does god exist

[snafu]

LOL You right wing fundamentalist are really something else, but then again someone suffering from Anorexia can't see how thin they are, even when they look in a mirror... so why should anyone be surprised that a right winged fundamentalist can't see how ignorant and prejudiced they really are?

 

 

While doing some research I did find this article that seems to be talking about timesjoke;

 

No facts there. Just assumptions. Keep lookin..

[Guest webDressing]

Just assumptions. Keep lookin..

 

Hmmm... when was the last time I heard someone say something like that? ... oh wait, I know, it was in the movie called "The Wizard of Oz" when they first walk into where the wizard is, and Toto finds the wizard hiding behind the curtain and he says "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" LOL

[wez]

Hmmm... when was the last time I heard someone say something like that? ... oh wait, I know, it was in the movie called "The Wizard of Oz" when they first walk into where the wizard is, and Toto finds the wizard hiding behind the curtain and he says "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" LOL

 

 

Hahahaha... a classic.

[Guest webDressing]

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[snafu]

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Well you should be looking through the net for your facts, not what's behind the curtain. Listen up and you just might just get that brain scarecrow.

[Guest webDressing]

...not what's behind the curtain.

 

Yeah people like you certainly don't want anyone looking 'behind that curtain' huh?

[snafu]

Yeah people like you certainly don't want anyone looking 'behind that curtain' huh?

 

People like me? I don't believe you even know who I am...

Good guess though.

[Guest webDressing]

I don't believe you even know who I am...

 

Oh I think the good people here know more about 'you' than they want to know

[wez]

Oh I think the good people here know more about 'you' than they want to know

 

 

Snaf is a great guy. Open minded, very easy going... best of all, he's a real person in a sea of online deceit.. Snaf is good sh t..

[snafu]

Snaf is a great guy. Open minded, very easy going... best of all, he's a real person in a sea of online deceit.. Snaf is good sh t..

 

Thank you wez. I appreciate that.

[eddo]

Listen up and you just might just get that brain scarecrow.

 

heh heh heh, that one musta stung a bit, huh Webdressing?

 

 

Good one Snafu.

[timesjoke]

Only a fundamentalist would reply like that. Thank you for proving my point...

 

And only a narrow minded self-absorbed idiot would say that.

 

Currently gathering them, and when we are finished gathering them we will be more than happy to bury you with them. I know you don't know this BUT research takes time to gather, and I have a foundation to run and other daily matters to attend, and quite frankly, responding to some fundamentalist psychobabble nonsense is not high on the list. But they are coming, I assure you of that, I wouldn't miss revealing how ignorant you are for anything in the world

 

We?

 

We?

 

So my theory was true, your just vomiting up garbage your getting from other places or other people, that explains why your incapable of answering a straight question with anything but insults.

 

 

everything i am posting comes from the top of my mind, not from others, if your too stupid to post your own thoughts, your not worth my time.

 

You posted PROPAGANDA funded by the big oil companies. The only thing decisive about it was that it was comical.

 

Prove it.

 

All you have is empty words, I have over 300 studies and research papers all saying there is no man caused global warming, I tossed the easiest to understand at you and you flounder like a drunk man and fall back on your personal attacks.

 

Put up or shut up, prove this site and it's infomation is biased, or your simply garbage.

 

 

Guess what... we don't resort to such methods. If you walk like a duck and sound like a duck and we call you a duck, then that's NOT a 'personal attack' or an 'insult' - that's just exposing and airing the TRUTH about you! If you don't like the picture that's being painted, then maybe you should do a little soul searching and change the way that you are on the inside, and then honest people won't be able to say those things about you. Didn't you ever learn this lesson from watching the movie "A Christmas Carol"?

 

You seem to live your life through movies, many of your comparisones come from movies, maybe that is why you believe the movie Gore made, it is a movie right, it must be true.

 

But you do resort to lies and personal attacks, you have yet to post a single supported piece of information, all you do is talk big. I pin you down with a direct question or observation, you dodge the issue and toss personal attacks out in the hope of changing the subject, nice try but that only works with the very immature, you must not be very mature, or at least not used to talking with adults much.

 

 

See, HERE'S a PERFECT EXAMPLE... You are sooo off base and so delusional that you can't even get the fact that I'M NOT an atheist right. LOL I guess that's what happens when a person is so PREJUDICED like you are huh timesjoke? Here's a clue; skinheads can only see one thing too. In-fact every prejudiced person is limited to seeing the world in only one way, so why should YOUR PREJUDICE be any different, right timesjoke?

 

You are not what your words say but what your actions prove you to be.

 

You can "say" your not an athiest, but your actions and attacks clearly prove you are. Your intollerance proves you hate religion, so stop telling lies just to try and save face, we got you pegged already.

 

Why do you hate religion so much?

 

Hatred will ruin your life, love will make it better than you could ever imagine.

 

 

 

No big surprise there. You can't see anything BUT what your religion tells you to see. Boy, you walked right into that one...

 

More personal attacks I see, why are the intollerant so hung up with trying to classify everyone that does not agree with them as stupid or ignorant, or even brainwashed?

 

At any rate, I guess your in the same boat as Wez, so you will start getting the same childish replies you deserve.....

 

 

I know you are but what am I?

 

Don't be a bonehead, my organization was founded PRECISELY to help people in need. Just because I don't come here to advertise it doesn't mean that you hold the patent on helping.

 

More personal attacks, stop being a 3 year old, if you want anyone to talk to you as an adult, start acting like one.

 

Oh, I love the "my foundation" crap, nice touch, what foundation is that, the sit in your mom's basement eating cheesy poofs foundation?

 

UNlike you however, I try to help others as anonymously as possible, where as you have to remind others here that you "feed the poor" in every other post, to the point of being obnoxious. Oops... looks like YOU'RE getting something out of all of that "self-advertisement" huh timesjoke? Go ahead, say something else self-righteous, dig your hole a little deeper

 

My helping people is simply a fact, I offer my own examples of life to provide the definition of people who truly care about others. You attack my actions because you cannot provide the same example. It is an old tactic to bring others down when you cannot elivate yourself, but it is also a wast of time to try on me, I am immune to your childish personal attacks.

 

Wow... change - the cause - and that almost sounds like a quote from hitler or the KKK. Seriously, you need professional help before you start hurting people.

 

I know you are but what am I?

 

 

 

Another statement that is a BIG sign of prejudice. You're on a roll, you go girl...

 

I know you are but what am I?

 

 

 

Do you think it is possible you stop the school yard bully tactics and try providing some proof to back up your clims for a change?

 

 

Well you didn't need anthing else when you blindly accepted what your religion sold you, so why change now?

 

 

More prejudice... straight from the horses mouth. You're a perfect example of why God doesn't need religions.

 

More attacks, it seems your every post is dodging questions, dodging facts, dodging responsibility, claiming massive abilities and knowledge but never once posting a darn thing to back up your many claims.

 

Your a waste of air my friend.

 

 

I don?t know why you bother with him TJ. He?ll just keep going around in circles, making no sense what so ever.

 

Your most likely right, he is now looking like Wez with the way he never answers a direct question and uses personal attacks to try and change the subject, but I decided to give him a little push and see what he had because he came in here with such an overbearing attitude.

 

You see, if he could have backed up even one of his wild claims, I would have given him a little respect but being as he has insulted anyone who has not agreed with him and he uses personal attacks as a crutch to hide his stupidity, I have decided he is most likely just another internet warrier who lives in his mother's basement and "pretends" to be important or smart because in the real world, he is nothing and most likely close to slitting his own wrists.

 

 

 

 

One last challenge Web, I am calling you out.

 

 

You have claimed the link I offered is biased and paid by the oil companies to lie, so here is your last chance with me to save face.

 

I want real proof, not just empty words, but real and solid proof to back up your claim.

 

 

Time to put up or shut up.

 

If you cannot prove the site has received money to lie, your nothing more then a lier yourself, and not worth my time.

[hugo]

Why is it atheists are almost always liberals?

 

Why did the Earth cool between 1940 and 1975?

[timesjoke]

While were at it, let's just put a few more nils in the coffin:

 

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.

 

 

Great movie:

 

 

Friends of Science

 

 

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[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

I cannot believe you don't understand the concept of how big money people use these large donation to "make" money.?

 

So then, if Atheists donate money to charity, they have really just acted selfishly. The same then is true for Theists.

 

So why do you kep stating how good and generous Christians are when they donate? Surely they have done nothing commendable either.

 

 

I

f I give you a dollar from my posket to help you buy a meal, that is charity, if a multibillion dollar person gives you a dollar, it is because he is making two dollars in return, that is not charity. It falls to what the intent to give the money is.

 

And if I an Atheist give you a dolar for a meal, then that is charity of course And if a multibillion dollar Theist gives me a dollar it is similarly nothing at all, because its really not charity either. So of course Christians are not the holy joes they would like to think, but no better or worse than Atheists. It works both ways TJ

 

But of course you have some other bull for us on this one.

 

No he did not, but even if he did,

 

More confused ramblings.

 

Children can learn intollerance from hearing the intollerant adults like you speak.

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What hypocritical nonsense. Go read your holy books for intolerance. Genocide, murder torture etc Deuteronomy is just full of it.

 

 

If you use a general term in a negative way to describe all religious people, and you know I am religious, then you are calling me names.?

 

The only term I have used to describe religious people is Theists Christians etc Thats not name calling .

 

The only exceptions I ever make are for Islam and muslims

 

Most charity boxes in stores are not real charities, less then 10% of those donations ever make it to real charities, most of the money goes in the pockets of those running the scams.?

 

What has this got to do with it ? Stick with your dumb argument that when Christians give to charity they are doing good, wheras when Atheists do the same it means nothing at all

 

Most charity donations come from Christians, ad to that the workers actually doing the work are all Christians, and you start to see who really cares about helping society. Charity is inherently a Christian concept. As you guys already said, your not social, so you don't feel the connection to society the way religious people do.?

 

Nonsense, it is the general public that fill begging bowls.

 

Charity is not a Christian concept. Hinduism is much older and has a tradition of giving to others. So does Buddhism and many other religions. Atheists also give.

 

No one said that Atheists are not social. Go back and get someone to read it slowly to you .

 

The few times you see real charity collectors is the salvation army for example. The person ringing the bell is Christian, the group is run by Christians, the people doing the managing and supply are Christians, the final distribution is handles by Christians........?

 

And the people filling he bowls and envelopes are the general public

 

 

 

Do you see a pattern forming?

 

No I see the same old thing. A guy so full of nonsense, and determined to remain ignorant of the real state of things.

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

It's a little thing that open-minded/educated people call facts. Here's a link for your consideration. Pack a lunch

 

 

Do you believe that religious groups are taxed? It must be nice to be so narrow-minded timesjoke. You see ONLY what you want to see. Weird.

 

 

Don't take this the wrong way but I can't stand ignorance. I'm not talking about people that simply don't know this or that fact... I'm talking about people like you timesjoke that go out of their way to BLOCK the truth or the facts, just so that "their" point of view looks good to them. So, knowing ahead of time that you are completely closed-minded and immune from admitting the facts - the rest of this post will not be intended for you. It will be for those who want to know the truth, and learn the facts.

 

What timesjoke doesn't want you to know, is that there are countless amounts of people who are atheist that donate from the heart. They do not 'band together' into groups like religions do, and they do not advertise their charitable works like regions do, but they donate from the heart just the same. Here is a partial list of many such individuals who just happen to also be atheist. But it goes MUCH further than that though. There are a few organizations formed by atheists for the sole purpose of donating to those in need. One such organization is called S.H.A.R.E. - Secular Humanist Aid and Relief Effort. Here is a recent story about them helping those in need. So, when someone like timesjoke tries to convince you that 'only religions' donate or help those in need, you will now know that it's simply not true, and that people from all beliefs, even those that don't believe in God, help others in need and donate from their hearts, because they know it's the right thing to do for their fellow man in need.

 

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OK timesjoke you can continue reading the rest of this thread, but please stop whining. It's starting to make you look like the 'Joker' from the Batman series...

 

TJ must seem a bit weird to you web, but I've seen it all before. There are just two relevant things for him., what his group has told him to believe, and what others believe.

 

For TJ the first is truth itself. The second if not in agreement with his group is falsehood. He lost the power of individual thought long ago.

 

It is one of the worst cases of child abuse that I have ever seen. And like most abusee's he sticks up for his abuser

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

I don?t know why you bother with him TJ. He?ll just keep going around in circles, making no sense what so ever.

 

He makes good sense. A well informed guy who posts good points as well as facts.

 

You cant argue facts.

 

Now beliefs, religion and fancies areother things

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

Snaf is a great guy. Open minded, very easy going... best of all, he's a real person in a sea of online deceit.. Snaf is good sh t..

 

 

Yes I'll second that. Snaf is an OK guy. But I think the god fever has him bit

[Guest sheik-yerbouti]

Why is it atheists are almost always liberals?

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Not me, I cant stand liberals.

[wez]

TJ must seem a bit weird to you web, but I've seen it all before. There are just two relevant things for him., what his group has told him to believe, and what others believe.

 

For TJ the first is truth itself. The second if not in agreement with his group is falsehood. He lost the power of individual thought long ago.

 

It is one of the worst cases of child abuse that I have ever seen. And like most abusee's he sticks up for his abuser

 

 

Sheiks right WD.. but don't worry, after TJ beats you up, boils your dog, and sticks a gun in your face, you'll see just how right he is..

 

hahahahaha.. that wizard photoshop is a riot.. just another day at the office..

[timesjoke]

So then, if Atheists donate money to charity, they have really just acted selfishly. The same then is true for Theists.

 

So why do you kep stating how good and generous Christians are when they donate? Surely they have done nothing commendable either.

 

Again, as I keep saying over and over, charity is not in the wallet, it is in the intent.

 

 

And if I an Atheist give you a dolar for a meal, then that is charity of course And if a multibillion dollar Theist gives me a dollar it is similarly nothing at all, because its really not charity either. So of course Christians are not the holy joes they would like to think, but no better or worse than Atheists. It works both ways TJ

 

No it does not, your trying to make the massive amounts of assistance given to society, and even the whole world by religious groups sound the same as tossing a dollar into a jar on the counter at your local 7-11, and your dead wrong.

 

Only religious people do anything real to help others, this is fact.

 

 

 

 

More confused ramblings.

 

I agree, maybe you should get some rest so your not so jumbled.

 

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What hypocritical nonsense. Go read your holy books for intolerance. Genocide, murder torture etc Deuteronomy is just full of it.

 

Just like the largest genocide ever done was by Athiest leaders.

 

 

 

The only term I have used to describe religious people is Theists Christians etc Thats not name calling .

 

The only exceptions I ever make are for Islam and muslims

 

No, you talk of brainwashing and stuff all the time too. You offer up anyone who believes in religion as bad and attack them if they dare to assert themselves.

 

Your intollerant, I have never called you names but you try to say I'm ignorant, stupid, blind, anything you can think of to put me down, but you cannot offer even one shread of proof to show an Athiest giving aid in places like Darfur, and that is your problem.

 

 

Athiest followers cannot show themselves to be good, so they try to bring down the good done by religion, your a textbook case of how athiests are tearing away at the fabric of society.

 

 

What has this got to do with it ? Stick with your dumb argument that when Christians give to charity they are doing good, wheras when Atheists do the same it means nothing at all

 

I have yet to see any real proof that the average athiest has ever donated to anything, sure, I will admit there are some rich ones doing it for tax breaks, but you still cannot offer anything but empty words, to speak for the "average" athiest follower.

 

 

Nonsense, it is the general public that fill begging bowls.

 

Is that so?

 

And who do you think the "general public" is anyway?

 

Most studies show between 80 and 90% of America are religious to some degree. Add to that the average Athiest truly hates anything to do with religion (as your own attacks here clearly proves) so I would find it difficult to believe anyone would give money to things (like a begging bowl) they hate because that would promote the religious group, two and two together tells me that it is very unlikely that any of the donations from the "general public" are from athiests.

 

Charity is not a Christian concept. Hinduism is much older and has a tradition of giving to others. So does Buddhism and many other religions. Atheists also give.

 

Charity of the kind we are discussing is, how many hindu or budda orphanages can you name around the world?

 

How many atheist run orphanages can you name?

 

 

No one said that Atheists are not social. Go back and get someone to read it slowly to you .

 

Web said it, was he wrong?

 

 

And the people filling he bowls and envelopes are the general public

 

Covered above, the "general public" is mostly religious, the athiests hate anything to do with religion and are trying to abolish religion anywhere they can, why would they then help finance religion?

 

You said it yourself, you called them "begging bowls", that is clear contempt for the collection, why would anyone give to something they have such contempt for?

 

That does not compute, lol.

 

 

 

 

No I see the same old thing. A guy so full of nonsense, and determined to remain ignorant of the real state of things.

 

You keep talking about what is real or fact but you offer nothing to support your claims about the average athiest helping others. Sure, I can admit that there is always an exception to every rule, and I am sure there are a few athiests that do not attack religion the way you do, but what I am speaking on is the "average" example of our two groups.

 

On average, religious people tend to care about other people, we give to our community while I have never heard of a single athiest helping anyone in my community. In fact, while I offer my own experiences, you guys don't have any examples to offer of your own.

 

 

 

Instead of putting so much effort into lashing out against religion, why not join forces with us and attack some real problems in the world, and even in our own back yards. I deliver hot meals every other week because I feel the personal touch to brighten a person's day is very fullfilling.

 

Hands on care and concern for the community, you should give it a try.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Concerning your seperate personal attacks on me, there you go again showing your intolerance, while we both disagree, only you turn to personal attacks, like you must tear away at my character to somehow prove your point as valid. If you feel your possitions are so weak you must resort to tactics like this, maybe you should evaluate them a little closer, insecurity is the first sign you know your wrong.

 

 

 

I was mostly pushing Web because he came out the gates here swinging at people, calling them names and acting superior, I know there are a few like you who help a little, but your not the norm, your the exception. I know it must be irritating to see all athiests tossed into a bundle but think how I feel with you guys calling all religious believers names like brainwashed and child abuse. That movie web said was good simply trashed all religion and called all of us bad. Athiests tend to rend and tear at what we hold dear, all we want is to preserve our right our our faith.

 

 

I tossed down a challenge with Web demanding he back up his claim the report I posted was biased and paid for by oil companies to lie, we will see if he can back that claim up, if not he is simply blowing hot air.

[hugo]

Not me, I cant stand liberals.

 

You are the rare exception. While not religious myself I am glad most people are, because the average atheist has traded worship of god for worship of the state.

[timesjoke]

You are the rare exception. While not religious myself I am glad most people are, because the average atheist has traded worship of god for worship of the state.

 

Well said.

[Feckless Wench]

I don't believe in the Christian God, but I would never tell anyone that they were wrong to do so. Each man is entitled to his own reality.

[Anna Perenna]

there are countless amounts of people who are atheist that donate from the heart. They do not 'band together' into groups like religions do, and they do not advertise their charitable works like regions do, but they donate from the heart just the same. Here is a partial list of many such individuals who just happen to also be atheist. But it goes MUCH further than that though. There are a few organizations formed by atheists for the sole purpose of donating to those in need. One such organization is called S.H.A.R.E. - Secular Humanist Aid and Relief Effort. Here is a recent story about them helping those in need. So, when someone like timesjoke tries to convince you that 'only religions' donate or help those in need, you will now know that it's simply not true, and that people from all beliefs, even those that don't believe in God, help others in need and donate from their hearts, because they know it's the right thing to do for their fellow man in need.

 

I don't know any truly kind, generous, and helpful people who call themselves Christians. I wish I did, but I don't.

 

I do know many truly kind, generous and helpful Atheists, though.

 

I suppose it just depends on who you know. I guess someone on this forum doesn't know (or even know of) any nice Atheists, which is a shame for them.