The debate over TJ's debate skills...

[wez]

That's cool, because no one saw me tossing around my "admin power" in regards to you either.

 

Obviously, bb did, didn't she?

 

 

It is the exact same thing.

 

You think TJ is being picked on by a mod, and it's justified because you don't care for him.

 

You thought I was picking on you as a mod, and it wasn't justified because you like you.

 

Feel free to remove your head from your ass at anytime. It would probably make it easier to breathe...

 

 

I think what I think or I think what you think I think? I think you should shut the hell up and tend to yourself.

 

 

That's just it wez, and you have never gotten it.

 

You didn't do anything to me. My stance towards you at thejungle was nothing personal at all. You were little more than a hemorrhoid on my ass. But, as a mod, I was responsible for keeping things running smoothly, and you just wouldn't cooperate and kept picking fights and frankly, annoying the hell out of the majority of the members. (kinda like you do here, hmmmm)

 

The other mods and I had members come to us and threaten to not come back unless we did something about your constant annoyances. No one enjoys being somewhere where they are constantly being harassed.

 

I tried multiple times to be nice and help you to see the error of your ways, and you refused. So I banned you. Then BB banned you. Then MK banned you. Then Merc banned you. In between those times you were let back on, and just proved that you would never change.

 

Now, do you have to change? Nope, not at all. But no one has to let you be a member of that board either..

 

That was the fantasy you had before I was invited back and you destroyed your friendship with bb because you are a control freak. Time to revise it to reality.

 

And actually eddo, it was you I annoyed, who in turn annoyed the living piss out of your own website with your anger and smoothly put it all on me and of course people you've hung with online for 7 years will choose you when you force them to make that choice. "If you like them, I don't like you".. I don't do that to my "friends".. dipsh t. Although, control freaks cannot help themselves, so I forgive you..

 

You did the exact same thing to Jason Jones.. Sixes. And that is where your sore.. I stuck up for him and made you look like an ass on more than one occasion.. By merely telling the truth.

 

You were f cking trying to decide who everyone should like and dislike, and making the choices for them, without even knowing it. Insecure people who need constant validation never do..

 

I was a 36 year old man who came online to a chatroom for the first time looking for good conservation.. What you think I am or what motivated me, is in your head, not mine. I love people.. everybody. Even the f cked up psycho's like you eddo.. I lived with one for 20 years, and still love her too..

[ImWithStupid]

Your right Jhony, but being as Wez is considered the reasonable one and I am getting veiled threats of being banned, maybe this is what some want the forum to truly be.

 

Gee TJ, whoever are you talking about? How about you tell everyone the truth and admit that I flat out told you I had no intention of banning you and said you bring a lot of positives to the forum.

 

Hey, I can rumble with the best of them, but I am starting to understand that while you and a few others debate from your desire to be honest, Wez and a certain moderator only post for antoginistic reasons.

 

So it's ok for you to brag about sticking up for what you believe, but if someone disagrees with you it's for, "antagonistic reasons".

 

 

This is why you and me can seem to be at each other's throats in one thread and getting along like best friends in another thread. We can completely seperate ourselves, others cannot. Hell, I am in pm's with the mod who is pissed off at me now and he even tossed the oppression thread at my face, saying I was wrong because I refused to back down to everyone who did not agree with me.

 

Wow more lies. I never said you were wrong because you refused to back down. I said it seems that no matter how much proof or research someone submits in a debate, if you don't agree with it, you are either unwilling or unable to concede that there may be another view outside of your own belief system. You reject everyone else's opinion as wrong even if it's given as an opinion. I'm sorry but my definition of opinion is that it can't be wrong. It's an opinion.

 

As for being in PM's with this mean Mod. You PM'd me not the other way around. I gave my opinion, now you're trying to stir up sentiment by twisting what I said, as you always do.

 

This is getting much like GF. Zero moderation. These "debate over so-and-so" threads are unhealthy and most likely isn't very attractive to perspective members.

 

yeah, but at least they are in the free for all section.

 

Like eddo said, when this stuff started, I asked them to take it to this forum and keep it out of the serious debates as it detracts from the debate and the prospective members opinion.

 

I was going to say something about the "murderer" labels that people were throwing around on the abortion thread, but I decided that since in some peoples opinion, someone who participates in abortion, is a murderer, and it did pertain to the debate at hand, I left it alone, but made sure to keep up with that topic the best I could so it didn't get out of hand. Like adding a bunch of adjectives in front of the label of murderer.

[wez]

Originally Posted by eddo

yeah, but at least they are in the free for all section.

 

Don't you mean "we", dipsh t? You are smooth as silk.. Overlord eddo..

 

Or did I drag you in here again? Wake up, eddo.. this is getting very old.

 

I really see no point in talking to you anymore. You carry your chip me for never doing anything to you, I'll forgive you for interferring in every online relationship I've ever had, especially with Atlantic, and pretend you don't exist.. If you ever want to act like a normal human being and focus on truth rather than your fantasies, let me know..

[timesjoke]

Gee TJ, whoever are you talking about? How about you tell everyone the truth and admit that I flat out told you I had no intention of banning you and said you bring a lot of positives to the forum.

 

Then why even use the word, you see, this is the problem, it is called a veiled threat for a reason, you only hint at the banning if I do not do what you want, otherwise, there would be no reason to even talk about banning.

 

 

So it's ok for you to brag about sticking up for what you believe, but if someone disagrees with you it's for, "antagonistic reasons".

 

No, by bring your anger to every discussion it is indicative you are just upset and looking to get into a fight, I don't know if this is your way of getting someone to give a good reason to get banned or not, but I do notice that even though Wez does ten times more of what your "claiming" I do, and you never take this hard line with him, obviously your reasons are lies, your making this personal.

 

 

 

Wow more lies. I never said you were wrong because you refused to back down. I said it seems that no matter how much proof or research someone submits in a debate, if you don't agree with it, you are either unwilling or unable to concede that there may be another view outside of your own belief system. You reject everyone else's opinion as wrong even if it's given as an opinion. I'm sorry but my definition of opinion is that it can't be wrong. It's an opinion.

 

And exactly what proof was offered in the oppression thread that I ignored?

 

You don't even rremember the discussion, but I do without even looking at it because when I talk about things, I take the time to be sure of what I am saying and why. The oppression thread was about opinions, and in my opinion, naming everything oppression removes the ability to seperate things. We have millions of words, but everyone must have the most powerful word and as such, degrade the meaning of it. This was my point, but you could not allow the concept that I am entitled to my own opinion on the subject, I did not conform to your idea of what I should believe so your upset at me.

 

 

As for being in PM's with this mean Mod. You PM'd me not the other way around. I gave my opinion, now you're trying to stir up sentiment by twisting what I said, as you always do.

 

Interesting Wez knew exactly what mod I was talking to, do you clear all your actions through him or just this one?

 

I pm'd you to try and understand why you would toss words like banning around so carelessly, now I understand.

 

 

 

Like eddo said, when this stuff started, I asked them to take it to this forum and keep it out of the serious debates as it detracts from the debate and the prospective members opinion.

 

I was going to say something about the "murderer" labels that people were throwing around on the abortion thread, but I decided that since in some peoples opinion, someone who participates in abortion, is a murderer, and it did pertain to the debate at hand, I left it alone, but made sure to keep up with that topic the best I could so it didn't get out of hand. Like adding a bunch of adjectives in front of the label of murderer.

 

Being as Wez uses profanity in every thread he is involved in, including this one, it would be difficult for you to say much to others. If your going to be consistant, you now have to allow everyone the same freedom to be rediclious as you have given Wez.

 

 

 

As I told you in PM. I was looking for a new group to debate with when I found this place, if your trying to run me off with your double standards, just say it out loud and I am gone, I don't need this level of childish game playing by moderators in my life.

[wez]

Then why even use the word, you see, this is the problem, it is called a veiled threat for a reason, you only hint at the banning if I do not do what you want, otherwise, there would be no reason to even talk about banning.

 

 

 

 

No, by bring your anger to every discussion it is indicative you are just upset and looking to get into a fight, I don't know if this is your way of getting someone to give a good reason to get banned or not, but I do notice that even though Wez does ten times more of what your "claiming" I do, and you never take this hard line with him, obviously your reasons are lies, your making this personal.

 

 

 

 

 

And exactly what proof was offered in the oppression thread that I ignored?

 

You don't even rremember the discussion, but I do without even looking at it because when I talk about things, I take the time to be sure of what I am saying and why. The oppression thread was about opinions, and in my opinion, naming everything oppression removes the ability to seperate things. We have millions of words, but everyone must have the most powerful word and as such, degrade the meaning of it. This was my point, but you could not allow the concept that I am entitled to my own opinion on the subject, I did not conform to your idea of what I should believe so your upset at me.

 

 

 

 

Interesting Wez knew exactly what mod I was talking to, do you clear all your actions through him or just this one?

 

I pm'd you to try and understand why you would toss words like banning around so carelessly, now I understand.

 

 

 

 

 

Being as Wez uses profanity in every thread he is involved in, including this one, it would be difficult for you to say much to others. If your going to be consistant, you now have to allow everyone the same freedom to be rediclious as you have given Wez.

 

 

 

As I told you in PM. I was looking for a new group to debate with when I found this place, if your trying to run me off with your double standards, just say it out loud and I am gone, I don't need this level of childish game playing by moderators in my life.

 

 

Insanity, look it up...

 

Are there any other moderaters, idiot? I've watched you do the same to I.W.S. as you do to me, and watched him tell you the same thing.. I've never exchanged a PM with IWS nor have we ever spoken a word to one another concerning you, paranoid schizophrenic hypocritical control freak who whines and complains and throws angry tantrums in every thread he posts in as he claims it's another. WTF? Hahahahahahahahaha.. it's too crazy to not be funny..

 

 

Appears you can dish, but have a problem taking.. As a wise man and a hypocritical idiot once said, grow up.

 

By the way, the first talk of banning I saw on this site was you directed at me, soon to form a posse of 3 "suggesting" the same thing, or else "prominant" members may leave.. Hahahahahahaha

 

Mirror, mirror on the wall ...

[ImWithStupid]

You could always post our PM's and let other's decide. I don't have a problem with it.

[timesjoke]

Insanity, look it up...

 

Are there any other moderaters, idiot? I've watched you do the same to I.W.S. as you do to me, and watched him tell you the same thing.. I've never exchanged a PM with IWS nor have we ever spoken a word to one another concerning you, paranoid schizophrenic hypocritical control freak who whines and complains and throws angry tantrums in every thread he posts in as he claims it's another. WTF? Hahahahahahahahaha.. it's too crazy to not be funny..

 

 

Appears you can dish, but have a problem taking.. As a wise man and a hypocritical idiot once said, grow up.

 

Why is it you feel compelled to insert yourself between me and everyone else Wez?

 

Your the most rediclious person on this forum, you lie and create trouble almost every day but somehow you get a pass, I will be honest, I am truly at a loss of why your allowed to spout profanith all over the forum and if I just dissagree with IWS, he tossed words like banning around as sideways threats.

 

Your a complete waste of air Wez.

[wez]

Why is it you feel compelled to insert yourself between me and everyone else Wez?

 

Your the most rediclious person on this forum, you lie and create trouble almost every day but somehow you get a pass, I will be honest, I am truly at a loss of why your allowed to spout profanith all over the forum and if I just dissagree with IWS, he tossed words like banning around as sideways threats.

 

Your a complete waste of air Wez.

 

My god.. where do these people come from? I realize I must set myself up for it some how.. Perhaps to expose it, I'm good at it. Look in the f cking mirror, idiot..

 

Now you're f cking moping around like everyone is attacking and ganging up on you for no reason.. Waaaaaaaa.. poor TJ. Yet, you act like you have this valid reason to be pissed at people on a constant basis.. you're pissed at yourself. It'd be in your best interest to find out why and do something about it.

[timesjoke]

You could always post our PM's and let other's decide. I don't have a problem with it.

 

 

You are too careful to openly do anything, but like a cop putting his hand on his gun, the threat is there, even if the gun is never pulled.

 

There was no reason to even mention banning, your mentioning it is like the cop with his hand on the gun. Clearly you are playing games.

 

 

Again, you have no credibility and you want me to pay for your lack, fine, I already told you that I am gone if your man enough to stop playing games and just come out and say it. If you truly wanted to help the forum, you would deal with Wez, being as your even encouraging him to act up, your true motives are clear.

[eddo]

I think you should shut the hell up and tend to yourself.

Back at cha.

 

 

 

And actually eddo, it was you I annoyed, who in turn annoyed the living piss out of your own website with your anger and smoothly put it all on me and of course people you've hung with online for 7 years will choose you when you force them to make that choice. "If you like them, I don't like you"..

You couldn't be more wrong.

but I don't expect you to understand or even care about the truth, so whatever you want to believe is fine by me.

 

You did the exact same thing to Jason Jones.. Sixes. And that is where your sore.. I stuck up for him and made you look like an ass on more than one occasion.. By merely telling the truth

Wrong again. Jason showed up being an ass. threatening members, telling everyone he worked for microsoft, threatening to send everyone viruses, all kinds of crap.

That dude is lucky I never called the cops on him.

 

You were f cking trying to decide who everyone should like and dislike, and making the choices for them, without even knowing it. Insecure people who need constant validation never do..[/QUOTe]

Guess what? Wrong again. Why should I give a rats ass about who you are friends with?

 

 

What you think I am or what motivated me, is in your head, not mine.

Again, pot, meet kettle...

 

I love people.. everybody. Even the f cked up psycho's like you eddo.. I lived with one for 20 years, and still love her too..

I think you mean "she lived with one for 20 years...

 

Don't you mean "we", dipsh t?

No, I meant "they." as in:

 

The debate over wez's debate skills

The debate over TJ's debate skills

The debate over eddo's debate skills

The debate over Brotherman's debate skills

[wez]

You didn't care who I was friends with, you cared who your "friends" were friends with and decided for them, or else.

 

Like I said, sixes threatening to sell your site to the mormons was, and prolly still is the f cking funniest thing I've ever seen. Hahahahaha

 

By the way, you more than deserved it..

[eddo]

You didn't care who I was friends with, you cared who your "friends" were friends with and decided for them, or else.

 

or else what? What power do you think I hold over my friends?

[wez]

or else what? What power do you think I hold over my friends?

 

Manipulating them by dragging them into your personal feelings about others. Talking behind peoples backs and spouting lies, slander, and hypocrisy all over the www until they agree with you. Spreading your anger to others like a disease. Trying to send them on guilt trips to make decisions you would like them to make concerning others. Then, you played dumb and became defensive when bb was trying to talk to you and help you see clearly the error of your ways, forcing her to basically turn her back on you or continue to be subjected to your mind games.. She made the right choice. people, such as yourself, prey on good, forgiving, people pleasers. They can smell the blood.. I should know, I'm getting better at not being a people pleaser, thanks to teach.

[eddo]

Manipulating them by dragging them into your personal feelings about others. Talking behind peoples backs and spouting lies, slander, and hypocrisy all over the www until they agree with you. Spreading your anger to others like a disease. Trying to send them on guilt trips to make decisions you would like them to make concerning others. Then, you played dumb and became defensive when bb was trying to talk to you and help you see clearly the error of your ways, forcing her to basically turn her back on you or continue to be subjected to your mind games.. She made the right choice. people, such as yourself, prey on good, forgiving, people pleasers. They can smell the blood.. I should know, I'm getting better at not being a people pleaser, thanks to teach.

 

What you think I am or what motivated me, is in your head, not mine.

[wez]

What you think I am or what motivated me, is in your head, not mine.

 

What you did, was in reality. What motivated you? I'll guess jealousy...

 

Never did like little wezzie covorting with the women of the jungle, did you eddo? Specially bb.. you owned her. And Aery too...sh t, all of em for that matter.. Idiot.

 

Eddo, I understand.. I forgive you.. Now if you give me the same choice as you gave bb.. I'll make the same one. It's up to you..

[eddo]

What you think I am or what motivated me, is in your head, not mine.

 

 

Why do you think you have me figured out, based solely on the words of the screen, but don't think anyone else can have you figured out from your words on that same screen?

 

 

as for the women:

I had no problem with you and Atlantic getting together. in fact, I think you two are perfect for each other...

 

You apparetnly screwed that one up though. Don't understand why you feel the need to try to blame me for it, but if it helps ya sleep better tonight, then have at it.

[wez]

What you think I am or what motivated me, is in your head, not mine.

 

 

Why do you think you have me figured out, based solely on the words of the screen, but don't think anyone else can have you figured out from your words on that same screen?

 

 

as for the women:

I had no problem with you and Atlantic getting together. in fact, I think you two are perfect for each other...

 

You apparetnly screwed that one up though. Don't understand why you feel the need to try to blame me for it, but if it helps ya sleep better tonight, then have at it.

 

 

I know what I know, and you know I'm right.

 

Why were you constantly in the middle of me and Atlantic? Yeah, I blame you because you are such a huge factor in my life.. You know the problem.. I've told you over a thousand times.

 

It wasn't me and Atlantic actually getting together and meeting.. it was me even talking to bb, Aery, merc, Ali, blah, blah blah, that you couldn't stand. Admit it. I'll tell ya though bud.. not the best way to get a date and lose the virginity.

[eddo]

Look in the f cking mirror, idiot..

 

It'd be in your best interest to find out why and do something about it.

 

By the way, you more than deserved it..

 

Idiot.

 

I forgive you..

...

It's up to you..

 

I proved you a liar, and a hypocrite, and a narcissist.

 

 

Stop embarrassing yourself and act like a man.

 

Shut the hell up, hypocrite. And open your eyes.

 

TJ is a dumbass.

 

Maybe you should shut the hell up

 

It's not a popularity contest, so quit trying to make it one.

 

Who's that, hypocrite?

 

Don't you mean "we", dipsh t?

 

If you ever want to act like a normal human being and focus on truth rather than your fantasies, let me know..

 

So.. uhh, remind me- Who is the controlling and manipulative one here?

[wez]

So.. uhh, remind me- Who is the controlling and manipulative one here?

 

 

Yourself and TJ

 

 

Good God eddo, to this day I can't even talk to and kid around with Firey and CBG on the f cking jungle quiz without you sticking your head in the middle of it. Find a new obsession, asshole.

[eddo]

Yourself and TJ

 

Wrong again.

 

 

 

Good God eddo, to this day I can't even talk to and kid around with Firey and CBG on the f cking jungle quiz without you sticking your head in the middle of it. Find a new obsession, asshole.

 

Maybe your kidding around isn't viewed as such by others. but what do I know

[wez]

Wrong again.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe your kidding around isn't viewed as such by others. but what do I know

 

You know what I say is truth.

[eddo]

You know what I say is truth.

 

it may be truth to you, but that doesn't make it TRUTH for everyone else.

 

You're wrong. Plain and simple. You think you have an idea what goes on, and you are wrong. It's cool to know that you got yourself out of a 20+year abusive relationship, but that doesn't mean that everyone else in the world has an agenda against you.

[wez]

it may be truth to you, but that doesn't make it TRUTH for everyone else.

 

You're wrong. Plain and simple. You think you have an idea what goes on, and you are wrong. It's cool to know that you got yourself out of a 20+year abusive relationship, but that doesn't mean that everyone else in the world has an agenda against you.

 

Not everyone of course, but you do.. And by your own mouth, I've never done a thing to you.. You've done plenty to me, any one which, would not be acceptable for me to do to you, that's why I don't, idiot. You hate me for what you've done to me? Or maybe you hate me for showing you and others what you've done?

[eddo]

Not everyone of course, but you do.. And by your own mouth, I've never done a thing to you.. You've done plenty to me, any one which, would not be acceptable for me to do to you, that's why I don't, idiot. You hate me for what you've done to me? Or maybe you hate me for showing you and others what you've done?

 

that would be a "no" on all counts.

 

and who hates who? Who keeps calling who names?

 

 

 

mirror time anyone?

[wez]

that would be a "no" on all counts.

 

and who hates who? Who keeps calling who names?

 

 

 

mirror time anyone?

 

 

If I could retrieve my PM's at the Jungle, you said you didn't like me and would ban me here if you could after I joined GF when you were licking OVERASSHOLES ass.

 

Then "allow" me to join after completing a bet with Ali, then you box me for "kissing phreaks ass", a week after telling me you didn't like me because of my attacking of phreak.. Yeah, that makes sense..

 

I think you make it quite clear that you don't like me.. I don't care and you seem to think that not only I, but everyone else should care so much as you as to not like me as well.. just as you've always done.

 

Don't worry, there's always TJ to seek validation from. You'll not get it from me. Hahahahahaha