Is it logical to riot?

[timesjoke]

This latest set of riots in Paris

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has gotten me wondering why so many of these young muslims and such turn to riots in Paris.

 

 

Does anyone have some insight to offer?

[wez]

When people are supressed, they fight back eventually. These young men cannot get work and support their families because people such as yourself think they are better than them and prove it through anger, intimidation, and hypocrisy.

[phreakwars]

The trigger for the rioting was the deaths of two teens killed in a crash with a police patrol car on Sunday in Villiers-le-Bel, a town of public housing blocks home to a mix of Arab, black and white residents in Paris' northern suburbs.

 

Residents claimed that officers left the crash scene without helping the teens,Residents claimed that officers left the crash scene without helping the teens,

 

Anymore, it seems every god damn thing sets off the Muslims to riot about some bull or other.

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[timesjoke]

When people are supressed, they fight back eventually. These young men cannot get work and support their families because people such as yourself think they are better than them and prove it through anger, intimidation, and hypocrisy.

 

 

Would you hire people showing a trend to solve their problems with violence?

 

It is not societies responsibility to provide good jobs to anyone. Each person must take responsibility for their own life and if they are having problems finding a job, then do what you need to do to make yourslef a more desirable employee or maybe try different lines of work, do what it takes......

 

 

Don't just sit back and blame everyone else for your problems because that is a dead end street. A victim will always be a victim until they get that idea out of their head and make good things happen, all it takes is a lot of hard work.

 

 

I cannot understand rioting, it just hurts everything they say they are concerned about. When they hurt police and destroy private and city property, they paint themselves as being the problem and society will not feel sorry for them, instead they will side with harsher penalties to be taken against them and on the whole, the people of that region will have a general distrust of those that turn so easily to violence.

 

 

I cannot see the logic, that is why I asked if anyone else could give a logical explanation for this decision being made by the rioters.

[wez]

Would you hire people showing a trend to solve their problems with violence?

 

People like you? No.

 

It is not societies responsibility to provide good jobs to anyone. Each person must take responsibility for their own life and if they are having problems finding a job, then do what you need to do to make yourslef a more desirable employee or maybe try different lines of work, do what it takes......

 

They must leave the discriminatory society or fight back, just like black people have had to do here. They feel powerless, because someone has chosen to make them feel that way through discrimination.

 

 

Don't just sit back and blame everyone else for your problems because that is a dead end street. A victim will always be a victim until they get that idea out of their head and make good things happen, all it takes is a lot of hard work.

 

 

I agree

 

 

I cannot understand rioting, it just hurts everything they say they are concerned about. When they hurt police and destroy private and city property, they paint themselves as being the problem and society will not feel sorry for them, instead they will side with harsher penalties to be taken against them and on the whole, the people of that region will have a general distrust of those that turn so easily to violence.

 

 

So you're against the war in Iraq and see how other people in the world would view our country in the negative light that they do?

 

 

I cannot see the logic, that is why I asked if anyone else could give a logical explanation for this decision being made by the rioters.

 

 

I think it's frustration, no different than the black riots our country has seen, and will see again. When people are frustrated, anything will set them off.

[timesjoke]

People like you? No.

 

Again with your personal attacks. You will never be taken seriously if all you can do is attack people with such rediclious crap.

 

Where have I ever been violent in Paris to be part of this discussion you wacko?

 

They must leave the discriminatory society or fight back, just like black people have had to do here. They feel powerless, because someone has chosen to make them feel that way through discrimination.

 

And yet it was Martin Luther King that made some of the most headway without even a speck of violence so clearly violence does not help in any way.

 

Rioting cannot and will not make the people like the rioters more.

 

 

 

So you're against the war in Iraq and see how other people in the world would view our country in the negative light that they do?

 

What is it with you trying to make everyting about the war in Iraq?

 

Apples and handgrenades you fool.

 

You say the rioters are wanting jobs and they burn buildings and cars, attack people, shoot people, destroy anything they can find all because they think that will get them more jobs?

 

Obviously those with jobs to give will not like to hire people that are violent.

 

I think it's frustration, no different than the black riots our country has seen, and will see again. When people are frustrated, anything will set them off.

 

 

These people are giving themselves a bad name, the blacks in America were discriminated against just for being black. The muslims are being descriminated against because they have proven themselves to be violent and unthankful, two completely seperate things.

[wez]

If you choose to see walls and barriers, apples/oranges to insululate your beliefs and maintain your illusion of superiority, be my guest. All things are related. People are people and the truth is the truth. You are no better than a homeless person in India. You can explain why your better than anyone and prove it through anger, intimidation, violence and hypocrisy to Jesus on your judgment day.

[timesjoke]

If you choose to see walls and barriers, apples/oranges to insululate your beliefs and maintain your illusion of superiority, be my guest. All things are related. People are people and the truth is the truth. You are no better than a homeless person in India. You can explain why your better than anyone and prove it through anger, intimidation, violence and hypocrisy to Jesus on your judgment day.

 

I never said I was better then anyone, but I do believe people should not blame other's for their misfortune. We can all talk of injustice in life but focusing down on what we see as unfair and getting pissed off will get us nowhere in life. In America the latest reports show the least likely person to get a job is a middle aged white male so how about trying to see the truth for a change.

 

 

The only thing stopping someone from being successful is the person him/herself. I like to give Oprah Winfrey as an example of success through hard work because in the time she came to be successful, it was unheard of for a black woman to be accepted in the areas she was accepted. She was abused and grew up relatively poor and went from that to being the richest woman in America in show business, if she can do it anyone can do it and blaming others for holding you back is a complete waste of time.

[wez]

I never said I was better then anyone, but I do believe people should not blame other's for their misfortune. We can all talk of injustice in life but focusing down on what we see as unfair and getting pissed off will get us nowhere in life. In America the latest reports show the least likely person to get a job is a middle aged white male so how about trying to see the truth for a change.

 

 

People thinking they are better than others and proving it through anger, intimidation, violence and hypocrisy are our only problem.

 

Middle age white men are no exception to discrimination.

 

Injustice is caused by people and burying ones head in the sand or trying to put the blame on the discriminated is only going to work for so long.

 

 

The only thing stopping someone from being successful is the person him/herself. I like to give Oprah Winfrey as an example of success through hard work because in the time she came to be successful, it was unheard of for a black woman to be accepted in the areas she was accepted. She was abused and grew up relatively poor and went from that to being the richest woman in America in show business, if she can do it anyone can do it and blaming others for holding you back is a complete waste of time.

 

 

That is not true. And for myself, success is not defined by money. People stop people from being free everywhere, ironically, through money, anger, intimidation, violence, and hypocrisy.

 

If someone says "hey, that isn't fair, you have no right" it does not mean they are seeing themselves as a victim. A victim lays down and takes it and thanks his master for his rags and beatings. You are blaming people for saying, I've had enough, no more.

[timesjoke]

People thinking they are better than others and proving it through anger, intimidation, violence and hypocrisy are our only problem.

 

You mean like rioting, killing and attacking innocent people on the streets of Paris, burning cars and buildings while at the same time they claim they follow a peaceful religion?

 

 

Middle age white men are no exception to discrimination.

 

Who ever said they were?

 

Everyone makes choices in life, any choice of one thing over another, even choosing a coke over a pepsi is descriminating.

 

 

Injustice is caused by people and burying ones head in the sand or trying to put the blame on the discriminated is only going to work for so long.

 

Not if it is the truth.

 

If a man rapes a small child and from that day foward he is treaded differently because he is a child molester, that is his fault and he can only blame himself.

 

The same holds true for these violent racists that are rioting in Paris. They make everyone scared of them and then complain when the same people they are making scared do not trust them enough to give them jobs.

 

 

That is not true. And for myself, success is not defined by money. People stop people from being free everywhere, ironically, through money, anger, intimidation, violence, and hypocrisy.

 

 

It is true, you just want to make excuses for the lazy.

 

You say you are taking college courses, why do that if you don't believe each person must work to improve themselves in this life?

 

Obviously each person is responsible for himself, there are no free rides and if a free ride is all you are wanting, then you will end up like these rioters, making their situation worse by complaining instead of working hard to improve themselves.

 

If someone says "hey, that isn't fair, you have no right" it does not mean they are seeing themselves as a victim. A victim lays down and takes it and thanks his master for his rags and beatings. You are blaming people for saying, I've had enough, no more.

 

Again you are talking about something completely different then this subject.

 

There is nothing wrong with speaking out against things and injustice, that is a good and healthy thing for society but you cannot blame people for being scared of the those that turn to rioting in the streets. That kind of civil unrest will not make employeers feel good about hiring you.

 

In this case I believe it is fair for people to be scared of these people that feel rioting in the streets is a good thing and I do not blame them for not giving them jobs, if it was me I would deport every rioter right then and there, not even wait a day, but that is just me.

[wez]

You mean like rioting, killing and attacking innocent people on the streets of Paris, burning cars and buildings while at the same time they claim they follow a peaceful religion?

 

Take a look at the carnage in Iraq, you say that is right? I say violence is always wrong. Period.

 

 

 

 

Who ever said they were?

 

Everyone makes choices in life, any choice of one thing over another, even choosing a coke over a pepsi is descriminating.

 

People are not pop.

 

 

Not if it is the truth.

 

 

Slavemasters always call slaves what they themselves are, lazy.

 

If a man rapes a small child and from that day foward he is treaded differently because he is a child molester, that is his fault and he can only blame himself.

 

If a group of people rape and suppress, people, they only have themselves to blame.

 

The same holds true for these violent racists that are rioting in Paris. They make everyone scared of them and then complain when the same people they are making scared do not trust them enough to give them jobs.

 

 

How does one peacefully get their master to see the error of their ways? The police and society use violence to suppress them.

 

 

 

It is true, you just want to make excuses for the lazy.

 

 

Lazy people use anger, intimidation, violence and hypocrisy against others to serve on their behalf. They wear suits and ties and live in mansions.

 

 

 

 

You say you are taking college courses, why do that if you don't believe each person must work to improve themselves in this life?

 

Obviously each person is responsible for himself, there are no free rides and if a free ride is all you are wanting, then you will end up like these rioters, making their situation worse by complaining instead of working hard to improve themselves.

 

 

I'm going to be a nurse. The people with the free ride take advantage of others so they don't have to work. Many such folks live on the East Coast of the United States. They are their own worst enemy.

 

 

 

Again you are talking about something completely different then this subject.

 

There is nothing wrong with speaking out against things and injustice, that is a good and healthy thing for society but you cannot blame people for being scared of the those that turn to rioting in the streets. That kind of civil unrest will not make employeers feel good about hiring you.

 

In this case I believe it is fair for people to be scared of these people that feel rioting in the streets is a good thing and I do not blame them for not giving them jobs, if it was me I would deport every rioter right then and there, not even wait a day, but that is just me.

 

 

If they possessed the equipment that the U.S. military has, they could be hero's, right?

[timesjoke]

Take a look at the carnage in Iraq, you say that is right? I say violence is always wrong. Period.

 

Nothing is black and white, all things are shades of grey in the real world. If I used violence to save the life of someone you care about you would not mind me using violence.

 

Looks like things are getting a lot better in Iraq to me and many parts of Iraq are better then the pre-invasion standards.

 

 

Again, you keep trying to make everything about Iraq and it is just silly, there rioters did not do what they did because of Iraq.

 

If you think all violence is wrong then condemn these rioters also instead of making excuses for them.

 

People are not pop.

 

Sure they are, it is about choices and everything is a choice. If someone makes a choice they like coke over pepsi that is a choice, if employeers make a choice to hire non-violent people over violent people, that is a choice.

 

You cannot force people to stop being people, people will always make choices.

 

 

Slavemasters always call slaves what they themselves are, lazy.

 

They are the ones sitting around all day complaining, they are the lazy ones, again if Oprah Winfrey can become the richest woman in show buisness, anyone can overcome adversity if they want to work hard to "earn" it.

 

If a group of people rape and suppress, people, they only have themselves to blame.

 

The same is true if a group of people decide rioting and destroying property, and attacking innocent people, they can only blame themselves for the resulting mistrust society will have in them.

 

How does one peacefully get their master to see the error of their ways? The police and society use violence to suppress them.

 

No they don't, the only violence they are getting is to stop their illegal and harmful rioting. No rioting by them, no violence against them, it is that simple.

 

There is no master, but there are slaves, these people are making themselves slaves to their own lazy attitudes. If they truly want to attack the true reason for their problems they need to attack themselves.

 

 

 

 

Lazy people use anger, intimidation, violence and hypocrisy against others to serve on their behalf. They wear suits and ties and live in mansions.

 

Nope, they are hard working tax payers, they pay for the free services that these leeches are benefitting from and how do these lazy leechers show their appreciation for the free money and services the taxpayers are giving them?

 

They show their appreciation through violence against these same tax payers.

 

 

 

 

I'm going to be a nurse. The people with the free ride take advantage of others so they don't have to work. Many such folks live on the East Coast of the United States. They are their own worst enemy.

 

I have a very good friend that is the head of nursing at a major hospital. She makes very good money but earns every penny because of the load of paperwork she must do every day and the problems/management she handles.

 

There are no free rides in life, if your successful, you worked very hard to be successful, if your not successful, then you earned that as well, you earned it by being lazy.

 

If they possessed the equipment that the U.S. military has, they could be hero's, right?

 

Well, again it took a lot of tax money to purchase that equipment and that takes hard working people to supply that tax money. These lazy people must get past thinking like a victim and start working hard to earn what they get before they can get involved in having the tax base to maintain a military.

[wez]

Nothing is black and white, all things are shades of grey in the real world. If I used violence to save the life of someone you care about you would not mind me using violence.

 

 

Violence is always wrong, period.

 

 

Looks like things are getting a lot better in Iraq to me and many parts of Iraq are better then the pre-invasion standards.

 

"The flames are all long gone but the pain lingers on" ~ Pink Floyd

 

 

Again, you keep trying to make everything about Iraq and it is just silly, there rioters did not do what they did because of Iraq.

 

If you think all violence is wrong then condemn these rioters also instead of making excuses for them.

 

 

You try to keep them seperate to protect your beliefs. Feel free. You judge someone for using violence to break free of oppression but excuse yourself for using violence to oppress.

 

 

 

Sure they are, it is about choices and everything is a choice. If someone makes a choice they like coke over pepsi that is a choice, if employeers make a choice to hire non-violent people over violent people, that is a choice.

 

You cannot force people to stop being people, people will always make choices.

 

 

Since returning Iraqi veterans are violent, they should not be hired?

 

 

 

 

They are the ones sitting around all day complaining, they are the lazy ones, again if Oprah Winfrey can become the richest woman in show buisness, anyone can overcome adversity if they want to work hard to "earn" it.

 

 

Some people don't want to be part of the illusionary money system, and they have no choice as what is necessary for sustaining life is withheld from them to force participation and validation.

 

 

 

The same is true if a group of people decide rioting and destroying property, and attacking innocent people, they can only blame themselves for the resulting mistrust society will have in them.

 

Do you really want that for your son?

 

 

 

No they don't, the only violence they are getting is to stop their illegal and harmful rioting. No rioting by them, no violence against them, it is that simple.

 

There is no master, but there are slaves, these people are making themselves slaves to their own lazy attitudes. If they truly want to attack the true reason for their problems they need to attack themselves.

 

 

They need to attack those who withold what they need to sustain life so they can feel better about themselves.

 

 

Some sick people cannot be "happy" unless someone else is suffering.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope, they are hard working tax payers, they pay for the free services that these leeches are benefitting from and how do these lazy leechers show their appreciation for the free money and services the taxpayers are giving them?

 

They show their appreciation through violence against these same tax payers.

 

 

Yes, a slave/victim thanks their master for their rags and beatings and the master crys foul when they don't "appreciate" their "good works". Just like any hypocrite control freak.

 

 

 

I have a very good friend that is the head of nursing at a major hospital. She makes very good money but earns every penny because of the load of paperwork she must do every day and the problems/management she handles.

 

There are no free rides in life, if your successful, you worked very hard to be successful, if your not successful, then you earned that as well, you earned it by being lazy.

 

 

I'm fortunate to be white, debt free, and intelligent in a society that validates my "superiority" over those less fortunate.

 

 

 

Well, again it took a lot of tax money to purchase that equipment and that takes hard working people to supply that tax money. These lazy people must get past thinking like a victim and start working hard to earn what they get before they can get involved in having the tax base to maintain a military.

 

 

Or they can use what they can find.. Sticks, stones, matches, and bricks.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Violence is always wrong, period.

 

Violence is not always wrong... Violence is necessary at times. You just have to accept that.

 

 

 

 

"The flames are all long gone but the pain lingers on" ~ Pink Floyd

wrong thread.

 

 

 

 

You try to keep them seperate to protect your beliefs. Feel free. You judge someone for using violence to break free of oppression but excuse yourself for using violence to oppress.

 

umm... This argument is full of fuzzy logic... You're not making sense.

 

 

 

 

Since returning Iraqi veterans are violent, they should not be hired?

 

Are they violent? How do you know? Prove it to me.

 

 

 

 

 

Some people don't want to be part of the illusionary money system, and they have no choice as what is necessary for sustaining life is withheld from them to force participation and validation.

 

more fuzzy logic.

 

 

 

Do you really want that for your son?

 

 

this statement doesn't even make sense...

 

 

 

They need to attack those who withold what they need to sustain life so they can feel better about themselves.

 

You're promoting violence now?!? Make up your mind hypocrite.

 

 

Some sick people cannot be "happy" unless someone else is suffering.

 

that sounds like a self diagnosis.

 

 

 

 

Yes, a slave/victim thanks their master for their rags and beatings and the master crys foul when they don't "appreciate" their "good works". Just like any hypocrite control freak.

 

this isnt even fuzzy logic... this is just crap that you're spewing...

 

 

 

 

I'm fortunate to be white, debt free, and intelligent in a society that validates my "superiority" over those less fortunate.

 

you racist bastard... trying to validate validate someone's power over you..

 

 

 

 

Or they can use what they can find.. Sticks, stones, matches, and bricks.

 

and be smashed by a real army... oh wait... we have to follow rules of engagement... we can't attack them like they attack us.

[timesjoke]

Violence is always wrong, period.

 

If you truly believed that you would not be defending these people's violent behavoir.

 

What if I used violence to stop violence against someone you cared about? Would me defending your loved one be wrong?

 

 

 

"The flames are all long gone but the pain lingers on" ~ Pink Floyd

 

Your right, the gassing of his people and the daily raping of little girls by Suddam will be remembered for a long time, he was a truly brutal man who will leave his mark on his people for meny generations.

 

Hell, even the oil for food scandle where he starved his own people to sneak more money to build more palaces for himself will have effects forever.

 

 

You try to keep them seperate to protect your beliefs. Feel free. You judge someone for using violence to break free of oppression but excuse yourself for using violence to oppress.

 

Nope, these people were not the victims of any violence, they are getting free public assistance from the tax payers (not them) and they say thanks to those putting food in their stomachs and a roof over their heads with this kind of senseless violence.

 

 

 

Since returning Iraqi veterans are violent, they should not be hired?

 

So you think a former job means a person is a certain way?

 

What jobs do you thing permanantly change a person into a violent mindless beast Wez?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some people don't want to be part of the illusionary money system, and they have no choice as what is necessary for sustaining life is withheld from them to force participation and validation.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

Are you saying people should be allowed to be lazy, sit around and do nothing good for society but still get everythign they want without working for it?

 

Every man has a chioce, they can go out into the wilderness and survive on the land if they want to, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

 

Do you really want that for your son?

 

To be held accountable for his own actions?

 

Yes, and I have always told him that the only thing that can hold him back is himself. I tell him that others can try to put obsticals in his path but he has the ability to get around any obstical if he wants to bad enough.

 

 

 

 

 

They need to attack those who withold what they need to sustain life so they can feel better about themselves.

 

I thought you said all violence is wrong, make up your mind.

 

 

 

Some sick people cannot be "happy" unless someone else is suffering.

 

That is how peopel like you feel better about yourselfs.

 

I feel good being a good person, raising my kids the best I can, educating myself, running my businesses at a profit, being a responsible person to society, all proactive things in life while all people like you do is try to tear down others.

 

 

 

 

Yes, a slave/victim thanks their master for their rags and beatings and the master crys foul when they don't "appreciate" their "good works". Just like any hypocrite control freak.

 

So them getting free food, free housing, free medical treatment, free educations, free everything is somehow beating them?

 

How do you twist things so much?

 

I'm fortunate to be white, debt free, and intelligent in a society that validates my "superiority" over those less fortunate.

 

Power hungry self serving is what you are.

 

 

 

Or they can use what they can find.. Sticks, stones, matches, and bricks.

 

I thought you said violence was wrong?

 

 

It seems like you only call society trying to keep order for the good members of society bad and any violence done to tear society apart good.

 

Double standard.

[Guest Stedric]

No it is not logical to riot, but rioting is not a product of logic or rational thought. It is very much a "herd behaviour".

 

Not that I don't sympathize at all with their grievances, but violence of this type will only worsen misunderstandings and thus their situation.

 

However, FOX News have once again proven that relying on them for accurate news is like relying on a witch doctor to cure diabetes. The vast majority of citizens in Val-d'Oise are ethnically French (81.2%). This has much more to do with class than religion. Val-d'Oise is considered a ghetto by most French.

[timesjoke]

No it is not logical to riot, but rioting is not a product of logic or rational thought. It is very much a "herd behaviour".

 

Not that I don't sympathize at all with their grievances, but violence of this type will only worsen misunderstandings and thus their situation.

 

However, FOX News have once again proven that relying on them for accurate news is like relying on a witch doctor to cure diabetes. The vast majority of citizens in Val-d'Oise are ethnically French (81.2%). This has much more to do with class than religion. Val-d'Oise is considered a ghetto by most French.

 

 

Most of the rioters from that region are muslim, not frence, the story is about the rioting, why talk about those not involved, just to be pollitically correct?

 

 

 

The reason they riot is the same as why North Korea, Iran, and any other nation plays bully, because they see they get paid to behave instead of being punnished for their actions.

 

 

Why work when you can claim everyone is oppression you and you can get free tax money, food, lodging, etc?