snafu Posted January 7, 2008 Author Posted January 7, 2008 When my first child was conceived I was 20 and my girlfriend was 21. We were both party hounds and had no business getting pregnant. But we got married before she was born. We didn?t even consider abortion. Never even came up. We new what we had to do. We slowed down our parting. We even took turns, one going out and the other staying home with the baby. My second one was planned. "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
wez Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 He was fortunate to live in the state that he did. In Nebraska, unless you can prove that the mother is a drug addict or should be in a mental institution, she will almost always get custody. There is even a movement and fliers in many courthouses addressing the gender bias in custody situations in the states District Courts (that's the court in Nebraska that decides custody). Try proving that a mother uses her kids as a meal ticket to trap men and is verbally abusive and tortures her kids and spouse/partner on a daily basis.. Even if she is, and it's proven they wont take the kids from her.. She wasn't a drug addict or partier. Drunk with anger 24/7.. Not a crime last time I checked..
ImWithStupid Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 I don't think he should be charged with any crime. What did he do to the girlfriend aside from put that in her drink (I really don't know, I need to go back and read the original story again)? If nothing that harmed her physically, then no crime. I think slipping any drug to someone without their knowledge or consent, should be some form of assault. Most drugs have side effects. Here are some of the results of RU486. Bleeding and cramping are a normal part of the process. The bleeding can be heavier than a normal period. Bleeding and spotting usually lasts from 9-16 days. In some cases, women may have severe bleeding and then would need to contact the clinic or their doctor immediately. Your provider will instruct you on how to handle any pain, nausea, headache, vomiting, or diarrhea that could also occur with the use of Mifepristone.Otherwise slipping a "Ruffie" (Rohypnol) to a chick, causing her to just become unconscious, as long as you don't rape her would be fine. Side effects of Rohypnol. In addition to the chemically induced amnesia, Rohypnol often causes decreased blood pressure, drowsiness, visual disturbances, dizziness, confusion, gastrointestinal disturbances, and urinary retention. Users of the drug report effects similar to intoxication, yet claim that they wake up the next morning without a hangover.
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Causes physical problems, clearly assault. Charge him with assault. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
wez Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Now, for myself, had some law said my ex and I had no choice would have been unacceptable, most likey forcing us into the bathtub with a coat hanger and a two liter bottle of coke.. Not a pretty scene.
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Now, for myself, had some law said my ex and I had no choice would have been unacceptable, most likey forcing us into the bathtub with a coat hanger and a two liter bottle of coke.. Not a pretty scene. That makes you a murder. And if you had resorted to "a coat hanger and a two liter bottle of coke," you would have been even worse. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 I realize that may be a little personal. But that's horrible. I'm so very anti abortion. On a site with a murderer. Craziness. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
wez Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 I realize that may be a little personal. But that's horrible. I'm so very anti abortion. On a site with a murderer. Craziness. Hahahaha.. don't fire bomb me. Take care of yourself and don't worry about other peoples decisions that don't effect you. Nobody will ever force you to have an abortion.. unless you're chinese. How come you aint as concerned for all the people of the world that are already born? Soldiers don't murder, right?
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 People that are born, soldiers, the like, have choices. They can choose to live where they do. They can choose to do something that will get them killed. They can't always choose to live or die, but at least they have a better chance than an unborn fetus. There is a difference between a murder and a casualty. I knew you were going to take it there. By your logic, it's now ok for someone to kill you because you murdered an innocent life. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
wez Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 People that are born, soldiers, the like, have choices. They can choose to live where they do. They can choose to do something that will get them killed. They can't always choose to live or die, but at least they have a better chance than an unborn fetus. There is a difference between a murder and a casualty. I knew you were going to take it there. By your logic, it's now ok for someone to kill you because you murdered an innocent life. No, that would be your logic, I don't consider myself a murderer, you do.
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 No, that would be your logic, I don't consider myself a murderer, you do. Hypocrite. Didn't you tell us earlier that you and your girl decided to abort? That's not murder? Do something for me. Define murder. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
wez Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Hypocrite. Didn't you tell us earlier that you and your girl decided to abort? That's not murder? Do something for me. Define murder. Murder = a group or individual intentionally taking the life of another human being/s. If the fetus was a life, and not a collection of undefined stem cells, it should have been able to survive being removed from the wall of my girlfriends uterus by a pill..
eddo Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 If the fetus was a life, and not a collection of undefined stem cells, it should have been able to survive being removed from the wall of my girlfriends uterus by a pill.. Bad logic. a 2 year old could not survive being dumped in the middle of the interstate from a car going 95 miles per hour, but that doesn't make it any less of a "life." Different stages of life require different levels of protection. In the womb stage of life, the baby needs protection and sustenance from the mother. In the toddler stage of life, that same baby needs protection and sustenance from someone. Later on, they start to develop independence and rely less and less on others. But it is silly to think that that early dependence (or any later) discredits a "life" I'm trusted by more women.
wez Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Bad logic. a 2 year old could not survive being dumped in the middle of the interstate from a car going 95 miles per hour, but that doesn't make it any less of a "life." Different stages of life require different levels of protection. In the womb stage of life, the baby needs protection and sustenance from the mother. In the toddler stage of life, that same baby needs protection and sustenance from someone. Later on, they start to develop independence and rely less and less on others. But it is silly to think that that early dependence (or any later) discredits a "life" I see your point, but what's done is done. I wish it hadn't happened but I know it was for the best, sadly. I do love kids.. At the point we decided to terminate the pregnancy, the fetus was a collection of 2 kinds of undifferenctiated stem cells. We were 2 people in our mid 30's, fully capable of making our own decisions. Sorry to those who can't understand.. I don't need you to.
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 don't you think that's how all murderers say they feel? Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 and wife beaters for that matter. And half of the other people who do something terrible? Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
wez Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 don't you think that's how all murders feel? Define murder..
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Murder = The intentional, illegal, brutal killing or destruction of one human being by another. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
wez Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Murder = The intentional, illegal, brutal killing or destruction of one human being by another. Define legal and illegal..
timesjoke Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 I see your point, but what's done is done. I wish it hadn't happened but I know it was for the best, sadly. I do love kids.. At the point we decided to terminate the pregnancy, the fetus was a collection of 2 kinds of undifferenctiated stem cells. We were 2 people in our mid 30's, fully capable of making our own decisions. Sorry to those who can't understand.. I don't need you to. I am sorry Wez, but you have completely removed any credibility you may have had with this crap your tossing right now. You constantly bash everyone with your Jesus stuff but the relity is, your a murderer, you killed an innocent life just because that life would have been an inconvience to your life. That is as selfish as one human being can be. What is done is not done my friend, you must still face judgement for the innocent life you took, time to stop bashing soldiers, presidents, and everyone else because you just proved your just as bad, or worse than everyone you attack.
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Define legal and illegal.. Illegal = Not complying with the law of man. Legal = not illegal Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
wez Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Illegal = Not complying with the law of man. Legal = not illegal Then according to you, I'm no murderer..
wez Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 I am sorry Wez, but you have completely removed any credibility you may have had with this crap your tossing right now. You constantly bash everyone with your Jesus stuff but the relity is, your a murderer, you killed an innocent life just because that life would have been an inconvience to your life. That is as selfish as one human being can be. What is done is not done my friend, you must still face judgement for the innocent life you took, time to stop bashing soldiers, presidents, and everyone else because you just proved your just as bad, or worse than everyone you attack. Never said I was any better than anyone, matter of fact, I've said the opposite. It's you who thinks others actions make you better than them. Perhaps you should worry about your own judgment and the man you murdered and went to jail for.. I told you about my murder, tell me about yours..
timesjoke Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 Never said I was any better than anyone, matter of fact, I've said the opposite. It's you who thinks others actions make you better than them. Perhaps you should worry about your own judgment and the man you murdered and went to jail for.. I told you about my murder, tell me about yours.. To quote you, stop trying to make me you. I have never killed an innocent child, you have, your a murderer. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? - Matthew 7:3 You attack others all the time but in reality, your the one with the beam in your eye. Again, you need to look at your own life before you go attacking others, your a killer of innocent life, time to stop being two faced.
wez Posted January 7, 2008 Posted January 7, 2008 To quote you, stop trying to make me you. I have never killed an innocent child, you have, your a murderer. You attack others all the time but in reality, your the one with the beam in your eye. Again, you need to look at your own life before you go attacking others, your a killer of innocent life, time to stop being two faced. Hahahahahaha.... I don't think so.. Did you go to jail for killing someone? A child isn't an undefined collection of stem cells attached to the wall of a uterus..
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