What are the legal and illegal ways to intentionally kill another human being?

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"Get the law over here quick. I've now, get, one of them's in the front yard over there, he's down, he almost run down the street. I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man, I had no choice! ... Get somebody over here quick, man."

 

It is quite clear that if cops were there hero Joe did not see them. He did what he had to do to protect his neighbors property. Perfectly legal in a state that respects the rights of decent citizens over the rights of criminals.

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It is quite clear that if cops were there hero Joe did not see them. He did what he had to do to protect his neighbors property. Perfectly legal in a state that respects the rights of decent citizens over the rights of criminals.

 

He didn't do what he had to do. He did what he CHOSE TO DO, against the advise and repeated request, of a law enforcement agency. I also think that he is full of crap about being asked to protect his neighbors property (another requirement under Texas law for protection of third party property). He states clearly on the phone that he doesn't really know this neighbor.

 

Let's just look at this ridiculous "protection of property law"...

 

? 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY. A person

is justified in using force or deadly force against another to

protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if,

under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the

actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force

or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful

interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or

criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property

 

So what you said is that, if some kid is smashing a lawn ornament in your neighbors yard, he should be shot and killed.

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He didn't do what he had to do. He did what he CHOSE TO DO, against the advise and repeated request, of a law enforcement agency. I also think that he is full of crap about being asked to protect his neighbors property (another requirement under Texas law for protection of third party property). He states clearly on the phone that he doesn't really know this neighbor.

 

Let's just look at this ridiculous "protection of property law"...

 

 

So what you said is that, if some kid is smashing a lawn ornament in your neighbors yard, he should be shot and killed.

 

The kid can be legally killed. Face it, the kid is a bad seed. Whether he should be killed is up to the gunowner. Actually, the actor can only use reasonable force. PROBABLY CANNOT LEGALLY BLOW AWAY A ROTTEN 6 YEAR OLD.

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The kid can be legally killed. Face it, the kid is a bad seed. Whether he should be killed is up to the gunowner. Actually, the actor can only use reasonable force. PROBABLY CANNOT LEGALLY BLOW AWAY A ROTTEN 6 YEAR OLD.

A 6 year old smashing a lawn ornament is a crime worthy of death?

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A 6 year old smashing a lawn ornament is a crime worthy of death?

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Hahahahaha... God help us.

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I see no point, in modern times, where there is reason to kill in defense of property. I should be able to kill you because you are stealing my tv? I don't think so.

 

And how would you know that the guy had broken in to steal your TV? In one hand he has a lever, in the other a screwdriver. Both of which can be used to break in AND to kill.

 

In the twinkling of an eye you must make a decision. And don't think you can reason with the jerk. He's probably been sniffing butane or something. And if you fall, your wife and children are next....

 

I hope its never your turn. Believe me, the meek get to inherit all

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A 6 year old smashing a lawn ornament is a crime worthy of death?

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The law only allows reasonable force. The old man had a perfect right to shoot the two men. Shooting a rotten six year old would be a crime even here in Texas.

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The law only allows reasonable force. The old man had a perfect right to shoot the two men. Shooting a rotten six year old would be a crime even here in Texas.

 

Glad I didn't ever trash your lawn ornaments when I was a kid...... Hahahahahaha

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Glad I didn't ever trash your lawn ornaments when I was a kid...... Hahahahahaha

 

My pink flamingos were given to me by my dear departed grandmother. They have great sentimental value.

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Let me say something from living in Pasadena for 15 years. Pasadena is known as a redneck town. I had a couple black friends who would turn down going to my barbeques because they did not want to be in the Pasadena city limits. Them idiots burglarizing a home in Pasadena were asking for it. Furthermore, the Pasadena police force basically consists of those rejected by the Houston Police Departmen. No one has any confidence in them. Joe did right.

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Let me say something from living in Pasadena for 15 years. Pasadena is known as a redneck town. I had a couple black friends who would turn down going to my barbeques because they did not want to be in the Pasadena city limits. Them idiots burglarizing a home in Pasadena were asking for it. Furthermore, the Pasadena police force basically consists of those rejected by the Houston Police Departmen. No one has any confidence in them. Joe did right.

 

 

I think Joe should have not killed them as what Joe did far surpasses anything the two people he killed did. Joe should go to prison for murder. Sometimes people will set up their own house to be robbed to scam insurance... How did he know what the hell he was doing? In either case, that's why people have insurance.. Joe should have tried to stop it another way if he felt the need..

 

Hero Joe is a dumbass. Hahahaha

 

They should put a warning on egg cartons in Texas... "Throwing these at personal property can result in death". Hahahahahaha

[ImWithStupid]

The law only allows reasonable force. The old man had a perfect right to shoot the two men. Shooting a rotten six year old would be a crime even here in Texas.

 

But in Texas, if the rotten 6 year-old, who was smashing the lawn ornament, with a baseball bat, was confronted and he, held that bat in a threatening manner at the full grown adult, then he should be shot and killed, right?

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But in Texas, if the rotten 6 year-old, who was smashing the lawn ornament, with a baseball bat, was confronted and he, held that bat in a threatening manner at the full grown adult, then he should be shot and killed, right?

 

If that is the force neccesary he could be legally shot . I seriously doubt it would be. It would be tough to convince a jury that was the force required. I suggest parents raise their children to respect the rights of others. Any six year old who waves a bat at people will probably end up a serial killer.

 

What y'all need to understand is a jury will decide these cases. Most likely they are unlikely to let people walk who kill six year old vandals. Even if the little bastard deserves it.

 

This is no different from self-defense laws. If that little six year old bastard kicks you in the shins you probably cannot LEGALLY pull out your 45 and shoot him.

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I just think it's quite sad that we value things more life itself.. there's plenty of things to go around.. Plus, everyones gonna die. Things = sh t.

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If that is the force neccesary he could be legally shot . I seriously doubt it would be. It would be tough to convince a jury that was the force required. I suggest parents raise their children to respect the rights of others. Any six year old who waves a bat at people will probably end up a serial killer.

 

What y'all need to understand is a jury will decide these cases. Most likely they are unlikely to let people walk who kill six year old vandals. Even if the little bastard deserves it.

 

This is no different from self-defense laws. If that little six year old bastard kicks you in the shins you probably cannot LEGALLY pull out your 45 and shoot him.

 

The way the law reads, you don't even need to be threatened to protect your property and you can use lethal force.

 

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the

deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of

arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the

nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

 

 

All you have to do is say that you were stopping him from doing it. No justification necessary. "He's stealing that bike!" BOOM. "Got 'em."

 

In self defense you have to be in fear of your safety. In this defense of property you only have believe that he wouldn't be caught if you didn't.

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The way the law reads, you don't even need to be threatened to protect your property and you can use lethal force.

 

 

 

All you have to do is say that you were stopping him from doing it. No justification necessary. "He's stealing that bike!" BOOM. "Got 'em."

 

In self defense you have to be in fear of your safety. In this defense of property you only have believe that he wouldn't be caught if you didn't.

 

Did you happen to read the line above what you marked in red?

 

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the

deadly force is immediately necessary:

 

The key word is reasonably. Yes, you can shoot the thief off your bike. You have a right to protect your property. I realize you have no respect for private property.

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The way the law reads, you don't even need to be threatened to protect your property and you can use lethal force.

 

 

 

All you have to do is say that you were stopping him from doing it. No justification necessary. "He's stealing that bike!" BOOM. "Got 'em."

 

In self defense you have to be in fear of your safety. In this defense of property you only have believe that he wouldn't be caught if you didn't.

 

 

Zero Joe coulda stayed safe and sound in his recliner.. Glad I don't live in Texas..

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Zero Joe coulda stayed safe and sound in his recliner.. Glad I don't live in Texas..

 

That would have made Hero Joe a pussy and a bad neighbor.

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That would have made Hero Joe a pussy and a bad neighbor.

 

 

 

Hahahahahaha.... You crack me up teach.

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Did you happen to read the line above what you marked in red?

 

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the

deadly force is immediately necessary:

 

The key word is reasonably

 

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the

deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of

arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the

nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

 

Read it together so you aren't taking parts out of context. Reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary to prevent the property crime. Not reasonably necessary force.

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They should plan a parade for Zero Joe and name him "neighbor of the year" whilst dragging the corpes through town to set an example for all the would be theives and rotten 6 year olds who vandalize lawn ornaments. Hahahahahahaha

[RegisteredAndEducated]

They should plan a parade for Zero Joe and name him "neighbor of the year" whilst dragging the corpes through town to set an example for all the would be theives and rotten 6 year olds who vandalize lawn ornaments. Hahahahahahaha

 

best idea you've had yet.

 

Joe should have shouted that the robbers should stop. Aside from that, what he did seems perfectly reasonable.

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best idea you've had yet.

 

Joe should have shouted that the robbers should stop. Aside from that, what he did seems perfectly reasonable.

 

 

 

I bet you'd feel differently if it was you that a gun on some would be robbers. I bet you wouldn't shoot them.. Would you?

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best idea you've had yet.

 

Joe should have shouted that the robbers should stop. Aside from that, what he did seems perfectly reasonable.

 

Actually Joe's lawyer is claiming Joe did not say "Boom. You're dead". but "Move. You're dead." I need to listen to the tape again. Governments are formed to protect life and property from external and internal aggressors. Burglars are internal aggressors government should put few limits on what force a citizen can use to prevent a burglary.

 

Support for Horn was also running about 2-1 in an online survey of readers on the KHOU Web site.

 

Just listened to the tape again. It sounds like move not boom. Big difference.

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Actually Joe's lawyer is claiming Joe did not say "Boom. You're dead". but "Move. You're dead." I need to listen to the tape again.

 

When I heard it, I thought he said, "Move. You're dead."