it. I don't agree with wez but I see where he's coming from and I think in time as he gets older things will sink in. But there are two sides to a debate. "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
timesjoke Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 TJ, you were, are, and have been mad about that every time you've seen me since. Once again, you are personally attacking me because you disagree with me. There is no substance in anything you said to prove me a liar. You merely just keep repeating your accusations of me in the hopes of drawing the attention of anyone and everyone you can to validate your right to be angry with me. The mob has thus far reached 3. And you know that I am mad how exactly? You are not capable of making me mad. Maybe you put a lot of importance on this pretend world to the point it creats those kinds of emotions in you if someone says something you don't like or agree with but I do not. I can point out how pathetic you are with your need to make stuff up to make your possitions sound better without even a shread of emotion, like a doctor cutting away at cancer. Perhaps if you repeat it long enough, the administration may get tired of all this mind f cking you are attempting and ban me. I've learned when enough is enough and I've had enough. I don't need to use anger, intimidation and mind f cks to validate my beliefs through other people. And yet your every post is filled with lies, anger, calloing people names, personal attacks, and childish games, obviously you do "need" to use these things because you have no facts to back your preset agenda. If you can't accept the way I feel about every military in this world and can't give me a valid debate, then it's over. I will not participate in your antics anymore as all I care to do is expose them (your antics), and then sit back and watch. Thanks for doing that for me. But you are using lies to make your points, that makes your points completely fabricated and rediclious. Soldiers are people just like you, they have families and love or hate exactly the same way you do. They are not brainwashed zombies that go around killing people. Feel free to personally attack me and derail every post I reply in, accuse me of being you, and cry to punish me for it. I will not be responding in kind anymore. Being as it is the rest of us that are trying to debate without your personal attacks and lies, I find that amusing. "Legal and Illegal" depends on who has the bigger gun. To me, there is no "legal" way to intentionally take the life of another human being and I think Jesus would agree with me. Wouldn't you? How do they differ? Excellent topic.... As if you cared. You have no idea what Jesus tought because you already said you do not believe in God. All you want to do is feed your anti-American agenda. Is that the only way to serve your country? I serve my country, and the world, as well as every individual in it the best I can. Perhaps you are not understanding what you are defending. I understand better than someone too scared to do anything but attack thise that make his freedom possible. You sit behind your computer screen attacking everything but you refuse to do more than bust your gums. You are all talk, not action. Where did I lie? It is my belief. Again, you refuse to admit your lies. You are a waste of air if you cannot even admit when you are wrong.
wez Posted November 23, 2007 Author Posted November 23, 2007 And you know that I am mad how exactly? I spent 20 years with an abusive, angry woman. You are not capable of making me mad. Then what are you? Maybe you put a lot of importance on this pretend world to the point it creats those kinds of emotions in you if someone says something you don't like or agree with but I do not. I can point out how pathetic you are with your need to make stuff up to make your possitions sound better without even a shread of emotion, like a doctor cutting away at cancer. You're still stuck on something I said a month ago. And yet your every post is filled with lies, anger, calloing people names, personal attacks, and childish games, obviously you do "need" to use these things because you have no facts to back your preset agenda. What is my preset agenda? But you are using lies to make your points, that makes your points completely fabricated and rediclious. Soldiers are people just like you, they have families and love or hate exactly the same way you do. They are not brainwashed zombies that go around killing people. Where did I lie? I didn't say that's what soldiers are, you did. Soldiers are mainly good, young, highly impressionable people just starting out in life. Some places they are barely a teen. Some, single digits in age. I have nothing but love for the soldiers of the world. Being as it is the rest of us that are trying to debate without your personal attacks and lies, I find that amusing. What's the debate? As if you cared. What are the legal and illegal ways to kill another human being? You have no idea what Jesus tought because you already said you do not believe in God. Where have I ever said that, to deny God, is to deny myself. What are you talking about? All you want to do is feed your anti-American agenda. Is God American? I understand better than someone too scared to do anything but attack thise that make his freedom possible. You sit behind your computer screen attacking everything but you refuse to do more than bust your gums. What do you suggest? Thou shalt kill is out of the question. You are all talk, not action. What do you suggest? Thou shalt kill is out of the question. Again, you refuse to admit your lies. What lies would those be, I never said soldiers were what you said they are. You are a waste of air if you cannot even admit when you are wrong. Why do you speak to me? Did you apologize to Jhony? 1
ImWithStupid Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 But you are using lies to make your points, that makes your points completely fabricated and rediclious. Soldiers are people just like you, they have families and love or hate exactly the same way you do. They are not brainwashed zombies that go around killing people. Where did I lie? I didn't say that's what soldiers are, you did. Soldiers are mainly good, young, highly impressionable people just starting out in life. Some places they are barely a teen. Some, single digits in age. I have nothing but love for the soldiers of the world. I'm not saying anyone lied, but in the thread about Liberating Burma, you did elude to the fact that you think soldiers are mindless, cold blooded killers. One of the armies first main objective is to strip an individuals identity and teach them how to be a cold blooded killer, void of emotion so they may perform on the field of battle and follow orders. The army is all about orders. Unquestioned orders. No thanks, I cherish my free will and don't believe in killing people. Off Topic Forum - The Ultimate Chat and Debate Forum - View Single Post - Hey, why don't we "LIBERATE" Burma?
wez Posted November 24, 2007 Author Posted November 24, 2007 I'm not saying anyone lied, but in the thread about Liberating Burma, you did elude to the fact that you think soldiers are mindless, cold blooded killers. I can point out how pathetic you are with your need to make stuff up to make your possitions sound better without even a shread of emotion, like a doctor cutting away at cancer Without a shred of emotion like a brainwashed, cold blooded killer? If one is void of emotion, they are dead.. emotions are ever present.. When they are surpressed, anger fills the void.
timesjoke Posted November 26, 2007 Posted November 26, 2007 I'm not saying anyone lied, but in the thread about Liberating Burma, you did elude to the fact that you think soldiers are mindless, cold blooded killers. And he again refuse to admit what he said was pure lie. Wez, I pointed out the "first" time I noticed you made up stuff and even now you don't have the ability to admit you lied. You do this all the time, you rant and rave about things you know nothing about and when you get called out for them, you start with the personal attacks. By the way, anger is an emotion, that is why emotion based comments are almost always wrong.
wez Posted November 26, 2007 Author Posted November 26, 2007 I'm not saying anyone lied, but in the thread about Liberating Burma, you did elude to the fact that you think soldiers are mindless, cold blooded killers. And he again refuse to admit what he said was pure lie. Wez, I pointed out the "first" time I noticed you made up stuff and even now you don't have the ability to admit you lied. You do this all the time, you rant and rave about things you know nothing about and when you get called out for them, you start with the personal attacks. By the way, anger is an emotion, that is why emotion based comments are almost always wrong. Preview your posts before submitting please. 1
snafu Posted November 26, 2007 Posted November 26, 2007 wez?s is right in a warped sort of way. In boot camp you are torn down. Your individuality is taken from you. You are humiliated and conditioned and built up to obey orders. I was humiliated by being made to be a dying roach, flailing on the ground. And another time by running through another companies formation yelling ?I ed up, I ed up? because I was caught with my thumb in the wrong place on my piece (rifle). But as you go through this and you are becoming more conformed you find a pride and an understanding of why this had to occur. I challenge anybody that?s been in boot camp to deny this. In the Navy we weren?t taught to kill per say but rather to defend ourselves. Not much training in the killing department. But I?m sure that?s a different story in the Army and Marines. You are taught to kill proficiently. Now here?s where the warped part of wez?s thinking comes in. Nobody is ever taught to kill in cold blood! Not in any armed forces. A combatant can not be killed in cold blood unless he has been captured and then done so. Our troops are trained to obey orders but are also trained to understand what a unlawful order is. "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
wez Posted November 26, 2007 Author Posted November 26, 2007 wez?s is right in a warped sort of way. In boot camp you are torn down. Your individuality is taken from you. You are humiliated and conditioned and built up to obey orders. I was humiliated by being made to be a dying roach, flailing on the ground. And another time by running through another companies formation yelling ?I ed up, I ed up? because I was caught with my thumb in the wrong place on my piece (rifle). But as you go through this and you are becoming more conformed you find a pride and an understanding of why this had to occur. I challenge anybody that?s been in boot camp to deny this. In the Navy we weren?t taught to kill per say but rather to defend ourselves. Not much training in the killing department. But I?m sure that?s a different story in the Army and Marines. You are taught to kill proficiently. Now here?s where the warped part of wez?s thinking comes in. Nobody is ever taught to kill in cold blood! Not in any armed forces. A combatant can not be killed in cold blood unless he has been captured and then done so. Our troops are trained to obey orders but are also trained to understand what a unlawful order is. I understand that Snaf.. and so did the SS men of Nazi Germany. 1
timesjoke Posted November 26, 2007 Posted November 26, 2007 wez?s is right in a warped sort of way. No, he is completely wrong, his statements are about soldiers in the field being cold blooded killers, not what the "beginning" of a soldiers training is like. In boot camp you are torn down. Your individuality is taken from you. You are humiliated and conditioned and built up to obey orders. I was humiliated by being made to be a dying roach, flailing on the ground. And another time by running through another companies formation yelling ?I ed up, I ed up? because I was caught with my thumb in the wrong place on my piece (rifle). But as you go through this and you are becoming more conformed you find a pride and an understanding of why this had to occur. I challenge anybody that?s been in boot camp to deny this. For some this is true, mostly for the weaker types but I never experienced this myself. The true point of the first two weeks of bootcamp is to get your attention, for some they need to break you down because that is the only way to get that attention, for others, we knew what was wanted right away and never had any real issue with a drill instructor. By the time they get to the final couple weeks of basic training, new soldiers are anything but zombies, they are working as a team and making the decisions for most of their actions based on given objectives. And still doing lots of PT (physical training), lol. In the Navy we weren?t taught to kill per say but rather to defend ourselves. Not much training in the killing department. But I?m sure that?s a different story in the Army and Marines. You are taught to kill proficiently. Now here?s where the warped part of wez?s thinking comes in. Nobody is ever taught to kill in cold blood! Not in any armed forces. A combatant can not be killed in cold blood unless he has been captured and then done so. Our troops are trained to obey orders but are also trained to understand what a unlawful order is. Now you get into Wez's problem with the lie he told. He says all combat soldiers are blind killers, just zombies out killing without any thought except to do as they are told. Anyone that has served in the military is insulted by such a stupid lie. Soldiers are very well trained to not just learn how to use weapons well but to know "when" to use them including the rules of engement.
wez Posted November 26, 2007 Author Posted November 26, 2007 Snaf didn't even say what you quoted him as saying..Then you insult him and label him "weaker type".. Sir, you are f cked in the head. Pardon me.. he did say that at the top.. thanks Snaf. My mistake TJ.. sorry. But still f cked in the head, you are. 1
timesjoke Posted November 26, 2007 Posted November 26, 2007 Snaf didn't even say what you quoted him as saying..Then you insult him and label him "weaker type".. Sir, you are f cked in the head. Pardon me.. he did say that at the top.. thanks Snaf. My mistake TJ.. sorry. But still f cked in the head, you are. Being as you keep making mistakes like this, maybe it is not me that has issues with my head. Obviously you are wrong about what you said about soldiers, when are you going to admit you lied?
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