timesjoke Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 With recent talks of abortion, I though this was a great story about holding life as important: FOXNews.com - Mother Delays Cancer Treatments So Baby Can Live - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News Here we see a mother facing a decision to kill her beby and "possibly" save herself, or save the life of her baby, and lose her own life. Under the best of cases, she would get the cancer cured and continue life but how many years would she have and what if the cancer did not go into remission? By allowing her son to live, he has a full lifetime ahead of him, who knows what he will bring to the world, but we know his death would have offered nothing to the world. Sure, he and his siblings will grow up without a mother and this is a bad thing even with the best Dad in the world, but he and his siblings will also know their mother gave her life for his, and this will be a great example to the kids that some things have value greater than ourselves. Quote
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 With recent talks of abortion, I though this was a great story about holding life as important: FOXNews.com - Mother Delays Cancer Treatments So Baby Can Live - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News Here we see a mother facing a decision to kill her beby and "possibly" save herself, or save the life of her baby, and lose her own life. Under the best of cases, she would get the cancer cured and continue life but how many years would she have and what if the cancer did not go into remission? By allowing her son to live, he has a full lifetime ahead of him, who knows what he will bring to the world, but we know his death would have offered nothing to the world. Sure, he and his siblings will grow up without a mother and this is a bad thing even with the best Dad in the world, but he and his siblings will also know their mother gave her life for his, and this will be a great example to the kids that some things have value greater than ourselves. it's called love. Quote Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
snafu Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 That just breaks my heart. She is in the advanced stage of cancer so I would say it was a good call but I wouldn't have blamed her for having the abortion. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
timesjoke Posted January 25, 2008 Author Posted January 25, 2008 That just breaks my heart. She is in the advanced stage of cancer so I would say it was a good call but I wouldn't have blamed her for having the abortion. It is heart breaking and it makes me value my time with my kids more and more. This woman was the very definition of love as Brotherman said. With 1.2 million children being killed every year in just America, it is truly incredible to see a story like this, I am humbled. Quote
RegisteredAndEducated Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 That just breaks my heart. She is in the advanced stage of cancer so I would say it was a good call but I wouldn't have blamed her for having the abortion. Difficult decision for me I'm sure. For her? I doubt she even batted at eye. It seems that the love for her child will be with him forever. I feel bad for her husband and other children. This child received the kind of love that is closest to the kind that Jesus showed for us all. It is heart breaking and it makes me value my time with my kids more and more. This woman was the very definition of love as Brotherman said. With 1.2 million children being killed every year in just America, it is truly incredible to see a story like this, I am humbled. I figured you'd get what I meant. Ultimate love. If you'd give your own life for another. It's amazing. Quote Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
ImWithStupid Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 Not to take away from this person too much, but I see this as an easy choice. If she is in advanced stages of cancer, of course she should try to do what is best for her unborn child. I personally know a perfectly healthy person who was going into labor way too early for the child to survive and the doctors wanted to give her some medicine that would make it easier on her but might harm her unborn child and she chose to be in a state of both pain, agony and possible harm to herself to not take the medication that might harm her child. She would be the better candidate for this kind of admiration. With that said, Kudos to this woman. Quote
timesjoke Posted January 26, 2008 Author Posted January 26, 2008 Not to take away from this person too much, but I see this as an easy choice. If she is in advanced stages of cancer, of course she should try to do what is best for her unborn child. Well, I don't believe it is fair to sy her choice was easy, it is very difficult to face ones ending with such a calm mind, most struggle and fight their fate, but she was able to overcome her self preservation instincts and had her life to her child. I personally know a perfectly healthy person who was going into labor way too early for the child to survive and the doctors wanted to give her some medicine that would make it easier on her but might harm her unborn child and she chose to be in a state of both pain, agony and possible harm to herself to not take the medication that might harm her child. She would be the better candidate for this kind of admiration. With that said, Kudos to this woman. I don't know if it is fair to compare a woman giving her life to a woman just dealing with pain and no possible death ahead of her. The story was not clear but I am sure her advancing cancer had some pain to go with it. Pain can be overcome. With the right mental discipline, you can completely turn off pain from areas of your body, I have done it. But, there is no way to escape death. I hate to dissagree with you, but clearly facing pain, and facing death is two completely different kinds of courage/strength. Quote
snafu Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 You can't take away the courage of either one. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
timesjoke Posted January 26, 2008 Author Posted January 26, 2008 You can't take away the courage of either one. I agree, but it is like saying a hotdog and a steak are both a good meal. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted January 26, 2008 Posted January 26, 2008 Well, I don't believe it is fair to sy her choice was easy, it is very difficult to face ones ending with such a calm mind, most struggle and fight their fate, but she was able to overcome her self preservation instincts and had her life to her child. I guess if it were me, it would be an easy decision. I don't know if it is fair to compare a woman giving her life to a woman just dealing with pain and no possible death ahead of her. The story was not clear but I am sure her advancing cancer had some pain to go with it. Pain can be overcome. With the right mental discipline, you can completely turn off pain from areas of your body, I have done it. But, there is no way to escape death. I hate to dissagree with you, but clearly facing pain, and facing death is two completely different kinds of courage/strength. I guess I forgot to say that there were more complications other then the early labor and there was a chance that she could have died, also without the medications they wanted to give her, as a result of the complications. I'm not sure what all was wrong at this time, because it was about 11 years ago and I was told when I visited her in the hospital but I can't remember now. Quote
timesjoke Posted January 26, 2008 Author Posted January 26, 2008 I guess if it were me, it would be an easy decision. It would be easy for me as well, but I was compring her decision to the apparent condition of "modern" attitudes. When we kill 1.2 million babies every year for mostly selfish reasons, it seems somewhat special to see real examples of love like this these days. I guess I forgot to say that there were more complications other then the early labor and there was a chance that she could have died, also without the medications they wanted to give her, as a result of the complications. I'm not sure what all was wrong at this time, because it was about 11 years ago and I was told when I visited her in the hospital but I can't remember now. And I am sure her situation was harsh, but a "possibility" of death compared to the surity of death is still something completely different. Are you trying to say the advanced cancer was painless? All I am trying to say is there are degrees and this mother gave up her life, eyes wide open and fully understanding. I must give this a higher degree of respect becauase the surity of death has a higher pressure than the small chance of death you describe. Both situations would have severe pain, in fact, many of the most powerful pain medications are reserved for patients with things like terminal cancer. With the "possibility" of death, there is always hope, hope you can concentrate on. Anyway, I just wanted to show respect to this woman, I feel her sacrifice was an example to us all, well............. those of us who respect life that is. Peace. Quote
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