Oppression according to TJ

[timesjoke]

It seems to me that many people try to make rediclious comparisons to try and give false impressions fo how things really are.

 

 

Case in point, Wez seems to feel the muslims that are rioting and hurting people are justified because they are being oppressed, but I ask this simple question, what is a realistic definition of oppression?

 

Webster defines it like this:

 

unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power

a sense of being weighed down in body or mind

 

When I consider oppression, I think of places like North Korea:

FOXNews.com - 150,000 Witness North Korea Execution of Factory Boss Whose Crime Was Making International Phone Calls - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

Where a man can be publically executed for making international phonecalls.

 

 

 

While I can see how a claim can be made for feeling oppressed under any situation, I feel it is unfair to use that word to describe those getting free services and money and even shelter to sit on their behinds while real oppression is happening all over the world.

 

 

I do not see asking people to not riot as oppression. I do not see asking people to follow the law of the land as oppression.

 

 

Using oppression to describe such minor things diminishes true oppression.

[wez]

I would define oppression as any individual or group who uses anger, intimidation, violence and hypocrisy to subjugate another individual or group in any way.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

I would define oppression as any individual or group who uses anger, intimidation, violence and hypocrisy to subjugate another individual or group in any way.

 

And you would diminish what true oppression is.

 

The Jews in Germany during WWII... They were oppressed.

 

Blacks in America today... They are not oppressed. If one wanted to say they were, they'd probably point out all the ways that they oppress themselves or their own kind.

[wez]

And you would diminish what true oppression is.

 

The Jews in Germany during WWII... They were oppressed.

 

Blacks in America today... They are not oppressed. If one wanted to say they were, they'd probably point out all the ways that they oppress themselves or their own kind.

 

 

Oppression is oppression to the person being oppressed.

 

Black people do oppress each other. As do whites to whites.

 

The Jews were oppressed and murdered quite dramatically.

 

Add murder to my list and it wont diminish it.

[wez]

You know TJ, I never said muslims were justified doing anything. I said violence is always wrong. I said that is why they are lashing out with violence. Violence, but mostly, intimidation is used against them. So, kindly stop putting words in my mouth.

[Jhony5]

Oppression has varying degrees, just like anything else. Also, it is fully subject to personal interpretation.

 

Just because North Korea executes international phone callers and Sudan executes woman whom wear pants, doesn't mean that I cannot state I am being oppressed in America if I am gay and not allowed to adopt a baby.

[timesjoke]

You know TJ, I never said muslims were justified doing anything. I said violence is always wrong. I said that is why they are lashing out with violence. Violence, but mostly, intimidation is used against them. So, kindly stop putting words in my mouth.

 

 

If you can only make excuses for their actions and never condemn their actions, you are condoning their actions.

 

 

 

 

Oppression has varying degrees, just like anything else. Also, it is fully subject to personal interpretation.

 

Just because North Korea executes international phone callers and Sudan executes woman whom wear pants, doesn't mean that I cannot state I am being oppressed in America if I am gay and not allowed to adopt a baby.

 

Adopting a baby is a priveledge, not a right, your morals, lifestlye, and habits are all fair game for consideration if you want to be responsible for raising an innocent life.

 

Most gays have more relationship failures than the average straight person, emotional breakups are very destructive for children and is proven to be one of the leading cause for childhood depression.

 

And that is just one thing in a complex series of things that must be considered, but it is not an indication of oppression if you don't get to adopt a baby reguardless of your situation in life.

 

 

Again, as I and Brother said, you diminish true oppression by calling everything oppression.

[Jhony5]

 

Adopting a baby is a privilege, not a right, your morals, lifestlye, and habits are all fair game for consideration if you want to be responsible for raising an innocent life.

 

Most gays have more relationship failures than the average straight person, emotional breakups are very destructive for children and is proven to be one of the leading cause for childhood depression.

 

And that is just one thing in a complex series of things that must be considered, but it is not an indication of oppression if you don't get to adopt a baby reguardless of your situation in life.

 

 

Again, as I and Brother said, you diminish true oppression by calling everything oppression.

 

I'm not exactly a champion for gay rights. I was merely stapling a perceived oppression to my post.

 

"True oppression" is subjective to an individual experience. What your are arguing is in regard to the severity of oppression.

 

If I punch someone in the jaw, it should be said that I beat them. If I stomp your ass with my gortex boots until you lose consciousness, it should be said that I beat you.

 

Two varying degrees of the same action. Same with oppression.

 

If I call a Jew a money coveting kike, that would be oppressive.

 

If I aligned a nation against the entire race of Jews and attempted to commit genocide, that would be oppression as well.

[timesjoke]

The point of the thread and you keep dodging is that by calling everything oppression, you diminish real oppression.

 

It is like comparing things to the holocaust, nothing can compare so the comparison diminishes it.

 

 

That is why the masses do not care anymore. Every group and story wants attention for itself so they use the most attention getting words to do so but it has been happening for so long now that everything is called the same thing, so no reason for people to take notice and act on more important issues as used to be the case.

[Jhony5]

The point of the thread and you keep dodging is that by calling everything oppression, you diminish real oppression.

 

It is like comparing things to the holocaust, nothing can compare so the comparison diminishes it.

 

I don't get it, TJ. I ain't seeing it.

 

Of course every little special interest group is going to waive their little red flag of oppression, yearning for attention to their cause. But I don't understand how this could diminish the holocaust.

 

Take the whole Imus issue as an example. I was about to vomit in my own mouth hearing about the "suffering" and "pain" of the dyke basketball team. I thought "That isn't pain. That isn't suffering". But I fail to see how that diminishes from real pain and suffering. Maybe it provides as a distraction.

 

I mean to say, I understand what you're trying to say. I just don't think it's true. If something is bad, than its bad. A fender bender is bad. A multi-fatality high speed crash is bad. They're both bad.

 

The premise of this thread is built upon semantics.

[ImWithStupid]

The point of the thread and you keep dodging is that by calling everything oppression, you diminish real oppression.

 

It is like comparing things to the holocaust, nothing can compare so the comparison diminishes it.

 

The name of the thread is a question, your first post is a statement and nobody can have a different opinion. If they do, you accuse them of dodging your question no matter how many times they answer it, they are dodging until they agree with you.

 

So this really wasn't a debate thread, it was just you making a statement that everyone needs to agree with.

[ImWithStupid]

I fixed the title.

[Jhony5]

I fixed the title.

 

Fitting.

 

I would have also accepted "The Semantics of the word Oppression".

[wez]

I fixed the title.

 

 

A nice little "or else" at the end would be fitting.

[snafu]

Oppression is to deny someone of there inalienable human rights. To be subjected to ternary and torture as a means of control. To live under unreasonable laws. To be denied education and the ability to better yourself. To be subjugated to harsh work ethics. To be stifled when you try to right these wrongs.

[ImWithStupid]

I am more apt to align with johny5, where oppression is a subjective principle. It is similar to pain, or stress. Everyone or every group has their own breaking point, where they can't stand any more, and react to their perceived dose of , pain, stress, or oppression.

 

To say you aren't oppressed until, such and such has been done to you is like saying, that didn't hurt, or deal with the stress. Every one of these stresses effects people/groups differently.

 

Look at the situation in Saudi Arabia with the teacher that named the stuffed bear Muhammad or the riots as a result of the Dutch cartoons that depicted Muhammad negatively. Something that is no big deal to one person or group is a huge deal to another.

[Old Salt]

I am more apt to align with johny5, where oppression is a subjective principle. It is similar to pain, or stress. Everyone or every group has their own breaking point, where they can't stand any more, and react to their perceived dose of , pain, stress, or oppression.

 

To say you aren't oppressed until, such and such has been done to you is like saying, that didn't hurt, or deal with the stress. Every one of these stresses effects people/groups differently.

 

Look at the situation in Saudi Arabia with the teacher that named the stuffed bear Muhammad or the riots as a result of the Dutch cartoons that depicted Muhammad negatively. Something that is no big deal to one person or group is a huge deal to another.

The teacher is in Sudan (and now the Sudanese peasants are demanding the death penalty for her). Saudi Arabia was the 19YO woman who was gang raped and got sentenced. Talk about oppression - Saudi women can't go out of the house without a male relative, can't drive, can't initiate divorce, and a whole bunch of other things.

 

By the way, Congratulations.

[ImWithStupid]

The teacher is in Sudan (and now the Sudanese peasants are demanding the death penalty for her). Saudi Arabia was the 19YO woman who was gang raped and got sentenced. Talk about oppression - Saudi women can't go out of the house without a male relative, can't drive, can't initiate divorce, and a whole bunch of other things.

 

By the way, Congratulations.

 

My mistake, (I can admit when I'm wrong) in hindsight, I guess I knew that. To be honest. It's a Friday night and I'm a bit drunk. I hope my point was made regardless of my mistake.

 

Thank you.

[wez]

I'll agree with TJ just to shut him up... We should form a mob and protest outside Lori Drews house and demand that "oppression" may only be uttered with relation to the genocide in WW2 so as not to "diminish it". We will demand the word be "retired", as it were, and hang Lori Drew from the corner street sign. Who's in?

 

 

Next week, we will storm the Smithsonian institute and demand "ridiculous" be changed to "rediclious" and TJ will be the only person allowed to use the word... Hahahahahahahaha

[timesjoke]

The name of the thread is a question, your first post is a statement and nobody can have a different opinion. If they do, you accuse them of dodging your question no matter how many times they answer it, they are dodging until they agree with you.

 

There are many ways to start a conversation, one standard way is to ask a question to a group then give your own answer to invite others to reply.

 

This is what I just did, I am sorry you could not understand that.

 

 

 

Let me ask you a question, what is a debate in your mind? Is it everyone agreeing with you or banging out the details of a topic to understand all sides even if you are fairly sure you already know how you believe on that subject?

 

 

It seems the only one going off into left field with personal attacks was you.

 

 

So this really wasn't a debate thread, it was just you making a statement that everyone needs to agree with.

 

I am sorry, could you please send me your guidelines of the proper method of debating so I can avoid future mistakes of this great magnitude requireing your internention?

 

 

Seriously, get over your possition, you don't need to fine tune my topic names or otherwise try to insert your "assumptions" of my motivations for anything. Do you truly believe everyone here is too stupid to make up their own minds about what I am saying?

 

 

 

 

My point even you completely miss is that you cannot call everything oppression if you want the general public to take notice, I am speaking from a point of view where if you want actions taken against truly oppressive situations, we need to stop flooding society with the word to describe everything from makeup to complete lies just to get headlines that end up nothing more than a dull noise after the first hundred thousand times the average person has heard it used.

 

 

 

If you don't care about the more drastic oppression being ignored because it sounds like everything else then fine, that was not my point, I understand that under the most strict book definition anything can be twisted into fitting that word but where do we draw the line?

 

I prefer the ability to correctly define real oppression from a woman having a bad hair day and claiming she is oppressed by the fashion industry but hey, if you prefer to lump it all together who am I to have a different opinion?

[wez]

Hey TJ, why don't you create a new word for each degree and specific instance of oppression and call Webster's?

[ImWithStupid]

Hey TJ, why don't you create a new word for each degree and specific instance of oppression and call Webster's?

 

There's always the idea of recycling this...

 

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Nobody pays attention to it anymore.

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[hugo]

Not sure which word has been rendered more meaningless--oppression or racism.

[wez]

Not sure which word has been rendered more meaningless--oppression or racism.

 

I think using the evil doer color scheme along with creating the department of homeland oppression of the english language with TJ as the word czar would fix that pretty quickly...

 

 

They could run commercials stating.. "If you haven't been gassed and cremated, it aint oppression".

 

Disclaimer: Use of the word "oppression" in reference to anything but the holocaust could result in a $500,000 fine and/or 10 years in prison.

 

 

TJ is a dumbass.

[timesjoke]

Not sure which word has been rendered more meaningless--oppression or racism.

 

And that has been my point all along.

 

 

With everyone all claiming their oppressed for even the most rediclious crap, all oppression is seen as the same, very minor crap. The average person cannot seperate real oppression from a group just looking for some attention and exagerating (most fit this description).

 

 

 

 

 

TJ is a dumbass.

 

I will answer this in the same mental attitude it was posted:

 

I know you are but what am I?