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[ImWithStupid]

The following is from a PM by TJ. Since I can't trust him to not claim I said something I didn't in a post, I will respond here.

 

 

 

Look, I don't know why you have a hardon for me but this is getting rediclious.

 

That entire line of crap you posted against me was based on your "assumption" of innocent intent bt Wez, and we all know Wez does not act that way.

 

I have nothing against you personally. I assumed nothing. I even said that wez usually is the one who goes off the grid and he was fine with that, but in the thread in question, you made the first personal attack. This was even noticed in another thread where you were called out for saying, "you liberals" instead of just liberals by another poster.

 

He is the well poisoner here, and if you keep refusing to take decisive action against him, it will just keep getting worse.

 

 

If you truly care, you will act, if you don't care, you will keep blaming people like me, but remember, Wez has been this way everywhere he goes. He has always been the instigator and his "I'm not you" crap is about as childish as it gets.

 

 

Your feeding his sickness by protecting him when he started the mess in the first place.

 

wez has been talked to. he was doing fine until you decided to throw in the whole, "he doesn't ever know what he's talking about." crap.

 

You think you can lash back about being labled a liberal but he should just let this go?

 

I am willing to bury the hatchet with you as long as your willing to stop laming everyone else for what Wez causes.

 

There is no hatchet to bury. I was intervening whe a thread was spiraling the wrong way and even eddo, who usually backs you against wez agreed.

 

I have no personal agenda against you.

 

You provoked this one, there hadn't been one since I spoke to wez in a PM, even with eddo, or Brotherman, but you can't seem to be the one to let it go and move on.

[timesjoke]

Being as Wez just admitted he did intend that post as an attack, I guess that means everythign you just said is wrong.

 

 

If you took the time to read the posts before posting that you could have saved this embarassment.

 

Now what, do you finally admit Wez was the problem and tell me your sorry or continue to defend him?

[wez]

Being as Wez just admitted he did intend that post as an attack, I guess that means everythign you just said is wrong.

 

 

If you took the time to read the posts before posting that you could have saved this embarassment.

 

Now what, do you finally admit Wez was the problem and tell me your sorry or continue to defend him?

 

 

Your insane.. here's my reply from the post where snaf was instigating, thus, attacking me, which is now gone.

 

 

 

Children also believe in things like the tooth fairy and Santa, trying to say children understand you is not really saying much.

 

At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" He called a child, whom he put among them, and said, "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever becomes humble like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me." Matthew 18:1-5

 

 

Your public stands on every topic discussed so far show you lean mostly liberal whule people like me and Brotherman are clearly conservative.

 

No double standard, just calling it like it is.

 

So the f ck what? What right does that afford you and deny me? If you want to define yourself as a f cking word, go ahead, I don't need you judging, labeling, and looking down your nose on me, hypocrite.

 

 

 

 

You are a liberal, you believe in the robin hood concept of taking from the rich to give to you. You believe a woman has the right to kill a baby, you are for surrender in Iraq, you hate the military, the list goes on and on but all of these thingsa are liberal, not conservative.

 

I think all that? You said it.. I guess I do..

 

Hahahahaha.. Surrender to who? Saddams dead, idiot. If I hate militaries, doesn't mean I hate the people sucked into them.. I forgive people, remember?

 

 

 

I know you are but what am I?

 

A word?

 

 

 

Defending you is exactly what he did. He clearly said you did not mean to say I was a liberal and instead he assumed you meant to call me a liberatarian. You need to take some courses in comprenhension.

 

No matter how many times you repeat it, it'll never become truth.

 

 

 

No.

 

Were the 9/11 Hijackers mindless murderers?

 

 

No, in fact in many cases, the ones doing the cooking was fellow Jews.

 

Are you an anti semite? The Holocaust never happened? Jews just decided to storm German concentration camps and start cooking each other?

[ImWithStupid]

Being as Wez just admitted he did intend that post as an attack, I guess that means everythign you just said is wrong.

 

 

If you took the time to read the posts before posting that you could have saved this embarassment.

 

Now what, do you finally admit Wez was the problem and tell me your sorry or continue to defend him?

 

I said that I interpreted his response one way and didn't respond, Old Salt asked for clarification, and even Brotherman asked for clarification.

 

You on the otherhand resorted to personal attacks.

[wez]

I don't even know what a libertarian is.. I only see individual people. If I'm a liberal, in the world according to TJ, for wanting to do away with socialist government programs, so was TJ.. It was his damn label.. What the hell is the matter with you? YOU CALLED YOU A LIBERAL. Have you ever once seen me call anyone a f cking liberal? Didn't think so..

 

Never called anyone a liberal in my life..

 

 

You are what you hate and that is why you hate it. ~ wez

 

 

 

Hey TJ.. how should we punish people that go around personally attacking people by calling them a liberal?

[timesjoke]

Your insane.. here's my reply from the post where snaf was instigating, thus, attacking me, which is now gone.

 

It is gone because IWS does not want proff of your admission of starting the attacks public.

 

 

 

So the f ck what? What right does that afford you and deny me? If you want to define yourself as a f cking word, go ahead, I don't need you judging, labeling, and looking down your nose on me, hypocrite.

 

If the problem is with everyone else, why is it always you who is using the profanity?

 

You prove your the well poisoner more and more with every post Wez, maybe somebody will start to take notice of this fact one day.

 

 

I think all that? You said it.. I guess I do..

 

You do, I would post your comments doing things like attacking soldiers and stuff but you would just say it was me saying what you said.

 

Hahahahaha.. Surrender to who? Saddams dead, idiot. If I hate militaries, doesn't mean I hate the people sucked into them.. I forgive people, remember?

 

If you forgive them why call them all mindless killers?

 

 

A word?

 

If anything a concept, not just a word.

 

Remember, shades of gray.

 

 

 

No matter how many times you repeat it, it'll never become truth.

 

It is the truth, he may have hidden it from view but he clearly said you meant to call me a liberatarian, that you did not mean to call me a liberal. Your admitting you did call me a liberal proved you started it, not me, and that put him in a very bad possition.

 

 

Were the 9/11 Hijackers mindless murderers?

 

No, how many times do you need to be instructed that there is no such thing as a mindless killer. The very notion implies people are puppets, incapable of knowing right from wrong.

 

 

Are you an anti semite? The Holocaust never happened? Jews just decided to storm German concentration camps and start cooking each other?

 

How in the hell do you live being so stupid, yes that was a personal attack, but also an honest question.

 

Fellow Jews did much of the gassing and burning of the bodies of fellow Jews, this is fact. They were acting under the direction of the germans to be sure, but they still did the work.

 

Again, your falling victim of not truly knowing what your talking about, try reading up a little. Start with looking up Dr. Josef Mengele and work from there.

 

 

 

I said that I interpreted his response one way and didn't respond, Old Salt asked for clarification, and even Brotherman asked for clarification.

 

You on the otherhand resorted to personal attacks.

 

And Wez has admitted his comment was not innocent and instead he did mean it as an attack on me, so he did make the first attack, not me.

 

Your assumption of what you "thought" he said was wrong, and all the following postsa you made against me was also wrong.

 

 

The question is, what do you do now?

 

Keep saying you "thought" his comment was innocent or admit you were wrong?

[wez]

It is gone because IWS does not want proff of your admission of starting the attacks public.

 

 

 

 

 

If the problem is with everyone else, why is it always you who is using the profanity?

 

You prove your the well poisoner more and more with every post Wez, maybe somebody will start to take notice of this fact one day.

 

 

 

 

You do, I would post your comments doing things like attacking soldiers and stuff but you would just say it was me saying what you said.

 

 

 

If you forgive them why call them all mindless killers?

 

 

 

 

If anything a concept, not just a word.

 

Remember, shades of gray.

 

 

 

 

 

It is the truth, he may have hidden it from view but he clearly said you meant to call me a liberatarian, that you did not mean to call me a liberal. Your admitting you did call me a liberal proved you started it, not me, and that put him in a very bad possition.

 

 

 

 

No, how many times do you need to be instructed that there is no such thing as a mindless killer. The very notion implies people are puppets, incapable of knowing right from wrong.

 

 

 

 

How in the hell do you live being so stupid, yes that was a personal attack, but also an honest question.

 

Fellow Jews did much of the gassing and burning of the bodies of fellow Jews, this is fact. They were acting under the direction of the germans to be sure, but they still did the work.

 

Again, your falling victim of not truly knowing what your talking about, try reading up a little. Start with looking up Dr. Josef Mengele and work from there.

 

 

 

 

 

And Wez has admitted his comment was not innocent and instead he did mean it as an attack on me, so he did make the first attack, not me.

 

Your assumption of what you "thought" he said was wrong, and all the following postsa you made against me was also wrong.

 

 

The question is, what do you do now?

 

Keep saying you "thought" his comment was innocent or admit you were wrong?

 

 

Snafs post TJ.. not mine.. Go look at my previous post and wake the f ck up..

[ImWithStupid]

It is gone because IWS does not want proff of your admission of starting the attacks public.

 

I intended to move it to the Free for All Forum and it dissappeared. Don't know where it went. I've never hidden anything in my life.

 

And Wez has admitted his comment was not innocent and instead he did mean it as an attack on me, so he did make the first attack, not me.

 

Your assumption of what you "thought" he said was wrong, and all the following postsa you made against me was also wrong.

 

I admitted on several occasions that I interpreted it one way. Old Salt interpreted it the same way. That's what I based the entire thing on.

 

the point is. Everyone better start acting Fu king Civilized or s gonna dissappear.

 

Get it

 

This means everyone, not just wez, not just eddo, not just me, not just TJ or not just Brotherman.

 

EVERYONE.

 

GET THE FU CK OVER IT SO WE CAN HAVE CIVIL DEBATES.

[timesjoke]

Well, appears we agree on this point TJ... welcome to Liberal party...

 

Never called anyone a liberal?

 

More lies from the king of lies.

 

 

This is what IWS took up for you on. IWS claimed you meant to call me a liberatarian and I should not have "responded" to your comment with an attack.

 

I took your comment for what it was, calling me a liberal and "responded" in kind.

 

 

Now we know you did intend to call me a liberal with that comment so IWS was wrong in his assumption you made an innocent comment and he was also wrong about me making the first personal attack.

 

 

I am still waiting to see how he makes ammends for his mistake.

[ImWithStupid]

Never called anyone a liberal?

 

More lies from the king of lies.

 

 

This is what IWS took up for you on. IWS claimed you meant to call me a liberatarian and I should not have "responded" to your comment with an attack.

 

I took your comment for what it was, calling me a liberal and "responded" in kind.

 

 

Now we know you did intend to call me a liberal with that comment so IWS was wrong in his assumption you made an innocent comment and he was also wrong about me making the first personal attack.

 

 

I am still waiting to see how he makes ammends for his mistake.

 

I AM SORRY THAT I INTERPRETED WEZ' COMMENT AS BEING LIBERTARIAN INSTEAD OF LIBERAL.

 

DOES THAT EASE YOUR FRAGILE EGO SO WE CAN MOVE ON?

[timesjoke]

I AM SORRY THAT I INTERPRETED WEZ' COMMENT AS BEING LIBERTARIAN INSTEAD OF LIBERAL.

 

DOES THAT EASE YOUR FRAGILE EGO SO WE CAN MOVE ON?

 

Fragile ego?

 

Your the one who went off half ed, tore into me claiming I started the personal attacks when I did not start them.

 

Now your wanting to pretend you did not tear into me defending Wez who clearly did instigate the problem.

 

Wez did not need your protection and you directing unfair and wrong allegations against me made the situation worse, not better. Maybe you need to move on with this grudge you clearly have against me so you can see more clearly.

 

Wez is the well poisoner, blaming me for the excesses of Wez is not going to get us anywhere.

[wez]

I intended to move it to the Free for All Forum and it dissappeared. Don't know where it went. I've never hidden anything in my life.

 

 

 

I admitted on several occasions that I interpreted it one way. Old Salt interpreted it the same way. That's what I based the entire thing on.

 

the point is. Everyone better start acting Fu king Civilized or s gonna dissappear.

 

Get it

 

This means everyone, not just wez, not just eddo, not just me, not just TJ or not just Brotherman.

 

EVERYONE.

 

GET THE FU CK OVER IT SO WE CAN HAVE CIVIL DEBATES.

 

Anyone can say anything they want to me.. I'm not a victim.. Seems we're stuck on a little soldier issue from 6 months ago..

 

Soldiers are not mindless killers TJ, I was wrong.. they are young, immpressionable, kids who do what they're told for the most part. Can we move forward or do you need me to say something else?

[wez]

It appears the issue here is why you, TJ, can call me a liberal but I cannot call you one, even though I didn't call you one but you merely claim I did and cry a river to anyone who will listen for two days that I personally attacked you with my comment about welcome to the liberal party. Alls that says is you've intended your labeling of me as a liberal the past 6 months, a personal attack. Please explain...

[ImWithStupid]

Fragile ego?

 

Your the one who went off half ed, tore into me claiming I started the personal attacks when I did not start them.

 

Now your wanting to pretend you did not tear into me defending Wez who clearly did instigate the problem.

 

Wez did not need your protection and you directing unfair and wrong allegations against me made the situation worse, not better. Maybe you need to move on with this grudge you clearly have against me so you can see more clearly.

 

Wez is the well poisoner, blaming me for the excesses of Wez is not going to get us anywhere.

 

So you are claiming that wez insinuating you are liberal by your comments is equal to you saying that wez never knows what he is talking about.

 

Fine.

 

Wez, don't call TJ a liberal anymore ok.

 

TJ. I appologize for my attempts to stop the bickering, started with you.

 

Ok.

 

Now everyone go to a different part of the playground and play with different Tonka toys.

 

I sure wish there was another mod to just deal with TJ so that I don't always get accused of ganging up on him.

 

Christ, somtimes I think it would be easier dealing with a daycare.

[wez]

Fragile ego?

 

Your the one who went off half ed, tore into me claiming I started the personal attacks when I did not start them.

 

Now your wanting to pretend you did not tear into me defending Wez who clearly did instigate the problem.

 

Wez did not need your protection and you directing unfair and wrong allegations against me made the situation worse, not better. Maybe you need to move on with this grudge you clearly have against me so you can see more clearly.

 

Wez is the well poisoner, blaming me for the excesses of Wez is not going to get us anywhere.

 

Shattered ego...

 

Go cry in the mirror.. poisoner of what? Your fantasies?

[wez]

So you are claiming that wez insinuating you are liberal by your comments is equal to you saying that wez never knows what he is talking about.

 

Fine.

 

Wez, don't call TJ a liberal anymore ok.

 

TJ. I appologize for my attempts to stop the bickering, started with you.

 

Ok.

 

Now everyone go to a different part of the playground and play with different Tonka toys.

 

I sure wish there was another mod to just deal with TJ so that I don't always get accused of ganging up on him.

 

Christ, somtimes I think it would be easier dealing with a daycare.

 

Hahahahahaha.. I was just gonna ask him how old he was but didn't want to insult children..

[timesjoke]

So you are claiming that wez insinuating you are liberal by your comments is equal to you saying that wez never knows what he is talking about.

 

No, I am saying my comment would never have been made without Wez instigating it. I "responded" to him, this is my point.

 

 

Wez, don't call TJ a liberal anymore ok.

 

He can call me whatever he wants, but I will "reply".

 

TJ. I appologize for my attempts to stop the bickering, started with you.

 

Started with me?

 

Again you still cannot take responsibility for making a wrong "assumption"?

 

 

Now everyone go to a different part of the playground and play with different Tonka toys.

 

I just ask you to remember that while Wez was leaving me alone, there was not this kind of mess, Wez has started the same mess everywhere he goes.

 

I will never start wnything with Wez, just like this mess, I did not start it, but I will reply when attacked.

 

 

I sure wish there was another mod to just deal with TJ so that I don't always get accused of ganging up on him.

 

Christ, somtimes I think it would be easier dealing with a daycare.

 

It may be, children accept your authority without question, I don't.

 

You have a difficult job to do but it is you making it harder then it needs to be, not me.

 

You came out swinging at me, I defended myself and proved you wrong, now your sore at me.

 

If you had refrained from jumping to "wrong" conclusions, all of this with me would have been avoided.

 

 

So if your looking for the cause of your issue with me today, look in the mirror.

[wez]

Hey TJ.. is that how it works? You label me a liberal and then spout off about liberal this and liberal that in every other post you make in every debate and attach every bad human characteristic to it so you can create reality for someone other than yourself, and cry when it blows up in your face time and time again? Now I see why you want to distance yourself from the reality you seem determined to create for me.. Slick.. Learn that in the army?

 

Did you ever get public assistance when your ex wife bailed?

[ImWithStupid]

Again you still cannot take responsibility for making a wrong "assumption"?

 

This is what you are unable to get passed. I'm not going to appologize for a wrong assumption, when I didn't assume anything. What I was responding to was an interpretation. I didn't assume anything. I interpreted it a certain way. The funny thing is Old Salt, who I know from another forum interpreted it the same way. Should he appologize too.

 

(TJ replies: No, because he isn't a mod and isn't threatening me.) Just getting ahead of the game.

 

Should every Judge appologize for an incorrect interpretation when their interpretation is overturned in a higher court?

 

Should a ref on a football field appologize over the mike if the booth overturns the call on the field?

 

Interpretation is a subjective thing. I, along with other's interpreted it one way, you along with others interpreted it another. Only wez knows the truth.

 

The thing is get past it already. Move on. Go back to civil debates. I could give a rats ass.

 

<once again, note to self, not only can you not joke with TJ, you have to try to get a thread back on track with anyone except TJ>

 

Great, Got It. Move the Fu K on!

[timesjoke]

Hey TJ.. is that how it works? You label me a liberal and then spout off about liberal this and liberal that in every other post you make in every debate and attach every bad human characteristic to it so you can create reality for someone other than yourself, and cry when it blows up in your face time and time again? Now I see why you want to distance yourself from the reality you seem determined to create for me.. Slick.. Learn that in the army?

 

Did you ever get public assistance when your ex wife bailed?

 

More personal attacks I see, and getting inventive too. Is this how you live your life Wez? Always trying to tear people down that don't agree with you?

 

Does it fill some inner need you have to try and imagine good people in bad ways to make you feel better about your failed life?

 

Can't rise up yourself so bring down others?

 

 

Yes, I call you a liberal, and even your test shows your a liberal. Your possitions on this forum are those of a liberal.

 

If you see that as an insult, I'm sorry, maybe you should give that some thought and wonder why your ashamed to be called what you represent.

[wez]

No, I am saying my comment would never have been made without Wez instigating it. I "responded" to him, this is my point.

 

 

Your point, not mine.. my point was ..hey TJ, look, we agree..

[wez]

More personal attacks I see, and getting inventive too. Is this how you live your life Wez? Always trying to tear people down that don't agree with you?

 

Does it fill some inner need you have to try and imagine good people in bad ways to make you feel better about your failed life?

 

Can't rise up yourself so bring down others?

 

 

Yes, I call you a liberal, and even your test shows your a liberal. Your possitions on this forum are those of a liberal.

 

If you see that as an insult, I'm sorry, maybe you should give that some thought and wonder why your ashamed to be called what you represent.

 

 

Did you? I'm not trying to tear you down, I asked you a question..

 

I don't see it as an insult, you intend it as an insult, and see it as an insult. Not me. I'm sorry, I don't see it as such.. If I figure out some way for you to insult me where I also see it as an insult, I'll let you know..

 

I thought you said it's all about the intention?

[timesjoke]

Your point, not mine.. my point was ..hey TJ, look, we agree..

 

Look Wez, I will try again.

 

Yes, you have great points sometimes but you ruin them by wrapping them in dog crap.

 

 

You start out your comment with something that looks like agreeing with me then ruin it with an attack on me. It is all a part of the other. It is like starting to give someone flowers just to end up slaping them in the face with the same flowers.

 

 

If you want peace, so do I. Out of the two of us only I have tried to compliment some of your points and tried to explain where I have issues with you. I am very open to trying to get past the garbage but this has to be a two way street.

[wez]

Look Wez, I will try again.

 

Yes, you have great points sometimes but you ruin them by wrapping them in dog crap.

 

 

You start out your comment with something that looks like agreeing with me then ruin it with an attack on me. It is all a part of the other. It is like starting to give someone flowers just to end up slaping them in the face with the same flowers.

 

 

If you want peace, so do I. Out of the two of us only I have tried to compliment some of your points and tried to explain where I have issues with you. I am very open to trying to get past the garbage but this has to be a two way street.

 

Thanks for your input.. I know what I meant.. You flew off the handle.. I agreed with you for craps sake and look what you've done the last two days.

 

Don't take anything I say so personally.. Your reaction tells your intentions for me, not mine for you.. Two way street and no double standards whined into reality and I'll be fine.. And for God's sake, give IWS a break.. his patience has been commendable..

 

I don't want you banned TJ.. you make me laugh... I think I lost 4 pound today.. my side hurts.

[eddo]

Hey TJ.. is that how it works? You label me a liberal..

 

Serious question here wez:

What exactly is so bad about being called a "liberal" if most of your political views do indeed line up with liberals?

 

 

I just ask you to remember that while Wez was leaving me alone, there was not this kind of mess, Wez has started the same mess everywhere he goes.

 

Extraordinarily accurate point.