Urine test for Welfare?

[eddo]

e-mail I received:

THE JOB- URINE TEST

 

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.

 

I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.

In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test (with which I have no problem.)

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.

 

Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ASS, doing drugs, while I work.

 

Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

[timesjoke]

That has to be one of the best ideas I have heard to curb welfare abuse.

 

 

I agree 100%, if they can afford to abuse drugs, they don't need welfare.

[wez]

I also agree.. Every federal and state government employee as well as every employee/executive/owner working for private industry dependent upon our tax dollars should be tested every 2 days.

 

We should also paparazzi these bastards around and keep a constant eye on them instead of Brittney, Paris, and Lindsey..

[snafu]

I have to agree with this one too. Maybe we should start a petition.

[timesjoke]

I also agree.. Every federal and state government employee as well as every employee/executive/owner working for private industry dependent upon our tax dollars should be tested every 2 days.

 

We should also paparazzi these bastards around and keep a constant eye on them instead of Brittney, Paris, and Lindsey..

 

Testing every two days is not needed and is typical of how you liberals always go overboard on everything.

 

Mixing up testing methods like somethimes doing hair samples without warning are much better and would keep the price of testing at a bare minimum.

[eddo]

Testing every two days is not needed and is typical of how you liberals always go overboard on everything.

 

I don't want to get nitpicky, but why does it have to be "you Liberals"? Can't you just make it "liberals" so my thread won't turn into a continuation of the same crap from the other threads?

 

 

I think a petition is a great idea. And the drug testing should most definitely be random.

[wez]

I don't want to get nitpicky, but why does it have to be "you Liberals"? Can't you just make it "liberals" so my thread won't turn into a continuation of the same crap from the other threads?

 

 

I think a petition is a great idea. And the drug testing should most definitely be random.

 

Randomly every 2 days for those in charge of handling and living large off all those funds would be great in my opinion, as cocaine, meth, etc.. and everything but marijuana disappears in no time..

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Random drug tests (blood, urine, and hair) should be given to everyone who is on welfare. Great idea.

[ImWithStupid]

e-mail I received:

THE JOB- URINE TEST

 

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.

 

I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.

In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test (with which I have no problem.)

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.

 

Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ASS, doing drugs, while I work.

 

Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

 

I have advocated this for several years. I have commented on it on this board, GF and other boards that I go on. I personally think it should go one step further.

 

Welfare as it is today is in horrible shape. I might be conservative but I understand that people go through hard times and some social programs are good. The problem is they are "Government" programs. These programs are designed to help people so they can get back on their feet. The problem is we have generation after generation that grow up on and continue to live on welfare. Why would you improve yourself if the government will give you what you need.

 

When someone goes on welfare they should have an assessment of their situation and a plan of action that they are expected to make efforts to accomplish goals. If progress isn't being made, they should be accountable to give a damned good, documented reason, for why not. If they can't or the progress isn't even being attempted, then they should start to loose benefits.

 

As far as the drug testing goes, they should have to test negative for any controlled substance unless prescribed by a doctor and if they are in a possition that they can't support themselves or themselves and their children then there should be mandatory birth control (the shot, norplant, etc...), something you don't have to trust they will take between welfare checks to ensure that the burdon doesn't increase on either the welfare recipiant or society. This would continue until they can provide for themselves and their current family.

[wez]

This would continue until they can provide for themselves and their current family.

 

That would be a big expansion over current laws.. 5 years maxium for life it is now, I believe. No more than 2 years in a row..

[RegisteredAndEducated]

I have advocated this for several years. I have commented on it on this board, GF and other boards that I go on. I personally think it should go one step further.

 

Welfare as it is today is in horrible shape. I might be conservative but I understand that people go through hard times and some social programs are good. The problem is they are "Government" programs. These programs are designed to help people so they can get back on their feet. The problem is we have generation after generation that grow up on and continue to live on welfare. Why would you improve yourself if the government will give you what you need.

 

When someone goes on welfare they should have an assessment of their situation and a plan of action that they are expected to make efforts to accomplish goals. If progress isn't being made, they should be accountable to give a damned good, documented reason, for why not. If they can't or the progress isn't even being attempted, then they should start to loose benefits.

 

As far as the drug testing goes, they should have to test negative for any controlled substance unless prescribed by a doctor and if they are in a possition that they can't support themselves or themselves and their children then there should be mandatory birth control (the shot, norplant, etc...), something you don't have to trust they will take between welfare checks to ensure that the burdon doesn't increase on either the welfare recipiant or society. This would continue until they can provide for themselves and their current family.

 

I pretty much agree with all of this. There has got to be some big changes. And population control and drug use control among the empoverished is a great place to start.

[ImWithStupid]

That would be a big expansion over current laws.. 5 years maxium for life it is now, I believe. No more than 2 years in a row..

 

Yea right. There are still generation after generation on welfare.

 

My point was to recieve benefits at all they should be subject to drug tests before getting benefits and should not be able to have more kids until they are self reliant.

 

If I'm not mistaken, I think the Veterans Affairs offices refuse financial aid to people who abuse drugs or have drug convictions. Why can't the welfare system.

[timesjoke]

If I'm not mistaken, I think the Veterans Affairs offices refuse financial aid to people who abuse drugs or have drug convictions. Why can't the welfare system.

 

Because the entire reason for welfare is to buy votes, the same reason liberals fight any requirement to show identity when voting, the same reason both Hillary and Barak are promising more free money if they get elected.

 

Who do you think the welfare getting drug addict is going to vote for, the liberal wanting to increase their free checks, or the conservative trying to cut it?

[ImWithStupid]

Because the entire reason for welfare is to buy votes, the same reason liberals fight any requirement to show identity when voting, the same reason both Hillary and Barak are promising more free money if they get elected.

 

Who do you think the welfare getting drug addict is going to vote for, the liberal wanting to increase their free checks, or the conservative trying to cut it?

 

Exactly TJ. We are on exactly the same page. Just like I always say. The Dems promise to give handouts to the poor, the minorities and the downtrodden to "buy" their votes.

 

The conservatives want these people to learn to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps. Who do you think they are gonna vote for. The conservatives who want them to work for what they want or the liberals who promise to give them what they want for free.

 

Duhh.

[eddo]

Because the entire reason for welfare is to buy votes, the same reason liberals fight any requirement to show identity when voting, the same reason both Hillary and Barak are promising more free money if they get elected.

 

Who do you think the welfare getting drug addict is going to vote for, the liberal wanting to increase their free checks, or the conservative trying to cut it?

Exactly TJ. We are on exactly the same page. Just like I always say. The Dems promise to give handouts to the poor, the minorities and the downtrodden to "buy" their votes.

 

The conservatives want these people to learn to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps. Who do you think they are gonna vote for. The conservatives who want them to work for what they want or the liberals who promise to give them what they want for free.

 

Duhh.

 

Double-exactly here.

[wez]

Is Bush trying to garner the Hispanic vote for right wing extremists by handing money over to llegals through a different, and much, much costlier route?

 

 

 

Disclaimer: Wez does not think the federal government should be in charge of doling out money to anyone except the bare minumum essential services to accommadate the population. And the only things included at that level should be National Defense.. legitimate national defense.. in my opinion. The rest is better left to those closest to the unique situations and populations of communities..