Muslims and western society

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On her wedding night, Aisha Salim will hand her blooded sheets to her in-laws as proof of her virginity, according to a story in The Daily Telegraph of Australia.

 

But there?s one problem. Being a modern English university graduate, she is far from the traditional untouched Muslim bride.

 

Like most woman her age, Salim has smoked, drank, had sex and even lived with one of her past boyfriends.

 

However, if the devout Muslim family of her soon-to-be husband ? or even her own family ? knew this, she could be murdered.

 

Aisha has opted to have her virginity surgically restored in a delicate but painful surgery called hymenoplasties -- where the hymen is re-created from the already torn tissue, or a new membrane is inserted.

 

"If my husband cannot prove to his family that I am a virgin, I would be hounded, ostracised and sent home in disgrace,? Salim told England?s Daily Mail.

 

?My father, who is a devout Muslim, would regard it as the ultimate shame. The entire family could be cast out from the friends and society they hold dear, and I honestly believe that one of my fanatically religious cousins or uncles might kill me in revenge, to purge them of my sins. Incredible as it may seem, honour killings are still accepted within our religion.

 

"Ever since my family arranged this marriage for me, I've been terrified that, on my wedding night, my secret would come out. It has only been since my surgery last week that I've actually been able to sleep properly. Now, I can look forward to my marriage."

 

Salim is far from alone in seeking such drastic -- and almost barbaric -- surgery.

 

The rise in Islamic fundamentalism has seen 24 women in the U.K. have the procedure between 2005 and 2006.

 

"I've always adored my parents,? Salim said.

 

?My father, now 62, is a retired accountant and my mother raised a family of seven sisters in a five-bedroom house in Birmingham.

 

"I attended the local Catholic secondary school and although I wore a scarf on my head, I refused to wear a veil, telling my parents that it would make me stand out too much.

 

"I was one of the girls, totally accepted by my white, English friends whose lives revolved around shopping and fancying boys.

 

"But the moment I stepped over the doorstep, normal teenage life would cease and it was like entering an entirely different world. At home, we had to pray together five times a day.

 

"We weren't allowed to watch television. My parents were so worried that Western influences might take our minds off the most important things -- education and religion -- that we were never allowed to bring any schoolfriends home.

 

"But it made all the things my friends did more attractive to me. I would sneak out on Saturday afternoons and join them in town, hanging around, shopping and chatting to boys," Salim added

 

 

FOXNews.com - Muslim Brides Undergoing Painful Vaginal Surgery to 'Re-virginize' for Wedding Nights - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News

 

 

It seems more and more stories like this are popping up all over the world.

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

The bombings in London where orcastrated from a Mosque and the clergy where advocating violence but nobody spoke up. Where were the moderate Muslims in that mosque?

 

Thats Finsbury Park Mosque. Its a meeting place for radical goat shaggers to go to, where they can listen to arseholes lke Abu Hamza, - well they can again once he gets out of jail. I read he's geting a hard time in there.

 

Nearby a white guy who went into a bar in a moslem area has almost been killed with a machette.

 

Ah, the joys of multiculturalism

[ToriAllen]

FOXNews.com - British Court Finds Muslim Father Guilty of Murdering Daughter in 'Honor Killing' - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

Muslim father strangles daughter in Canada for refusing to wear a veil

The second one was on Fox news last night. People can say what they want about the barbaric history of Christianity, but at least our barbaric history was over a hundred years ago, not continuing to be accepted and encouraged today.

[wez]

FOXNews.com - British Court Finds Muslim Father Guilty of Murdering Daughter in 'Honor Killing' - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

Muslim father strangles daughter in Canada for refusing to wear a veil

The second one was on Fox news last night. People can say what they want about the barbaric history of Christianity, but at least our barbaric history was over a hundred years ago, not continuing to be accepted and encouraged today.

 

Apparently those fine Christians, Andrea and Rusty Yates, never got the memo before she could save her 5 children from going to hell by drowning them in a bathtub..

[ToriAllen]

Apparently those fine Christians, Andrea and Rusty Yates, never got the memo before she could save her 5 children from going to hell by drowning them in a bathtub..

 

Apparently you missed the part of my quote that said "accepted and encouraged". There are a few crazy people in every group. I would not blame Islam for the schizophrenic actions of one or two muslims. We are talking about an accepted and known practice among many muslims, not a few insane individuals. We aren't even talking about radicals, Christianity has those. We are talking about a widespread practice, not some secluded group of idiots out in Utah. One of those killings was in the UK and one was in Canada, and it happens all the time in the Middle Eastern countries. Not much you can do about insanity, but beliefs that are part of the religion itself are a different story. So, tell me exactly how your comment about two people who were obviously not following any part of the Christian religion is even similar to the common use of the honor killing in Islam?

[wez]

Ann Coulter:

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war. ~ Newspaper Column, September 2001.

 

 

 

Tom DeLay:

Ladies and gentlemen, Christianity offers the only viable, reasonable, definitive answer to the questions of 'Where did I come from?' 'Why am I here?' 'Where am I going?' 'Does life have any meaningful purpose?' Only Christianity offers a way to understand that physical and moral border. Only Christianity offers a comprehensive worldview that covers all areas of life and thought, every aspect of creation. Only Christianity offers a way to live in response to the realities that we find in this world -- only Christianity. ~ House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) at the First Baptist Church of Pearland, Texas, on April 12, 2002

 

 

 

Jerry Falwell:

I do not believe the homosexual community deserves minority status. One's misbehavior does not qualify him or her for minority status. Blacks, Hispanics, women, etc. are God-ordained minorities who do indeed deserve minority status. ~ USA Today. Quoted from: The Religious Freedom Coalition.

 

 

 

Jerry Falwell:

If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth.~ "Moral Majority Report," September, 1984.

 

 

 

Jerry Falwell:

The decline in American pride, patriotism, and piety can be directly attributed to the extensive reading of so-called 'science fiction' by our young people. This poisonous rot about creatures not of God's making, societies of 'aliens' without a good Christian among them, and raw sex between unhuman beings with three heads and God alone knows what sort of reproductive apparatus keeps our young people from realizing the true will of God.~ "Can Our Young People Find God in the Pages of Trashy Magazines? No, Of Course Not!" Reader's Digest, Aug. 1985: p142-157.

 

 

 

 

Gary North:

The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant - baptism and holy communion - must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel.~ Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism (1989)

 

 

 

 

Bailey Smith:

With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew.~ Bailey Smith, a founder of Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition, speaking during a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, Texas, on June 26, 1994

 

 

 

 

Randall Terry:

I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism.~ The News Sentinel, (Fort Wayne, Indiana), August 16, 1993.

 

 

 

Randall Terry:

When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed.~ Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue. Speech before the U.S. Taxpayers Alliance on doctors who perform abortions. August 8, 1995

 

 

 

James Watt:

We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand. ~ James Watt, Secretary of the Interior under Rondald Reagan. Washington Post, May 24, 1981.

 

 

 

Bunch of extremist f ckheads, look in the mirror. You are the opposite of Christ. ~ wez

 

 

[wez]

So, tell me exactly how your comment about two people who were obviously not following any part of the Christian religion is even similar to the common use of the honor killing in Islam?

 

 

Her religious beliefs were at the heart of her reasons. And they weren't muslim...

 

 

Pat Robertson called for the assassination of the Pres. of Argentina for God's sake.. Where's the outrage? I see the ass on TV daily.. Acceptance and encouragment must be in abundant supply...

 

 

Apparently, according to that genius, Jerry Falwell, you are a God ordained minority for being female. Might = Right and Fear = Respect. God and TJ have ordained it... Hahahahahahaha

[eddo]

Pat Robertson called for the assassination of the Pres. of Argentina for God's sake.. Where's the outrage? I see the ass on TV daily.. Acceptance and encouragment must be in abundant supply...

 

ummm, it was the President of Venezuela (Hugo Chavez,) and there was plenty of conservative outrage over it, and he apologized a couple days later.

 

The uproar got so bad that ABC Family, which had been showing Robertson's The 700 Club late at night for years, started putting up a disclaimer before the show started:

 

"the views expressed by the following show do not represent ABC Family or any of it's employees."

[ToriAllen]

Her religious beliefs were at the heart of her reasons. And they weren't muslim...

 

Insane, hello, nice try though. Show me where it is a part of the larger religion like the honor killings. You can't, because you are reaching. Are there Christians drowning their children all over the world because of their religious beliefs? Nope. Isolated event, doesn't count. Still nothing barbaric about Christianity at large.

 

Comparing a refusal to accept homosexuality to killing your daughter for not wearing a cloth on her head? Come on, really...

[ToriAllen]

ummm, it was the President of Venezuela (Hugo Chavez,) and there was plenty of conservative outrage over it, and he apologized a couple days later.

 

The uproar got so bad that ABC Family, which had been showing Robertson's The 700 Club late at night for years, started putting up a disclaimer before the show started:

 

"the views expressed by the following show do not represent ABC Family or any of it's employees."

 

He doesn't get it. He is trying really hard to come up with examples that support his view, but has fail to show any wide spead Christian practice that compares to killing ones daughter over sex or a face cloth.

[wez]

So, I assume that you guys agree that The U.S. government should not support, and be in bed with the Saudi Royal Family who condones killing women for being raped? Sounds like encouragment and acceptance to me.. "They", Saudis, are the ones who attacked our country..

[wez]

He doesn't get it. He is trying really hard to come up with examples that support his view, but has fail to show any wide spead Christian practice that compares to killing ones daughter over sex or a face cloth.

 

 

No, we just humilate rape victims in courts of law and blame them for being too damn sexy..

[ToriAllen]

So, I assume that you guys agree that The U.S. government should not support, and be in bed with the Saudi Royal Family who condones killing women for being raped? Sounds like encouragment and acceptance to me.. "They", Saudis, are the ones who attacked our country..

 

Now you are equating the US Government with Christianity. I could swear it was you saying we should be separating the actions of congress from Islam just a few pages back. Are you confusing yourself?

[ToriAllen]

No, we just humilate rape victims in courts of law and blame them for being too damn sexy..

 

Yeah, that's the same thing... You got me there.

[eddo]

Ann Coulter:

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war. ~ Newspaper Column, September 2001.

Come on man. September 2001? You don't think maybe tensions were a little bit high in September 2001?

 

But either way, show me where this is Biblically based.

 

 

Tom DeLay:

Ladies and gentlemen, Christianity offers the only viable, reasonable, definitive answer to the questions of 'Where did I come from?' 'Why am I here?' 'Where am I going?' 'Does life have any meaningful purpose?' Only Christianity offers a way to understand that physical and moral border. Only Christianity offers a comprehensive worldview that covers all areas of life and thought, every aspect of creation. Only Christianity offers a way to live in response to the realities that we find in this world -- only Christianity. ~ House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) at the First Baptist Church of Pearland, Texas, on April 12, 2002

 

Cool quote, but and where does it incite violence?

 

Jerry Falwell:

I do not believe the homosexual community deserves minority status. One's misbehavior does not qualify him or her for minority status. Blacks, Hispanics, women, etc. are God-ordained minorities who do indeed deserve minority status. ~ USA Today. Quoted from: The Religious Freedom Coalition.

 

Jerry Falwell:

If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth.~ "Moral Majority Report," September, 1984.

 

Jerry Falwell:

The decline in American pride, patriotism, and piety can be directly attributed to the extensive reading of so-called 'science fiction' by our young people. This poisonous rot about creatures not of God's making, societies of 'aliens' without a good Christian among them, and raw sex between unhuman beings with three heads and God alone knows what sort of reproductive apparatus keeps our young people from realizing the true will of God.~ "Can Our Young People Find God in the Pages of Trashy Magazines? No, Of Course Not!" Reader's Digest, Aug. 1985: p142-157.

 

Jerry Falwell is a loon, and not real high up on the "Christians listen to him" list. especially in quote that are 20 + years old.

 

 

 

Gary North:

The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant - baptism and holy communion - must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel.~ Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism (1989)

 

Some guy sharing his opinion. Again, show me where this (or any of this) is biblically based, or even embraced by a multitude of Christians.

 

 

 

Bailey Smith:

With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew.~ Bailey Smith, a founder of Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition, speaking during a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, Texas, on June 26, 1994

 

Randall Terry:

I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism.~ The News Sentinel, (Fort Wayne, Indiana), August 16, 1993.

 

Randall Terry:

When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed.~ Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue. Speech before the U.S. Taxpayers Alliance on doctors who perform abortions. August 8, 1995

 

I dunno who Randall Terry is, but I can see why he isn't running for pres.

 

James Watt:

We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand. ~ James Watt, Secretary of the Interior under Rondald Reagan. Washington Post, May 24, 1981.

 

I'm sure there is some negative point to this one, I just don't get it. If Jesus comes back tomorrow it is gonna look pretty stupid to have bought a $50,000 impractical electric car yesterday- won't it? and who is Rondald Regan?

[eddo]

So, I assume that you guys agree that The U.S. government should not support, and be in bed with the Saudi Royal Family who condones killing women for being raped? Sounds like encouragment and acceptance to me.. "They", Saudis, are the ones who attacked our country..

 

No, we just humilate rape victims in courts of law and blame them for being too damn sexy..

 

 

wow, jump around much?

[wez]

Now you are equating the US Government with Christianity. I could swear it was you saying we should be separating the actions of congress from Islam just a few pages back. Are you confusing yourself?

 

 

The US government is equating itself with Christianity. Do you deny it? GB got a little heat for using the "crusade" word.. remember?

[wez]

Do you think a muslim has a different truth/creation than you? And how would Jesus tell you, who label yourselfs Christian, to handle your "enemies"?

 

 

So what's this about? Validating killing people based on beliefs or showing love, compassion, patience, and tolerance as Jesus commands of you.. Sounds like you want to validate a reason to hate hundreds of millions of people based on beliefs and the actions of a few.. Who's sticking up for Jesus, thus "Christianity" here, me, or you?

 

All I keep hearing is "we're" better than "them" and "we" will kill "them" to prove it. Yeah... Mighty Jesusly of you..

[ToriAllen]

The US government is equating itself with Christianity. Do you deny it?

 

Uh, yeah. I love our country but I don't think our Gov is the source of the worlds Christian beliefs and practices, and if it were, I have yet to see them condone killing your daughter for not wearing a piece of cloth on her head, or having premarital sex. Even back in the 30's and 40's when premarital sex was shunned we didn't kill our daughters for having sex, we just sent them away to have their babies elsewhere.

 

Make up your mind. You were blaming the Gov for the promotion of Islam earlier.

 

Do you think a muslim has a different truth/creation than you? And how would Jesus tell you, who label yourselfs Christian, to handle your "enemies"?

When talking about an individual, I believe the phrase was 'turn the other cheek'. When talking about nations, it is a little more complicated.

 

So what's this about? Validating killing people based on beliefs or showing love, compassion, patience, and tolerance as Jesus commands of you.. Sounds like you want to validate a reason to hate hundreds of millions of people based on beliefs and the actions of a few.. Who's sticking up for Jesus, thus "Christianity" here, me, or you?

 

All I keep hearing is "we're" better than "them" and "we" will kill "them" to prove it. Yeah... Mighty Jesusly of you..

 

What does any of this have to do with the honor killings or have you moved away from that topic in realizing you had no valid argument there?

[wez]

Uh, yeah. I love our country but I don't think our Gov is the source of the worlds Christian beliefs and practices, and if it were, I have yet to see them condone killing your daughter for not wearing a piece of cloth on her head, or having premarital sex. Even back in the 30's and 40's when premarital sex was shunned we didn't kill our daughters for having sex, we just sent them away to have their babies elsewhere.

 

Make up your mind. You were blaming the Gov for the promotion of Islam earlier.

 

 

We do support the oppressive Suadi/Islamic government.

 

 

When talking about an individual, I believe the phrase was 'turn the other cheek'. When talking about nations, it is a little more complicated.

 

The world is only individuals, ask Jesus.

 

 

 

What does any of this have to do with the honor killings or have you moved away from that topic in realizing you had no valid argument there?

 

 

There is no valid argument to support "honor" killings.. It's like trying to help victims families cope by watching someone be fried for killing their loved one.. Barbaric. I don't support violence and people playing God..

[ToriAllen]

There is no valid argument to support "honor" killings.. It's like trying to help victims families cope by watching someone be fried for killing their loved one.. Barbaric. I don't support violence and people playing God..

 

Oooo, good come back. I can see how you would compare the death penalty for violent murderers to the death penalty for having sex or not wearing the right clothes. Yep, perfect example...

[hugo]

Oooo, good come back. I can see how you would compare the death penalty for violent murderers to the death penalty for having sex or not wearing the right clothes. Yep, perfect example...

 

It also ignores the fact that the Pope is the most prominent opponent of the death penalty. The United States is a secular state.

[wez]

Oooo, good come back. I can see how you would compare the death penalty for violent murderers to the death penalty for having sex or not wearing the right clothes. Yep, perfect example...

 

 

So, you propose changing families attitudes about their "honor" and "religion" how? Killing them? Girls are killed by their own families for the most part and if their Suadi Royal Family doesn't want to stop it, what do you propose we do to Saudi Arabia? Attack Iraq?

 

Or does their evil deeds ensure your ticket to heaven? According to the Christian named eddo, sin is sin is sin, so, you guys may want to straighten that out before you decide to hate, condemn, and condone killing people based on the teachings of Jesus.

 

 

Their governments, which we support those that do as we desire, allow it to continue... How odd.. Guess we don't really give a sh t what they do to their women, do we? Although, it sure helps to rally support, conjure hate based upon religion, and beat the war drums so we can bathe in oil.. How honorable of "us". Heaven awaits your glorious presence!

 

A true believer of Jesus speaks against hate and violence of any and all kinds, not for it. A Christian forgives, not condemns... A Christian loves their enemy... A Christian judges not, lest they be judged according to their judgments and the measure they give will be the measure they receive... Are you a Christian?

[wez]

Spinitaway Media Sanitation Services

When Christians Kill

By TESS HARPER

 

"Our troops" (preferred term. Avoid "military" or "bombs", as those words can get people upset) seem to have, regrettably, killed nine children inside a home in another inevitable accident in Afghanistan. This is going to present us with yet another challenge, linguistics-wise, because as you surely know by now, we have a very, very Christian President, which means that everything he orders his military to do, and everything his military orders our troops to do, is of course consistent with Christian principles.

 

I've been on the horn all morning with Washington on this potential PR disaster, and I know that my readers are concerned as well, lest our military missions or our rules of engagement be questioned (Tess Tip: "rules of engagement" reliably quells opposition, as it sounds too official and sophisticated for the average reader to dare question). But not to worry, Tess is on the case. A bit of shuffling around is in order, but if we work fast, we can prevent the usual whining about how "US aggression" has led to more civilian deaths, etc., blah blah blah.

 

Never fear, Dear Reader: As long as we get the words right, people will have forgotten all about those nine juveniles by, oh, Tuesday at the latest.

 

You see, when Christians kill, we have to have certain-wording. The right wording has been brilliantly used by our leaders these last two years to nip in the bud any dangerous notions that killing is somehow un-Christlike. I mean we all know that Jesus would be the first to commend the bombers for their good intentions, after all, they were trying to kill "the enemy" and rid the world of evil, and just had a little, well, accident.

 

And Jesus said, well never mind. Let's move on to pious-sounding words from the other parts of the Bible or from cherished old hymns that are, well, more amenable to our purposes than all that stuff that Jesus taught, which really has no pertinence here. (Tess Tip: you'll save a lot of time by skipping the Gospels altogether when justifying military defense killings, or when sanitizing military offense killings disguised as defense killings. I know all this is rather confusing, but the simple rule of thumb is in these situations is: Don't quote Jesus.)

 

Think with me for a moment. We need to strategize. What kind of phrase would make this nasty little incident more palatable to the good Christians of America?

 

For starters, we'll need a good Biblical-sounding word or two. "Evildoers" is usually a winner, but it's been a bit overused of late. How about-hmm-"freedom"? Good, but not quite Biblical enough to cover our.to convey the Christian impulse behind this regrettable incident (Tess Tip: always include the word "regrettable" when families are killed, preferably followed pretty quickly by the word "inevitable"-but don't use "collateral damage", as a lot of folks are starting to see through that one).

 

Still no ideas? Okay, let's just admit we're stuck for a moment, and go back to the AP story, 12/6/03. That should give us some ideas:

 

"An American A-10 aircraft struck a site south of Ghazni where a "known terrorist" was believed to be hiding at about 10:30 a.m. Saturday, Army Maj. Christopher E. West told The Associated Press. "Following the attack, ground coalition forces searching the area found the bodies of both the intended target and those of nine children nearby," he said. The U.S. military was sending a team of investigators to the site to determine if U.S. forces were at fault," West said."

 

Oh icky, that's no good-words like "attack", "bodies", "children", and fault" are to be avoided at all costs. Let's move on to another paragraph:

 

""We regret the loss of any innocent life and we follow stringent rules of engagement to specifically avoid this type of incident while continuing to target terrorists who threaten the future of Afghanistan," West said."

 

Much better! Our wording should include something about our dedication to preserving "innocent life", which we should, of course, quickly follow by reminding the reader or listener that, even though we did the killing, there were bad people (including a "known terrorist") out there threatening the very victims that we inadvertently killed.

 

Hey, are you thinking what I'm thinking?

 

Now we're getting somewhere. Try this on for size: Those nine were the very children that we were protecting, but, because of the bad people nearby-or, well, somewhere around there-anyway, in that region or that country (is Afghanistan the Middle East?!), oh you know what I mean-we had to drop some bombs. And -and -and they hit that house with the kids in it, and -and -and you see, (oh wait, this is good) if we hadn't done it, the terrorists probably would have, sooner or later! So, voila-We were actually protecting the children, but because the known terrorist wouldn't come out and show him- or herself to our bombers, those poor children got killed instead. The terrorists, you see, killed them, in a manner of speaking.

 

Only one problem remains, and it's an important one, so let's not stop here. Where can we insert some Biblical wording to ease the conscience of any Bush supporter who might be fond of that troublesome "Christ" part of Christianity (compassion, millstone-around-the-neck for those who hurt children, blessed are the merciful, etc.)? Never fear, a quick look at the speeches of our own very, very Christian President may do the trick:

 

"They're nothing but a bunch of cold-blooded killers and that's the way we're going to treat them." George W. Bush, talking to soldiers at the largest US military base, Jan. 3, 2003.

 

OOPS! Never mind that one, strike it from the record please. There MUST be something better, somewhere here in my files, oh, what's this? Let's take a peek:

 

"I know that the families of our military are praying that all those who serve will return safely and soon. Millions of Americans are praying with you for the safety of your loved ones and for the protection of the innocent." George W. Bush, 3/19/03

 

"Prayer"! That's the ticket! It's on the cover of dozens of bestsellers-believe me, it's highly persuasive at this time. You see, as long as you link the word "prayer" with any kind of activity, and I do mean ANY kind of activity, it becomes "sanctified", in a sense: If you pray that the President's decisions will be right, then, well, think about it! Whatever decision he subsequently makes will be what? Correct, of course, and Godly, too! You wouldn't want to question God, would you?

 

That's why The Presidential Prayer Team: is so successful. When you tell citizens to pray for political figures, this gives millions of well-intentioned Christians the subliminal message that, after praying for their President, whatever their President does or does not do is, ipso facto, the will of God Himself. Could you ask for anything more perfectly designed to squelch doubts or questions or pangs of conscience?

 

Okay, so now let's put it all together to develop our special wording (tactical words are underlined for your convenience): "We regret the loss of any innocent life, and pray that our actions will, in time, help us in our efforts to free the people of Afghanistan and Iraq from the terrorists who threaten their future."

 

Well we're pretty much finished, but, well, doesn't it lack-sparkle? Don't you think it should end with something that sounds righteous, patriotic, maybe even divinely inspired? Let Tess rummage around once more to see if there's anything fitting.

 

Here it is! George W. Bush, in his State of the Union address, Jan. 28, 2003: "For so many in our country -- the homeless and the fatherless, the addicted -- the need is great. Yet there is power, wonder-working power in the goodness, and idealism, and faith of the American people"

 

Ready? Set? Done! Our special wording, presented below, will ease every Bush-supporter's qualms, and even the most ardent Christian's concerns, about those nine little ones who were-well basically, in the wrong place (at home) at the wrong time (when we came a-bombing):

 

"We regret the loss of any innocent life, and pray that our actions will, in time, free the people of Afghanistan and Iraq (insert other countries as desired), from the terrorists who threaten their future. The people of Afghanistan and Iraq and (insert countries) long for freedom, and we are making the sacrifices to bring that freedom to them and to all the people of that troubled part of the world. We know that we will prevail because there is power, wonder-working power in the goodness and mercy of our troops and the American people."

 

 

 

Hahahahahahahaha... She's funny.

 

 

March on Christian soldier, march on.. The kingdom of God is at hand!

[wez]

How about this Tori.. You tell me the big difference between individuals and non living entities/countries full of individuals when it comes to killing/hating/condemning according to the teachings of Jesus.. I never went to church..

 

Bottom line for me, you condemn them and their religion based on some peoples actions and beliefs, you condemn no one but yourself and your religion, unless you are God. That is the message I get from Jesus, and believe it. Individual to individual, religion to religion, country to country. There is no difference as all I see are individual human beings who sprang hence forth from the same creator as I. Like I said, I never went to church, tell me where I am mistaken, please.