ImWithStupid Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 WebD. These are your opinions, and there are some who agree with you,and some who do not. My opinion, which is just as valid as yours, is that we are human from conception and should be treated as such. There are just a few examples where I do endorse termination: the womans health, rape, and very serious congenital conditions which the baby is certainly suffering from If it is a human from conception, then any kind of termination would be a violation of it's rights. A persons rights only go so far as they don't interfere with another person's rights. No matter of the mother's health, rape or congeital defect, the "child" has the right to live. If we are human from conception, that is.
snafu Posted January 23, 2008 Author Posted January 23, 2008 If it is a human from conception, then any kind of termination would be a violation of it's rights. A persons rights only go so far as they don't interfere with another person's rights. No matter of the mother's health, rape or congeital defect, the "child" has the right to live. If we are human from conception, that is. I believe he was talking about morally not legally. "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
ImWithStupid Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I believe he was talking about morally not legally. Even morally. Don't they call themselves, "Right To Lifers"? If they are humans they would have the moral right to life and only God should make that determination, not a doctor even when there is a rape, incest, defect, etc... I see it as another type of double standard myself. You can't have it both ways.
wez Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 WebD. These are your opinions, and there are some who agree with you,and some who do not. My opinion, which is just as valid as yours, is that we are human from conception and should be treated as such. There are just a few examples where I do endorse termination: the womans health, rape, and very serious congenital conditions which the baby is certainly suffering from I think your first step to change popular opinion would be to lobby for a law to change everyones birthdate back 9 months..
wez Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Even morally. Don't they call themselves, "Right To Lifers"? If they are humans they would have the moral right to life and only God should make that determination, not a doctor even when there is a rape, incest, defect, etc... I see it as another type of double standard myself. You can't have it both ways. Exactly... rape doesn't give the right to "murder".
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I don't set that double standard. I don't believe that Abortion should ever be an option. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
wez Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I don't set that double standard. I don't believe that Abortion should ever be an option. So if you had a wife or girlfriend that gets raped by an illegal immigrant you'd force her to have the kid and raise it as your own?
eddo Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I think your first step to change popular opinion would be to lobby for a law to change everyones birthdate back 9 months.. Cool! It would get my brithday away from Christmas! Better presents for me!!!! I don't set that double standard. I don't believe that Abortion should ever be an option. I agree Brotherman. So if you had a wife or girlfriend that gets raped by an illegal immigrant you'd force her to have the kid and raise it as your own? Force her is a bit strong of terminology, but hopefully I would be with a woman who shares my same basic views, and she would understand that sex doesn't create life- God does. I'm trusted by more women.
wez Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Cool! It would get my brithday away from Christmas! Better presents for me!!!! I agree Brotherman. Force her is a bit strong of terminology, but hopefully I would be with a woman who shares my same basic views, and she would understand that sex doesn't create life- God does. What if you were having a black baby, or a white baby if you're black, with full blown down syndrome as the love child of a brutal rape that nearly killed your wife?
snafu Posted January 23, 2008 Author Posted January 23, 2008 What if you were having a black baby, or a white baby if you're black, with full blown down syndrome as the love child of a brutal rape that nearly killed your wife? Even if the sky was falling. "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
wez Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Even if the sky was falling. Good thing you'll never have to worry about it, you're a man. Things get hot around the house, you can always have a mid life crisis and get an apartment..
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 So if you had a wife or girlfriend that gets raped by an illegal immigrant you'd force her to have the kid and raise it as your own? No. Force is definitely the wrong word. I would support her having it and giving it up for adoption. What if you were having a black baby, or a white baby if you're black, with full blown down syndrome as the love child of a brutal rape that nearly killed your wife? What's with the what if's? There are a million what if's. I've taught my girlfriend something about protecting herself and helped to arm her if she ever is attacked. What if some jiggaboo attacks her and she stabs them in the throat and they die? What if some mexican attacks her and she breaks his nose and neck? What if you shut the hell up. dumbass. none of it changes my point of view. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
wez Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 No. Force is definitely the wrong word. I would support her having it and giving it up for adoption. What's with the what if's? There are a million what if's. I've taught my girlfriend something about protecting herself and helped to arm her if she ever is attacked. What if some jiggaboo attacks her and she stabs them in the throat and they die? What if some mexican attacks her and she breaks his nose and neck? What if you shut the hell up. dumbass. none of it changes my point of view. Why adoption? If you don't want to raise your woman and rapists love child, why should someone else?
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Why adoption? If you don't want to raise your woman and rapists love child, why should someone else? durh... adoption is better than murder dumbass. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
wez Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 durh... adoption is better than murder dumbass. Why don't you want to take of your own love child, dumbass?
timesjoke Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Why adoption? If you don't want to raise your woman and rapists love child, why should someone else? I am glad he cannot see my reply to this so nobody can claim I am attacking him, what I have issue is the mentality this line of arguement represents. The "what if" sybdrome where reality is suspended and the most rediclious and unrealistic garbage is inserted into it's place to try and derail discussing the real problems. The vast majority of abortions are because of a lck of being responsible. But, we cannot discuss the reality of what most abortions are, the only arguement the pro-choice crowd can come up with only covers a tiny percentage of the abortion cases. I say if we can deal rith the 95% that is pure irresponsibility, then I believe most people could agree that the tiny 5% can be justified in some way to accomodate these very rare circumstances.
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Why don't you want to take of your own love child, dumbass? This sentence doesn't make since... To answer what I THINK you're trying to say... "Why don't you want to take care of your own love child"... this wasn't about my love child... this would be about a rapist. Dumbass. I would take care of my own kid. She wouldnt want to keep the product of rape. Adoption would be the best option... Retard. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
ImWithStupid Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 How about no more calling anyone, "Dumbass" or "Retard".
wez Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 This sentence doesn't make since... To answer what I THINK you're trying to say... "Why don't you want to take care of your own love child"... this wasn't about my love child... this would be about a rapist. Dumbass. I would take care of my own kid. She wouldnt want to keep the product of rape. Adoption would be the best option... Retard. You'd encourage her to abandon her kid? Are you with a zombie who does whatever you say? Perhaps she wouldn't want to give birth to it in the first place..
ImWithStupid Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I say if we can deal rith the 95% that is pure irresponsibility, then I believe most people could agree that the tiny 5% can be justified in some way to accomodate these very rare circumstances. I agree with you mostly, but I think in this situation, and why abortion is such a hot issue, is because it's either all or none. Either the embryo is a human being with legal and moral rights to live no matter what the circumstance, or it is not yet a human being and is able to be eliminated for any circumstance. It is completely different then the death penalty that allows the taking of a life. Those persons chose to do something so severe that they are determined to be a danger to society. What did the baby of a rape victim, incest, or one with a congenital defect do to anyone that would deem them to be a danger to society? Nothing.
wez Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I agree with you mostly, but I think in this situation, and why abortion is such a hot issue, is because it's either all or none. Either the embryo is a human being with legal and moral rights to live no matter what the circumstance, or it is not yet a human being and is able to be eliminated for any circumstance. It is completely different then the death penalty that allows the taking of a life. Those persons chose to do something so severe that they are determined to be a danger to society. What did the baby of a rape victim, incest, or one with a congenital defect do to anyone that would deem them to be a danger to society? Nothing. Absolutely, well said.. All or nothing.
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 How about no more calling anyone, "Dumbass" or "Retard". Don't start being a mod now. If you're going to censor us over the word dumbass, you need to get onto all of wez's posts. He's called more names than anyone else. You'd encourage her to abandon her kid? Are you with a zombie who does whatever you say? Perhaps she wouldn't want to give birth to it in the first place.. I'm not with a zombie who does whatever I want. If she wanted to keep this child who was a product of rape, that would be her choice. I wouldn't necessarily stay with her or be around it, but it would be her choice. I would not be with a woman who believed that she should have an abortion. Bottom line. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I agree with you mostly, but I think in this situation, and why abortion is such a hot issue, is because it's either all or none. Either the embryo is a human being with legal and moral rights to live no matter what the circumstance, or it is not yet a human being and is able to be eliminated for any circumstance. It is completely different then the death penalty that allows the taking of a life. Those persons chose to do something so severe that they are determined to be a danger to society. What did the baby of a rape victim, incest, or one with a congenital defect do to anyone that would deem them to be a danger to society? Nothing. Absolutely, well said.. All or nothing. All sounds good to me. Abortion should be considered murder for everyone. Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
ImWithStupid Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Don't start being a mod now. If you're going to censor us over the word dumbass, you need to get onto all of wez's posts. He's called more names than anyone else. I'm talking to everyone and don't tell me not to mod. I had a discussion with wez and if you check he hasn't called anyone anything for weeks. You started the name calling here.
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