The war on drugs ..

[ImWithStupid]

Stress does exist, but turning stress into depression is causes inside the person's mind. I said if a person has good coping measures, they don't have the "negative" effects of stress, and this is 100% correct. You cannot remove stress, there will always be pressures like a demanding boss for example, but you have complete control over how you deal with that stress.

 

You have obviously never dealt with the loss of a child. Try just wishing that away without gettin depressed to the point you need medication to cope.

 

Until you have experienced every type of stressor in life that is possible you are in no position to preach to anyone about coping.

[wez]

Them, they go to the pharmacy and obtain their chemically engineered synthetic chemical compound brain rearrangers. Maybe they go home and treat their spouse and kids like sh t while they knock back a Xanex and a whiskey. Go to church on Sunday and then blog about the scummy potheads of the world that can't cope.

 

 

I think I may know someone that fits that description..

[timesjoke]

Speaking toward people in general, I disagree. Many people get phone calls at work telling them that their wife and children are all dead from a car accident. Many people suffer unimaginably from fatal stomach cancer. Where every second of every day is a miserable horror show of pain and suffering. Would you be so fast to tell them that "life doesn't suck"? That its all in their head?

 

Where did I ever say bad things never happen?

 

My point is your "reaction" to the bad things is up to you, only you can control your mind.

 

But if you want to see my point in real life, you need to visit a childrens cancer wing and see how bald, cancer ridden children still find the ability to play, to smile, to joke and have fun, even when their completely exahusted from the treatments.

 

Frame of mind, no matter what is happening around you, is under your control.

 

 

I never said that life is so stressful that I "MUST" use drugs. I like to smoke pot. It makes me feel better. It gives me something to make me feel better when I am lonely and I come home to an empty home. It passes the time in a most entertaining manner. It makes ho-hum chores fun to do. Crank some tunes and smoke a joint while I vacuum and dust my house.

 

You said you used pot to overcome your stress, that was the basis of my comments.

 

Sure, if you remove the illegal factor, taking recreational drugs is similar to drinking beer, but I don't like that either. "Legal" booze causes society a huge amount of money, if we have this much trouble with just one recreational legal drug, I hate to consider how bad it woulf get with more.

 

Much of what you said is true to some effect. Yes, there are people that make themselves miserable and they wallow in pity. But for the average Joe, turning to stimuli to enhance a positive attitude is a healthy choice.

 

 

And I dissagree, average Joe's running around with undiagnosed mental problems all trying to self-medicate without the proper medical training to know what their doing to treat their depressions and such sounds like a very dangerious situation to me.

 

 

I see the straight edge types freaking out all around me. The same guy that will cast dispersions at casual pot smokers is the same guy that flips me off in traffic, knuckles white with tension as he grips his steering wheel. Me, the pot head loser that "can't deal", is just laughing at the stressed out stick in the mud. I get this vibe from folks all the time. Jittery uptight f ck heads that freak out over the slightest accruing of inconvenience. I always notice the cross around their neck and their seemingly superior disposition to mine. I'm the drug addict. I'm the redneck scum. Yet, I'm the one that deals with life with a grin and a chuckle.

 

No, your detached from reality with drug induced apathy, in fact that is the biggest symptom of prolonged marijuana that I have issues with. Americans are lazy enough.

 

 

Sure, there are lost of stressed out people in the world, and lots of people using both illegal and legal drugs to try and cope with their conditions but in all cases, the drugs will not fix the problem, all it can do it treat the symptoms caused by the real problem, the inability to cope with stress.

 

 

Them, they go to the pharmacy and obtain their chemically engineered synthetic chemical compound brain rearrangers. Maybe they go home and treat their spouse and kids like sh t while they knock back a Xanex and a whiskey. Go to church on Sunday and then blog about the scummy potheads of the world that can't cope.

 

 

Nice backhand insult attempt but trying to use the Wez tactic of lashing out at others to cover your own issues does not work with me.

 

As I already said, it is not the medication used that is important, it is the counseling that helps people to create coping skills to one day be able to live life without the need to lean on chemicals of any kind, at least that is the goal of mental health doctors.

 

 

 

 

You have obviously never dealt with the loss of a child. Try just wishing that away without gettin depressed to the point you need medication to cope.

 

Until you have experienced every type of stressor in life that is possible you are in no position to preach to anyone about coping.

 

 

Again as I said with Jhony, where did I ever say stress does not exist?

 

Your making the same mistake he is in believing that a person is completely helpless to stress and that is not the case. I have dealt with death at all levels including ending one (in self defense), I have been through divorce and had several very close friends die and my god daughter died of SIDS at three months old.

 

Yes, there are major stress causing events in every person's life, but your reaction to that stress is completely under your control. Right now I have a mother who is slowly dying, one medical problem after another and the doctors have told us to prepare for her death twice but she pulled through. Each person's death is comming, there is no way to escape that reality and it is the basis of my internet name and sig about not being able to beat time. Butwatch a loved one slowly die and you know stress.

 

 

But, where does this leave me?

 

Will me getting depressed or worse change the reality of my mother slowly dying? Will smoking pot make that reality go away? If I get pissed off at the world and take my hurt feelings out on others change anything?

 

 

No, in fact, these things will make my life worse and will add to my stress, perpetuating an endless cycle of self-destructive behavoir.

 

 

I think I may know someone that fits that description..

 

Yep, each time you look in the mirror you see him.

[ImWithStupid]

Again as I said with Jhony, where did I ever say stress does not exist?

 

Where did I ever say you said that stress does not exist?

 

Your making the same mistake he is in believing that a person is completely helpless to stress and that is not the case. I have dealt with death at all levels including ending one (in self defense), I have been through divorce and had several very close friends die and my god daughter died of SIDS at three months old.

 

Yes, there are major stress causing events in every person's life, but your reaction to that stress is completely under your control. Right now I have a mother who is slowly dying, one medical problem after another and the doctors have told us to prepare for her death twice but she pulled through. Each person's death is comming, there is no way to escape that reality and it is the basis of my internet name and sig about not being able to beat time. Butwatch a loved one slowly die and you know stress.

 

 

None of these comparisons even comes close to the loss of a child and the stress/sadness that comes from this.

 

After you criticised my post about my friend in the "A Great Mom" thread as being not comparable and then you try to make it seem that because you lost a God daughter, or your mother is sick that you know what kind of pain/sadness that comes with losing a child is like.

 

This is something that many people never recover from, people get divorced, loose jobs from the effects of this. None of your "losses" even comes close to this.

 

Of course as we have have learned on here, you are perfect in every way, always make perfect decisions, don't feel pain and can cope with anything in the world that may attempt to affect your perfect psyche.

 

If you truly believe that depression is something that can always be avoided and there is no use for anti-depressant medications for the treatment of depression, then you should go hang out with Tom Cruise.

[Jhony5]

Nice backhand insult attempt but trying to use the Wez tactic of lashing out at others to cover your own issues does not work with me.

 

Oh no man, don't take it that way. I swear that is not what I meant. I think you know I don't do people like that.

 

My debate tactics don't involve personal attacks. That comment wasn't aimed at you. I was referencing the stuffy old Christian hierarchy that look down their nose at me. I was referencing the ignorant sh ts that talk about pot like its heroin, and then pop a few Xanex and wash them down with a scotch. You know, the hypocrites. Whether or not you, TJ, are a hypocrite, I have no idea. Nor was I trying to say so. I apologize if you took it that way.

 

All I meant by that was to point out my perception of the holier than thou crowd whom often speak of people like me as a barbaric scourge on an otherwise wonderful country. Or to insinuate that I must have a drug problem because I get high. I really am a nice guy with a happy disposition. I am not covering up some deep seeded issues with drug abuse. I am not a miserable criminal that treats people like sh t when I'm not robbing them.

 

I think there are too many stereotypes about pot smokers. Reinforcing a negative disconnect with people that have no idea what they're talking about. And I don't mean this as an insult to you. But I really feel you don't know what its all about. You know what you've been told by the status quo, but you really have no idea of the culture of marijuana smokers.

[ImWithStupid]

Oh no man, don't take it that way. I swear that is not what I meant. I think you know I don't do people like that.

 

My debate tactics don't involve personal attacks. That comment wasn't aimed at you. I was referencing the stuffy old Christian hierarchy that look down their nose at me. I was referencing the ignorant sh ts that talk about pot like its heroin, and then pop a few Xanex and wash them down with a scotch. You know, the hypocrites. Whether or not you, TJ, are a hypocrite, I have no idea. Nor was I trying to say so. I apologize if you took it that way.

 

Good luck with this. I just mentioned the word "banned" and it took me several days, several PM's and I don't know how many posts in an attempt to reassure TJ that I wasn't making a threat toward him personally.

 

I hope you have an easier time then I did.

[Jhony5]

Good luck with this. I just mentioned the word "banned" and it took me several days, several PM's and I don't know how many posts in an attempt to reassure TJ that I wasn't making a threat toward him personally.

 

I hope you have an easier time then I did.

 

Well I don't want to get into all that. I just want it known that I wasn't trying to backhand TJ when I mentioned people that go to church. My only reason for doing so is that many of the most intolerant folks I have met are quasi-Christian hypocrites. Almost as if they joined the church as a form of sheep's clothing to hide their wolves skin. The fact that he is a Christian and a dissenter or marijuana use, doesn't mean that I was targeting him with a slur. He may be one of the "good ones".

 

It all goes back to something I said awhile ago. If something makes you feel better and it doesn't hurt anyone, than do it. Don't let a doctor tell you that marijuana isn't the answer, Prozac is. Because that is a sales pitch.

[wez]

TJ sure took that personally... odd. He assumed I was insinuating that was him and blamed Jhony... I was, and he confirmed it..

 

Blame me, not an innocent life... a.k.a., Jhony... Hahahahahahahahaha

 

 

How can I see that in the mirror TJ? I don't go to church, drink alcohol more than 3 times a year, take xanex or blog/chastize pot smokers?

[timesjoke]

Where did I ever say you said that stress does not exist?

 

You implied it.

 

 

None of these comparisons even comes close to the loss of a child and the stress/sadness that comes from this.

 

After you criticised my post about my friend in the "A Great Mom" thread as being not comparable and then you try to make it seem that because you lost a God daughter, or your mother is sick that you know what kind of pain/sadness that comes with losing a child is like.

 

And you have no idea the kind of pain/sadness comes from taking another life, even if you know it was your only choice.

 

My point was not to say that one stress or another was "equal" to another, my point was that stress comes in all shades and sizes, but the "reaction" to that stress is internal, developing depression or other mental conditions from stress is purely the individual's fault.

 

 

This is something that many people never recover from, people get divorced, loose jobs from the effects of this. None of your "losses" even comes close to this.

 

Again, I never said it did, I was pointing out the many forms stress comes in and how it is up to each of us to decide how to deal with this stress.

 

 

Of course as we have have learned on here, you are perfect in every way, always make perfect decisions, don't feel pain and can cope with anything in the world that may attempt to affect your perfect psyche.

 

So you cannot argue the points and turn to personal attacks?

 

I never said I was perfect, I never said I have never been depressed, this is your trying to color your perceptions to justify attacking me.

 

I have been depressed and even had counseling, no human is perfect, my point is that with the right help, I was able to find my way back to where I needed to be. There is nothing to be embarrased about to admit you need help, that you have reached your limit.

 

The embarassment comes from trying to act like you are too good to ask for help and you just keep getting worse and worse. If I have a problem with my plumbing, I call a plumber, there is nothing to be ashamed about needing professional help to fix broken plumbing, but somehow some people feel asking for help with emotional problems is bad or embarrasing.

 

I never understood that.

 

If you truly believe that depression is something that can always be avoided and there is no use for anti-depressant medications for the treatment of depression, then you should go hang out with Tom Cruise.

 

Again, where did I ever say that? I am fairly hard sometimes, I know this but you guys keep wanting to make stuff up to be mad at me about. I never said depression was completely avoidable, I have said self-medicating will not deal with the problem though.

 

If you take the time to read my posts, you will find one I made to Jhony a couple pages back where I said the drugs prescribed by the doctor are the vehicle to make counseling possible and that the counseling is dealing with the problem, not the drugs.

 

Depression is inside the mind, and getting past the depression is also inside the mind.

 

 

 

You guys need to get past the personal attacks and start reading what I say because your jumping to conclusions. My entire point about dealing with "daily" stress is if you need to medicate yourself on a daily basis to deal with it, you need professional help, just druging yourself will not fix anything.

 

 

 

 

Good luck with this. I just mentioned the word "banned" and it took me several days, several PM's and I don't know how many posts in an attempt to reassure TJ that I wasn't making a threat toward him personally.

 

I hope you have an easier time then I did.

 

I have no real problem with Jhony, I accept his word that he did not meant the comment in an bad way directly tword me because we have both been hostile and friendly in seperate threads, we don't hold grudges.

 

 

You on the other hand tend to always be down on me and you also have moderator ability to mess with me so when you add to that tossing around the word banning, it does get my notice.

[ImWithStupid]

It all goes back to something I said awhile ago. If something makes you feel better and it doesn't hurt anyone, than do it. Don't let a doctor tell you that marijuana isn't the answer, Prozac is. Because that is a sales pitch.

 

The doctor doesn't get any kickbacks from the marijuana producers.

 

It's funny you should say this though. I have an aunt that had several conditions including migrane headaches and some other stuff that she was seeing a neurologist for. She told the neurologist that she was self medicating with marijuana and it was working. The doctor wouldn't outright tell her to keep using marijuana, but did tell her to use the treatments that work for her.

 

Kinda like saying to use the marijuana without actually saying it.

[phreakwars]

The doctor doesn't get any kickbacks from the marijuana producers.

 

It's funny you should say this though. I have an aunt that had several conditions including migrane headaches and some other stuff that she was seeing a neurologist for. She told the neurologist that she was self medicating with marijuana and it was working. The doctor wouldn't outright tell her to keep using marijuana, but did tell her to use the treatments that work for her.

 

Kinda like saying to use the marijuana without actually saying it.

There probably wasn't much more he could say about it, except to possibly warn her of dangers from it's use, and if he personally didn't find any danger in the "self medicating", then he really couldn't speak out against it.

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[ImWithStupid]

There probably wasn't much more he could say about it, except to possibly warn her of dangers from it's use, and if he personally didn't find any danger in the "self medicating", then he really couldn't speak out against it.

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I think so, and I don't think the doctor wanted to openly tell my aunt to continue to do something illegal either.

[snafu]

In California you can get a medical marijuana card. A friend that lives in Marietta has one. He says the store to get it is pretty cool. You can get it in all different forms like in candy or pills. They also have different kinds and different strengths.

[snafu]

Also unlike other drugs and alcohol, the duration of the effect of marijuana is about two hours with no lag or ill effects afterwards. Taking drugs such as Prozac can have a profound effect when the patient stops taking the drug.

[snafu]

The doctor doesn't get any kickbacks from the marijuana producers.

 

It's funny you should say this though. I have an aunt that had several conditions including migrane headaches and some other stuff that she was seeing a neurologist for. She told the neurologist that she was self medicating with marijuana and it was working. The doctor wouldn't outright tell her to keep using marijuana, but did tell her to use the treatments that work for her.

 

Kinda like saying to use the marijuana without actually saying it.

 

Yes I have cronic cluster migranes. My doctor asked me if I smoked maijuana and I told him that I did at times. He asked me if it helped. I told him that it did for awhile but once it was out of my system it was worse. I had to keep smoking until the episode of the migrane was over.

[Jhony5]

I had severe nausea once when I was in my early twenties and decided to self medicate with marijuana, a known anti-nauseant. This could have caused serious harm, and possibly even killed me. As the severe nausea was a result of acute food poisoning. Suppressing the nausea counteracts the bodies natural process of vomiting to rid the body of the toxins.

 

The food poisoning was from a Burger King double cheeseburger. I know this because of the way I was assaulted biologically within an hour of ingesting the burger.

 

Just an example of self medicating gone wrong. What happened was a stop in the 15 minute vomit cycles I was experiencing followed by a sudden rise in fever. Luckily the realization of the mistake I was making dawned on me before I continued to smoke. I have heard of similar escalations of illness due to marijuana smoking in cases wherein people had acute alcohol poisoning.

 

Durrrrr.....

[RegisteredAndEducated]

I had severe nausea once when I was in my early twenties and decided to self medicate with marijuana, a known anti-nauseant. This could have caused serious harm, and possibly even killed me. As the severe nausea was a result of acute food poisoning. Suppressing the nausea counteracts the bodies natural process of vomiting to rid the body of the toxins.

 

The food poisoning was from a Burger King double cheeseburger. I know this because of the way I was assaulted biologically within an hour of ingesting the burger.

 

Just an example of self medicating gone wrong. What happened was a stop in the 15 minute vomit cycles I was experiencing followed by a sudden rise in fever. Luckily the realization of the mistake I was making dawned on me before I continued to smoke. I have heard of similar escalations of illness due to marijuana smoking in cases wherein people had acute alcohol poisoning.

 

Durrrrr.....

 

 

The last time I smoked pot... (like the 5th time ever and like 3 or more years ago) it made me puke... I think i just smoked too much too fast and it was too strong. I never really got into it like some people I know.

[Jhony5]

The last time I smoked pot... (like the 5th time ever and like 3 or more years ago) it made me puke... I think i just smoked too much too fast and it was too strong. I never really got into it like some people I know.

 

Yep. It can do that. Especially if you aren't tolerant to it and/or you smoke too much and/or it is a very strong strain.

 

That is why I laugh at the idiots that claim marijuana doesn't effect driving skills. I'm all for marijuana, but at least people should be realistic and honest when supporting it.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Yep. It can do that. Especially if you aren't tolerant to it and/or you smoke too much and/or it is a very strong strain.

 

That is why I laugh at the idiots that claim marijuana doesn't effect driving skills. I'm all for marijuana, but at least people should be realistic and honest when supporting it.

 

It's definitely an intoxicant. If it were made legal, they'd have to put the same types of laws on it as the ones that are on Alcohol.

[snafu]

Yeah because I don't do it daily and really not that often, I can only handle like a half a puff. If I do more I get paranoid. It amazing how much daily users can smoke.

[phreakwars]

Yeah because I don't do it daily and really not that often, I can only handle like a half a puff. If I do more I get paranoid. It amazing how much daily users can smoke.

I could never understand the morons (usually teenagers) bragging about how much they can and have smoked...all I can think is.. damn fool, you done wasted your money. But NOOOO, it's so cool that little Suzie can smoke all night long... wow.. yeah... impressive.. Sorry little Suzie, I hate to break the news to you, but if your smoking a damn 8th a night or more, your tolerance is too high. Someone who is actually using it to medicate themselves knows damn well a couple hits and you should be good for the whole damn night. And the ones who are doing it all the time, make it very apparent... I'm sorry but weed DOES make you stupid. You can take almost any given self proclaimed pot head teen and see how much dumber they are even when NOT high. I had no problems with the teens I had working for me that were stoners though. My rule was basically, I really don't give a damn what they are doing with their personal lives, but if I smell it on them, or see bloodshot eyes just once... ADIOS. Of course, this usually meant that I could expect several of them calling in "SICK", which more then likely meant a weed hangover, or they had plans to party some more and didn't feel like coming in. But when they did work, they all did a real good job.

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[Jhony5]

I'm sorry but weed DOES make you stupid.

Nuh uh it don't be not makes me stupids.

 

Actually, if you smoke heavily it will make you act stupid, temporarily. There is no evidence that heavy pot smoking makes you permanently "dumb". Overdosing on dopamines will make you dopey for as long as one continues to over-smoke.

 

I have a good friend that is incredibly intelligent, however he smokes very heavily, everyday. In school he was in the top 5 percentile in the state of Indiana. He is still very intelligent. We will watch Jeopardy and he just spits answers like he's reading from a cheat sheet. Although his short term memory is stunted to say the least. He forgets things that he says. He forgets things that I say. Ask him to grab a pencil, he walks 15 feet, stops, turns around "Hee hee uhhh what did I get up for"?

 

The big difference between a drunk and a pothead is that a pot head knows he/she is acting dumb, and a drunk doesn't realize it.

[timesjoke]

Actually, if you smoke heavily it will make you act stupid, temporarily. There is no evidence that heavy pot smoking makes you permanently "dumb". Overdosing on dopamines will make you dopey for as long as one continues to over-smoke.

 

I posted a couple studies early in the conversation that did prove a connection to slower learning and poor performance with long time pot smokers even when not stoned.

 

I am sure there are exceptions, but the average is what were talking about.

 

 

The big difference between a drunk and a pothead is that a pot head knows he/she is acting dumb, and a drunk doesn't realize it.

 

Knowing it or not mens little if their still acting stupid. In fact, knowing your acting stupid and still doing it is a tad worse if you ask me.

[Jhony5]

I posted a couple studies early in the conversation that did prove a connection to slower learning and poor performance with long time pot smokers even when not stoned.

 

My personal experience is that there is only a noticeable detrimental learning effect, in relation to marijuana, when teens and young adults use pot. This is due to the interference in cognitive learning and memory retention.

 

Fact is that many regular pot smokers are very intelligent. Professors and the like. Marijuana also contributes greatly to the arts.

 

I am sure there are exceptions, but the average is what were talking about.

I disagree. Some people are just stupid, this includes some pot smokers. People that make the choice to smoke pot all the time are generally stupid and often make stupid decisions concerning all sorts of matters. Stupid people do stupid things. Smart people can not only function at a high level when smoking, but benefit from it.

 

Knowing it or not means little if their still acting stupid. In fact, knowing your acting stupid and still doing it is a tad worse if you ask me.

 

At the end of the day, after the tussle of work and all that goes with it, I enjoy and benefit greatly from spending a few hours gettin stupid. Quite therapeutic if you ask me.

 

To give some focus to this discussion, why, exactly, do you think that marijuana should be illegal? Why do you think we should imprison pot smokers?

 

Why should we wage war on a plant that makes people feel better?

[phreakwars]

Gotta disagree dude. Stay off of weed for a long... and I mean long time, and your head starts to clear more then ever. I have no objections what so ever of it being legalized, but I'm not gonna call it the one and only all powerful great substance that I can glorify.

 

Weed slows down the stimulation in the place scientists are trying to regulate for us as we speak:

 

Scientists discover way to reverse loss of memory - Science, News - Independent.co.uk

 

A vital function and one that is vibrant in a teen/young adult.

 

I contend marijuana should not be used during those important years because of the memory and learning potential that needs to be stored.

 

After college though..... bring on the bong and lets get down to life !!

 

That switch that weed turns off in our brains does eventually turn on again by abstaining.

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